Rusell Wilson is Being Greedy and Selfish and..............

[savvyman]

Stupid.

Two months ago I was the first to bring up what I thought was going to be a very difficult roadblock or giant obstacle in these negotiations - And that obstacle was how his agent would use Russell Wilson contract to expand his agency from Baseball to NFL Football players.

See my two posts below from two months ago on this topic - Page 5

http://www.hawkshack.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1372&hilit=agent&start=160


Today by all reports - and there are a number of them - Russell and his agent is asking for sky high money that will cripple the Salary Cap structure of the team and its ability to field a championship quality team. Furthermore - Russell and his agent is asking for a type of guarantee money that no NFL team has granted to a player yet - if the Seahawks were to agree to this guarantee it would cause reverberations on not only all future contracts but the past contracts of their other star players like Sherman, Thomas, Chancellor.

This is hardly the behavior of an "Un-selfish Team Player" which is how everyone used to view Russell and why the public had so much affection for him - well that and he wins games too.

Now - today thanks to Russell agent using Russell as his tool to expand his agency to a new market - by trying to negotiate the greediest contract in NFL history - which will make his agency look good to both current and future NFL players - and therefore more millions for Him - His demands for the greediest contract for Russell Wilson in NFL history that will benefit his business in the future is destroying the image of Russell Wilson with the General Public in the present and perhaps forever..

See the latest Russell WIlson Poll - and note that in the prior month Russell Wilson had a higher favorability rating than Mother Theresa, The Tooth Fairy & Santa Claus:


http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/fridays-poll-has-your-opinion-of-russell-wilson-changed/


I believe that Russell Wilson will probably end up with a higher contract with either the Seahawks or another team by using these hardball tactics than he would have by accepting Aaron Rodgers type money and signing with the Hawks now (and apparently that does not address the Guarantee condition that no NFL team has agreed to but Russell and his agent are demanding)

However - the cost to Russell in getting these extra 3-4 million per year will be an serious impact to his image with the public that will affect his off the field earnings - by what amount that is it is hard to speculate.

So in the end Russell WIlson is being Stupid by allowing his new agent to destroy his image - and make him look like another "Phony" with the general public (btw - personally I do not think Russell is a Phony) all so that his Agent can establish a new market for Business that will bring him future NFL players and many millions more.

Note - I am not blaming this situation on Russell's agent and his motivations - I blame this on Russell for entrusting this person and allowing him to influence his decision making and not seeing the obvious conflict of interest that I pointed out two months ago as noted in the link above.

So in the end Russell Wilson is being Selfish & Greedy &.......... very Stupid.

[NorthHawk]

You already have a thread on the same topic.
Why do you need another one?

[Anthony]

Stupid.

Two months ago I was the first to bring up what I thought was going to be a very difficult roadblock or giant obstacle in these negotiations - And that obstacle was how his agent would use Russell Wilson contract to expand his agency from Baseball to NFL Football players.

See my two posts below from two months ago on this topic - Page 5

http://www.hawkshack.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1372&hilit=agent&start=160


Today by all reports - and there are a number of them - Russell and his agent is asking for sky high money that will cripple the Salary Cap structure of the team and its ability to field a championship quality team. Furthermore - Russell and his agent is asking for a type of guarantee money that no NFL team has granted to a player yet - if the Seahawks were to agree to this guarantee it would cause reverberations on not only all future contracts but the past contracts of their other star players like Sherman, Thomas, Chancellor.

This is hardly the behavior of an "Un-selfish Team Player" which is how everyone used to view Russell and why the public had so much affection for him - well that and he wins games too.

Now - today thanks to Russell agent using Russell as his tool to expand his agency to a new market - by trying to negotiate the greediest contract in NFL history - which will make his agency look good to both current and future NFL players - and therefore more millions for Him - His demands for the greediest contract for Russell Wilson in NFL history that will benefit his business in the future is destroying the image of Russell Wilson with the General Public in the present and perhaps forever..

See the latest Russell WIlson Poll - and note that in the prior month Russell Wilson had a higher favorability rating than Mother Theresa, The Tooth Fairy & Santa Claus:


http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/fridays-poll-has-your-opinion-of-russell-wilson-changed/


I believe that Russell Wilson will probably end up with a higher contract with either the Seahawks or another team by using these hardball tactics than he would have by accepting Aaron Rodgers type money and signing with the Hawks now (and apparently that does not address the Guarantee condition that no NFL team has agreed to but Russell and his agent are demanding)

However - the cost to Russell in getting these extra 3-4 million per year will be an serious impact to his image with the public that will affect his off the field earnings - by what amount that is it is hard to speculate.

