Will Browner get a ring too?

[Steady_Hawk]

Just curious on this. He was certainly a big contributor as to the success of our season.

[FolkCrusader]

Of course he will, but he won't be able to participate in any sort of ceremony until he is off suspension.

[c_hawkbob]

What Crusader said; of course he will.

[burrrton]

Honest question: why would you think he might not get a ring?

[HumanCockroach]

Yep, why wouldn't he?

[NorthHawk]

Depending on what the team decides, I think he might also get voted a partial share of the playoff bonus money.
He played 8 games so 8/19 share?
Maxwell should give him his share because now everyone knows how good he is.

[HumanCockroach]

Wouldn't be surprised if they gave him a full share. The Hawks could have cut him if they had wanted after the suspension came out and didn't. Went on the reserved/ suspended list. Something tells me they fully intend to treat him well. Maybe they don't but from what I have seen, the players, staff and Seahawks organisation as a whole, feel like the penalty simply does not fit the crime, and they probably will treat it as such.

[Steady_Hawk]

Honest question: why would you think he might not get a ring?

I wasn't sure if the suspension affected getting a ring or playoff bonus money for that matter. I guess what I was asking is if the suspension punishes Browner past just missing time.

[burrrton]

Honest question: why would you think he might not get a ring?

I wasn't sure if the suspension affected getting a ring or playoff bonus money for that matter. I guess what I was asking is if the suspension punishes Browner past just missing time.

I see. I guess I knew that was the cause of your question- pretty sure you're either on the team or you're not, though, and he's definitely *on*.

[Distant Relative]

Honest question: why would you think he might not get a ring?

I wasn't sure if the suspension affected getting a ring or playoff bonus money for that matter. I guess what I was asking is if the suspension punishes Browner past just missing time.

I see. I guess I knew that was the cause of your question- pretty sure you're either on the team or you're not, though, and he's definitely *on*.[/quote]

Pretty sure he won't be next year.

[jshawaii22]

I think the players vote who gets full and partial shares of the SB $$$ as the team gets a pool of money to distribute based on a 53 man roster.

Not sure about the rings, as they are paid by the Team, not the NFL, but knowing how liberal our owner and team is, I would assume that he would have one mailed to his new home, which won't be in Seattle next year.

js

[Eaglehawk]

Of course he should get a ring.
He contributed to our little SB run.

Whatever the team wants to do with the SB compensation is fine with me as well. They know him better than we do. Agreed. For smoking some weed, the guy got nailed to the wall and potentially lost millions.
He should have known better, but still.

[jshawaii22]

I think we are all rooting for Brandon, but somehow I feel that the pot contributed to his downward play. Heavy use of Pot has the opposite effect of PED's.
He was not the same player at the start of this year. I believe he was far more than an occasional user and that's why the team had him busted.

js

[c_hawkbob]

I think we are all rooting for Brandon, but somehow I feel that the pot contributed to his downward play. Heavy use of Pot has the opposite effect of PED's.
He was not the same player at the start of this year. I believe he was far more than an occasional user and that's why the team had him busted.

js

Wow js, that post surprises me, I always thought of you as fairly level headed ...

There was no "downward play", he was always the same intense 100% effort guy on the field he ever was. He was never the cover corner Sherm was and was always prone to getting beat occasionally, but he never lost effectiveness. And I ain't for a second buying that "the team had him busted". I have no idea where that's even coming from.

[HumanCockroach]

What Bob said. Wow.... just wow. SMH

[jshawaii22]

Nothing about his 'effort' -- but, I think he led the team in D Penalties before he got hurt. The penalties, which were the holding variety, were to prevent opposing playing from running by/around him. This, to me, was due to losing a step from the year before. He looked slower and not as sharp.

Sorry, but a regular smoker would have this as a problem. Pot slows down your metabolism, if taken on a regular basis.

I watched the same games as everyone else. I think Lane was a BIG improvement. Didn't you? Would you of thought that a year ago? Or did Jeremy just suddenly get that much better? ... .No, I think Brandon was GREAT his first years here and slowed down.

js

[HumanCockroach]

Nothing about his 'effort' -- but, I think he led the team in D Penalties before he got hurt. The penalties, which were the holding variety, were to prevent opposing playing from running by/around him. This, to me, was due to losing a step from the year before. He looked slower and not as sharp.

Sorry, but a regular smoker would have this as a problem. Pot slows down your metabolism, if taken on a regular basis.

