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by **NorthHawk** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:36 pm

He's been released by the Panthers and he's had off field issues that will hurt his asking price. Last year he got the Franchise Tag, but was suspended.
His last full season he had 15 sacks and he's 26 years old.

Is he worth an offer - does our team have enough leadership to take a chance?
He was liked by his teammates, so that isn't an issue, rather is he worth the money - and the cost of a compensatory pick in 2016?

Edit: He hits FA in a couple of weeks and he's still subject to discipline by the NFL for personal conduct.
His price might be lower than his worth if he gets a few games suspension (he was on the Commissioners Exempt list last year).

by **Stream Hawk** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:48 pm

Yes please. Pete will get him straight.

by **RiverDog** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:02 pm

The DV charges against him were dismissed as they reached an out of court settlement, and based on how the league has had court decisions go against them in their disciplining of the Rice and Peterson cases, I suspect they'll go very light on Hardy.

I won't object if they bring him in. Like North said, he's never been a locker room problem.

by **mykc14** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:15 pm

Count me out. He might be super talented and be a bargain but I would rather us stay away from guys who have done what he did, especially to a woman. I know we don't know all the details but the dude sounds like a piece of crap. I am all for second chances and hope he's learned his lesson but would rather he gets that second chance somewhere else.

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:17 pm

Domestic Violence is a big concern, but we really don't know what happened.
She apparently couldn't be located for the trial, so the questions become did she just fear the process or was it a baseless accusation that got out of hand?
Maybe she was paid off to disappear so he could continue his career. We don't know all the facts at this point.

by **Zorn76** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 1:39 am

For whatever reason, I could actually see this working out if he landed here.

Contract is the question here. I think Pete and the locker room would be strong enough to help shape this guy moving forward.

by **savvyman** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:20 am

I would offer best speculative guess that it would be best to leave Hardy alone.

The situation just does not feel right - A franchise wants nothing to do with a former star performer who is entering his prime?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/28/report-panthers-are-done-with-greg-hardy/

Glad he hits the market - he adds to the supply of Defensive linemen which will help to mitigate the price "some".

Suh unlike Hardy has no internal team of front office issues that I have ever heard of (Unlike Panthers with Hardy, Detroit is doing everything possible to resign Suh) -- - Plus Suh has only missed 2 games in his career - and both of those for being suspended lol.

by **Hawktawk** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:35 am

No thanks! Woman abusing POS. She made herself unavailable deliberately, the Prosecutor said as much. The NFL is still reviewing the evidence and Hardy could face significant discipline depending on what the league develops. Not to mention he wont change and so it will happen again. I have more respect for Ray Rice who was man enough to admit his mistake and get some help than an unapologetic woman abuser like Hardy..

by **c_hawkbob** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:25 am

Yeah, reading reports from the court proceedings, if even 10% stuff is true I want nothing to do with this guy.

by **Hawk Sista** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:50 am

Being an a-hole like Harvin is one thing; choking out your significant other is another. I want no part of this.

Ask ANYONE in law enforcement. An enormously high % of failures to appear or dropping the charges are the result of being a scared to death, battered spouse. With all Hardy had to lose financially too - I smell an even bigger rat. And.... As was pointed out, his own team didn't want him back and the owner of the Panthers blubbered on stage about the shame of it all.

NO EFFIN' THANKS!

by **RiverDog** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:42 pm

Hawk Sista wrote:....his own team didn't want him back and the owner of the Panthers blubbered on stage about the shame of it all.

If we used a previous team's experience with a player as the deciding factor as to whether or not to bring in a player, why in the hell would we ever consider bringing in Percy Harvin?

by **obiken** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:35 pm

Count me out too we don't need another Locker room cancer.

by **NorthHawk** » Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:56 am

He's not a locker room cancer. That's the point - he's wanted back and seemingly well liked by his teammates, but his off field baggage could be a distraction.

by **Hawk Sista** » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:50 pm

If we used a previous team's experience with a player as the deciding factor as to whether or not to bring in a player, why in the hell would we ever consider bringing in Percy Harvin? RiverDog

I think I made that very clear in my original post on this subject.....He damn near murdered his significant other. I think that kind of crazed violence is VERY different than the difficulties/issues that Percy and even our very own Marshawn bring to the table, RiverDog. Pete thought that he could reach Percy, he could not. He has apologized. I think it is time you let that one go.

by **Hawk Sista** » Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:06 pm

NorthHawk wrote:He's not a locker room cancer. That's the point - he's wanted back and seemingly well liked by his teammates, but his off field baggage could be a distraction.

