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[politicalfootball]

We need better blocking. Sorry am using my cell phone not easy.

[Agent 86]

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[depaashaas]

That would help but I think that some of Russel's sacks are also a result of the way he plays the QB position. But a little more protection would be nice, it kills me from time to time you see Wilson stand in the pocket like some one waiting for the bus and the bus is not coming and has all the time he needs and on the next snap the Oline is like swiss cheese and there will be three guys on top of him.

[politicalfootball]

We are very deserving of a great OL and we should get another monster there sooner the better.

[Vegaseahawk]

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I agree. You should change your username to '70s porn star too...

[politicalfootball]

How do I post my picture I have it on another site.

[RiverDog]

That would help but I think that some of Russel's sacks are also a result of the way he plays the QB position. But a little more protection would be nice, it kills me from time to time you see Wilson stand in the pocket like some one waiting for the bus and the bus is not coming and has all the time he needs and on the next snap the Oline is like swiss cheese and there will be three guys on top of him.

That's true. Where a lot of quarterbacks throw the ball away at the first hint of pressure, Russell won't. It's an attribute of a scrambling quarterback that rightfully or wrongfully believes that he can escape most any situation. It comes with the territory.

[Anthony]

That's true. Where a lot of quarterbacks throw the ball away at the first hint of pressure, Russell won't. It's an attribute of a scrambling quarterback that rightfully or wrongfully believes that he can escape most any situation. It comes with the territory.

You throw it away you have no chance, you scramble you have a chance, The reality is if it gets to the point Wilson has to scramble that means either the oline did not block, or the Wr did not get open. Neither of which is on the QB.

[HumanCockroach]

It isn't that simple Anthony, and you know it. You said you played the position, did you always hit the open receiver, did you always find him? The Quarterback has a LOT to deal with, and being human insisting that any QB, no matter how good, doesn't make split second decisions, or miss plays that are not always accurate is crazy. Wilson HAS indeed had open receivers, with plenty of protection, and did not deliver the ball.

He isn't a machine, and this is not a defense of his receivers or his line, it is simply the truth. Wilson, has indeed beeen the cause of some of his hits, or sacks, just the way it is. He like every human walking the Earth, makes errors in judgement, or mistakes, that are indeed on him.

Doesn't mean the line is doing enough, or the receivers are doing enough, just that refusing to acknowledge that Wilson is foulable is ridiculous.

[RiverDog]

It isn't that simple Anthony, and you know it. You said you played the position, did you always hit the open receiver, did you always find him? The Quarterback has a LOT to deal with, and being human insisting that any QB, no matter how good, doesn't make split second decisions, or miss plays that are not always accurate is crazy. Wilson HAS indeed had open receivers, with plenty of protection, and did not deliver the ball.

He isn't a machine, and this is not a defense of his receivers or his line, it is simply the truth. Wilson, has indeed beeen the cause of some of his hits, or sacks, just the way it is. He like every human walking the Earth, makes errors in judgement, or mistakes, that are indeed on him.

Doesn't mean the line is doing enough, or the receivers are doing enough, just that refusing to acknowledge that Wilson is foulable is ridiculous.

Nice post, Roach. Russell does screw up, more than a lot of us want to admit. There's more than one reason why he doesn't throw a lot of interceptions, and one of those reasons is that he's reluctant to take the types of risks that other quarterbacks are more willing to do. He's very confident in his ability to extend a play and thus wants to wait until a receiver is wide open before he pulls the trigger. That leads to occasions where his receivers never do come wide open and he misses a good, if not perfect, opportunity to make a play.

However, I am more than happy to accept the trade off, at least for the time being. We'll have to wait and see how he adjusts when he starts to lose some of that mobility.

[HumanCockroach]

However, I am more than happy to accept the trade off

This is kind of what I was attempting to explain when all the fretting over the line was occuring. I am not ever saying I don't desire "better" protection, I just understand, that sometimes, the mistakes are made by other groups/ players ie Receivers/ WR's or even sometimes the RB making the wrong read on who he is to block etc. It's a "team" game, and as such, I accept that different members make mistakes, INCLUDING the QB....

Wilson wanting to move, extend plays etc, comes with the type of QB he is, just like guys like Rothlisberger will be hit "more" or Vick will get hurt more often etc. Each QB has his own "style" and with each style comes certain "warts" that have to be accepted, understood, and acknowledged. In Wilsons case, that may indeed be holding the ball longer than necessary to create "more" seperation for a receiver, that may indeed have been "enough" seperation in the first place.

