Annual All Time Hawk Team Question

[Hawk Sista]

So, about once a year we build ultimate hawk team using using players from Seahawk past (& present). This year I was scribbling out the entire 53 + owner, GM, HC, DC & OCT and was nearly done when I inadvertently erased it from my iPhone notes - it flat out disappeared! Before I take the time to rebuild it, I'd like to know if there is even any interest from ya'll to participate in such an activity.

If not, say so. My skin is thick (if y'aint named future). I can also swallow someone suggesting a different format.

Thoughts?

[Zorn76]

Post it.
We'll chime in

[c_hawkbob]

I'm in. how you wanna go about it? assign me a position or wpuld you rather I put up a whole list to compare to yours?

[RiverDog]

It's difficult to compare players from different eras. For example, I wonder how well Largent would have done as a WR nowadays. He surely wouldn't be a #1 like a Calvin Johnson or Dez Bryant and I can't see him doing real well running all those little bubble screens and quick hitches they run nowadays as he wasn't an explosive or elusive runner. His role would be a bit limited in today's game.

Easley would probably play in place of Kam as he was almost as good a hitter and a better cover safety. I can't see taking Earl out. Ideally, you would want to move one of those guys, probably Easley, to cornerback, and get them all on the field at the same time, but moving Easley to cornerback takes away his biggest asset, which was his nose as to where the play was going. It's hard to do that when you have immediate cover responsibilities at cornerback. Tez would hold down one DT, Joe Nash the other, Jacob Green one of the DE slots, Bobby Wagner would play Mike. Dave Brown would be my 4th DB, with apologies to Marcus Trufant. I'll let someone else fill in the OLB's, the only name from the past I can think of is Keith Butler, and I don't think any of our current OLB's are worthy of an all Seahawk designation.

The OL is probably easier, with Walt and Hutch holding down the left side. Tobeck would be my center and Bryan Millard my right guard. I'd need to think about RT and TE. I'm leaning towards Zach Miller as TE, but I need someone to jog my memory as I know we had some pretty decent TE's (Cristain Fauria?) Mack Strong would be my FG and Beast is most certainly on everyone's team as the RB, and of course, Russell would be my QB.

[NorthHawk]

I think KJ wright is underrated and one our best LBs ever. He can do it all - cover RBs or TEs and rarely misses a tackle.

Do we include players who played here at the end of their careers like Moon and include how they played with other teams, or only players that played their best while with us?

[HumanCockroach]

Have to disagree with Tobeck, for my money Blair Bush is , was and always will be the greatest Hawk center. Tobeck played awesome, but was a short term Hawk, might as well add in Mawae if that's the route being taken. The right side of the line is a serious question mark. Mattes? Maybe a LT moved right?? House Ballard? Hard to even remember them. OLB is a mystery too, as there are several that were good for a short time ( Rufus? Young? Jackson? Simmons? Hill? Etc) Interior you have another glut of some guys that were truly "good" but not dominant, or at least in Seattle. I like Tez and Nash, but how about Sam Adams? Mebane? Benard as a pass rush specialist???...

Ultimately, every position could be fulled with exceptional guys, and as much as I love Chancellor, there is no way IMHO someone could place him above Kenny at this point, simply none. Maybe after a few more years, but at this point? Nah. How about Eugene?? He has to find a spot as a back up safety somewhere..... WR?? Galloway?? I guess, but finding five or so is next to impossible. TE is also a "thin" position, Stevens? Fauria? Tice? I mean the options are pretty sparse...

Ultimately, no one will agree on all or even most positions, and depending on when people started watching some truely exceptional players ( like Nash, Butler, Eugene, Brown, Warner etc) could very well not even be considered a top two or three player at this point.

DE is also a spot I could see some exceptional players getting lost in the shuffle....

[NorthHawk]

How about Chad Brown at OLB?
He played here 7 yrs.

