Wilson #5 on B?R Top 50 QBs

[Anthony]

B/R NFL 1000: Ranking the Top 50 Quarterbacks from 2014

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2330 ... 14/page/47

[burrrton]

If RW gets 4/5 in "mobility", what could possibly constitute a "5" in that category??

[Anthony]

If RW gets 4/5 in "mobility", what could possibly constitute a "5" in that category??

I am betting no one got a 5 in that category.

[NorthHawk]

Really subjective.
They say Manning throws a great deep ball, but then say he's lost his arm strength.
They think Luck has the same mobility as Wilson. I guess they had to do that to justify ranking him at #4 instead of behind Wilson even though they have the same point total.
They also give Luck 2 more points on decision making even though he has thrown more interceptions 26 (Wilson) to 43 career INT's and the INT % is 2.1 (Wilson) to 2.4.
At least they say Wilson is 5-11 now. Maybe it's because he plays bigger than he is.

[RiverDog]

I thought the article was fair to Russell. I know a lot of 12's will cringe at Luck being rated higher than Wilson, but it doesn't bother me in the least. Russell is the best quarterback for our team and that's all that matters, at least to me.

[burrrton]

I am betting no one got a 5 in that category.

True, and you're correct of course, but honestly, if RW doesn't earn a 5 in "mobility", they need to recalibrate.

They're not ranking their mobility against all NFL players- they're ranking them as QBs, and if, after the last few years, they can't give Russell a top score in *that*, then none of those QBs should get a top score in anything.

He's been *historically* good in that particular category.

[RiverDog]

You have a good point about the mobility grade. Cam Newton an Colin Kaepernick got 5/5. Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck, Ben Worthlessburger, Ryan Tannehill, Derrick Carr, Alex Smith, Jay Cutler (what?), RG3, Michael Vick, Blake Bortles, Jake Locker, Austin Davis, Johnny Manziel, Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, and Teddy Bridgewater all got the same mobility grade as Russell did.

You can't tell me that there are two quarterbacks with better mobility and 16 with equal ability to Russell in that category. I guess that the fact that he was the top rushing quarterback in the league and had the highest yards per carry of all players doesn't count for anything in their mobility grade.

[HumanCockroach]

Once again, despitr multiple posters refusing to believe me, and will insist I am wrong, I point out that "mobility" for a QB does NOT mean "running ability" but escapabilty, both within and without the pocket. Does not mean I agree with the grade, only that there is a general perception, that most NFL evaluators, by fans that a mobile QB runs a lot. QB's that avoid sacks are considered mobile whether they gain yards or not, don't have to he particularly fast or agile, but all have the ability to feel pressure, move, and throw.

[RiverDog]

Once again, despitr multiple posters refusing to believe me, and will insist I am wrong, I point out that "mobility" for a QB does NOT mean "running ability" but escapabilty, both within and without the pocket. Does not mean I agree with the grade, only that there is a general perception, that most NFL evaluators, by fans that a mobile QB runs a lot. QB's that avoid sacks are considered mobile whether they gain yards or not, don't have to he particularly fast or agile, but all have the ability to feel pressure, move, and throw.

I understand that there is not always a direct relationship between rushing yardage and overall mobility. But nevertheless, there is a correlation, is there not? IMO Russell's extreme capability in mobility leads to sacks that otherwise would not occur with a less mobile quarterback. Sometimes he runs into sacks. On the other hand, Worthlessburger's ability to avoid sacks has almost as much to do with the fact that he's such a horse that he's difficult to bring down as it does with his ability to move around in the pocket. I wouldn't attribute those types of sack avoidances to his mobility but rather to his physical strength.

The fact that this publication chose to equate RW's mobility, escape ability, or what every you choose to call it, as being the same degree of proficiency as that of Jay Cutler's disqualifies itself as a credible source of information.

[burrrton]

I point out that "mobility" for a QB does NOT mean "running ability" but escapabilty, both within and without the pocket.

Fine, but RW is very, very good there, too.

I'll also point out that Peyton Manning moves (or moved) *extremely* well in the pocket, but nobody, and I mean *nobody*, would have *ever* referred to him as a "mobile" QB.

The fact that this publication chose to equate RW's mobility, escape ability, or what every you choose to call it, as being the same degree of proficiency as that of Jay Cutler's disqualifies itself as a credible source of information.

Exactly.

I don't take any ranking personally, but when you look at all the rankings, it's pretty clear they had their overall order in mind ahead of time, and just adjusted the numbers where they had to to make it all fit the narrative ("He's pretty good in this area- will too high a number mess up the order? Yes? Then give him a slightly lower number.").

No big whoop, but a lot less interesting.

[NorthHawk]

"I don't take any ranking personally, but when you look at all the rankings, it's pretty clear they had their overall order in mind ahead of time, and just adjusted the numbers where they had to to make it all fit the narrative ("He's pretty good in this area- will too high a number mess up the order? Yes? Then give him a slightly lower number.")."

My thoughts, too.
I can't believe Manning is still the 2nd best QB in the NFL.
He's just lost too much - and he knows it. It's why he's seriously considering this year as his last.

[c_hawkbob]

when you look at all the rankings, it's pretty clear they had their overall order in mind ahead of time, and just adjusted the numbers where they had to to make it all fit the narrative.

^ This.

[Anthony]

Though they listed Luck 4 ahead of Wilson their grades are the same. I believe that has more to do with the scores than anything. They did not want to rank Wilson higher than luck so they held back especially in the running/scrambling area

[NorthHawk]

Though they listed Luck 4 ahead of Wilson their grades are the same. I believe that has more to do with the scores than anything. They did not want to rank Wilson higher than luck so they held back especially in the running/scrambling area

From my first post:
"They also give Luck 2 more points on decision making even though he has thrown more interceptions 26 (Wilson) to 43 career INT's and the INT % is 2.1 (Wilson) to 2.4."

They had to justify ranking the Golden Boy higher regardless of the evidence.

[RiverDog]

"They also give Luck 2 more points on decision making even though he has thrown more interceptions 26 (Wilson) to 43 career INT's and the INT % is 2.1 (Wilson) to 2.4."

They had to justify ranking the Golden Boy higher regardless of the evidence.

Interceptions and interception percentage are just two components of a complicated equation that makes up good decision making. There's the decision to break the pocket and run, pitch or keep in the read option, when to take a sack vs. risking a turnover, and so on. I don't watch Andrew Luck week in and week out like I do Russell, so it is possible, at least in my mind, that Luck could legitimately rank ahead of RW in that category. But he'd have to be darn near perfect to do so.

[NorthHawk]

Even if Luck is marginally better, he's not two points (as these rankings are presented) better.

[RiverDog]

Even if Luck is marginally better, he's not two points (as these rankings are presented) better.

Agreed.

I think Burrton got it right, that they entered the endeavor with a predetermined ranking and adjusted their criteria to fit that determination.

[savvyman]

At least Russell is finally getting the respect nationally for just how good a QB he is - I have seen him ranked near the top of several best QB's list over the past couple months. Until this off-season, Russell had never ranked much higher than #8 or so on most national rankings of QB's.