More Wilson Contract stuff

[c_hawkbob]

I think it's fair too. Unless they're expecting him to play this year at 1.5 before he get's to that $21.7 APR new money. In that case it's a bit more pedestrian offer than it looks. When Big Ben signed his extension his current year was already good money, not the best bargain in league history money.

[mykc14]

I think it's fair too. Unless they're expecting him to play this year at 1.5 before he get's to that $21.7 APR new money. In that case it's a more asking him bit more pedestrian offer than it looks. When Big Ben signed his extension his current year was already good money, not the best bargain in league history money.

That's the issue IMO that 21.7 APR really is 17.6 APY when you include next year, which is why IMO that extension needs to be in the 96-100 mil dollar range if it is 4 years, which would put him at 20 mil/yr

[Seahawks4Ever]

HC; Ever hear of MLB Hall of Famer Randy Johnson?? He tweaked his back just before his contract came up, the Mariner F/O got worried that his back was too badly tweaked and they low balled him. He got Pizzed and forced the M's to trade him. After finishing out the year in Houston he signed as a FA with Arizona and went on to win several Cy Young awards, throw a perfect game, and become a co-MVP of a World Series.

Now, it may be apples and oranges but I could see RW getting hurt while playing out his contract and it hurting his market value where very few other teams would want to sign him as a F/A and the Seahawks really low balling him.

I don't want to see Russell hurt at all, but they paid Richard Sherman top dollar when it was his time to be paid after his rookie contract and I don't see our F/O doing the same with RW. He has ALWAYS been a team guy. He knows they have to have salary cap space to keep the talent high enough to keep competing for championships so I just can't see him being greedy. If the Seahawks would have offered him a fair contract he would have signed it already, that is what I have been saying.

[HumanCockroach]

Lol, never heard of him.... Of course I have heard of Johnson, though it isn't just apple's to oranges, it's apples to pi multiplyed times mars, subtracted by Zeus. Baseball has no salary cap, players last MUCH longer, and to top it off, Johnson did not injure himself during the season, he had a chronic back issue which is why they did not want to invest that money. IF it is such a big deal, I suppose Wilson and co, should not be saying they have no issue dealing with playing out the contract and hurry up and sign the 21+ million dollar a year contract that has been reportedly offered that would place him in the top five as far as yearly salary after this season.

If he signs, he signs, if not, that means he and his agent are CHOOSING to gamble on himself, that he will increase his value, not the assumed Seahawks are doing him wrong narrative that it seems everyone with no realistic expectations of how long these negotiations take seem to be forcing out there

By the way, Sherman played the last year of his contract under the ORIGINAL rookie deal salary, as did ET, Kam, and KJ. Something it seems Wilson is not willing to do, and everyone seems Hell bent on claiming is unfair, even citing those players as "examples" why he shouldn't do so.

[Anthony]

That's the issue IMO that 21.7 APR really is 17.6 APY when you include next year, which is why IMO that extension needs to be in the 96-100 mil dollar range if it is 4 years, which would put him at 20 mil/yr

We also do not know how much is guaranteed, and how much is in bonuses. Also I have not see it said anyplace but Hsu, so till I do I am skeptical.

[Anthony]

Lol, never heard of him.... Of course I have heard of Johnson, though it isn't just apple's to oranges, it's apples to pi multiplyed times mars, subtracted by Zeus. Baseball has no salary cap, players last MUCH longer, and to top it off, Johnson did not injure himself during the season, he had a chronic back issue which is why they did not want to invest that money. IF it is such a big deal, I suppose Wilson and co, should not be saying they have no issue dealing with playing out the contract and hurry up and sign the 21+ million dollar a year contract that has been reportedly offered that would place him in the top five as far as yearly salary after this season.

If he signs, he signs, if not, that means he and his agent are CHOOSING to gamble on himself, that he will increase his value, not the assumed Seahawks are doing him wrong narrative that it seems everyone with no realistic expectations of how long these negotiations take seem to be forcing out there

By the way, Sherman played the last year of his contract under the ORIGINAL rookie deal salary, as did ET, Kam, and KJ. Something it seems Wilson is not willing to do, and everyone seems Hell bent on claiming is unfair, even citing those players as "examples" why he shouldn't do so.