So in the end Russell WIlson is being Stupid by allowing his new agent to destroy his image - and make him look like another "Phony" with the general public (btw - personally I do not think Russell is a Phony) all so that his Agent can establish a new market for Business that will bring him future NFL players and many millions more.

Note - I am not blaming this situation on Russell's agent and his motivations - I blame this on Russell for entrusting this person and allowing him to influence his decision making and not seeing the obvious conflict of interest that I pointed out two months ago as noted in the link above.

So in the end Russell Wilson is being Selfish & Greedy &.......... very Stupid.

So now all you need to do is prove all this conjecture once again. NO place does Wilson, his Agent or the Hawks confirm any of this. NO place so you are doing what he media want you to do believing is speculation and assumption. Congrats you are now a mindless drone.

[savvyman]

You already have a thread on the same topic.
Why do you need another one?

1. Because I have expanded on the Topic from Russell being Selfish & Greedy to how Russell is also being Stupid with his approach to his next contract - as I show in quite the detail on the opening post.

2. Because I am adding additional Insight into the real agenda's behind this bargaining that is and has been going on between Russell, his Agent and the Seahawk's front office - Insightful analysis that no one else has identified and detailed in the press like I have on this post - exclusively for the Shack.

[savvyman]

So now all you need to do is prove all this conjecture once again. NO place does Wilson, his Agent or the Hawks confirm any of this. NO place so you are doing what he media want you to do believing is speculation and assumption. Congrats you are now a mindless drone.

LOL.

Poor Anthony - This situation is really tough on you.

[NorthHawk]

="NorthHawk"]You already have a thread on the same topic.
Why do you need another one?


1. Because I have expanded on the Topic from Russell being Selfish & Greedy to how Russell is also being Stupid with his approach to his next contract - as I show in quite the detail on the opening post.

2. Because I am adding additional Insight into the real agenda's behind this bargaining that is and has been going on between Russell, his Agent and the Seahawk's front office - Insightful analysis that no one else has identified and detailed in the press like I have on this post - exclusively for the Shack.

This could still have been included in the original thread as you've only added an irrelevant poll.

Be that as it may, if you don't think an Agent's job is to get the most for his client, you're delusional.
Nobody in Wilson's position would accept the first offer from a team regardless of who his agent is.
It's the negotiation process, the deal dance if you will, and there is more to come.
Relax and get used to it.

[Anthony]

LOL.

Poor Anthony - This situation is really tough on you.

Not at all you have no proof only conjecture so I am fine. IT appears to be tougher on you as you seem to be easily influenced by conjecture. ME I am fine and will wait and see.

[savvyman]

This could still have been included in the original thread as you've only added an irrelevant poll.

Be that as it may, if you don't think an Agent's job is to get the most for his client, you're delusional.
Nobody in Wilson's position would accept the first offer from a team regardless of who his agent is.
It's the negotiation process, the deal dance if you will, and there is more to come.
Relax and get used to it.

No - not when the Agent is destroying the Image & Brand of his client in the process with the General public is the Agent doing his job. Especially when his client was the most respected and admired athlete in the country. I would say that any agent who was doing this absolutely sucks at his job. I am no agent but I can assure you that I would never advise Russell to take the path that he has taken during these negotiations.

Go back and read my post from two months ago - Russell has been receiving advice from his agent that is NOT in his best interest. No good agent would allow a client with the Image that Russell Wilson has earned over the past 3 years to be destroyed so easily.

Russell was on his way to being this generation Michael Jordan as far as popularity and admiration from the public - No athlete anywhere had a greater respect and admiration from the public than Russell WIlson's - In 4 short months his agent - who is "ONLY doing what is best for Russell" (SARCASM) - has destroyed the Brand and image of Russell WIlson - I hardly call that doing a good job.

All of the advice he has given to Russell has been laced with a hidden agenda of promoting him and his agency in establishing their new market with NFL players. He knows that by getting the maximum amount of money along with any ground breaking guarantee clause that it will be big bucks for him and his agency in the future. And while he is doing this - Russell is the tool - or rather I should say the Fool - who will be paying the price as far as the loss of the respect and admiration from the public that he has worked so hard to build and has earned. Again for the umpteenth time - No good agent would allow this to happen to their client. By destroying his image, Russell future off the field earnings could be in jeopardy by the 10's of millions of dollars.

