Its Time Someone Said the Un-Sayable

[savvyman]

Yep - The Un-Sayable is now being said by the 12th Man.

https://twitter.com/johnmarkrodgers/status/615743046752206848

Sorry Russell you are being Selfish & Greedy.

[Anthony]

Yep - The Un-Sayable is now being said by the 12th Man.

https://twitter.com/johnmarkrodgers/status/615743046752206848

Sorry Russell you are being Selfish & Greedy.

LOL keep trying so far you got nothing, but your feelings based on nothing. LOL

[Vegaseahawk]

I like Danny's take on this subject.

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dgWPV?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=seattle-seahawks

[Futureite]

Even IF that were the case, I always side with the player, and always will. It's the way America is run, get what you can, while you can. Owners certainly are not paying guys they deem to expensive, two signatures on those contracts not just one, yet fans often turn on the players for their "greed", while accepting it's a "business" for the billionaires, well, it is for the players as well, and as with ANY business, you attempt to maximize your potential profit, the SAME as the billionaires .

Yes, I agree 100%. There is nothing at all wrong with Wilson wanting to be paid his market value.

[NorthHawk]

I like Danny's take on this subject.

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dgWPV?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=seattle-seahawks

Yup. It's pretty much how it is.

[RiverDog]

I don't completely agree. I do think that loyalty should be factored in, particularly with Russell, who may never have seen the light of day had it not been for Pete Carroll and John Schneider putting their trust in him, first in selecting him well above where he was projected to go, and second by giving him the opportunity to start. I'm not saying that he should sign for a huge discount, only that he would be very disingenuous to those who put their own careers on the line to give him his opportunity if he were to simply put himself out to the highest bidder ala Alex Rodriguez.

[Anthony]

I don't completely agree. I do think that loyalty should be factored in, particularly with Russell, who may never have seen the light of day had it not been for Pete Carroll and John Schneider putting their trust in him, first in selecting him well above where he was projected to go, and second by giving him the opportunity to start. I'm not saying that he should sign for a huge discount, only that he would be very disingenuous to those who put their own careers on the line to give him his opportunity if he were to simply put himself out to the highest bidder ala Alex Rodriguez.

Some truth to what you say but we do know Philly was going to take him if we did not, and judging by what happened there the odds are pretty good he would have gotten his chance. Also lets not forget JS and PC benefited form Wilson as well.

[RiverDog]

Some truth to what you say but we do know Philly was going to take him if we did not, and judging by what happened there the odds are pretty good he would have gotten his chance. Also lets not forget JS and PC benefited form Wilson as well.

We KNOW that Philly was going to take him? How do we KNOW this?

The fact is that Russell was rated as no higher than a 5th round pick and that our selection of him in the 3rd was widely viewed as a reach. I know that I was initially upset that we burned a 3rd on him and felt that we could have had him for at least a round lower.

Obviously PC and JS benefited greatly from Russell's contributions, as they have from a very large number of current and former players, and they owe Russell a great deal. Loyalty is a two way street.

[NorthHawk]

One team did say prior to the 2012 season that they had planned to take him with their next pick.
I can't remember if it was the Eagles, but the Jets could have taken him before the Eagles, too considering their QB woes.

[Anthony]

We KNOW that Philly was going to take him? How do we KNOW this?

The fact is that Russell was rated as no higher than a 5th round pick and that our selection of him in the 3rd was widely viewed as a reach. I know that I was initially upset that we burned a 3rd on him and felt that we could have had him for at least a round lower.

Obviously PC and JS benefited greatly from Russell's contributions, as they have from a very large number of current and former players, and they owe Russell a great deal. Loyalty is a two way street.

Ahh dude their then head coach came out and said it shortly after the draft

[politicalfootball]

Russell Wilson may be playing baseball soon.

[burrrton]

Nobody's paying him anything approaching $25M/season to play SS/2B. He's not playing effing baseball.

[RiverDog]

Ahh dude their then head coach came out and said it shortly after the draft

Yea, dude, you're exactly right. We all know with 100% certainty that head coaches always tell the truth about everything all the time.

[RiverDog]

Nobody's paying him anything approaching $25M/season to play SS/2B. He's not playing effing baseball.

He's not a very good baseball player. I think his career batting average in Class A, which is professional baseball's equivalent of NCAA Division III, was something like .230.

[mykc14]

He's not a very good baseball player. I think his career batting average in Class A, which is professional baseball's equivalent of NCAA Division III, was something like .230.

That translates to a .175 in the majors. He could hold down a utility infield position on the M's with that.

[HumanCockroach]

Hell, if he played catcher he could start with that.

[Anthony]

Yea, dude, you're exactly right. We all know with 100% certainty that head coaches always tell the truth about everything all the time.

Well simply prove he was not then, until you do all we have is what he said and the fact he has nothing to gain by saying it.

[burrrton]

That translates to a .175 in the majors. He could hold down a utility infield position on the M's with that.

And make league minimum if so, assuming he wouldn't get sent down, which he would.

He's not playing baseball.