Well dude if you need someone to explain to you the difference between Kam, ET, Sherman and Wilson than something is wrong. Not apples to apples at all.

[obiken]

One idea I have seen is trading Rivers for RW, I don't like that idea, but it might be doable.

[mykc14]

One idea I have seen is trading Rivers for RW, I don't like that idea, but it might be doable.

F no.

[mykc14]

We also do not know how much is guaranteed, and how much is in bonuses

I already said that exact same thing when I first posted the tweet.

[mykc14]

Also I have not see it said anyplace but Hsu, so till I do I am skeptical.

This you are skeptical of but all of the other conjecture, speculative, and attention grabbing crap about the Hawks low-balling RW you bite on hook line and sinker, LOl. I have no problem with you being skeptical of it, I don't know I certaintly am not taking it as gospel but at least be consultant. I mean if this were a bleacher report article about the Hawks only offering 4 years 80 mil you would be completely up in arms.

[mykc14]

Well dude if you need someone to explain to you the difference between Kam, ET, Sherman and Wilson than something is wrong. Not apples to apples at all.

I love RW and think he deserves to get paid but I need you to explain the difference to me. Both ET and sherm are widely regarded as THE BEST players at their positions in the NFL while RW isn't. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't trade anybody in the league for him, but you make it seem like their shouldn't even be a negotiation. Just pay him what he wants. Also arent you up in arms over how the FO supposedly treated lynch different than everybody else and now you want the team to treat RW different, seems like you need to figure out what it is that you are actually trying to argue.

[Anthony]

One idea I have seen is trading Rivers for RW, I don't like that idea, but it might be doable.

ITs funny you say that as the SD fan boards have not only been saying it but hoping we would screw up and loose RW so they can get him.

[Anthony]

I already said that exact same thing when I first posted the tweet.

congrats

[Anthony]

This you are skeptical of but all of the other conjecture, speculative, and attention grabbing crap about the Hawks low-balling RW you bite on hook line and sinker, LOl. I have no problem with you being skeptical of it, I don't know I certaintly am not taking it as gospel but at least be consultant. I mean if this were a bleacher report article about the Hawks only offering 4 years 80 mil you would be completely up in arms.

Dude give it a break.

[mykc14]

congrats

Thanks!

[mykc14]

Dude give it a break.

I really want to but you give me so much to work with.

[Anthony]

I love RW and think he deserves to get paid but I need you to explain the difference to me. Both ET and sherm are widely regarded as THE BEST players at their positions in the NFL while RW isn't. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't trade anybody in the league for him, but you make it seem like their shouldn't even be a negotiation. Just pay him what he wants. Also arent you up in arms over how the FO supposedly treated lynch different than everybody else and now you want the team to treat RW different, seems like you need to figure out what it is that you are actually trying to argue.

Really you need that explained why a QB, the most important position on the field, is different then you need a lot of help. I also never said pay him what he wants, FYI no I want the team to be willing to do for Wilson what they have done for Lynch, that has been my point all along. FYI those other deals were done before they caved to Lynch so its a little late to do anything about them isn't it.

[obiken]

Your talking a lot more Dollars than with Lynch. Lynch is not marketable, he had to get the max contract while he could.

[Anthony]

Your talking a lot more Dollars than with Lynch. Lynch is not marketable, he had to get the max contract while he could.

And that makes it okay?

[Anthony]

I really want to but you give me so much to work with.

A wise man once said be careful what you ask for.

[HumanCockroach]

So, you are going to whine continually about Lynch, claim things occurred that didn't, as your "proof" why Seattle hates Wilson, and turn around with a apple's to apples comparison when ET, Sherm, Kam and KJ are pointed out? Really? ROTFLMFAO. ALL FOUR of those players have FAR more in common with Wilson than Lynch ever has, if for no other reason than they to were having their rookie deals extended, but several other reasons as well.

Should have left Lynch out of it, but you couldn't resist, and now you are going to attempt to ignore multiple actual good comparisons because they can actually be applied to the situation, as opposed to your made up vendetta against Lynch? Yeah ok, Anthony.

[mykc14]

A wise man once said be careful what you ask for.