However - all the blame lies with Russell for choosing this joker to be his agent and allowing himself to be used in such a manner.

[NorthHawk]

You don't seem to realize that an agent's job is to get as much as possible.
After he signs he will be as popular as ever.
After all, we fans are a fickle bunch and nobody of note will remember these negotiations.

[Anthony]

No - not when the Agent is destroying the Image & Brand of his client in the process with the General public is the Agent doing his job. Especially when his client was the most respected and admired athlete in the country. I would say that any agent who was doing this absolutely sucks at his job. I am no agent but I can assure you that I would never advise Russell to take the path that he has taken during these negotiations.

Go back and read my post from two months ago - Russell has been receiving advice from his agent that is NOT in his best interest. No good agent would allow a client with the Image that Russell Wilson has earned over the past 3 years to be destroyed so easily.

Russell was on his way to being this generation Michael Jordan as far as popularity and admiration from the public - No athlete anywhere had a greater respect and admiration from the public than Russell WIlson's - In 4 short months his agent - who is "ONLY doing what is best for Russell" (SARCASM) - has destroyed the Brand and image of Russell WIlson - I hardly call that doing a good job.

All of the advice he has given to Russell has been laced with a hidden agenda of promoting him and his agency in establishing their new market with NFL players. He knows that by getting the maximum amount of money along with any ground breaking guarantee clause that it will be big bucks for him and his agency in the future. And while he is doing this - Russell is the tool - or rather I should say the Fool - who will be paying the price as far as the loss of the respect and admiration from the public that he has worked so hard to build and has earned. Again for the umpteenth time - No good agent would allow this to happen to their client. By destroying his image, Russell future off the field earnings could be in jeopardy by the 10's of millions of dollars.

However - all the blame lies with Russell for choosing this joker to be his agent and allowing himself to be used in such a manner.

Its actually not the agent destroying anything, but the media coming with conjecture and assumptions. And then some media drones buying it. point in case no were has the agent, wilson or the FO say he wanted to be hughest paid ever. However the medis sure did, and some bought it.[/b]

[RDave]

Being a Brit and living in England I'm not subjected to wall to wall coverage on the Wilson contract but I would make the following observations:

The job of the agent is to work in the clients best interest. It absolutely isn't (or shouldn't) be about getting the most $$$'s for him every time he negotiates a deal. The appeal of Wilson and his legacy stretches way beyond his playing days and if the agent (and Wilson) get this right he'll be cashing in for years. Even when he finishes with football and that should be his aim.

It helps Wilson no end if he's winning football games as well so he needs to be somewhere that gives him the best shot at this and there's nowhere better than Seattle for the next few years. Seattle and Wilson are a perfect fit and I don't see him slotting in and having the same success anywhere else so I honestly believe he wants to stay and will stay. The rest of it is the 'deal dance' as someone called it and is an inevitable (if a little damaging) part of the process that will be completely forgotten after 3 wins.

Not sure I can 'relax and get used to it' just yet though.

[Futureite]

Here is the thing; and I've made this point before. You all believe he is a top 5 QB. Look at the other top 5 QBs. They can ALL clearly carry their teams. Peyton, Aaron, Drew, Tom, etc. In any given yr, a no name receiver who plays with them may have a career yr. The success of their entire team is centered around their play. For that reason, they get paid. That's how it works.

If you believe Wilson is "that" guy, it's actually completely hypocritical and greedy to say he "shouldn't" take an upper level salary. There's no reason whatsoever that he shouldn't. And in theory, regardless of whether the Hawks lose some players, the entire team should still remain a competitive contender, just as the Packers have after Aaron's mega deal. Even look at the Ravens after they were gutted by Flaaco's contract. They're already back.

This is just how the market works. I am sure Paul Allen is doing just fine with the appreciation in value which Russell Wilson has caused to his asset. #1 in jersey sales, one of th he more popular athletes in this country right now. He deserves to get paid by his owner.

[NorthHawk]

Here is the thing; and I've made this point before. You all believe he is a top 5 QB. Look at the other top 5 QBs. They can ALL clearly carry their teams. Peyton, Aaron, Drew, Tom, etc. In any given yr, a no name receiver who plays with them may have a career yr. The success of their entire team is centered around their play. For that reason, they get paid. That's how it works.

