Seantrel Hendersen

[Seahawks4Ever]

This guy seems like another Moffitt, a guy who will give up because he doesn't really love the sport of football. Moffitt of course quit after he had a few pro bucks in his wallet who knows if this guy will even make it on to a team.

BUT, he is a great physical specimen and if we could sign him as an UDFA maybe it would be worth it to take a flyer on him. notice the article mentions that Cable was there to look him over and hopefully get into his head to see how bad he really wants it. maybe draft him in the 6th. or 7th. round if he drops. I wouldn't waste anything higher unless he really really impresses Schneider and Cable, though Cable has been fooled before.


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Miami OT Seantrel Henderson quits pro day workout; agent says he was dehydrated

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Eric Edholm
By Eric Edholm
3 hours ago

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Could this push Henderson out of the draft altogether?

NFL teams will need a darned good answer to what happened Thursday if this report is true. If there was the matter of an injury, or if he had some major personal distraction, it's possible that a few teams will look past this.

Henderson's camp has responded. Agent David Levine told the Miami Herald that Henderson "did not quit" the workout but rather that dehydration was the reason he could not finish. Levine said that Henderson met with New York Giants GM Jerry Reese after the workout and also met with the offensive line coaches of the Bengals, Seahawks and Jets as well.

[PasadenaHawk]

That is a seriously large dude! Hard to say if he has a good attitude or not.

[Hawkstar]

Wow, he's a monster. Even with his poor showing at his pro day and the scrapes during his time in Miami, I bet he's gone before the 3rd round. For his sake, I hope he lands a decent situation for him and pulls it together.

[NorthHawk]

Some time around January, I read a report that brought up Henderson's desire to play.
It struck me because they said if he had a lot more desire he would be a sure 1st round pick, but they didn't see him going until mid rounds at best.

I can't see him fitting in with a team that stresses getting better every game and every day along with competition for every position.

[Zorn76]

Eh, there's no reason to take any kind of risk on a guy like this, unless were talking a late round pick.

Any hint of "lack of desire" or "effort" shouldn't be messed with, particularly at this juncture for our OL's future. We don't have time to mess around with somebody's day in/day out motivation, especially when there are other players who would KILL to play on the Seahawks to protect RW.

[HumanCockroach]

I have little issue with this front office gambling on a player in the later rounds, you don't spend an early pick on the guy, but rounds 5 through 7 it certainly could be worth it. Carroll and Schneider have certainly shown the desire in the past to do so, and while they all haven't worked out, most have. There is the aspect of taking someone not 100% dedicated to playing the sport at his highest level, and placing him in a locker room with 52 other guys that ARE and seeing if the work ethic actually changes their work ethic and habits....

[NorthHawk]

I'd rather they take a flyer on someone who is willing to work hard in the Off Season.
Apparently he got sick in both the Sr Bowl and at either the combine or his Pro Day.
If someone's not willing to get in good enough shape to make it through his biggest job interview, then I wouldn't want to use a draft pick on him.

UFA maybe because it costs us relatively nothing.

[HumanCockroach]

Ugh. Make up your mind North. In the Simon thread your theory was that Thurmond wouldn't be drafted or on the team if he was a "shirker" of hard work ( yet there was indeed information from a trainer that is exactly what he was prior to being drafted) , you were upset with them not turning every stone for weeks on the O-line( and here is a stone to be turned, and in an area you are terrified has been ignored), and now you got an issue with a late round pick of a guy who was thought to be a fringe first round talent being picked late because he was sick senior bowl week and was shut down because of dehydration during his pro day ( granted both could be and are likely cover IMHO)? Are you consistent in anything?

Got no issue with not wanting the guy, just seems like you are playing both sides of the fence quite a bit here. I have no idea if the guy would work out, however, if he has ability, is talented, and the worst you have to risk is a late round pick, to possibly upgrade an area of concern ( and would certainly fit into the. "Throw sh!te at the wall and see if it sticks" theory many have been yammering away at for weeks now) at least that sh!te doesn't cost what many were willing, nay, advocating just a few short days ago.

The draft IS a gamble, from top to bottom, gambling a 7th rounder seems alright to me.

[NorthHawk]

I think I was pretty straight forward in saying I wouldn't want to waste a draft pick on him.
If you can't get that from my comment, I can't help you.

[RiverDog]

If all we are talking about is a 7th rounder, I don't mind taking a shot on him. As deep as our roster is, not many 7th rounders are likely to make the team anyway, so why not take a chance?

[PasadenaHawk]

If he is still there in the 7th, sure. Like River said, not likely anyone lese in that round will make the team anyway so why not. 5th round, not so sure.

[monkey]

I think I was pretty straight forward in saying I wouldn't want to waste a draft pick on him.
If you can't get that from my comment, I can't help you.