What? When did I ask for something?

[Hawktawk]

[quote="mykc14"

I love RW and think he deserves to get paid but I need you to explain the difference to me. Both ET and sherm are widely regarded as THE BEST players at their positions in the NFL while RW isn't. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't trade anybody in the league for him, but you make it seem like their shouldn't even be a negotiation. Just pay him what he wants. Also arent you up in arms over how the FO supposedly treated lynch different than everybody else and now you want the team to treat RW different, seems like you need to figure out what it is that you are actually trying to argue.[/quote]


I think RW is indeed a top QB in the league. 4000 yards of offense is 4000 yards and its gained in the most devastating fashion to defend in the league. A QB who can hand it off, keep it and rush for an average of over 50 yards a game,buy ridiculous amounts of time with a poor line or high point a reciever to the tune of the highest percentage of explosive pass plays in the league and a tie with Aaron Rodgers for the highest completion percentage in passes over 20 yards, 41%.That's tough to stop, especially late in games when the chips are down. Theres only one guy in the league that can do all those things, #3.Hes one of the best already and may wind up being the all time best.

Anyone who thinks the last 3 years would have looked anywhere near like they have without RW taking the snaps is flat out delusional. And the difference between ANY QB and position player is they pull the trigger on every play. It is unquestionably far and away the most important position in pro sports. When you have a QB like Seattle finally has you dont take chances on losing him now or at any point in his stellar career. And by that I mean dont insult him,dont play games, get him locked up ASAP. If they start playing the tag game he will force his way out at some point and its back to the drawing board. Wags, Sherm, ET etc are awesome but they dont play QB.

[HumanCockroach]

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-fo ... e-seahawks

Really Good article by an actual agent explaining ins and outs. Interestingly enough Sherman and Thomas are used as the best barometers for Wilson deals, along with info on what Wilson should be expecting, as a reasonable contract, and points out how foolish it is to expect Seattle change their preferred contract methods, how the public believes yearly salary matters etc.

Myck hit what he says is a realistic, GOOD contract offer/ extension ( his is 4 yrs/ 89 million, base salary to remain the same. Myck said 4/90). Pretty much it is the short term money that matters, nit some sort if perceived "bigger" numbers that fans get caught up in, nor is it remotely to due with "security" or "length" of these contracts that matter.

[NorthHawk]

Wilson is a great QB for our Offense.

But let's not kid ourselves here. This team is built on Defense first with a ground control run game and a QB that limits turnovers on Offense.
Wilson does that better than most QBs could and probably allows us to go cheap on the OL with his mobility.
Having a "Point Guard" at QB as Pete described it is the key for any of our offensive success, but it's the Defense that determines our success or failure - not the Offense.

It's how Pete designed it, and it's how we've won.

[mykc14]

I think RW is indeed a top QB in the league. 4000 yards of offense is 4000 yards and its gained in the most devastating fashion to defend in the league. A QB who can hand it off, keep it and rush for an average of over 50 yards a game,buy ridiculous amounts of time with a poor line or high point a reciever to the tune of the highest percentage of explosive pass plays in the league and a tie with Aaron Rodgers for the highest completion percentage in passes over 20 yards, 41%.That's tough to stop, especially late in games when the chips are down. Theres only one guy in the league that can do all those things, #3.Hes one of the best already and may wind up being the all time best.

Anyone who thinks the last 3 years would have looked anywhere near like they have without RW taking the snaps is flat out delusional. And the difference between ANY QB and position player is they pull the trigger on every play. It is unquestionably far and away the most important position in pro sports. When you have a QB like Seattle finally has you dont take chances on losing him now or at any point in his stellar career. And by that I mean dont insult him,dont play games, get him locked up ASAP. If they start playing the tag game he will force his way out at some point and its back to the drawing board. Wags, Sherm, ET etc are awesome but they dont play QB.

