Jason Peters

[c_hawkbob]

At least we're not sitting on our hands.

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Still going: Nine-time Pro Bowl OT Jason Peters is expected to sign with the #Seahawks practice squad, per source.

At age 42, Peters begins his 21st NFL season and second with Seattle, where he appeared in eight games (two starts) in 2023.

[Aseahawkfan]

Pretty desperate. He was great for years though.

[4XPIPS]

I have no problem with it, and if this move can help us why not. Also, having veteran experience who has won a SB isn't a bad thing to a a developing offensive line. He will probably be used on a pitch count vs taking bunch of snaps.

[NorthHawk]

There are no Guards of any note available unfortunately as that’s also a weakness, but shoring up RT can’t hurt.

[4XPIPS]

There are no Guards of any note available unfortunately as that’s also a weakness, but shoring up RT can’t hurt.

Stone isn't that bad, nor has he been setting the world on fire. He did get beat by Aidan, but who hasn't as Aidan's spin move is hard to block. I would imagine Stone remains the starter, and Peters would come in as the extra "eligible T" on certain plays. I think as time has progressed Stone has gotten a little better week after week.

[Irish Greg 2.0]

There are no Guards of any note available unfortunately as that’s also a weakness, but shoring up RT can’t hurt.

I just wish they had all off-season to properly address the guard position...

OH WAIT

It pisses me off that Schneider doesn't value guards, and it really pisses me off he has openly expressed as much.

That said, the line looked pretty good vs the Lions. It would be awesome to get Abe Lucas back and maybe trade for a guy like Brandon Scherff to play next to him.

[River Dog]

There are no Guards of any note available unfortunately as that’s also a weakness, but shoring up RT can’t hurt.

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just wish they had all off-season to properly address the guard position...

OH WAIT

It pisses me off that Schneider doesn't value guards, and it really pisses me off he has openly expressed as much.

That said, the line looked pretty good vs the Lions. It would be awesome to get Abe Lucas back and maybe trade for a guy like Brandon Scherff to play next to him.

Agreed. I get the impression that Schneider considers the guard position as just a safety net for busted tackles.

[Irish Greg 2.0]

Yep, he has literally said he won't spend money on top guards because he doesn't think the value aligns with the price.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

You can't have top tackles, top guards, and a top center all at the same time. Which offensive line spot are y'all going to be comfortable with not being "top"?

[Aseahawkfan]

I still think money spent on at least one good guard is often worth it. I can't imagine spending big on a pair of guards, but one high quality guard and tackle let's you spend a bit less on the other parts of the line as you can shade your TEs or blocking towards your weak spots with a somewhat lesser player. I guess if I could get two good tackles, I would probably want that over guards if I had to make a budget choice. Bad guards have difficulty handling players like Aaron Donald which can really disrupt your offense when those guys come through into disrupting the middle and crushing the pocket.

[NorthHawk]

There also has to be continuity from year to year.
When was the last time we didn't have 3 changes on the OL from one year to the next? And the revolving door at Center, but that might be fixed if they re-sign Williams. I don't have much faith that they will though if he has a good year and wants starting Center money.

[4XPIPS]

There also has to be continuity from year to year.
When was the last time we didn't have 3 changes on the OL from one year to the next? And the revolving door at Center, but that might be fixed if they re-sign Williams. I don't have much faith that they will though if he has a good year and wants starting Center money.

I think it's possible they will resign Williams to a 3 year deal. Also, Charles Cross and Spoon are going to want to get big extensions after next season. We only have 2 years(this season and the next) on their rookie contracts to utilize our cap space and make a run for it before they want to cash in. There is a sizeable amount of dead money that clears the books after this season from Quadre Diggs, and Jamal Adams. This will free up room to extend to Geno and hopefully build this offensive line.

[River Dog]

There also has to be continuity from year to year.
When was the last time we didn't have 3 changes on the OL from one year to the next? And the revolving door at Center, but that might be fixed if they re-sign Williams. I don't have much faith that they will though if he has a good year and wants starting Center money.

I think it's possible they will resign Williams to a 3 year deal. Also, Charles Cross and Spoon are going to want to get big extensions after next season. We only have 2 years(this season and the next) on their rookie contracts to utilize our cap space and make a run for it before they want to cash in. There is a sizeable amount of dead money that clears the books after this season from Quadre Diggs, and Jamal Adams. This will free up room to extend to Geno and hopefully build this offensive line.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Witherspoon is only in his 2nd year of a rookie contract and cannot sign an extension until after his 3rd year, ie 2026.

I suppose that we could extend Cross after the end of this season, but we'd be fools if we did. He still has one year left on his rookie contract plus a 5th year option we could pick up if he proves worthy of it. And as of today, we have never picked up a 5th year option on any of our #1 draft picks since the clause was inserted into the CBA, the only team in the league not to have done so.

[Stream Hawk]

Not to go there, but the biggest failed OG decision in franchise history was the Hutch one. Notably Hutchinson was a big Haynes advocate this draft.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Not quite the same. That decision wasn't rooted in not wanting to or not being able pay top dollar for Hutchinson. Whether or not they should have known the transition tag would leave them open to being screwed is a different matter.