You were clear that you didn't want this guy, and you were also clear that the front office just isn't working hard enough for you...it seems like you are holding a standard that cannot be met.
He got what you were saying, apparently you missed what he was getting at?
His point was that, first you whined that the front office isn't turning over every leaf, then when they do, (Cable meeting with Seantrel) you turn up your nose at what they found, like it's spoiled meat.
If you want to look under every rock, then you'd better be prepared to see a lot of maggots.

[NorthHawk]

I think I was pretty straight forward in saying I wouldn't want to waste a draft pick on him.
If you can't get that from my comment, I can't help you.

You were clear that you didn't want this guy, and you were also clear that the front office just isn't working hard enough for you...it seems like you are holding a standard that cannot be met.
He got what you were saying, apparently you missed what he was getting at?
His point was that, first you whined that the front office isn't turning over every leaf, then when they do, (Cable meeting with Seantrel) you turn up your nose at what they found, like it's spoiled meat.
If you want to look under every rock, then you'd better be prepared to see a lot of maggots.

Sure you can look under all rocks, but you don't always find what you are looking for and I hope they don't select him. Am I not permitted to my opinion of potential players or is that respect reserved for you and those who agree with you?
Cable working out Henderson is something I expect them to do. I would expect them to do that with some FA's along the OL, too but that hasn't happened in the last few years.

Are you suggesting I think we should draft or sign just anyone? I have never said that - and it would be stupid to do so.
That would be like me suggesting you think the OL is just fine as it is and doesn't need to be improved. That being rated and performing at a bottom quarter level of the NFL is just ducky.

I know you don't think that, and I'm not about to say you think we shouldn't select OL in the draft, either. I don't play the game of putting words in others mouths.

What I have said and believe is we have spent far more on DL than OL - over the previous 2 (now 3) Free Agencies and 2 Drafts. That can't be denied. They have apparently been scouring the prospects for DL, but we haven't seen the same for OL. Why not?

If you look at their selections on the OL - except for the oft injured Okung, they don't have much a track record on that front. Is it because of inability, lack of focus, bad scouting, or do they not value OL to the same degree? I don't know why, but we can all see the OL hasn't much improved in the last 2 or 3 years, if at all.

[HumanCockroach]

It can be denied, and has been PROVEN North. There's a difference between being unhappy with the situation and pretending like it was just "ignoring" something that got us to this point. Nothing wrong with not wanting the guy, but as usual on this topic, you continue to PRETEND that there were all these options they whiffed on, and there simply wasn't no matter what amount of denial you want to throw out there.

Much rather that player cost a 7th, and flame out ( costing the Seahawks little more than minor draft capitol, and minor salary cap space) then dump a ton of cheddar on the MEDIOCRE performers you continue to believe were the answer to all the Seahawks ills on the o-line, costing them NECESSARY space to resign players like Bennett, Thomas, Sherman and Wilson. Fundamental difference in how some of us believe in winning, and winning LONG term. When the Seahawks FIND a lineman they want, they draft him or sign him, or retain him, and that is undeniable, they don't always work out the way they want, but they do indeed do it ( Unger, Okung, Giacomini, Mcquistan, Carpenter, Moffitt, Sweezy, hell there are quite a few others like Polumbus that were brought in) when they aren't worth the cost as compared to their play, they are allowed to leave, or are cut or traded. Just because you don't like where they are, doesn't mean those moves aren't happening OR that they aren't trying. 2 lineman were signed THIS off season, as opposed to ZERO other teams FA's for a D-line that lost two starters. You don't like them, but that is irrelevant.

[HumanCockroach]

I think I was pretty straight forward in saying I wouldn't want to waste a draft pick on him.
If you can't get that from my comment, I can't help you.

You were clear that you didn't want this guy, and you were also clear that the front office just isn't working hard enough for you...it seems like you are holding a standard that cannot be met.
He got what you were saying, apparently you missed what he was getting at?
His point was that, first you whined that the front office isn't turning over every leaf, then when they do, (Cable meeting with Seantrel) you turn up your nose at what they found, like it's spoiled meat.
If you want to look under every rock, then you'd better be prepared to see a lot of maggots.

Exactly.

[NorthHawk]

[quote="HumanCockroach"]It can be denied, and has been PROVEN North. There's a difference between being unhappy with the situation and pretending like it was just "ignoring" something that got us to this point. Nothing wrong with not wanting the guy, but as usual on this topic, you continue to PRETEND that there were all these options they whiffed on, and there simply wasn't no matter what amount of denial you want to throw out there.

