Offensive Line

[mykc14]

I didn't want this to get lost in my last post, but does anybody really see any major changes in our OL next year? I don't. Okung- under contract for 1 more year at only 7 mil. He will be our starting LT next year. Unger- under contract for 2 more years at 5.6 mil/per. He will be our starting center next year. Sweezy- Easily our most consistent lineman this season. Under contract for one more season (don't be surprised if he gets extended this offseason). He will be our starting RG next year. Britt- under contract for at least 3 more years. Has played decent as a rookie and seems to be well liked by Cable. Almost certainty will be our starting LT next year. Lastly is Carp- unrestricted FA after this season. He has played well this year and is probably (along with Sweezy) our best run blocker. I could easily see us resigning him this offseason, unless he gets a lot of $ from somebody else. So basically I wouldn't be surprised at all if we had the same starting OL next year, would any of you. The only spot where we might see a change is LG, but I think we resign him. I could also see us bringing in a low-cost veteran to *compete* with Britt at LT, but his youth, upside, and work ethic (by all accounts an incredible hard worker) will keep him as the starting LT.

[NorthHawk]

I didn't want this to get lost in my last post, but does anybody really see any major changes in our OL next year? I don't.

We have to try to set ourselves up with quality all along the OL.
With Okung and Carpenter not being able to last a whole year, and with both having contract decisions in the near term, I think we need to add quality youth.
This would also have the effect of possibly not re-signing Okung should they get a player that can play LT at the NFL level or have a successor in place should Okung get a better offer.
Carpenter will probably be offered a contract and whether he stays is up to him unless we get a good Guard. Jean-Pierre is a pretty good backup to Unger, but if a possible long term successor is available, they could possibly play Guard for a couple of years and Center if Unger gets dinged again. Britt and Sweezy are pretty young and inexpensive so they will probably be here for a while.

If Cable goes elsewhere then we might see some big changes up front as the scheme might change.

[Anthony]

Not giving him the tools to succeed? Really? This coach/gm drafted him when nobody else would. This coach/gm gave him the opportunity to start as a rookie even though they had just signed an expensive high-profile QB in free agency. This team has the #1 ranked D and #1 ranked running game in the NFL. This coach/GM has been more than willing to put resources towards the bad OL and WR core. This coach/gm has shown him they are willing to do anything to win (including cutting anybody who doesn't buy into their proven system). When this coach/gm sees a weakness they address it in the offseason, so if they see the OL/WR as a major area of need they will put the resources towards improving those areas and RW knows that. RW loves this coach/gm. He loves his teammates. He loves this city/fanbase. He is not going anywhere.

You are assuming no one else was going to draft him we already know for a fact Philly was going to draft him with their next pick right after us. huge Assumption. Also you ignored the fact were I specified tools to succeed in the passing game. They may have been more willing to pout resources into Wr and oline but they have failed badly. IO hope your right about him not going know were, but anyone who is as confidant as you is kidding themselves. I want him here but I Can see a very real scenario were he leaves.

[Anthony]

This is probably true, but as HC has argued, the pass blocking looks a little worse because of the way RW plays at times. Last week was really bad as they had free rushers multiple times, but sometimes RW doesn't do himself any favors by holding onto the ball a little long, waiting for the big play to open up. He also doesn't step into the pocket as pressure comes from the outside, he usually scrambles into that pressure (most of the time escaping for a big play). Again, I am not saying this to knock RW all I am saying is that the way he plays increases the amount of pressure he gets. Most of the time this leads to a big play, either by him running downfield or holding onto the ball long enough to get a guy open for a big gain. At the same time our OL does need to improve in some areas and I think they will. Britt is a rookie who will only get better. Health, IMO a big factor in our OL play. Unger and Okung (the 2 most important positions on the OL) have missed multiple games, again. Continuity/Communication: this has also played into our pressure issue. Is it on RW or the center or the coaching staff? I don't know for sure but it is an issue. Too often the line doesn't shift when it needs to leading to an unblocked rusher, this call is often times the QB's to make but not always, this is probably partly due to injuries and communication. With all of that being said there is no doubt the OL could play better and there is room for improvement.

Dude there is a difference between some times and a lot.

Let me make it clearer

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/seahawks/ ... crambling/

IN this breakdown the numbers and % were as follows

20 blown block (oline) 45%
14 good coverage(wr or route trees) 32%
8 rusher coming in untouched(oline or scheme) 18%
1 other pressure 2.5%
1 QB fault 2.5 %

So as we see the biggest issue by far is oline/scheme, the Wr and last Qb with 1.

Now if you are others are so sure the main issue with pass blocking is Rw then we should get a new QB. But as I have shown and anyone with eyes can see the biggest issue is not Rw but is indeed the oline/scheme, followed by WR/routes/play calling

[Anthony]

I didn't want this to get lost in my last post, but does anybody really see any major changes in our OL next year? I don't. Okung- under contract for 1 more year at only 7 mil. He will be our starting LT next year. Unger- under contract for 2 more years at 5.6 mil/per. He will be our starting center next year. Sweezy- Easily our most consistent lineman this season. Under contract for one more season (don't be surprised if he gets extended this offseason). He will be our starting RG next year. Britt- under contract for at least 3 more years. Has played decent as a rookie and seems to be well liked by Cable. Almost certainty will be our starting LT next year. Lastly is Carp- unrestricted FA after this season. He has played well this year and is probably (along with Sweezy) our best run blocker. I could easily see us resigning him this offseason, unless he gets a lot of $ from somebody else. So basically I wouldn't be surprised at all if we had the same starting OL next year, would any of you. The only spot where we might see a change is LG, but I think we resign him. I could also see us bringing in a low-cost veteran to *compete* with Britt at LT, but his youth, upside, and work ethic (by all accounts an incredible hard worker) will keep him as the starting LT.