[c_hawkbob]

Not quite the same. That decision wasn't rooted in not wanting to or not being able pay top dollar for Hutchinson. Whether or not they should have known the transition tag would leave them open to being screwed is a different matter.

It was absolutely rooted in not wanting to pay him top dollar! That's why the T-tag instead of the F-tag in the first place.

[River Dog]

Not quite the same. That decision wasn't rooted in not wanting to or not being able pay top dollar for Hutchinson. Whether or not they should have known the transition tag would leave them open to being screwed is a different matter.

It was absolutely rooted in not wanting to pay him top dollar! That's why the T-tag instead of the F-tag in the first place.

I agree with Cbob. Ruskell got caught trying to save a few bucks. The plan was to let Hutch test the market and that the Hawks would match any reasonable offer and that they'd likely come in under what the FT would cost. I can't lay all the blame on TR, though, as it was a bit underhanded of Hutch and/or his agent with that whole stinker clause about having to be highest paid OL on the team when they knew damn good and well that with Walter Jones getting paid top dollar for OT's, that they couldn't afford to pay Hutch what would have been a hugely overpaid price for an OG.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

That doesn’t mean they didn’t value him or didn’t want to pay top dollar. Using the transition tag versus the franchise tag doesn’t make that statement untrue. They weren’t stupid. They knew he’d be expensive. The poison pill is what did them in; the NFL banned it after this and the Burleson contract. Testing the market would have worked just fine had the poison pill not been a thing.

The main point is, the Hutchinson debacle isn’t an example of the Seahawks FO not being willing to pay for guards.

No, I’m not using the words “top dollar” to mean the absolute highest paid at the position. I don’t know if the Seahawks could have swung a 7 year 49 million dollar contact for Hutchinson. What they couldn’t afford was 49 million guaranteed, which is what the poison pill did to them.

[c_hawkbob]

He was the best guard in the league (one of the greatest ever!) and they lost him trying to go cheap. The worst part is that Timmy did it while Holmgren was on vacation (and Holmes was furious!). Saving a few bucks is exactly why Ruskell did it, thought he could get cute and game the system and it bit him in the arse, ruined his legacy to boot.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

If he did it knowing a poison pill would/could get him, I’d have more outrage. Holmgren did say that it was decided they’d franchise him; that’s something I didn’t know and troubling to find out about. Hindsight says it wasn’t worth TT over FT, but should they have anticipated getting screwed? I also read that they had a week to try and rework Walt’s deal to try and get the poison pill to work but ran out of time.

Regardless, they wanted him and would have paid him well, which is what this FO is currently avoiding when it comes to guards.

I’ll add that the Jamal Adams debacle hasn’t helped the situation. You can’t sign a guy like Damien Lewis to new deal when $20 something million is going to a safety who isn’t on your team any more.

[4XPIPS]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Witherspoon is only in his 2nd year of a rookie contract and cannot sign an extension until after his 3rd year, ie 2026.

I suppose that we could extend Cross after the end of this season, but we'd be fools if we did. He still has one year left on his rookie contract plus a 5th year option we could pick up if he proves worthy of it. And as of today, we have never picked up a 5th year option on any of our #1 draft picks since the clause was inserted into the CBA, the only team in the league not to have done so.

You are correct Spoon came out the year after Cross, my mistake. Considering Brandon Aiyuk held out on his 4th of his rookie contract, I think it now opens the doors for a lot of first rounders that have been performing well to hold their franchise's hostage and get an early extension. I don't see that being an issue with Cross, and later down the road for Spoon it may be. However, we have a good chance to maybe spark a trade this season or possibly sign some talent next FA. This window we have with Geno is good for this season and the next two, before we have to start it all over with a new QB. I don't know the longevity of Geno's career as he hasn't had a lot of wear and tear for many years, but thinking he will play to 37 to 39 years old maybe asking a bit.

[River Dog]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Witherspoon is only in his 2nd year of a rookie contract and cannot sign an extension until after his 3rd year, ie 2026.

I suppose that we could extend Cross after the end of this season, but we'd be fools if we did. He still has one year left on his rookie contract plus a 5th year option we could pick up if he proves worthy of it. And as of today, we have never picked up a 5th year option on any of our #1 draft picks since the clause was inserted into the CBA, the only team in the league not to have done so.

You are correct Spoon came out the year after Cross, my mistake. Considering Brandon Aiyuk held out on his 4th of his rookie contract, I think it now opens the doors for a lot of first rounders that have been performing well to hold their franchise's hostage and get an early extension. I don't see that being an issue with Cross, and later down the road for Spoon it may be. However, we have a good chance to maybe spark a trade this season or possibly sign some talent next FA. This window we have with Geno is good for this season and the next two, before we have to start it all over with a new QB. I don't know the longevity of Geno's career as he hasn't had a lot of wear and tear for many years, but thinking he will play to 37 to 39 years old maybe asking a bit.

It's still premature to be talking about extensions for both Cross and Spoon. Cross has only just started to live up to his top 10 billing this season. His first two years were a bit of a disappointment. And as I said, JS has never picked up a 5th year option on any of his draft picks, so it's hard to imagine him extending one before their rookie contract is up.

As far as Geno goes, we'll see. FYI after this season, he has one more year left before he's a free agent in 2026.