Much rather that player cost a 7th, and flame out ( costing the Seahawks little more than minor draft capitol, and minor salary cap space) then dump a ton of cheddar on the MEDIOCRE performers you continue to believe were the answer to all the Seahawks ills on the o-line, costing them NECESSARY space to resign players like Bennett, Thomas, Sherman and Wilson. Fundamental difference in how some of us believe in winning, and winning LONG term. When the Seahawks FIND a lineman they want, they draft him or sign him, or retain him, and that is undeniable, they don't always work out the way they want, but they do indeed do it ( Unger, Okung, Giacomini, Mcquistan, Carpenter, Moffitt, Sweezy, hell there are quite a few others like Polumbus that were brought in) when they aren't worth the cost as compared to their play, they are allowed to leave, or are cut or traded. Just because you don't like where they are, doesn't mean those moves aren't happening OR that they aren't trying. 2 lineman were signed THIS off season, as opposed to ZERO other teams FA's for a D-line that lost two starters. You don't like them, but that is irrelevant.[/quote]

Lets look at who we picked up the last 2 years and deny these facts.
2012 Draft
OL
Sweezy 7th

DL
Irvin 1st
Howard 4th
Scruggs 7th

2013 Draft
OL
Seymour 7th
Bowie 7th

DL
Hill 3rd
Williams 4th
Powell 7th
Smith 7th

Totals
OL
3 7th round selections

DL
1 1st round
1 3rd round
2 4th round
3 7th round

Free Agent Signings
2012
OL
Deuce Lutui
Frank Omiyale
Brent Osborne

DL
Jason Jones
Pierre Allen
Adrian Taylor
John Graves

2013
OL
??

DL
Tony McDaniel
Cliff Avril
Michael Bennett

Who were they after in FA this year?
Henry Melton
Jared Allen

Yah, it looks like they are really looking to shore up the weakest part of the team.
My mistake.

[Eaglehawk]

Eh, there's no reason to take any kind of risk on a guy like this, unless were talking a late round pick.

Any hint of "lack of desire" or "effort" shouldn't be messed with, particularly at this juncture for our OL's future. We don't have time to mess around with somebody's day in/day out motivation, especially when there are other players who would KILL to play on the Seahawks to protect RW.

+1

[HumanCockroach]

Not going to provide the list for you again North. You have IGNORED multiple picks of O-lineman, extensions, free agent pick ups again in your list. ( ie 2 offensive lineman just this season ignored, the re- signing of 3 offensive lineman during your SELECTED time frame, the drafting of multiple lineman like Carpenter and Moffitt, or Okung, signing of Giacomini, McQuistan, Polumbus etc) there is a hell of a lot more there than you are willing to acknowledge. More not less high draft picks spent on that unit ( wasn't it You that was dismissing Bowie; and Sweezy because they were late round picks? Yep, it was) and NOW you want to "add" those late round fliers to "prove" your point? A point that isn't accurate, and has been shown to be false repeatedly?

Like I said, the amount of denial you want to throw at it is up to you, you're doing a fantastic job at doing so, but you simply aren't proving anything but the amount of ignoring you personally are doing when claiming it.

[NorthHawk]

Not going to provide the list for you again North. You have IGNORED multiple picks of O-lineman, extensions, free agent pick ups again in your list. ( ie 2 offensive lineman just this season ignored, the re- signing of 3 offensive lineman during your SELECTED time frame, the drafting of multiple lineman like Carpenter and Moffitt, or Okung, signing of Giacomini, McQuistan, Polumbus etc) there is a hell of a lot more there than you are willing to acknowledge. More not less high draft picks spent on that unit ( wasn't it You that was dismissing Bowie; and Sweezy because they were late round picks? Yep, it was) and NOW you want to "add" those late round fliers to "prove" your point? A point that isn't accurate, and has been shown to be false repeatedly?

Like I said, the amount of denial you want to throw at it is up to you, you're doing a fantastic job at doing so, but you simply aren't proving anything but the amount of ignoring you personally are doing when claiming it.

The draft is the draft and my list was the result. You can't change history, it's on record.
I'm talking about improving the OL the last 2 years since we saw Carpenter and Moffitt were flops - you are talking about re-signing players - I'm talking about adding and improving like they do on the DL.
The quality of picks is telling. The comparative quality of FA signings or those they have recently courted also says something.

I took a quick look at Green Bay and I can see how it might be the plan if JS follows Thompson's formula.
Their OL hasn't been great, either. The year they won the SB, they were pretty good, but they let it slide as of late and now are left with an OL that isn't as good as it might be. The difference in the teams is their Defense hasn't very good, either so they have had to rely on Rodgers to overcome the up until late last year deficient run game.

Maybe that's just the way they want to do things here.
I hope not because we could be a real juggernaut if the Offense becomes as dominating as the Defense. Or even just improves enough to be able to properly protect Wilson and singlehandedly win games.

[HumanCockroach]

No one on this board "knew" Carpenter and Moffitt were "busts" after half a season, simply put, that is an ENORMOUS reach and fabrication, as for the improvement in o-line play, I continue to ask for NAMES of those that were improvements that could have been drafted instead, and no one ( with the exception of RD explaining a sorry lineman from another team might have been great on the Seahawks for some reason) has provided a NAME of that player that should have been drafted.