If you believe Wilson is "that" guy, it's actually completely hypocritical and greedy to say he "shouldn't" take an upper level salary. There's no reason whatsoever that he shouldn't. And in theory, regardless of whether the Hawks lose some players, the entire team should still remain a competitive contender, just as the Packers have after Aaron's mega deal. Even look at the Ravens after they were gutted by Flaaco's contract. They're already back.

This is just how the market works. I am sure Paul Allen is doing just fine with the appreciation in value which Russell Wilson has caused to his asset. #1 in jersey sales, one of th he more popular athletes in this country right now. He deserves to get paid by his owner.

I doubt that is a negotiation ploy by the FO as it tends to create ill will on the player side and if it is their point of view, they would never say it.
However, two facts are in play.
1) This is a Defensive oriented team, those others you mentioned are not. It's how it was designed.
2) Wilson is the perfect QB for a team that doesn't consider pass blocking as a priority on the OL. Nobody else has that same skill set that uniquely fits our Offensive requirements.

When Lynch retires, there will be more pressure on Wilson to pick up the slack as those two players have been the only real players on Offense that Defenses had to worry about. Graham should help, but he will not be able to replace the ground game Lynch has provided.

Wilson will eventually get paid by Seattle. It's just a matter of time.

[Anthony]

I doubt that is a negotiation ploy by the FO as it tends to create ill will on the player side and if it is their point of view, they would never say it.
However, two facts are in play.
1) This is a Defensive oriented team, those others you mentioned are not. It's how it was designed.
2) Wilson is the perfect QB for a team that doesn't consider pass blocking as a priority on the OL. Nobody else has that same skill set that uniquely fits our Offensive requirements.

When Lynch retires, there will be more pressure on Wilson to pick up the slack as those two players have been the only real players on Offense that Defenses had to worry about. Graham should help, but he will not be able to replace the ground game Lynch has provided.

Wilson will eventually get paid by Seattle. It's just a matter of time.

Not to mention Wilson has proven he can carry the team when needed and allowed to, and do so with vastly inferior offensive talent around him in the passing game, ie Wr and pass protection compared to those other WBs.

[NorthHawk]

I'm not convinced he can do it himself without a run game based on Lynch and his tackle breaking totals.
It's a lot to ask of anyone including players like Rodgers.

[Anthony]

I'm not convinced he can do it himself without a run game based on Lynch and his tackle breaking totals.
It's a lot to ask of anyone including players like Rodgers.

Perhaps I should elaborate. If they do nothing to get him a decent pass blocking oline like Rodgers, Manning, Brady, and luck have, and or get him top WR corps like Rodgers, Luck, Manning and brady have then yes he needs that great RB. However if they can get him a top 15 pass blocking oline and a top 15 wr corps he can do it without a top RB. No QB does it by themselves. They either have a combination of great WR/te, great pass blocking or great RB. Up till this year we have only had the great RB. However given what he has done in the passing game with what little help he has had there is no reason to think if he had better WRs and protection he could not carry this team. He has shown when they let the cuffs off he can do it now.

[NorthHawk]

I think he could, too but our FO has shown no inclination to create a top OL or turn the Offense into something more than it currently is. When Lynch retires I expect a loss of production from that group as opposing Defenses will not have to key as much on the run game.

[Anthony]

I think he could, too but our FO has shown no inclination to create a top OL or turn the Offense into something more than it currently is. When Lynch retires I expect a loss of production from that group as opposing Defenses will not have to key as much on the run game.

Agreed which might be why they got graham, . maybe he is the first move towards giving Wilson what he will need for life after Lynch

[RiverDog]

"If you believe Wilson is "that" guy, it's actually completely hypocritical and greedy to say he "shouldn't" take an upper level salary. There's no reason whatsoever that he shouldn't. And in theory, regardless of whether the Hawks lose some players, the entire team should still remain a competitive contender, just as the Packers have after Aaron's mega deal. Even look at the Ravens after they were gutted by Flaaco's contract. They're already back.

"However, two facts are in play.
1) This is a Defensive oriented team, those others you mentioned are not. It's how it was designed.
2) Wilson is the perfect QB for a team that doesn't consider pass blocking as a priority on the OL. Nobody else has that same skill set that uniquely fits our Offensive requirements.