I watched the same games as everyone else. I think Lane was a BIG improvement. Didn't you? Would you of thought that a year ago? Or did Jeremy just suddenly get that much better? ... .No, I think Brandon was GREAT his first years here and slowed down.

js

First of all Lane did not replace Browner, Maxwell did, secondly, Browner led the Seahawks in those types of penalties when he was "better" according to you, thirdly, he was coming off an injury ( or have you forgotten that he was injured coming into the season), fourth, he aged, and every cornerback experiences slowing as they do, and Browner was never the fleetest of foot prior to creeping up on the thirty barrier, fifth, of COURSE Maxwell improved, it is what young players do. Fifth, had Browner not pulled his hamstring, he still would have been starting over Maxwell. That isn't to say I wanted him to be, or that he should have IMO, just that he would have been. Sixth Browner always had problems staying with fast receivers or have you simply chosen to ignore his issues the first couple years?

NONE of those factors point towards extended pot use, and a bulk of what you posted is simply put, inaccurate, or a reach at best. What Browner, did or does, has ZERO effect on what Maxwell does. He improved ( and wasn't bad to begin with), Browner slid ( a bit), trying to turn this into some sort of team conspiracy is stupid for numerous reasons. First of all they didn't need him to be busted to sit him, he was still valuable as depth at worst, they KEPT him on the team after getting busted, they gave him a RAISE coming into the season.

Your hypothesis is flawed in so many ways, it is ridiculous.

[jshawaii22]

Yes, it's all a guess. My hypothesis may be flawed to all of you, but I view what happened in those few weeks as a business decision for the team, not a personal thing. The team, maybe they heard a rumor or saw something they didn't like and looked for a way to deal with it.

With all the information in the last few months about how the NFL only tests once a year, early in the preseason, I would like to know how he and WTIII were busted in the middle of a year and why them? (Some of our contracts require pee tests and they are done in under 3-5 days to satisfy some of our clients. It doesn't take that long.) Why would the NFL wait or does it just take that long to work its way through their system. I don't know.

I think he passed the first test, that he knew was coming. Maybe the NFL didn't tell him he was in Phase II or whatever it was, but he failed another test that should of been taken within a few weeks of the suspension. This puts it into the first quarter of the season.

As for Brandon slowing down @28 years old vs. having some other reason to slow down... Could be, but physically, he should be at his peak right now. He's not 30 yet, which seems to be the magical age that the NFL bodies give out. I have no way to know If he was hurt coming into the year. I don't recall him being on the injured list at the start of the year.
I know he got hurt after the test came back positive the second time. That would have no bearing on this.

And, yes he should get a ring.

And yes, the team does benefit with a suspension over a demotion as it allows them to replace him on the roster, which they did.

Everyone can think I'm crazy and should F- off. Maybe it was a 'one-time' thing or whatever or you don't believe that smoking dope doesn't have a negative effect, but when you need to be at 100% peak both mentally and physically, pot will take that away and you may not even know it. And yes, that part of it I do know about. Pot is the State's flower out here. Far more common that alcoholism to have a person with a pot problem. As an employer, I've had to deal with it more than once. I've had to fire employees over it. I can spot it. I've lived it.

js

[NorthHawk]

I think we all agree about the negative effects, but the comment about the team having him busted is what I think most are speaking to. That brings a sinister element that I think many fans find hard to believe.

[HumanCockroach]

Yes, it's all a guess. My hypothesis may be flawed to all of you, but I view what happened in those few weeks as a business decision for the team, not a personal thing. The team, maybe they heard a rumor or saw something they didn't like and looked for a way to deal with it.

With all the information in the last few months about how the NFL only tests once a year, early in the preseason, I would like to know how he and WTIII were busted in the middle of a year and why them? (Some of our contracts require pee tests and they are done in under 3-5 days to satisfy some of our clients. It doesn't take that long.) Why would the NFL wait or does it just take that long to work its way through their system. I don't know.

I think he passed the first test, that he knew was coming. Maybe the NFL didn't tell him he was in Phase II or whatever it was, but he failed another test that should of been taken within a few weeks of the suspension. This puts it into the first quarter of the season.

As for Brandon slowing down @28 years old vs. having some other reason to slow down... Could be, but physically, he should be at his peak right now. He's not 30 yet, which seems to be the magical age that the NFL bodies give out. I have no way to know If he was hurt coming into the year. I don't recall him being on the injured list at the start of the year.
I know he got hurt after the test came back positive the second time. That would have no bearing on this.

And, yes he should get a ring.

And yes, the team does benefit with a suspension over a demotion as it allows them to replace him on the roster, which they did.