I don't think anybody is disagreeing with what you are saying. Like I posted I wouldn't trade him for any other QB in the league, although I don't think he is considered the best QB in the league anywhere outside of Seattle. I also understand QB is the toughest position in pro sports. I played the position and coach it at the HS level right now. My only points are that there is nothing wrong with the FO negotiating with RW and there is still a lot of time before we have to do anything drastic like FT him. The newest reported offer of 21.7 new money is not a low-ball offer, not enough IMO, but its not like they are trying to get him to take a huge hometown discount. The Hawks shouldn't just pay him what he wants if that number is way too high right now. Also, IMO a little back and forth negotiation is good for both sides and the team in general. Finally, we are far from the tag game with him. Allow the FO to do what they have done with EVERY OTHER GUY they have wanted to keep. They keep their guys. They have not lost one guy that they really wanted and I really don't expect them to with RW. I don't think RW is thin skinned enough to let a negotiation like this insult him, especially if the numbers that are coming out are accurate. They might be a little low, but certainly not insulting.

[Anthony]

So, you are going to whine continually about Lynch, claim things occurred that didn't, as your "proof" why Seattle hates Wilson, and turn around with a apple's to apples comparison when ET, Sherm, Kam and KJ are pointed out? Really? ROTFLMFAO. ALL FOUR of those players have FAR more in common with Wilson than Lynch ever has, if for no other reason than they to were having their rookie deals extended, but several other reasons as well.

Should have left Lynch out of it, but you couldn't resist, and now you are going to attempt to ignore multiple actual good comparisons because they can actually be applied to the situation, as opposed to your made up vendetta against Lynch? Yeah ok, Anthony.

I just love extremists, no I never said they hate Wilson, and no you cannot use Kama and them as that all happened before they gave into Lynch so you have no way of knowing how those players would have reacted had they catered to Lynch first. Also they are not QBs. I am ignoring nothing has my point about Lynch is very valid to any one with an open mind.

[Anthony]

What? When did I ask for something?

I believe we are good now.

[Anthony]

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25209652/agents-take-a-contract-solution-for-russell-wilson-and-the-seahawks

Really Good article by an actual agent explaining ins and outs. Interestingly enough Sherman and Thomas are used as the best barometers for Wilson deals, along with info on what Wilson should be expecting, as a reasonable contract, and points out how foolish it is to expect Seattle change their preferred contract methods, how the public believes yearly salary matters etc.

Myck hit what he says is a realistic, GOOD contract offer/ extension ( his is 4 yrs/ 89 million, base salary to remain the same. Myck said 4/90). Pretty much it is the short term money that matters, nit some sort if perceived "bigger" numbers that fans get caught up in, nor is it remotely to due with "security" or "length" of these contracts that matter.

I read that and found it interesting the current offer we have heard about , however do not know if it is fact, sounds good except as Myck pointed out we dp not know the guarantees and bonuses. If the guarantees and bonus are in line it is a great deal, if not then it is not. We just do not know yet.

[Anthony]

Wilson is a great QB for our Offense.

But let's not kid ourselves here. This team is built on Defense first with a ground control run game and a QB that limits turnovers on Offense.
Wilson does that better than most QBs could and probably allows us to go cheap on the OL with his mobility.
Having a "Point Guard" at QB as Pete described it is the key for any of our offensive success, but it's the Defense that determines our success or failure - not the Offense.

It's how Pete designed it, and it's how we've won.

I do know that is how he designed it, but I also know there have been numerous times bot the run game Which RW is a huge part of and the defense has let us down and yet we won. So while I agree that is how he may have designed it, it is no longer that way. RW has as much to do with our wins as the defense does. Anyone who doe snot get that is kidding themselves. We do not go to 3 straight playoffs and 23 straight SBs and win one with any other qbs save maybe 1 and his name is Rodgers.

[Anthony]

I don't think anybody is disagreeing with what you are saying. Like I posted I wouldn't trade him for any other QB in the league, although I don't think he is considered the best QB in the league anywhere outside of Seattle. I also understand QB is the toughest position in pro sports. I played the position and coach it at the HS level right now. My only points are that there is nothing wrong with the FO negotiating with RW and there is still a lot of time before we have to do anything drastic like FT him. The newest reported offer of 21.7 new money is not a low-ball offer, not enough IMO, but its not like they are trying to get him to take a huge hometown discount. The Hawks shouldn't just pay him what he wants if that number is way too high right now. Also, IMO a little back and forth negotiation is good for both sides and the team in general. Finally, we are far from the tag game with him. Allow the FO to do what they have done with EVERY OTHER GUY they have wanted to keep. They keep their guys. They have not lost one guy that they really wanted and I really don't expect them to with RW. I don't think RW is thin skinned enough to let a negotiation like this insult him, especially if the numbers that are coming out are accurate. They might be a little low, but certainly not insulting.