[Hawktawk]

The fact is that Russell was rated as no higher than a 5th round pick and that our selection of him in the 3rd was widely viewed as a reach. I know that I was initially upset that we burned a 3rd on him and felt that we could have had him for at least a round lower.

Obviously PC and JS benefited greatly from Russell's contributions, as they have from a very large number of current and former players, and they owe Russell a great deal. Loyalty is a two way street.[/quote]

A jets exec from 2012 flatly stated that Russell would have come off the board with their 3rd round selection. Simply watching the documentary waiting for Wilson it is clear that JS was very concerned that RW might get drafted. And whats the point anyway RD? I believe Wilson would be a star wherever he was playing.He should have been SB 48 MVP. He helped put a ring on Caroll and JS finger which is something lots of coaches never get to do. I think he is the most dynamic QB in the league, one of the best and may soon be the absolute best ever. I think he deserves to be paid the top QB contract in the league at the current time. Whatever he signs will be dwarfed by the deals given to Luck and then Rodgers anyway. Hes earned it, there isn't another guy out there that can do what he does and its only going to get more expensive the longer they wait.


PAY THE MAN!!!!!

[NorthHawk]

If you look at the Seahawks Offense, QB mobility and accuracy on the run is not an added quality, rather it's a requirement.
The OL looks at run blocking first as stated by Cable. This means the Offense HAS to have a mobile QB who doesn't turn it over on a regular basis.
If we consider the Jets recent comments on the signing of Carpenter as being a fair evaluation, they said that his pass blocking was better than his run blocking.
That they didn't re-sign a starting Guard after trading a former Pro Bowl Center seems to suggest that pass blocking is not the highest of the priorities.

Thus we have a QB that is the perfect fit for the Hawks Offense. He's mobile, elusive, accurate, a leader, and a proven winner.
I can't think of another QB in the NFL now or coming up in College that has all of these characteristics.

The bottom line in my estimation is he holds the upper hand. The Seahawks need him more than he needs the Seahawks.

I hope he chooses to stay.

[Hawktown]

I'll just have to reply... DON'T BREAK THE BANK FOR THE GUY! There is MUCH, MUCH more to it than OVERpaying one guy.

PAY THE MAN BUT KEEP IT TO WHERE THE TEAM CAN COMPETE!!!

[Anthony]

I'll just have to reply... DON'T BREAK THE BANK FOR THE GUY! There is MUCH, MUCH more to it than OVERpaying one guy.

PAY THE MAN BUT KEEP IT TO WHERE THE TEAM CAN COMPETE!!!

Ahh the team cannot compete without the man so you pay what it takes.

[obiken]

I give up, not only I am disillusioned on RW as a person, I am at the point that we just carry him to the end of contract and tag him next year after we win our 2nd SB. IF we don't, see ya.

[Hawktawk]

I give up, not only I am disillusioned on RW as a person, I am at the point that we just carry him to the end of contract and tag him next year after we win our 2nd SB. IF we don't, see ya.

What was that again? Disillusioned by RW as a person! OMG. But if he wins his 2nd SB maybe we pay him or tag him after 3 straight trips to the SB?I'm sure he and his agent will be in a real negotiating mood after that ROFLMAO. Its amazing how naive a view of Wilson so many of our fans have. By the grace of god we have had the best QB in our history fall into our laps and we just dont know how to act now that its payday. The man gave us the 3 best years this franchise has ever seen for less than our punter made in that period of time.. Pay him now and quit whining and yes JS that means YOU!!!

[NorthHawk]

I think they will eventually get to the point where they can agree on a salary.
They are both posturing at this point with demands and offers.
It's part of the process of negotiating big contracts.

[Anthony]

I give up, not only I am disillusioned on RW as a person, I am at the point that we just carry him to the end of contract and tag him next year after we win our 2nd SB. IF we don't, see ya.

So you are disillusioned because the media and all there unnamed sources are saying things that as of now are assumptions and conjecture and you are choosing to believe it all. Another drone created by the media.

[obiken]

If we were talking 15 20 million it would be a done deal. Sorry we are talking stratosphere numbers here.. NO, I don't hate RW, I just move him to normal class of PRO athlete. MY heart hasn't been broken since Drexler went to Houston to get a ring, which I understood 100%, but then he goes into the Hall as a Rocket, really?? A rocket. Screw these athletes. 100 million here, a 150 there, and our leaders are bitching about giving the average guy 15 bucks an hour.

[Anthony]

If we were talking 15 20 million it would be a done deal. Sorry we are talking stratosphere numbers here.. NO, I don't hate RW, I just move him to normal class of PRO athlete. MY heart hasn't been broken since Drexler went to Houston to get a ring, which I understood 100%, but then he goes into the Hall as a Rocket, really?? A rocket. Screw these athletes. 100 million here, a 150 there, and our leaders are bitching about giving the average guy 15 bucks an hour.

Dude you can guess all you want, you can assume all you want, but we do not know, For all we know he wants 22 mil a yea and it is the guarantees that is the issue. You do not know and have decided to buy into the media crap. What you should be saying is screw the owners who make billions off the players, but balk at guaranteeing anything.

