Lynch will hold out of camp according to Mike Rob per NFL

[4XPIPS]

It's has been calculated already between fines and the ability for the FO to reclaim salary bonuses(signing bonus) that if Lynch decides to hold for at least 10 consecutive days, it could add up to $1 mil. All things consider he bluffed, and it won't work. FO won't cut or trade him. He will be back by mid next week. He got bad information from his Agent after what happened in KC. The difference between KC and the Hawks is we had a back up plan already in place, and KC has nothing. J Charles knew that, and used it to his advantage. Sry Beast Mode stick to Football, your Poker Game didn't work.

Sure would like to see a link to that ...

sry I should have sourced it for you, however I heard it when John Clayton was on talk radio. He also mentioned it on espn.com, on one of their videos where he talks about Lynch, and his prediction to return by Tuesday. I wouldn't think John Clayton would be incorrect in his data or insight. I also said it "could" add up to close to a 1 mil by day 10 if he decides to hold out that long. I also read other articles and formulated my own opinion. However below is a link to the transcript of what Clayton said on NFL Live about Lynch's potential $1 mil loss by day 10.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/football/nfl_n ... ws_id=7639

[Bird Droppings]

Well, I'm almost ready to put a beer on the line by saying he will be on the field in a week or less ... but, I'm not saying he will necessarily practice right away.

And, while I mainain there will be at least slight changes in his contract, I'm not positive it will be front money, but rather performance based ... that saves face for both sides .... and I wouldn't bet 2015 wasn't somehow in the ongoing "discussions".

As to Tawkhawker asserting the team "has every right to cut them" if their performance is not up to some non-stated level, which, I don't know how you would measure in anyone not in a skill position, I would like to point out that the finger should be pointed at the union, who looked for other issues to "win" in the last collective bargaining contract.

I'm sure team owners in baseball and basketball would love the freedom of goodbyes controlled by the NFL bosses.

Would baseball and basketball be better off if they had this "leverage"? I don't know, but I know the team owners would be better off.

Finally, if Harbaugh could ever figure out how to use LaMichael James and getting him to perform at his max the concerns about Gore and his backup.

Fortunately for the Hawks and others, Harbaugh seems to have absoluely no clue how to do that.

....and Lynch has leverage just being himself ... that's pretty impressive.

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[4XPIPS]

So with all that being said, if it's going to cost Lynch upwards of a $1 mil to hold out around 10 days or so..... he really doesn't have much to leverage with. And if he continues to hold out longer than 10 days, why give up a 5th to a 4thof you annual earnings in such a short time. He better show up!

[c_hawkbob]

It's has been calculated already between fines and the ability for the FO to reclaim salary bonuses(signing bonus) that if Lynch decides to hold for at least 10 consecutive days, it could add up to $1 mil. All things consider he bluffed, and it won't work. FO won't cut or trade him. He will be back by mid next week. He got bad information from his Agent after what happened in KC. The difference between KC and the Hawks is we had a back up plan already in place, and KC has nothing. J Charles knew that, and used it to his advantage. Sry Beast Mode stick to Football, your Poker Game didn't work.

Sure would like to see a link to that ...

sry I should have sourced it for you, however I heard it when John Clayton was on talk radio. He also mentioned it on espn.com, on one of their videos where he talks about Lynch, and his prediction to return by Tuesday. I wouldn't think John Clayton would be incorrect in his data or insight. I also said it "could" add up to close to a 1 mil by day 10 if he decides to hold out that long. I also read other articles and formulated my own opinion. However below is a link to the transcript of what Clayton said on NFL Live about Lynch's potential $1 mil loss by day 10.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/football/nfl_n ... ws_id=7639

Thanks, that's a good link, FF or not ... it's the games that actually make the difference i guess. Makes sense when you think about the fact that the players are played per game and that preseason games are the same as regular season in that calculation.

[4XPIPS]

Thanks, that's a good link, FF or not ... it's the games that actually make the difference i guess. Makes sense when you think about the fact that the players are played per game and that preseason games are the same as regular season in that calculation.

Oh here it is... this is the video of John Clayton. This video he mentions upwards to a $1 mil by day 10 or so.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11267320

[Seahawks4Ever]

John Clayton has been wrong before and he will be wrong again, he could also be wrong about Tuesday too.

This is MY GUESS as to what went down in the last week or so.