It is NOT a knock on Wilson, nor is it an "excuse" for the line or the receivers, it is simply pointing out that all units are tied together, and it isn't always accurate to blame one unit when another may be at fault.

[Anthony]

It isn't that simple Anthony, and you know it. You said you played the position, did you always hit the open receiver, did you always find him? The Quarterback has a LOT to deal with, and being human insisting that any QB, no matter how good, doesn't make split second decisions, or miss plays that are not always accurate is crazy. Wilson HAS indeed had open receivers, with plenty of protection, and did not deliver the ball.

He isn't a machine, and this is not a defense of his receivers or his line, it is simply the truth. Wilson, has indeed beeen the cause of some of his hits, or sacks, just the way it is. He like every human walking the Earth, makes errors in judgement, or mistakes, that are indeed on him.

Doesn't mean the line is doing enough, or the receivers are doing enough, just that refusing to acknowledge that Wilson is foulable is ridiculous.

I never refused to acknowledge anything, Just tires of some here refusing to acknowledge the issues with the oline, wr, and play calling. Now mind you I acknowledge he most likely missed some as all QBs I do not know that for a fact as I do not know if they were open at the time he looked them in his progressions, or if they got open after the fact. I am merely presuming as all QBs do. I am just tired of all the excuses given to the oline and WR. This whole this stated as an excuse. Footballloutsiders did a break down last year on Wilson sacks,
"For Seattle’s Russell Wilson, the breakdown looks like this:

20 for what it terms a “blown block.”

14 for good coverage in the secondary

8 for a rusher coming in untouched (so meaning the blame more on scheme or assignment than a physical error).

And one each for it describes as other pressure and “quarterback fault.”

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/seahawks/ ... crambling/

We already Know Wilson is one of the most hit, hurried and sacked QBs in the league. So while I do get like with any QB there is some culpability for the34 QB, most of it far and away is on the oline, Wr, and play calling/design.

[RiverDog]

This is kind of what I was attempting to explain when all the fretting over the line was occuring. I am not ever saying I don't desire "better" protection, I just understand, that sometimes, the mistakes are made by other groups/ players ie Receivers/ WR's or even sometimes the RB making the wrong read on who he is to block etc. It's a "team" game, and as such, I accept that different members make mistakes, INCLUDING the QB....

Wilson wanting to move, extend plays etc, comes with the type of QB he is, just like guys like Rothlisberger will be hit "more" or Vick will get hurt more often etc. Each QB has his own "style" and with each style comes certain "warts" that have to be accepted, understood, and acknowledged. In Wilsons case, that may indeed be holding the ball longer than necessary to create "more" seperation for a receiver, that may indeed have been "enough" seperation in the first place.

It is NOT a knock on Wilson, nor is it an "excuse" for the line or the receivers, it is simply pointing out that all units are tied together, and it isn't always accurate to blame one unit when another may be at fault.

What's with all the "quotation" marks?

[RiverDog]

To heck with quotation marks, can someone please come up with sarcasm marks?

According to the emotion symbols, the closest one to sarcasm must be this one:

[monkey]

I'm not sure it's all about Wilson's scrambling ability Riverdog, I think it has more to do with Pete's "it's all about the ball" mantra in Russell's head, telling him to take the safer route.
He was not at all hesitant to throw into tight windows in college, at either school, or during his first pre-season trying to win the job, or even during much if not most of his first two seasons. Don't believe me, go back and re-watch the tape, some of the tight windows he threw into then he won't now.
He's become gradually more and more cautious, and I think it' has more to do with coaching. Actually, I think it has everything to do with coaching.
I think every time Russell goes to the sideline having passed up an opportunity to throw into a tight window, possibly for a big gain, Pete is telling him "GOOD JOB RUSS!" In fact, go watch film and you can see just exactly that. Russell is doing it the way Pete wants him to, he's not gun shy or relying too much on his legs, he's a QB who doesn't have a lot of weapons in the passing game, and a coach who LOVES it when he doesn't take risks.

[monkey]

To heck with quotation marks, can someone please come up with sarcasm marks?

ON Fieldgulls they italicize something when they want to convey sarcasm.

[Zorn76]

politicalfootball - Good to see you posting again.

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