[HumanCockroach]

Brown certainly could be one of them. How about Peterson? He was here 4 years, and certainly was an excellent OLB during his time here.

[RiverDog]

Have to disagree with Tobeck, for my money Blair Bush is , was and always will be the greatest Hawk center. Tobeck played awesome, but was a short term Hawk, might as well add in Mawae if that's the route being taken. The right side of the line is a serious question mark. Mattes? Maybe a LT moved right?? House Ballard? Hard to even remember them. OLB is a mystery too, as there are several that were good for a short time ( Rufus? Young? Jackson? Simmons? Hill? Etc) Interior you have another glut of some guys that were truly "good" but not dominant, or at least in Seattle. I like Tez and Nash, but how about Sam Adams? Mebane? Benard as a pass rush specialist???...

Ultimately, every position could be fulled with exceptional guys, and as much as I love Chancellor, there is no way IMHO someone could place him above Kenny at this point, simply none. Maybe after a few more years, but at this point? Nah. How about Eugene?? He has to find a spot as a back up safety somewhere..... WR?? Galloway?? I guess, but finding five or so is next to impossible. TE is also a "thin" position, Stevens? Fauria? Tice? I mean the options are pretty sparse...

Ultimately, no one will agree on all or even most positions, and depending on when people started watching some truely exceptional players ( like Nash, Butler, Eugene, Brown, Warner etc) could very well not even be considered a top two or three player at this point.

DE is also a spot I could see some exceptional players getting lost in the shuffle....

Wasn't Blair Bush's best years with Cincy? Honest question, it's been that long ago.

[c_hawkbob]

For now I'll do offense:

WR

1)Steve Largent
2) Joey Gallaoway
3)Brian Blades
4)Bobby Engram
5) Alex Bannister

TE
1) John Carlson
2) Mike Tice
3) Itula Mili

OT

1) Walter Jones
2) House Ballard
3) Ron Essink

OG

1) Steve Hutchinson
2) Edwin Baily
3) Brian Millard
4) Chris Gray

C

1) Robbie Tobeck (Tobeck was a Hawk longer than Blair Bush was and a better Center)
2) Max Unger

QB

1) Russell Wilson
2) Matt Hasselbeck
3) Jim zorn

RB

1) Marshawn Lynch
2) Shaun Alexander
3) Curt Warner

FB

1) Mack Strong
2) John L. Williams.

[HumanCockroach]

http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXBXXBushBl20.htm&t=0


http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXTXXTobeRo55.htm&t=0

Certainly the bulk of Bush's prime was spent in Seattle. I disagree with Tobeck being the better of the two. While Tobeck spent 7 years in Seattle, one he didn't play.

Bush was the standard at center for a long, long time in the NFL. Like I said, agreements will be hard to come by in almost every position group.

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2011/8/13/230 ... -potential

Like I said, whole lot of players forgotten, dismissed, or simply undervalued. IMHO Bannister belongs nowhere near an "all time" Seahawks list. John L Williams was five times the FB Mack was ( though I loved Mack Strong with a passion).

It's ultimately all subjective, and I understand that, just saying that to me the thought that Tobeck and Unger trump Bush is crazy.

[c_hawkbob]

http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXBXXBushBl20.htm&t=0


http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXTXXTobeRo55.htm&t=0

Certainly the bulk of Bush's prime was spent in Seattle. I disagree with Tobeck being the better of the two. While Tobeck spent 7 years in Seattle, one he didn't play.

Bush was the standard at center for a long, long time in the NFL. Like I said, agreements will be hard to come by in almost every position group.

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2011/8/13/230 ... -potential

That FG article was comparing two running offenses; Knox's teams vs the current team. Tobeck was the Center for a pass oriented offense and was not a part of that discussion.

And look more closely at the numbers:

Bush started 80 games in 6 years for the Seahawks. Was a Seahawk for 6 of his 17 years in the league, barely more than a third of his career.