BUT HE NEARLY CHOKED HIS SIGNIFICANT OTHER TO DEATH. That is a pretty dang big deal to me...PLEASE spare me the charges were dropped argument. We see that ALL of the time.

by **NorthHawk** » Mon Mar 02, 2015 6:44 pm

Did he?
Where did you get the information?
I've only heard some allegations about abuse and guns, nothing about choking a girl almost to death.
And I've only heard about the accusations in the media which is rarely completely accurate.

There are a lot of people out there trying to take advantage of newly rich athletes, so without a court case where all the evidence is presented, we don't really know.

Like I said previously, it could be a payoff to not go to court, or it could be that the process is so stacked against the victim
In these types of cases she doesn't want to go through that, and I wouldn't blame her.

My guess is he's probably not a good guy, but I've nothing but innuendo to go on.

by **Distant Relative** » Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:02 pm

The only thing I want to say about this subject is that I find it suspicious that they had a out of court settlement.

Don't know the guy and I don't know her. I wasn't there and neither were any of you. This is a he said she said as far as I can tell.

by **Hawk Sista** » Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:09 pm

You are absutely correct...NOBODY knows what exactly happened. As I've said in here before, I have been misquoted and taken completely out of context so often that I am suspicious of every report I hear/read. That said, there was enough on him that the "franchised player" was let go. I read several reports last fall that turned my stomach and by accounts at the time, it was BAD. Their owner was in tears. You don't give up on a Greg Hardy type talent if there was nothing to the story. I'm making some assumptions, for sure - but following the bread crumbs on this lead me to exactly where I've landed. Unless I see evidence to the contrary - I want zero part of him.

Ask anyone even remotely associated to law enforcement or the DAs office about the percentage of women who opt out of seeing a domestic violence case through. There was a settlement - that's a bread crumb; he's not a Panther (& was arguably one of their top 3 players) - that's a bread crumb; he was found guilty originally - yet another bread crumb. This is way past "he said-she said." Read the link and tell me it's a simple he said/she said.

http://time.com/3329416/greg-hardy-nfl- ... -violence/

by **c_hawkbob** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:03 am

Seriously North (and anyone who really wants this guy), you gotta do better research on this one. There is everything but surveillance video ...

by **Steady_Hawk** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:47 am

c_hawkbob wrote:Seriously North (and anyone who really wants this guy), you gotta do better research on this one. There is everything but surveillance video ...

Bob, is it possible she didn't make Hardy a good sandwich???

Okay, all bad jokes aside, this is truly awful. I'll never understand where men feel empowered to be physical was a woman.

Sorry guys, count me out of the Hardy sweepstakes. This guy needs some serious help.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:45 am

Yikes!
I didn't know it was that bad. I just thought it was he hit her (which is bad enough in itself) and threw her on the bed where there were some guns.

If he was convicted, why wasn't he immediately suspended instead of going on the Commissioners Exempt List?
After looking a little further I see he was convicted, but an appeal overturned it as the victim couldn't be located.
I thought the original trial was where she couldn't be found.

by **Hawk Sista** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:28 pm

She and another witness were at and testified against Mr. Hardy at the original trial last July. As he and his attorney were leaving the courthouse, they proclaimed they would appeal. Because the entire process had not been completed, he was allowed to attend training camp, the pre-season and the first game or two of the year. It was not until the heat of the Ray Rice lamp shone on all of these cases that he was placed on the exempt list. He did appeal and somewhere between last July and last week, his big dollars found there way into his EX girlfriend's bank account (I'd bet) and she is nowhere to be found. My sincere hopes are that she remains safe, that he gets the help he clearly needs, and that the Seahawks take a pass on this guy.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:07 am

According to PFT, Hardy is visiting the Cowboys and plans to visit the Seahawks.

by **Steady_Hawk** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:11 am

North,

I had to erase my post as you got to it before me.