Everyone can think I'm crazy and should F- off. Maybe it was a 'one-time' thing or whatever or you don't believe that smoking dope doesn't have a negative effect, but when you need to be at 100% peak both mentally and physically, pot will take that away and you may not even know it. And yes, that part of it I do know about. Pot is the State's flower out here. Far more common that alcoholism to have a person with a pot problem. As an employer, I've had to deal with it more than once. I've had to fire employees over it. I can spot it. I've lived it.

js

Yes, your theory is flawed in so many ways, I'll stick with the basics. The NFL does NOT suspend a player immediately after a failed test, it can take up to or OVER a year for a suspension to be enforced, so your assumption that Thurmond and Browner failed a test right before the suspensions, is certainly just grasping at straws, Browner was NOT in stage 2, he was in stage three, and failed ONE prior test prior to being placed in it, as a Rookie, on another team, the only reason he was moved into stage two, and then into stage three is because of missed tests while he wasn't in the NFL. Browner being in stage three wasn't known about by the Seahawks or Browner ( hence him declining the reduced suspension, and the lawsuit that is going to happen should his appeal be declined). IF the Seahawks were "concerned " about it they would NOT have bumped his salary by 1.5 million dollars headed into the season, simply would not have done it. IF they were worried about replacing him on the roster, they could have done so at ANY point this season. IRing him ( as you should know he was injured at the time of the suspension) they could have VOIDED his contract and cut him ( actually saving money in the process) or simply done what they did. Any way you attempt to slice it, replacing him wasn't an issue, in fact after the suspension they kept on the roster, making it MORE difficult not less. They only moved him once his first appeal failed, meaning they WANTED him for the playoffs, why the F would they initiate the suspension if they wanted him?

You are grasping at straws. Through and through.

[Hawktown]

Nothing about his 'effort' -- but, I think he led the team in D Penalties before he got hurt. The penalties, which were the holding variety, were to prevent opposing playing from running by/around him. This, to me, was due to losing a step from the year before. He looked slower and not as sharp.

Sorry, but a regular smoker would have this as a problem. Pot slows down your metabolism, if taken on a regular basis. [/b]

I watched the same games as everyone else. I think Lane was a BIG improvement. Didn't you? Would you of thought that a year ago? Or did Jeremy just suddenly get that much better? ... .No, I think Brandon was GREAT his first years here and slowed down.

js

I hate to tell you but marijuana will speed up your metabolism, so your point holds ZERO water. The ONLY thing you will EVER find BAD about pot is smoke entering your lungs. http://www.ask.com/question/does-mariju ... metabolism

The people with drug or alcohol "problems", HAVE PROBLEMS TO BEGIN WITH!!!

The cannabis sativa/hemp plant is the most medically effective plant/medicine in the world and can CURE endless medical issues. it is not used by the big pharma because you cannot patent the plant. https://www.google.com/search?q=rick+si ... 2&ie=UTF-8

Please educate yourself before you knock this plant and quit taking CHEMICAL medicine!!! People talk about how bad it is to have our food fed with non organics and pesticides, why would you not question the pills you THINK help you??? go ahead and look up what your pills are made of and then look up what they cause to happen in your body. Look up the affects of the candida yeast alone from the pills. Pharma meds KEEP YOU SICK or at least will not cure you, it is an aspirin without a cure. I have seen this plant help people without effecting them negatively if used correctly and when you are not high, it will not affect you AT ALL!!! of course you will be slowed down when you ARE high.

Sorry for the medical rant fellow 12's! Your welcome to disagree if you wish but i do urge you to educate yourself.

RIP MY BROTHER XIITHMN!!! 2/7/14 GO HAWKS!!!

[Eaglehawk]

Excellent info.

Western medicine is set up to make you worse, if you note the side effects inherent with ever pill you take. Sure they sometimes work faster, and if I have to I will jump on whatever pill I need to take to get better.
However, I try to keep as organic/natural as possible here. Thank goodness you can buy some Eastern medicine easier here, cheaper as well, even ground down plants they put in pill form here. Companies here are dedicated to that in fact. They have stuff you take just before you get a cold that really works. Earaches, fevers as well. All from plants.

If they are fake, the CEO is executed. Have a nice day.

They don't allow pot for some reason here either, though I suspect that might change with time.

[FolkCrusader]

Nothing about his 'effort' -- but, I think he led the team in D Penalties before he got hurt. The penalties, which were the holding variety, were to prevent opposing playing from running by/around him. This, to me, was due to losing a step from the year before. He looked slower and not as sharp.