Good post I agree.

[Hawk Sista]

I have not read the last several pages, so forgive me if this is duplicated discussion. The sticking point seems to be that, while future years contract #s are great, the dude who brought us the only SB in Franchise history is set to make 1.5 this year. The discussion is about new and guaranteed money. Would it be possible to do a 5 year extension (effectively this year + 5) so that the number gets over that sexy $100 million mark? I would love the comfort of having him around for 6 more years. I would suspect, however, that this would not be palatable as the cap is set to increase and so would Wilson's 1st year of his third contract.

just thinkin' out loud.

[NorthHawk]

I have not read the last several pages, so forgive me if this is duplicated discussion. The sticking point seems to be that, while future years contract #s are great, the dude who brought us the only SB in Franchise history is set to make 1.5 this year. The discussion is about new and guaranteed money. Would it be possible to do a 5 year extension (effectively this year + 5) so that the number gets over that sexy $100 million mark? I would love the comfort of having him around for 6 more years. I would suspect, however, that this would not be palatable as the cap is set to increase and so would Wilson's 1st year of his third contract.

just thinkin' out loud.

One would think that the above option would have been discussed as it seems like a good deal for both sides.
If we assume it has been discussed, then the sticking points would look like they would be Total Salary and Guaranteed amounts.
That is unless Wilson's camp doesn't want a deal longer than 4 years so as to maximize the next contract.

[Anthony]

One would think that the above option would have been discussed as it seems like a good deal for both sides.
If we assume it has been discussed, then the sticking points would look like they would be Total Salary and Guaranteed amounts.
That is unless Wilson's camp doesn't want a deal longer than 4 years so as to maximize the next contract.

Good points however given the FOs previous deals have all been 4 year ext I wonder if that is the issue that they only want 4 years at a time. We may never no but I think something gets done and done soon.

[c_hawkbob]

That (the current year) is exactly the pertinent topic of discussion Sis, here and everywhere else. And frankly, I'll be a bit disappointed if when he does sign the team hasn't done something for him this year in the same vein as they did for Marshawn even after having moved his last year of the old contract incentives up to guarantees the previous year before giving him his latest extension. As for the five year option to hit the $100M sweet spot, I keep reading that the team's "preferred salary structure" which for some reason it seems should be respected, doesn't include 5 year extensions.

As far as I can tell it's still all very speculative commentary even by the "experts" - the former GM's and agents that the various networks keep putting in front of cameras - and the only thing we know for sure is that a position letter was sent by Russ' agent to the team followed shortly thereafter by a proposal by the team (the details of which I doubt to be completely accurate, but are out there).

I'm still not worried yet. When training camp gets here and he's not signed I'll start warming up my sweat pumps, till then it's all just light reading for while I'm sitting at my control board.

[NorthHawk]

If he signs a contract this year, any guaranteed money is payable up front so he will get paid this year.
He may also get minimum guarantees for later years, but not as much as at the time of the signing considering how big the numbers are that we are discussing.

[Anthony]

If he signs a contract this year, any guaranteed money is payable up front so he will get paid this year.
He may also get minimum guarantees for later years, but not as much as at the time of the signing considering how big the numbers are that we are discussing.

All could be true we will have to wait and see

[RiverDog]

I'm still not worried yet. When training camp gets here and he's not signed I'll start warming up my sweat pumps, till then it's all just light reading for while I'm sitting at my control board.

Me, too, although mine might not start warming up until a few weeks later when the preseason begins.

[NorthHawk]

I won't be concerned until next year.

[obiken]

obiken wrote:
Your talking a lot more Dollars than with Lynch. Lynch is not marketable, he had to get the max contract while he could.

And that makes it okay?

No Anthony, but ML needs the money RW doesn't. Once Lynch's contract is done its over that's all the money he will ever get. RW will make Millions in endorsements, he doesn't need it then we are dealing with ego.