I couldn't have said it better myself. The dilemma for the Seahawks is that we are less dependent on having a great quarterback at the helm than almost any other team in the league, yet we are attempting to sign one of the better quarterbacks in the league that deserves to be paid at least within the top 5 at his position.

[Anthony]

I couldn't have said it better myself. The dilemma for the Seahawks is that we are less dependent on having a great quarterback at the helm than almost any other team in the league, yet we are attempting to sign one of the better quarterbacks in the league that deserves to be paid at least within the top 5 at his position.

I agree in theory, I would say we are less dependent on a traditional great QB, we are very dependent on a great QB just a duel threat QB, and once again unfortunately there are not many of them around either. For us we need a QB who is very mobile, can throw on the run, and can take over games when needed. These types of QBs are even fewer than traditional QBs.

[RiverDog]

I agree in theory, I would say we are less dependent on a traditional great QB, we are very dependent on a great QB just a duel threat QB, and once again unfortunately there are not many of them around either. For us we need a QB who is very mobile, can throw on the run, and can take over games when needed. These types of QBs are even fewer than traditional QBs.

Wow, I agree completely with Anthony.

So the problem is that we have a quarterback that has a unique skill set of which no other player in the league can equal yet he's not as critical to us as other quarterbacks are to their teams. Seems like an oxymoronic statement, doesn't it?

[Anthony]

Wow, I agree completely with Anthony.

So the problem is that we have a quarterback that has a unique skill set of which no other player in the league can equal yet he's not as critical to us as other quarterbacks are to their teams. Seems like an oxymoronic statement, doesn't it?

Yes as I said we are very dependent on that special dual threat QB, but unlike the traditional QB there are less of these dual threat QBs, I mean lets look at it;

Brady
Manning
Luck
Breese
E Manning
Roths
Wilson
Rodgers
Rivers
Ryan
Romo

So I hit most of the biggies. Of them non are the dual threat QB Wilson is. None have shown they can do it with the oline and wr corps like what we have(meaning lack of talent). So I guess were we disagree is I believe Wilson is essential/Critical to our success. I also have little doubt that Wilson could go to another team and be successful, as most teams have better olines and WR corps.

[RiverDog]

Yes as I said we are very dependent on that special dual threat QB, but unlike the traditional QB there are less of these dual threat QBs, I mean lets look at it;

Brady
Manning
Luck
Breese
E Manning
Roths
Wilson
Rodgers
Rivers
Ryan
Romo

So I hit most of the biggies. Of them non are the dual threat QB Wilson is. None have shown they can do it with the oline and wr corps like what we have(meaning lack of talent). So I guess were we disagree is I believe Wilson is essential/Critical to our success. I also have little doubt that Wilson could go to another team and be successful, as most teams have better olines and WR corps.

Mariota has a chance to become that type of quarterback. But he's stuck in Ken Whisenhunt's system, so I doubt we'll see him running a lot of read options.

[NorthHawk]

Mariota has to learn how to play within a Pro style Offense, specifically learn how to play under center.
That's one of the reasons Wilson was such a steal - he could play in any type of Offense and had been successful in 2 of them.
He also didn't make many mistakes with the ball while in College.

We know Mariota has the physical tools, but time will tell if he has the mental ones to go along with that.

[RiverDog]

Mariota has to learn how to play within a Pro style Offense, specifically learn how to play under center.
That's one of the reasons Wilson was such a steal - he could play in any type of Offense and had been successful in 2 of them.
He also didn't make many mistakes with the ball while in College.

We know Mariota has the physical tools, but time will tell if he has the mental ones to go along with that.

Agreed. Personally I think he has the ability to adapt, but we'll see. My point was that Whisenhunt tends to favor traditional pocket passing quarterbacks. The fact that he took Mariota rather than trade him for a boat load of picks/players tells me that they think he can adapt.

Russell was pro ready, no question. He's also a quick learner, demonstrated by the fact that he played in three different offenses (NC State, Wisconsin, Seahawks) in three years and was able to master each in very short order.

