kalibane wrote:Future,
If you weren't making the case that the return of Williams and Dorsey were going to bolster your defensive I wouldn't be talking about how much dynamism they lack. They have been serviceable to good. Not bad. But in the context of a 3-4 (not that they'd make a big difference in the 4-3 either) NONE of those guys is going to have the type of impact that will reshape the defense like say Haloti Ngata or Casey Hampton. Even Hampton wasn't all that dynamic but he was far more impactful than any of your nose tackles are. They are damn near replacement level talent. You talking up Dorsey and Ian Williams would be like me hypothetically saying "Just wait until Tony McDaniels gets back"... Dude stop. We wouldn't be talking about this in the first place if you weren't continuing to bring up Dorsey and Williams like them coming back are going to represent some kind of massive upgrade. You don't even see us talking about how Mebane is going to make a big impact on our defense and he's measurably better in that two gap role than any of your guys.
And please don't deign to tell me what I do and don't know about your roster. YOU were the one who brought up Ahmad Brooks in this thread and citing him as an asset not me. My response was that Ahmad Brooks looks done, essentially conceding that Lynch will probably be starting. (If he's not that ain't good news) You are assuming Lynch is going to better than Brooks in a full time role based on his flash plays as a back up just like the Browns did with Paul Kruger Remind me how that worked out again? Or again to use a Seahawk example, it'd be like us pretending that Malcolm Smith was the next great inside LB because he played well in and replacing injured players.
And sorry bruh... it doesn't take half the season to round into form especially when you have no injuries. One or two games where he didn't show up fine... 7 games? He didn't miss two years... he missed 9 weeks and went through training camp so save that Jordan garbage. That's not rust and the implication that it was is completely laughable. And the funny thing is I never dismissed Aldon Smith (although the idea that he's the best pass rusher in a league where JJ Watt plays is pure hyperbole). I count Aldon Smith and Bowman (if his knee is good) as the two players that you do have that can be truly dynamic with Bethea (assuming he maintains last year's level of play) being another actual asset. Everywhere else is either nothing special, flat out bad or a question mark. And your depth is completely gutted. And again you LOST almost your entire coaching staff. Your new coordinator the "Mangenius" has never even produced a defense that ranked higher than 16 in the league in yards per game.
Like I said... in a league where the Cowboys did what they did last year... never say never but to project it happening based on the current state of your roster and coaching staff is just walking through life with a red and gold filter over everything.
Right now with your roster and no depth but assuming they get good coaching despite your DC following in the great tradition of overhyped coaches from NE who fell on their face after leaving I see the Niners ranking somewhere between 10-15 in team defense and your offense isn't going to be able to stay in games unless Hyde explodes.
At least Hyde exploding is in the realm of possibility unlike your previous jock riding of Kendall Hunter.... but that is ultimately what this boils down to. This is your pattern. You grab a bunch of young bench players pretend you have all this inside knowledge about them to claim they are just awesome players in waiting. We saw it with Kendall Hunter, Kyle Williams, Dan Skuta, that 2nd round WR that got traded to the Chiefs who I can't even remember. Now you're doing it with Aaron Lynch et. al... And if he is great but acting like people have faulty logic or taking the most negative view based on what we've seen to this point is just asinine there is not enough of a sample size to determine is Lynch is an asset or a downgrade from Brooks circa 2012/2013, although the safe bet is he's at least a slight downgrade.
P.S. It has not been lost on me how you just completely ignore the elephant in the room which is the loss of damn near your entire coaching staff. Going from Harbaugh to Tomsula is probably the biggest coaching downgrade of the year which is quite ironic considering your entire argument is based on player development.
And was I right, or wrong?? Did our D not end up in the top 5 again with players like Skuta, Willhoite, Tony Jerod Eddie et all playing significant time last year? I've never insinuated that these players are pro bowl level talent, ever. But christ dude, look up and down the league at all of the players that have left SF and either started or received huge contracts. Ricky Jean Franciou barely saw the field here, and he received a big pay day and now starts in Tennessee. Marcus Cooper didn't even make our team, and he started an entire season in KC. This
has been true, we have had an extremely deep team and I don't need to do much massaging to "make" anyone believe it. By the way, did you see Demarcus Dobbs out on the field in the SB this February in Seahawk Blue? Guess which team cut him?
I bring up Dorsey and Williams dude because we were starting our entire backup Dline rotation for a good portion of last year. So
YES, sorry, but having starters return that anchored what was clearly one of the top Ds in the entire league in 2013 is a big deal. Look at how bad your D tanked when you lost just a couple freaking players, and yet here you are yapping. I heard everyone from your own radio guys (when I visited) to ESPN talking about how much getter you D was with Wagner. And he's just a freaking middle line backer. Some of what you post is hard to believe, honestly.
You can hold your opinion on Aldon, that's fine. You'll find detractors for any great player. I can go to NFL.Com right now and find people claiming Aaron Rodgers is grossly overrated, that he can only function under X, Y and Z conditions, look at his 178 YD 2 Int performance in the Championchip game, etc. I take it with a grain of salt. I could tell Aldon was going to be a great player just by watching his film at Mizzou when we drafted him. Even if you ignored his production or discounted it completely because of who he plays with, it's fairly easy to see that he is a freak athlete with a ridiculous motor. It's not exactly a stretch to say he's one of the most dominant players in the NFL.
On Lynch, when have I ever asserted any of our backups had the potential that he does? Yes, Kendall Hunter is a quality backup that has broken off quite a few explosive runs and TDs. I never insinuated he's an all pro caliber player. He definitely
hasproven that he's a great change of pace back who can pick up yds and make big plays. If you deny that, you're denying reality. Those type of players do in fact make a huge difference in the overall performance of a team. Lynch is clearly a next level athlete though, and his ability was born out through the pressure that he brought last year. If not for questions about his character, it was widely acknowledged he'd have been a high 1st RD pick. If you want my prediction,
yes, "he" will be a star in this league. Not a Hunter or Skuta who are capable backups, but a star.
Last, who is ignoring the elephant in the room? I did in fact acknowledge our staff. I loved our former staff. But it's also a reality that our O had a near historically bad performance last yr in many facets. What I stated was, if our D performs at near the same level as it did last yr - and one would expect that with the net change on D - then we should be a better team. Why? Because
we should be better on O. It would be hard to be much worse than last yr. We have more speed on O now, more dynamic players, more options. On top of that, one would logically expect that a change in scheme from the stuck in quicksand antiquated temp/play calling to an O with pace and rhythm will help the O in some respects. It's hard to argue that it wouldn't.
You have an agenda, and I get it. You don't like our team, every player cannot do what he did in years past, everything good was a result of something else that cannot be duplicated, on and on. Remember, I heard this from most of your board in 2011, all yr. Then I read some of it in 2013 when we started 1-2. Because I
am a homer, I expect a SB contender. But even logically speaking, you look at the net losses and net gains and its a 10 win team at least.
Like I said, we will see!
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