The thinking was that Lynch was worried about being cut after the season so the simple fix would be for Schneider to fully guarantee his contract for next year. Then, if Marshawn had a season much like his last 3 that J.S. would then sit down with Lynch's agent and then redo his contract, that way the F/O could honestly say that they didn't renegotiate his contract until there was 1 season left.

Two things then happened, the first was Bevell saying that it was going to be a Running back by committee and the second was the Chiefs giving Charles a new more lucrative contract.

Lynch feels that Schneider wasn't being honest with him about the Seahawks wanting him after next year and feels that by cutting down his carries it will cut down his production and that the Seahawks will use that as an excuse to low ball him in any future contract negotiations. Lynch points to Charles new contract and to all of the talk about how the Hawks don't even play in the Super Bowl let alone win it if he is not on the team as reasons to give him a big bump up in salary.

The Seahawks were also very disappointed that Marshawn decided to basically negotiate in the press by calling up Mike Rob. and having Mike tells his side on national T.V.. Lynch feels that the Seahawks started negotiating in the press first when Bevell made the running back by committee quip.

So, here we are, mistrust on both sides because of a lack of communication on both sides.

John Schneider asked Lynch, how am I supposed to get around the hard salary cap? Are we supposed to ask 3-4 other players to rewrite their contracts just to give you more money this year? And Lynch responded, "you got to do what you got to do Boss".

[4XPIPS]

John Clayton has been wrong before and he will be wrong again, he could also be wrong about Tuesday too.

This is MY GUESS as to what went down in the last week or so.

The thinking was that Lynch was worried about being cut after the season so the simple fix would be for Schneider to fully guarantee his contract for next year. Then, if Marshawn had a season much like his last 3 that J.S. would then sit down with Lynch's agent and then redo his contract, that way the F/O could honestly say that they didn't renegotiate his contract until there was 1 season left.

Two things then happened, the first was Bevell saying that it was going to be a Running back by committee and the second was the Chiefs giving Charles a new more lucrative contract.

Lynch feels that Schneider wasn't being honest with him about the Seahawks wanting him after next year and feels that by cutting down his carries it will cut down his production and that the Seahawks will use that as an excuse to low ball him in any future contract negotiations. Lynch points to Charles new contract and to all of the talk about how the Hawks don't even play in the Super Bowl let alone win it if he is not on the team as reasons to give him a big bump up in salary.

The Seahawks were also very disappointed that Marshawn decided to basically negotiate in the press by calling up Mike Rob. and having Mike tells his side on national T.V.. Lynch feels that the Seahawks started negotiating in the press first when Bevell made the running back by committee quip.

So, here we are, mistrust on both sides because of a lack of communication on both sides.

John Schneider asked Lynch, how am I supposed to get around the hard salary cap? Are we supposed to ask 3-4 other players to rewrite their contracts just to give you more money this year? And Lynch responded, "you got to do what you got to do Boss".

Hey may be wrong about whether he comes back to Camp... however the $$ side of things isn't wrong. This will cost Lynch some serious cash if he continues to hold out.. black and white

[Seahawks4Ever]

I know JC is not wrong about the numbers, the hold out has the potential of costing Lynch a boat load of money. But that won't matter if the F/O can come to an agreement with Lynch that makes both sides happy.

I am sure John and Pete have known for quite awhile that Marshawn wanted an "adjustment" in his contract. I am convinced that Schneider has already tried the EZ contract tweeks and all of them have been turned down by Lynch and his agent.

What Lynch and his agent are demanding must involve serious pressure on the salary cap because other wise they would have been a deal before camp opened. There was no reason to turn Lynch down for an easy "tweek" or money shift just to teach Marshawn a lesson or to send a message to other players. One thing Pete would be loathe to do would be to mess with the great chemistry he has built over 4 seasons just to "send a message".

No, I think that what Lynch is demanding would force the team to either rework the contracts of some current players or severely alter what they had planned on offering Russell, Wagner, Wright , and quite possibly Carpenter and Irvin. I mean, what if Carpenter has that break out season we had been hoping he would have and the team has to offer him a lot more money than they had been figuring? Or, Bruce Irvin (that may not happen since he is healing slower than expected)? What if Big Bruce becomes the next Justin Tuck that many had projected him to be and therefore commands a bigger salary than expected? Already it appeared that Schneider would have to get really creative when it came to compensating Russell Wilson who is the biggest bargain in the NFL.

If rewriting Marshawn Lynch's contract puts a pinch on resigning those players I mentioned and/or exploding the salary cap then I can see why the team would be forced to take a hard line with him which could very well be why the F/O couldn't get this thing done before the start of T.C.