Tobeck started 88 games in 7 years in Seattle and was a Seahawk for 7 of his 13 years in the league, more than half of his career. He was more a Seahawks and he was a better Center.

[HumanCockroach]

Like I said Bob, subjective, and IMO Tobeck was NOT the better center, and really rode the coattails of Hutch and Jones to a single pro bowl. There is lots to look at, the article was actually comparing Unger and Bush ( two run dominant teams) and while people insist Tobeck played in a pass dominant offense, that is indeed a misnomer, at least at the height of their success, Alexander was the bell cow during the height of Tobecks career not Hasselbeck, or the passing game ( at least in the thought process of a 40 or 50 pass a game thought) Seattle ran the ball almost 50% of the time with Alexander at his height, doesn't sound much like a pass happy offense to me.

[Hawk Sista]

You raise good questions, RD. The game has changed so one must take era into account. Also, each rater can determine their own rules. I, for example, won't pick Franco Harris, Jerry Rice & Warren Moon but someone else can.

Forgive me if I get past 53.... & I know I will overlook some obvious choices.


QB
Russell Wilson
Matt Hass

RB
Beast Mode
SA
the real Curt Warner

FB
Mack Strong
John L Williams

TE
Christian Fauria
Zach Miller
Itula Mili

Tackle
My boyfriend Walter Jones
Ballard
Locklear

Guard
Huck Futch
Millard
Need another two OL-man. Not sure who to pick.... Maybe Gray & Bush? We're they versatile?

Center
If Max stayed as healthy as Robbie did, I might take him, but he isn't. So
Robbie 1A
Max 1B

WR
Steve Largent
Joey Galloway
Bobby Engram
Brian Blades
Darrel Jackson (bias admitted - I considered Paul skansi here because he made so effin many CLUTCH catches)
(I realize there's a lot to pick apart w/ my receivers, but can you imagine having these guys (in their prime) on the team? Shhhhhhiiiit!) my kick return specialist can play RB/WR too

DEs
Jacob Green
Michael Sinclair
Jeff Bryant
Chris Clemmons (heart choice - this would be a nice rotation)

DTs
Tez
Nash
Mebane
Bernard
Adams

LBs
Bobby
Tutupu
Rufus
Fred young
KJ
Chad brown

Safeties
Earl Thomas
Kenny Easley
Kam Chancellor
Eugene Robinson

CBs
Richard Sherman
Dave Brown
Shawn Springs
Marcus Trufant

Long Snapper
Me

Kicker
Norm Johnson (though Haushka may over take him)

Punter
Rick Tuten (though Ryan may over take him)

ST specialist
Big play Babs

Returners
KR Leon Washington
PR Charlie Rogers

Give me the current ownership & leadership. The Lombardi helps (as do these recent week wins). All due respect to Mr. Nordstrom and the walrus (still thank them both for all they did. Holmgren made us relevant for a decade & won us out 1st SB in 05

[Hawk Sista]

It's all subjective, that's what makes it FUN.

BTW - the 53 member team format was supposed to kinda align w/ how we staff our team. I elected to take RW & Matt (leaving Zorn & Mudbone off my squad ) someone else could take 4 QBs & fewer backup O-line, for example, instead. It's just meant to start a discussion.

There are loads of good players left off my list. Like Chris warren, Jon Ryan, Hauschka, Mudbone, (I toyed w/ joe jurevicious for his big plays)... Then there's tate n havin too.

Have fun; there are no wrong answers. Taking Warren Moon as the #1 QB, by way of example, isn't FB dumbest thing in the world.

Maybe we can do an all team just for favorites people, not players. Like I Loved Krieg & Zorn but would not draft them before DangerRuss or Matt. Also LOVED joe, ADB, Ricky etc. It also might be fun to do the opposite - hint, Curry, Mirer, Percy, McGuire , Bosworth might be on the latter.