[Hawktawk]

Wilson set an all time Seahawks record for total offense in a thumping of AZ last year, very nearly rushing for 100 yards and passing for 400 as the Hawks rolled up almost 600 yards of offense. This against a defense that had not been beaten at home all season. He is the only man in NFL history to pass for 300 and rush for 100 last year against the Rams, very nearly overcoming an absolutely disastrous game by the defense and ST. He is also the only man to rush for 100 yards and pass for 200 on MNF in the 40+year history of the game. He holds the record for most TD passes first 2 seasons as well as wins in NFL history first 2 and 3 seasons.He has one of the highest totals of comeback wins in his first 3 years as well.He holds the record for greatest margin overcome in Hawks history and the record for passing yards by a rookie in a playoff game which he broke by 50 yards in the incredible comeback vs Atlanta when the defense was utterly horrible at the end wasting it.

Now explain what most of those records had to do with the defense? wins yes. But all those offensive records? Hardly. I think even the great Seahawks fans are underestimating the value of RW to this team, this offense, Marshawn Lynch. Lynch takes pressure off an offense for sure but having a guy who can house it from the QB position opens a few holes in the run game, especially out of the spread.Wilson makes enough unconventional plays turning DOA calls into first downs or TDs that I believe he is worth 3 to 4 wins a year on his own, hence the difference between 7-9 and 11-5, the swing his first year. RW would absolutely be able to carry this team offensively if asked and has, part of the reason Seattle hasn't been blown off the field in years. Somehow some way if Wilson is at the controls Seattle is right there at the end with a chance to win whether the defense is on or off.He has that "it" factor some body beautiful measurables guys never find.

IMO Wilson will be a HOF guy someday and I want him going in in Hawks blue.

Pay up Schneider.

[Anthony]

Mariota has a chance to become that type of quarterback. But he's stuck in Ken Whisenhunt's system, so I doubt we'll see him running a lot of read options.

I went with known QBs not rookies who have yet to play.

[Anthony]

Wilson set an all time Seahawks record for total offense in a thumping of AZ last year, very nearly rushing for 100 yards and passing for 400 as the Hawks rolled up almost 600 yards of offense. This against a defense that had not been beaten at home all season. He is the only man in NFL history to pass for 300 and rush for 100 last year against the Rams, very nearly overcoming an absolutely disastrous game by the defense and ST. He is also the only man to rush for 100 yards and pass for 200 on MNF in the 40+year history of the game. He holds the record for most TD passes first 2 seasons as well as wins in NFL history first 2 and 3 seasons.He has one of the highest totals of comeback wins in his first 3 years as well.He holds the record for greatest margin overcome in Hawks history and the record for passing yards by a rookie in a playoff game which he broke by 50 yards in the incredible comeback vs Atlanta when the defense was utterly horrible at the end wasting it.

Now explain what most of those records had to do with the defense? wins yes. But all those offensive records? Hardly. I think even the great Seahawks fans are underestimating the value of RW to this team, this offense, Marshawn Lynch. Lynch takes pressure off an offense for sure but having a guy who can house it from the QB position opens a few holes in the run game, especially out of the spread.Wilson makes enough unconventional plays turning DOA calls into first downs or TDs that I believe he is worth 3 to 4 wins a year on his own, hence the difference between 7-9 and 11-5, the swing his first year. RW would absolutely be able to carry this team offensively if asked and has, part of the reason Seattle hasn't been blown off the field in years. Somehow some way if Wilson is at the controls Seattle is right there at the end with a chance to win whether the defense is on or off.He has that "it" factor some body beautiful measurables guys never find.

IMO Wilson will be a HOF guy someday and I want him going in in Hawks blue.

Pay up Schneider.

To make it simple when compared to the AVG QB Wilson make sup for 5.73 wins a year which is 5th most amongst QBs, and doe snot take into account his running.

http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/bl ... /04/page/3

FYI take 5 wins off any year and we miss the playoffs let alone 5.73

[RiverDog]

Wilson set an all time Seahawks record for total offense in a thumping of AZ last year, very nearly rushing for 100 yards and passing for 400 as the Hawks rolled up almost 600 yards of offense. This against a defense that had not been beaten at home all season. He is the only man in NFL history to pass for 300 and rush for 100 last year against the Rams, very nearly overcoming an absolutely disastrous game by the defense and ST. He is also the only man to rush for 100 yards and pass for 200 on MNF in the 40+year history of the game. He holds the record for most TD passes first 2 seasons as well as wins in NFL history first 2 and 3 seasons.He has one of the highest totals of comeback wins in his first 3 years as well.He holds the record for greatest margin overcome in Hawks history and the record for passing yards by a rookie in a playoff game which he broke by 50 yards in the incredible comeback vs Atlanta when the defense was utterly horrible at the end wasting it.