[obiken]

IF IT WASNT FOR THE CAP, I WOULD GIVE A RIP if he made 1 billion. But I don't want to become like the Ravens where it could take years to get back to the SB. My question is will we ever know the numbers IF he leaves. Neither side will want to be the bad guy. The Times backs me up his rep has taken a hit period.

[NorthHawk]

So the bottom line is all this whining and sniveling by a few of the posters is because we don't know the details of the negotiations.

Too bad, we will never know the minutia of the contract negotiations. The only people who will are the two sides.
Just get used to it and relax. There's nothing you can do about it.

[Anthony]

IF IT WASNT FOR THE CAP, I WOULD GIVE A RIP if he made 1 billion. But I don't want to become like the Ravens where it could take years to get back to the SB. My question is will we ever know the numbers IF he leaves. Neither side will want to be the bad guy. The Times backs me up his rep has taken a hit period.

All the times did was prove there are a lot of media drones out there who will believe whatever they are told but people who do not know.

[RiverDog]

Hell, if he played catcher he could start with that.

I bought a drink at $1.67 courtesy of Mariners catcher Dave Valle, which represented his current average at the time. And what the hell is the Mendoza line? Not much more than .175 I think.

Russell is not a baseball player. Period.

[HumanCockroach]

Did I say he was? Truth is, plenty MLB players don't put up eye popping stats in less than a single season of baseball, Wilson was good enough to be drafted twice. Basing an assessment on 300 at bats in the minors is comparable to saying after a bad series in pre-season, a QB can never play football.

Wilson IS a QB, but if you believe that his work ethic would remain constant ( which I personally have zero reason to believe wouldn't be the case) claiming he could not be a MLB player is silly. Baseball is indeed a sport that requires repetition to improve, most minor league players have between 3500 and 5000 ab's before sniffing the majors, ( and indeed MANY major league all stars and HOF players performed comparably to Wilson)Wilson had less than a tenth of that. I don't see him doing so, nor do I want to see him do so, but I'm not foolish enough to claim he " can not" play baseball, OBVIOUSLY he can, or he would not have been drafted once, much less twice.

[RiverDog]

Did I say he was? Truth is, plenty MLB players don't put up eye popping stats in less than a single season of baseball, Wilson was good enough to be drafted twice. Basing an assessment on 300 at bats in the minors is comparable to saying after a bad series in pre-season, a QB can never play football.

Wilson IS a QB, but if you believe that his work ethic would remain constant ( which I personally have zero reason to believe wouldn't be the case) claiming he could not be a MLB player is silly. Baseball is indeed a sport that requires repetition to improve, most minor league players have between 3500 and 5000 ab's before sniffing the majors, ( and indeed MANY major league all stars and HOF players performed comparably to Wilson)Wilson had less than a tenth of that. I don't see him doing so, nor do I want to see him do so, but I'm not foolish enough to claim he " can not" play baseball, OBVIOUSLY he can, or he would not have been drafted once, much less twice.

The fact is that given his performance in the minors, the odds of Russell ever getting a chance to show his stuff at the MLB level are extremely slim, or at least they were until he became a name. The competition for an MLB roster spot is much more intense than is an NFL roster as the pool of potential players is much wider and covers scores of nations. NFL rosters are composed almost exclusively by players that participated in football at US colleges and universities. Not so in MLB. The NFL's draft has 7 rounds while MLB's draft has has 40. The NFL has 53 players on their active rosters, MLB has 25, 15 or so for position players like Russell. Those numbers alone show you how difficult it is to make an MLB roster. If Russell ever does get a shot, it will be due to the publicity generated by his name, not because he was this hot prospect that teams were lining up to sign.

Russell couldn't hit better than .230 in two years of Class A ball. If you believe that he can perform significantly better at the MLB level while only playing the game sporadically and just for a few weeks at a time, then I have some oceanfront property in Nebraska that I'd like to sell you.

[HumanCockroach]

And you are assuming that Wilson would only do so part time. My point is simply that if he had stayed with baseball, worked as diligently as he has at football, he could indeed have been as successful playing baseball as football. By all means, continue to infer things that are not intended or said into my posts, but at the very least se me the RD baseball scout cliff notes. Wilson did NOT play "two full seasons" of baseball, you know that, as do I, and anyone else who knows anything about the man.

[RiverDog]

And you are assuming that Wilson would only do so part time. My point is simply that if he had stayed with baseball, worked as diligently as he has at football, he could indeed have been as successful playing baseball as football. By all means, continue to infer things that are not intended or said into my posts, but at the very least se me the RD baseball scout cliff notes. Wilson did NOT play "two full seasons" of baseball, you know that, as do I, and anyone else who knows anything about the man.

Perhaps he could have. My point is that when you compare the numbers of athletes he would have been competing against in baseball vs. football and taking into consideration his minor league performance in both sports (for the sake of argument I'm considering CFB as being the NFL's minor leagues), the odds that he could have succeeded in baseball at anywhere near the same degree as he has in football are extremely remote.

I have no doubt that Russell, too, took note of these same facts, accepted them as the truth, and as we have seen him do so often on the field, made the smart decision.