[RiverDog]

Sis;

Hauschka is one of the the most accurate kicker in the entire history of the NFL. Last year, he made 14 of 15 from 40+, which included an overtime win on the road in Houston last season. Plus his kickoffs are deeper than I recall Norm's having been. Norm Johnson had the advantage of kicking in a dome whereas most of Hauschka's kicking is done outdoors at sea level and many times on cold, damp days when the ball doesn't carry well. In terms of both accuracy and leg strength, I can't see anyone on past rosters that would top Hauschka, including Johnson, Josh Brown, Efren Herrera, etc.

Also disagree with punt returner. Bobby Edmonds and Golden Tate, take your pick.

I'd place DJack way, way down at WR. He dropped far too many passes, almost all of which were followed immediately by a punt. I'd put any of a dozen WR's ahead of him, even Steve Raible.

[HumanCockroach]

I agree with Haushka but a strong case could be made for Brown and his clutch kicks, Norm spent a lot of time kicking in a dome in Seattle, but after he left, he certainly didn't seem to have to many difficulties kicking in Pittsburgh for an extended period of time.

http://www.nfl.com/player/normjohnson/2 ... areerstats

[HumanCockroach]

Starters in BOLD:

QB

Wilson
Hasselbeck
Krieg

RB

Lynch
Alexander
Warner

FB
John L Williams
Mack Strong

WR

Largent
Galloway
Engrahm
Blades
Skansi or Jackson ( best five receivers, love him or hate him, he belongs here based on production)

TE

Miller
Fauria

OT

Jones
Ballard
Essink


OG

Mattes
Hutch


OL utility

Pork Chop Womack

Center

Blair Bush
Robbie Tobeck

LS

Blair Bush

SS

Easley
Chancellor

FS

Thomas
Robinson

CB

Sherman
Brown
Springs
Browner

OLB

Brown
Peterson
Hill
Young
Porter

ILB

Wagner
Tatupu
Schultz
Butler

DE

Green
Sinclair
Bryant
Clemmons
McCrary


DT

Tez
Nash
Mebane
Benard
Adams

P

Tuten

K

Johnson

ST

Young

KR

Galloway/ Washington

PR

Bobby Joe Edmonds/ Tate

[Hawk Sista]

Riv - I think you may have forgotten that they moved the kickoffs so it would stand to reason that Haushka's would be deeper. Still - Haushka is close to taking over Johnson & an argument could be made for both him & Ryan.

Still.... I admitted up front that I have my own goggles on. I think football wise, John L may have been superior to Mack, but the latter is one of my favorite Hawks ever - hence his place atop the list of fullbacks. Tate's recent comments about us needing him got him bounced off my list - at least for now. I did include Futch, so time heals, I guess.

[Hawk Sista]

Good list HC. I didn't remember that Bush was the LS too. He can stay in my list.

[c_hawkbob]

For now I'll do offense:

WR

1)Steve Largent
2) Joey Gallaoway
3)Brian Blades
4)Bobby Engram
5) Alex Bannister

TE
1) John Carlson
2) Mike Tice
3) Itula Mili

OT

1) Walter Jones
2) House Ballard
3) Ron Essink

OG

1) Steve Hutchinson
2) Edwin Baily
3) Brian Millard
4) Chris Gray

C

1) Robbie Tobeck (Tobeck was a Hawk longer than Blair Bush was and a better Center)
2) Max Unger

QB

1) Russell Wilson
2) Matt Hasselbeck
3) Jim zorn

RB

1) Marshawn Lynch
2) Shaun Alexander
3) Curt Warner

FB

1) Mack Strong
2) John L. Williams.