I have to say I'm a bit shocked.

by **Hawk Sista** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:31 am

If we sign him, I will be very, very disappointed in this franchise.

by **Steady_Hawk** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:36 am

I have a feeling that he won't leave Dallas without a contract.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:03 am

I would guess that where ever he ends up he will be on a short leash as part of his contract.

by **c_hawkbob** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 2:39 pm

Hardy's not scheduled for a visit here. We're doing our due diligence is all.

by **Agent 86** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:11 pm

I have always liked "Da Kraken" for what he has done on the field. There is something about him I just love. He lays it all on the line and is talented.

Obviously had a major off field issue, but if he somehow became a 'Hawk, I would personally love it. But I don't see it happening, he will get more money somewhere else.

I believe that Pete and John have set a standard here that players will know coming in. And if they don't abide by it, you will be out the door. Percy Harvin is proof of that, so the standard has been upheld when it needed to be.

If a player signs on here, he will know what is expected of him. The culture has never been better in Seattle. RW3 is a big part of that as well.

I would have no issues with the 'Hawks signing a "troubled" player because of those reasons.

I will admit that I tend to look the other way about a player's off field issues, and focus more on what he can do on the field. I think there was a real good debate on this topic last year, and I am probably in the minority in my thinking.

by **obiken** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:41 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:Hardy's not scheduled for a visit here. We're doing our due diligence is all.

According to ESPN he is.

by **c_hawkbob** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:08 am

obiken wrote: According to ESPN he is.

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seah ... reg-hardy/

by **NorthHawk** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:49 pm

Check out this commentary by one of the Dallas media regarding their signing of Hardy:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/1 ... 02144.html

by **obiken** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:37 pm

My bad again CB! Adam Sheffy is now not a perfect source. NFL.com said we just signed Rubin to beef up the DT position. He is younger and with Red Bryant, we should be run stoppers again!

by **NorthHawk** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:29 pm

I suspect Rubin will take Kevin Williams place.
He's 5 years younger and can play some decent DT. He's just been on bad teams.

by **Agent 86** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:04 pm

Agent 86 wrote:I have always liked "Da Kraken" for what he has done on the field. There is something about him I just love. He lays it all on the line and is talented.

Obviously had a major off field issue, but if he somehow became a 'Hawk, I would personally love it. But I don't see it happening, he will get more money somewhere else.

I believe that Pete and John have set a standard here that players will know coming in. And if they don't abide by it, you will be out the door. Percy Harvin is proof of that, so the standard has been upheld when it needed to be.

If a player signs on here, he will know what is expected of him. The culture has never been better in Seattle. RW3 is a big part of that as well.

I would have no issues with the 'Hawks signing a "troubled" player because of those reasons.

I will admit that I tend to look the other way about a player's off field issues, and focus more on what he can do on the field. I think there was a real good debate on this topic last year, and I am probably in the minority in my thinking.

Yeah, gotta say I have to take back what I said. The more I read and hear about Hardy and what happened, I don't think I would have wanted him to be a 'Hawk.

So funny, I just started watching "Sons Of Anarchy" about a week ago, into the 2nd season. And what is being talked about in Hardy's case about the testifying is a plot line in one of the episodes. Definitely sounds familiar.

There is still something about him I like, on the field. But that kind of off the field issue, in retrospect, crosses my personal line.

My bad for not fully reading up on the case. Glad "Da Kraken" is not in Seattle.

by **obiken** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:53 pm

NorthHawk wrote:I suspect Rubin will take Kevin Williams place.
He's 5 years younger and can play some decent DT. He's just been on bad teams.

Right, he might have some real upside!

by **c_hawkbob** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:24 am

Yeah I really like this signing Obi. It's a one year deal cause he's been playing hurt the last couple of years but id he returns to form he's gonna be a steal.

by **Zorn76** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:17 pm

I, too, have to take back what I said concerning Hardy 3 weeks ago, as I had not read all the details involving his situation.

The Cowboys are catching a lot of grief for signing him, and rightfully so.

I apologize to anybody who was offended by me endorsing bringing him here.

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