Now explain what most of those records had to do with the defense? wins yes. But all those offensive records? Hardly. I think even the great Seahawks fans are underestimating the value of RW to this team, this offense, Marshawn Lynch. Lynch takes pressure off an offense for sure but having a guy who can house it from the QB position opens a few holes in the run game, especially out of the spread.Wilson makes enough unconventional plays turning DOA calls into first downs or TDs that I believe he is worth 3 to 4 wins a year on his own, hence the difference between 7-9 and 11-5, the swing his first year. RW would absolutely be able to carry this team offensively if asked and has, part of the reason Seattle hasn't been blown off the field in years. Somehow some way if Wilson is at the controls Seattle is right there at the end with a chance to win whether the defense is on or off.He has that "it" factor some body beautiful measurables guys never find.

IMO Wilson will be a HOF guy someday and I want him going in in Hawks blue.

Pay up Schneider.

It's one helluva lot easier to play quarterback when you have the league's top rated defense on your side than it is a defense that allows opponents to ring up 30 PPG.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Will the Seahawks make the playoffs without Wilson? -or- Could Wilson make the playoffs without the Seahawks? I don't think there is any team (i.e. those with the cap space to pay him) in the NFL where Wilson will have near the success as with the Seahawks, yet I don't think Seahawks can have as much success with just any quarterback. There aren't many teams in their prime like the Seahawks are, and I would think Wilson and his agent realize that. There's got to be a middle ground where both sides give a little.

[Anthony]

It's one helluva lot easier to play quarterback when you have the league's top rated defense on your side than it is a defense that allows opponents to ring up 30 PPG.

Its a lot easier to play defense when you know you have a guy who can bring you back if you screw up, or when you are only on the field 27 minutes a game on avg compared to say 33 minutes in say 2011. Or a lot easier to play defense when you have a top 10 scoring offense despite having the 24h ranked pass blocking oline, and bottom 10 wr corps. FYI I guess all QBs had it easy since no team gave up an avg of 30 points a game.

[Anthony]

Will the Seahawks make the playoffs without Wilson? -or- Could Wilson make the playoffs without the Seahawks? I don't think there is any team (i.e. those with the cap space to pay him) in the NFL where Wilson will have near the success as with the Seahawks, yet I don't think Seahawks can have as much success with just any quarterback. There aren't many teams in their prime like the Seahawks are, and I would think Wilson and his agent realize that. There's got to be a middle ground where both sides give a little.

well lets see if Denver does not keep Manning after this year there is 1, Chargers if they let Rivers walk, Rams in 2016, just to name a few not to mention it is not hard to make cap space. However lets look at 2017 since we will probably franchise him for 2016.

So as of now in 2017
Denver If no Manning
Rams, Skins, Cards, Eagles, Texans, Bills just to name a few all except maybe the Skins would have very good teams already. You see the problem is you think based on what we have now. What if Wilson went to a team with say a top 15 pass blocking oline and top 15 wr corps, say top the AFC which have less top defenses then the NFC. Now lets see Buff had the 32 defense, they have a top WR, and a great RB as well as a much better pass blocking oline. You really think he could not excel there? Only a blind person would think he would not excel there or in almost any place. Example Indy has a top 10 pass blocking oline, and a top 10 wr corps. Really think Wilson would not do well?> OF course he would. Instead of looking at what he has, ie Defense, and RB. Look at what he does not have and what a QB is judged by, He does not have a top Wr corps or pass blocking oline both instrumental to a QBs success. Also you a assuming those teams would not add around him, Maybe his first year they struggle but the 2nd or 3rd they could very well win an SB. What we do know is Wilson can run, he can scramble, he can make all the throws in and outside of the pocket, he is a leader and he is smart. Given all of that there is no chance he cannot go someplace else and be successful and only a blind person would think other wise.

[Futureite]

Northhawk;

Those are good points and I cannot disagree with them. Strictly from a business standpoint, it's hard to fault Wilson for wanting to get paid. Jimmy Kimmel made a good point about that in his interview of Wilson, when he eluded to the amount of money Wilson's made for Allen.

Also, regardless of the style of play, Wilson is a professional athlete and I gaurantee he believes he could do what Rodgers does if given the chance (I made the same point when we discussed Kap betting on himself). So, in Wilson's own mind, he believes he is worth $25 mil - and that's a very logical train of thought for a top level athlete. It's what you'd expect.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with Wilson taking max money if he can get it.