That's 25 on Offense, Now I'll do defense:

DT

1) Cortez Kennedy
2) John Randle
3) Joe Nash
4) Brandon Mebane

DE

1) Jacob Green
2) Michael Sinclair
3) Red Bryant
4) Jeff Bryant

OLB

1) Chad Brown
2) Fredd Young
3) Rufus Porter
4) Julian Peterson (I know, more years a Niner than a Seahawk, but his Seahawk years were damn good ones)

MLB

1) Lofa Tatupu
2) Bobby Wagner
3) Terry wooden

Safety

1) Kenny Easely
2) Earl Thomas
3) Kam Chancelor
4) Eugene Robinson

Corner

1) Richard Sherman
2) Dave Brown
3) Marcus Trufant
4) Brandon Browner
5) Shawn Springs

And there's 24 on Defense, which leave 4 for special teams

P

John Ryan

PK

Steven Hauschka (hey, his 89.4 FG percentage is easily the best, only Mara is close at 88%. Norm is the sentimental fave, but 69.7%?)

LS

J. P. Darche

Specialist

Bobby Joe Edmonds

If my math is right, that's 53, and I'll put 'em on the field against anybody. Now for the non roster spots:

Owner

Paul Allen

HC

Pete Carroll

OC/Assistant HC

Mike Holmgren (what the hell, it's my list and want Chumley on it!)

[Hawk Sista]

You can have Chumley on it. I loved him & was disgusted w/ how fast somefans REALLY turned on him. We went from the (less than) mediocrity of the 90's to about a decade of being very good thanks to him. I remember the days when we would have been happy to have 8 wins in a season. Now we are in panic mode because we only have 8 wins w/ 4 to go. Ahhhhhhh, the good old days. .

Good list Bob. And I hear you on Hauschka

[HumanCockroach]

Not to be to critical Bob, but a couple of your defensive guys are listed in positions they didn't play ( Randle played DE not DT, Wooden was a hybrid DE/ OLB).... I really wanted to find a way to include Wyman too, just couldn't. Loved the way that guy played old school football.

[c_hawkbob]

Oh quit it HC, Randle was quite famous for being an undersized DT. Obviously he was versatile enough to have been used at DE as well but his primary position was DT. Same holds true for Wooden, athletic enough to move outside but his primary position was MLB.

I like versatility in players, that's why both are on my list in their correct position.

I'm not even gonna bother to google these two to "prove it" to you, do your own research.

[HumanCockroach]

Oh quit it HC, Randle was quite famous for being an undersized DT. Obviously he was versatile enough to have been used at DE as well but his primary position was DT. Same holds true for Wooden, athletic enough to move outside but his primary position was MLB.

I like versatility in players, that's why both are on my list in their correct position.

I'm not even gonna bother to google these two to "prove it" to you, do your own research.

Fine, I did. Wooden played his ENTIRE career at OLB, though you are right about Randle ( though he slid outside quite a bit in Seattle he made his mark on the interior for the Vikings). Not sure why you are all upset about it, but Wooden didn't play inside LB, simply didn't.

http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXWXXWoodTe20.htm&t=0

I could care less what you want to put in your lineup, obviously this is a continuation of disagreement with you Tobeck assessment. Like I said it is all subjective, who cares? I was simply pointing something out. I was wrong on one of them, and right on the other. Big whoop. I really could care less. You want to place Wooden at a position he seldom if ever played? Be my guest. You want to place Randle at DT ok dokey, you want to include a receiver that really is simply a kick cover guy? Great. Be my guest man. I wasn't attacking you, and I wasn't before. If we aren't allowed to discuss the validity of the guys on the list, what's the damn point man?

[obiken]

[/quote]The hardest part is where does Ken Easley belong?

All due respect to ET, RS, and CC, anywhere he wants. Ken Easley hit like he was shot out of a gun. Scouts graded him out and said he could have played football at 18. He Was and still is, the best DB we ever had, period.