Sorry, but a regular smoker would have this as a problem. Pot slows down your metabolism, if taken on a regular basis. [/b]

I watched the same games as everyone else. I think Lane was a BIG improvement. Didn't you? Would you of thought that a year ago? Or did Jeremy just suddenly get that much better? ... .No, I think Brandon was GREAT his first years here and slowed down.

js

I hate to tell you but marijuana will speed up your metabolism, so your point holds ZERO water. The ONLY thing you will EVER find BAD about pot is smoke entering your lungs. http://www.ask.com/question/does-mariju ... metabolism

The people with drug or alcohol "problems", HAVE PROBLEMS TO BEGIN WITH!!!

The cannabis sativa/hemp plant is the most medically effective plant/medicine in the world and can CURE endless medical issues. it is not used by the big pharma because you cannot patent the plant. https://www.google.com/search?q=rick+si ... 2&ie=UTF-8

Please educate yourself before you knock this plant and quit taking CHEMICAL medicine!!! People talk about how bad it is to have our food fed with non organics and pesticides, why would you not question the pills you THINK help you??? go ahead and look up what your pills are made of and then look up what they cause to happen in your body. Look up the affects of the candida yeast alone from the pills. Pharma meds KEEP YOU SICK or at least will not cure you, it is an aspirin without a cure. I have seen this plant help people without effecting them negatively if used correctly and when you are not high, it will not affect you AT ALL!!! of course you will be slowed down when you ARE high.

Sorry for the medical rant fellow 12's! Your welcome to disagree if you wish but i do urge you to educate yourself.

RIP MY BROTHER XIITHMN!!! 2/7/14 GO HAWKS!!!

THC is also proven to be an immunosuppressant, which can be quite significant for certain illnesses.

I appreciate your passion for pot, and there is no doubt that it is therapeutically viable for lots of different patient conditions. It should be readily available for people that find it useful. But pot has not been shown to "cure" any medical condition in medical testing. It has been shown to be therapeutically useful, very key difference.

Additionally, your distaste for big pharma is not uncommon. Medicine is far from perfect, but it is based on scientific double blind testing to determine if something works or not. To me, this is quite different than a single personal recount of what he perceives cured him. In the later case there is no way to know exactly what happened. In a large double blind test, you know pretty darn well what happened. I have seen all sort of natural cures, eastern medicine, cleansers, vitamins, you name it. 99% of them do nothing. It just separating you from your money. Bottom line, if something really works who ever owns it will be running to the FDA to set up testing. If they don't test, it's usually BS.

[savvyman]

As far as the health crises in the west - most of the health crises is the result of our Western Diet and not the superiority/inferiority of one regions medical approach versus the other.

As far as big phrama goes - the decisions made by the drug makers have one driving criteria which is ROI or return on investment. The ideal drug is one that treats the symptoms of a disease that can never really be cured - therefore an individual will need a drug to cope with the disease for the rest of their life - When Big Pharma hit the jackpot on one of these drugs then they get a serious ROI (however in big pharma defense most drugs never make it to market and that's part of the reason why drugs can be so expensive until the generic versions come out a few years later - the cost of all the failed drugs are rolled into the the successful ones.

Now one area that is being neglected by the big drug companies is in the area of anti-biotics.

Recently the best show on Television - Frontline (The show that broke the story a few months ago on the NFL front office hiding their knowledge for 10 years of the CTE brain injuries suffered by players from too many concussions) - devoted their show to the story of an anti-biotic catastrophe that could be approaching because the big pharma companies are abandoning the research and development of new anti-biotics.

Why are they abandoning this? Because there is no ROI on anti-biotics - Anti-biotics are a one and done use - and for Big Pharma that is a lousy product - Unfortunately as Frontline investigates in this excellent report - their can be catastrophic results from nightmere bacteria that kill in the future because of this money only decision making process by big pharma and their reluctance to develop new anti-biotics:

Link to the show is below for those interested and with 50 minutes to kill.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/hunting-the-nightmare-bacteria/

[Hawktown]

Great info guys! Its not just pot i think is the "cure" or a great treatment for so many things, so much more goes into a good healthy diet free of chemicals and sugars. so many natural ways to treat ailments without taking chemical drugs packed full of thing we don't know about that are harmful to us. I appreciate the educational perspectives of all on these subjects as I am searching for the healthiest lifestyle for me and the fam! GO HAWKS!

[depaashaas]

Looks like he did get one and some money too

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... bowl-ring/

[burrrton]

I was just coming in to link that story (from another source):

http://fansided.com/2014/02/22/seattle- ... bowl-ring/

Doesn't sound like it was the given I assumed it to be.