[RiverDog]

Northhawk;

Those are good points and I cannot disagree with them. Strictly from a business standpoint, it's hard to fault Wilson for wanting to get paid. Jimmy Kimmel made a good point about that in his interview of Wilson, when he eluded to the amount of money Wilson's made for Allen.

Also, regardless of the style of play, Wilson is a professional athlete and I gaurantee he believes he could do what Rodgers does if given the chance (I made the same point when we discussed Kap betting on himself). So, in Wilson's own mind, he believes he is worth $25 mil - and that's a very logical train of thought for a top level athlete. It's what you'd expect.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with Wilson taking max money if he can get it.

I agree with everything, except that I think Russell owes something to Pete Carroll and John Schneider, without whom he may not have seen the light of day. He owes them something.

[Hawktawk]

[quote="RiverDog"

I agree with everything, except that I think Russell owes something to Pete Carroll and John Schneider, without whom he may not have seen the light of day. He owes them something.[/quote]

RD Ive heard you say this several times and I dont know what you are basing your opinion on. #1 Wilson was going to come off the board soon after Seattle took him. #2He would have brought the same incredible work ethic,leadership, film study, instincts and athleticism to any team he was drafted by and would be starring for them now.He beat out a guy who had basically been anointed the starter and given a huge contract.The man has delivered an average of 12 wins a year and 2 Superbowl appearances in 3 years. Its PC and Schneider that owe Wilson.If you dont believe that after all that we have all seen the least 3 seasons you need to check your bifocals. Wilson is a stud 25 GMs in the league would drool to have under center.

[NorthHawk]

I think the only thing Wilson owes JS , PC, or the Seahawks is to give the best effort he can.
Pete has always said he will play those that give the team the best chance to win, so theoretically any player from a UFA to a 1st round pick has the same chance. It's up to the player to perform.

[jshawaii22]

Russell may be a lot of things to all of us fans and now he is surpassing Tim Tebow in the "God Spoke to Me" interview he just gave. Not sure what to think, but it's kind of scary. If I had just thrown an interception to lose the SB, I just don't know if I'd be talking to God at that moment. Blaming him... maybe, but talking to him?

js

[NorthHawk]

Russell may be a lot of things to all of us fans and now he is surpassing Tim Tebow in the "God Spoke to Me" interview he just gave. Not sure what to think, but it's kind of scary. If I had just thrown an interception to lose the SB, I just don't know if I'd be talking to God at that moment. Blaming him... maybe, but talking to him?

js

He's also said something to the effect that he's going to let God decide his contract.
Is his Agents name Godfrey?

[jshawaii22]

You mean we're all going to regret the day he fired Bus Cook and brought in God to lead him to the promised land?

[RiverDog]

RD Ive heard you say this several times and I dont know what you are basing your opinion on. #1 Wilson was going to come off the board soon after Seattle took him. #2He would have brought the same incredible work ethic,leadership, film study, instincts and athleticism to any team he was drafted by and would be starring for them now.He beat out a guy who had basically been anointed the starter and given a huge contract.The man has delivered an average of 12 wins a year and 2 Superbowl appearances in 3 years. Its PC and Schneider that owe Wilson.If you dont believe that after all that we have all seen the least 3 seasons you need to check your bifocals. Wilson is a stud 25 GMs in the league would drool to have under center.

You do not know that. All we know was that most of the projections had him going much later than the 3rd round. Your assumption is no better than those that claimed Bruce Irvin would have for sure gotten taken by the Jets had we not burned the #15 overall on him. Russell could have gone on the very next selection or he could have slid into the 5th or 6th round. Besides, even if he did get taken shortly after our spot, there's not many 3rd round quarterbacks that get the opportunity that Russell was given. He almost certainly wouldn't have gotten a chance to start in his rookie season.

Even Bruce Irvin, after he went on his rant after learning that we weren't picking up his option, later recanted his comments and admitted that he was grateful for the Hawks taking a chance on him and giving him an opportunity. I'm not saying that Russell owes PC to the degree that he should accept a contract like Kaepernick or Tannehill received. But if he spurns a very good offer and instead jumps in bed with the team that offers him the absolute highest possible dollar amount, ala Alex Rodríguez, something that IMO would be very out of character for Russell to do, then I'll call him out as being "greedy and selfish."