[savvyman]

Using Human Cockroach selections as my template:



QB

Wilson
Krieg
Hasselbeck


RB

Lynch
Curt Warner
Sheman Smith


FB
John L Williams
Mack Strong

WR

Largent
Galloway
Engrahm
Blades
Tate\Baldwin

TE

Miller
Fauria

OT

Jones
Ballard



OG
Hutchison
JR Sweezy


Center

Blair Bush
Robbie Tobeck
Max Unger


SS

Easley
Chancellor

FS

Thomas
Robinson

CB

Sherman
Brown
Springs
Browner (nice mention - I miss Brandon Browner)

OLB

Brown
Peterson
Hill
Young
Porter

ILB

Wagner
Tatupu
Schultz
Butler

DE

Green
Sinclair
Bryant
Clemmons
Averil


DT

Tez
Mebane
Air Nash


P
Jon Ryan
Tuten

K

Efren Herrera
Steve Hauska
Norm Johnson


KR

Percy Harvin - He took it to the House in the Superbowl and put the game out of reach)

PR

Golden Tate


Coach

Pete Carrol
Mike Holmgren
Chuka Knox

Director of Football Ops

John Schneider
Todd Leweike (He is the guy that hired both Pete Carrol and John Schneider)

[c_hawkbob]

So you wanna play dueling links? I'll see your Pro Football reference link, which list him as an inconclusive LLB (we played a 3-4 front for at least a few of the years he was here IIRC) and raise you a Football Outsider which definitively lists him as a MLB/ILB:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/player ... rry-wooden

Terry Wooden
Position: ILB, MLB
Size: 6-3, 239 pounds
Draft: Seattle Seahawks 1990 (Round: 2 / Pick: 29)
College: Syracuse
Birthdate: 01/14/1967

I'm a bit miffed because when you first brought up what a bad call thinking Tobeck was a fair pick you acted as though it was completely ridiculous,

was a short term Hawk, might as well add in Mawae if that's the route being taken

... making it sound as if Bush was more than the obvious choice while in fact every attribute you complained about regarding Tobeck was quantifiably superior to Bush, Games started, years as a Seahawk, being a Seahawk for more of his career, everything. You said Tobeck was a good player but wanted to disqualify him on grounds that supported him better than they did Blair.

Then you do the same thing about Randle, who was one of my all time favorite players. It seems as though you look at a single source (the FG article on Bush v Okung, that PF Reference link listing Wooden as a LLB) and assume it to be the last word on the matter. I also felt as though you chose to further disagree with my list because of our previous disagreement, which felt petty.

I'm sorry if I've offended you.

[RiverDog]

Riv - I think you may have forgotten that they moved the kickoffs so it would stand to reason that Haushka's would be deeper. Still - Haushka is close to taking over Johnson & an argument could be made for both him & Ryan.

Still.... I admitted up front that I have my own goggles on. I think football wise, John L may have been superior to Mack, but the latter is one of my favorite Hawks ever - hence his place atop the list of fullbacks. Tate's recent comments about us needing him got him bounced off my list - at least for now. I did include Futch, so time heals, I guess.

My memory is as sharp as a tack, Sis....well, at least as it applies to this subject.

In 1974, they moved kickoffs from the 40 back to the 35, and that's where it stood until 1994 when they moved it further back to the 30, then in 2011, they brought it back to the 35 where it is today. Johnson kicked for us from 1982-1990, Haushka from 2011-2014 so both of their kickoffs for us came from the 35. Apples vs. apples, except for the fact that Johnson kicked in a dome.

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/ ... t-kickoffs

And to who ever it was that mentioned Josh Brown's clutch kicking, I not only say no, I say HELL NO! Get that bum outa hear! He missed two very makeable FG's in a dome in XL which to that point was the biggest game in the history of our franchise then had the gall to take some parting shots at us when he left to go play for a division rival. He can take a seat with Brian Bosworth.

[Hawk Sista]

I stand corrected. Still my caveats were admitted. It is what it is.

Do you have a list?