As for the throwing out of lineman signed and re signed during that span because they were free agents not picks, please explain to me how you are using free agent d lineman as a barometer for the ignoring of the o-line, and then turning and saying that the draft is history and irrefutable? Both sides of the fence again North. NO starters remain that weren't brought in by this front office ( or at least play the same position if you are going to attempt to throw Unger in as a "starter" that remains, though even he had to be signed by this FO).

As for the offensive Juggernaut theory, name the last one to win a SB? Without a defense, no matter how good that offense is, they aren't doing so, that has been shown over and over again, if you haven't grasped it by now, I can't help you.

[NorthHawk]

Carpenter was drafted in 2011. He washed out at RT and struggled at OG after part way through his 2nd year. That
Moffitt was drafted the same year.
They were selected and expected to start and fill holes. Instead we ended up with McQuistan and Breno starting ahead of both.
RD was saying Carpenter was a bust early. I wanted to give him time to adjust, but in retrospect RD was correct. I can't imagine the coaching staff and FO not being able to see what RD could, but apparently they chose to let it go to see how it turned out.

I can only infer from your comments that you believe there were no OL worthy of upgrading our OL in 2 drafts or FA.
Other teams were able to do so. We weren't. What's the reason?
Could it be philosophy, inability to identify players, too much belief in Cable?
I don't know, but it is what it is and the facts show little effort was made to upgrade.

[HumanCockroach]

Again, name the player, name the team he upgraded, name the player the Seahawks do without, weigh how much that player means to this team on their SB run, and whether missing that player effects whether they win it, tell me how that player upgrades the line, and how that player fits into this system, and even IF you do ALL of that, there is simply NO way to profess it would have happened as you say. You are LIVING in hypotheticals, I'm a realist, I deal in what I know, and see, not what I wish. Until you can see the problem for what it IS instead of pretending like their was some sort of quick fix to be had, we are just spinning our wheels on this.

Do I believe there was an improvement to be had? Sure MAYBE. Do I believe they win the SB without the players you lament drafting or signing on the D-line? No, probably not ( at least in regards to many of them). Do I believe they have "ignored" the O-line? Absolutely not. Do I believe this FO s better at evaluating than those on this board that don't like their picks or fret about not being offensive juggernauts? Positively, absolutely 100%. Can they "sustain" this success because they didn't dump raft capitol and money on players NO ONE can claim is an "upgrade" ( at least not in any realistic non conjecture way)? Absolutely. Do I believe Wilson is going to get "hurt" because of the lineman? Possibly, however that goes for EVERY o-line in the NFL.

Simply NOT going to nit pick the SB champs because I think I know better. You and those that agree with that position are welcome to it, but I simply will not look back with hindsight and profess to have known all along. People ( all people) have bias' in regards to picks, and how the team moves forward, whether RD claimed it or not, really is NOT relevant to the subject at hand, he didn't like the pick, and the onus for his dislike was his weight coming into camp ( which is no longer an issue). Pretend as you might that they "should have known" the truth is it takes more than 2 injury ravaged seasons. To see what a player will become, for coaching staffs as well as fans ( and yeah that includes. ALL of us).

[Eaglehawk]

This guy seems like another Moffitt, a guy who will give up because he doesn't really love the sport of football. Moffitt of course quit after he had a few pro bucks in his wallet who knows if this guy will even make it on to a team.

BUT, he is a great physical specimen and if we could sign him as an UDFA maybe it would be worth it to take a flyer on him. notice the article mentions that Cable was there to look him over and hopefully get into his head to see how bad he really wants it. maybe draft him in the 6th. or 7th. round if he drops. I wouldn't waste anything higher unless he really really impresses Schneider and Cable, though Cable has been fooled before.


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Miami OT Seantrel Henderson quits pro day workout; agent says he was dehydrated

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Eric Edholm
By Eric Edholm
3 hours ago

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Could this push Henderson out of the draft altogether?

NFL teams will need a darned good answer to what happened Thursday if this report is true. If there was the matter of an injury, or if he had some major personal distraction, it's possible that a few teams will look past this.

Henderson's camp has responded. Agent David Levine told the Miami Herald that Henderson "did not quit" the workout but rather that dehydration was the reason he could not finish. Levine said that Henderson met with New York Giants GM Jerry Reese after the workout and also met with the offensive line coaches of the Bengals, Seahawks and Jets as well.

Sea4Ever thanks for the thread!
Never heard of this guy. May make it to the hawks but then he may not. Seems to be some confusion regarding whether he walked out or communicated with others that he was stopping due to dehydration. Either way, in my opinion its probably not enough to stop a team from looking at him seriously.