[obiken]

Sis, I like him as a person, so I never one of those that turned Holmy but the team of Wolf and Holmy worked well in GB, it fell apart here when it was just him. Remember he was given the keys to the Kingdom, and his overall history was a mixed bag.
Holmy as a GM is B A D. Holmy as a coach, is A OK. The problem I had was his drafts. Notwithstanding the fact that I am a draft day flip out anyway, his FA pickups were way better than his drafts. Randle, Winstrom, Hass, ect ect, added a lot. His drafts like the Tubbs's, Locklears, Womacks, Stevens, the smurfs at the back, Kdrop, ect ect, were horrible.
With the exception of 2 drafts, I would argue that Holmy's 2nd rounders were way better as a whole than his first. Lofta, Hamblin, Lucas, Boulware, ect ect they were really good value. Most of his 1st rounders were bust.

I told my best friend in Cleveland not to expect too much out of him as a GM, I was right.

[Vegaseahawk]

Holmy as a GM is B A D. Holmy as a coach, is A OK. The problem I had was his drafts. Notwithstanding the fact that I am a draft day flip out anyway, his FA pickups were way better than his drafts. Randle, Winstrom, Hass, ect ect, added a lot. His drafts like the Tubbs's, Locklears, Womacks, Stevens, the smurfs at the back, Kdrop, ect ect, were horrible.

Some of those picks, especially the undersized DB's were The GM Ruskell's, not Holmgrens choices. But overall, I agree with you, Holmy did better in FA than the draft.

[obiken]

Obi all time list

QB
Wilson
Hass
Zorn
NO NOT Karl Mecklenburg's Santa Claus!!

RB
Lynch, Imagine his yards behind Hutch, Toby, and Walt!
Curt Warner, Imagine his yards behind Hutch, Toby and Walt!!
Chris Warren
SA cause I have to put Mr. Cupcake on due to his Yards.

TE
Carlson
Miller
Christian
Honorable mention
Charlie Young

WR
No brainers
Largent
Joey
Bobby
Blades
HMention DJack

OT
Walt
RO

Guards
Hutch
Reggie
Kendall

Center
Blair Bush
Unger
Toby

Defense to follow

[c_hawkbob]

It didn't "fall apart" here until Ruskell started making major personnel decisions behind H's back. You can't put all that on Holmgren.

It almost fell apart earlier when Witless stater trying to take the reigns and turn Seahawks HQ into Trailblazers North. Mike survived that sh*t and got us the SB in spite of it, then Timmay got a swelled head over his Lofa pick and that's when thing's actually went south on him.

Holmgren took an organization in a shambles and taught it how to win. He brought the structure and organization and discipline the team so sorely needed with him from Green Bay and made this a team capable of winning on a year in/year out basis, often in spite of ineptitude others he was forced to work with.

[Seahawks4Ever]

Alex Bannister ? Really Bob? You had to have your tongue in your cheek on that one. I have not made a list but mine would look much like most that I have seen in here with just a few exceptions. I would put Hass #1 Mudbone #2 and Wilson #3 but I expect that in a few years Wilson should climb to #1. I also would put John L. over Mack Strong just because of how productive he was. I also would put Curt Warner at #2 behind Beast Mode but ahead of SA. Shaun may have had more yards but Curt had more heart.

[c_hawkbob]

Alex Bannister ? Really Bob? You had to have your tongue in your cheek on that one. I have not made a list but mine would look much like most that I have seen in here with just a few exceptions. I would put Hass #1 Mudbone #2 and Wilson #3 but I expect that in a few years Wilson should climb to #1. I also would put John L. over Mack Strong just because of how productive he was. I also would put Curt Warner at #2 behind Beast Mode but ahead of SA. Shaun may have had more yards but Curt had more heart.

It's a 53 man roster, you're gonna need special teams guys too.

[Seahawks4Ever]

You are right Bob, I had forgot what a BEAST AB was on ST. In fact our current guys Lane and Lockette are superb but you are right, AB set the bar really high. I was thinking of him as a WR and running the wrong route in the play off game against GB after Hass said he "guaranteed" we would score. I know there are people that laugh at Hass for that but that was when I knew we had a field general that could take us all the way.