If we are not going to improve the oline and pass protecting it makes no sense to pay RW. I do not care how many years he has gone without a significant injury, if the oline issues do not get fixed it will happen and then we are done. So either fix the oline or do not sign Rw to big money. FYI you really want Britt protecting RWs blind side really?

[HumanCockroach]

You can also see a very real scenario where he gets broken and never plays again, so, everything is going to be taken with a grain of salt Anthony. You aren't seeing a "very real scenario" you are making fan fiction, and claiming it is very real. Unless Wilson has told you directly, what you are postulating, surmising and making up, there is no "very real scenario". Your scenario is no more "real" right now than someone saying his faith is so strong, that he is going to retire next week and never play again. Or that he has decided to hang them up to be a politician, or that he has been contacted by aliens and has decided to roam the heavens with them.

There is nothing but speculation, and hyperbole in your scenario right now. Please tell me the last QB that played it that way, I can wait as long as you would like, you won't find one, so not only are you professing things that you have zero idea how Wilson actually feels about them as fact, but you created a scenario, that has NEVER played out in NFL history, and then professed how "real" it was..... Come on man, you're better than this. No reason to run through the theatre yelling fire because you don't like the movie.

[mykc14]

Now if you are others are so sure the main issue with pass blocking is Rw then we should get a new QB. But as I have shown and anyone with eyes can see the biggest issue is not Rw but is indeed the oline/scheme, followed by WR/routes/play calling

Relax. Nobody is saying RW is the MAIN issue, all we have said is his style can lead to more hurries than a different type of QB. I actually went out of my way saying that his style, although it might lead to a FEW more QB hurries, often times creates a big play for our offense, so in no way shape or form am I calling for a new QB. Also, nobody is saying that the OL has been very good at pass blocking. You simply stated that RW might not stay because our OL sucks and I have said we have actually put resources into fixing the issue. Where, exactly, do you think we should upgrade our OL? Should we pay top dollar for a FA (if so then what position and how much)? Should we spend our first pick in the draft on OL or WR (we have done that the last 3 years)? Who on our current OL do you want to get rid of and where is the fix going to come from? That is all I am saying. RW can obviously see the FO has been addressing these issues, they just haven't worked out well. Also, IMO, our OL isn't all that bad when healthy and given the opportunity to play together for awhile. This may never happen but the talent is there: Okung (first round draft pick, former Pro-Bowler), Carpenter (1st round pick. Considered a bust until this season), Unger (2nd round pick, pro-bowl and all-pro), Sweezy (6th rounder, consistently has been our best OL this year), and Britt (rookie, 2nd round draft pick). Look at that our current OL has 2 first rounders and 2 2nd rounders. How is that not putting resources towards the OL?

[Anthony]

You can also see a very real scenario where he gets broken and never plays again, so, everything is going to be taken with a grain of salt Anthony. You aren't seeing a "very real scenario" you are making fan fiction, and claiming it is very real. Unless Wilson has told you directly, what you are postulating, surmising and making up, there is no "very real scenario". Your scenario is no more "real" right now than someone saying his faith is so strong, that he is going to retire next week and never play again. Or that he has decided to hang them up to be a politician, or that he has been contacted by aliens and has decided to roam the heavens with them.

There is nothing but speculation, and hyperbole in your scenario right now. Please tell me the last QB that played it that way, I can wait as long as you would like, you won't find one, so not only are you professing things that you have zero idea how Wilson actually feels about them as fact, but you created a scenario, that has NEVER played out in NFL history, and then professed how "real" it was..... Come on man, you're better than this. No reason to run through the theatre yelling fire because you don't like the movie.

Ahh I Never said broken and never plays again, I only said hurt, and sorry but given how much of a beating he has been taking over the last few years it is a possibility. Oh and by the way the scenario of a 5'11' inch QB being drafted in the 3d round and winning a SB in his first 2 years in the league has never played out before either, does not mean it will not happen, and in that case did.

I am not yelling fire, I am bringing up a very real possibility, given how some here have made light of the oline issues, and even blamed it on Rw, and how while we have tried we have been unsuccessful in getting any real help at WR. The only think you said I agree with is I do ot know how Rw feels, and neither do you for all you know I am correct. All I am doing is bringing up a concern, as is the concern that eventually if we do not do something about the oline Rw will get hurt.

[Anthony]

Relax. Nobody is saying RW is the MAIN issue, all we have said is his style can lead to more hurries than a different type of QB. I actually went out of my way saying that his style, although it might lead to a FEW more QB hurries, often times creates a big play for our offense, so in no way shape or form am I calling for a new QB. Also, nobody is saying that the OL has been very good at pass blocking. You simply stated that RW might not stay because our OL sucks and I have said we have actually put resources into fixing the issue. Where, exactly, do you think we should upgrade our OL? Should we pay top dollar for a FA (if so then what position and how much)? Should we spend our first pick in the draft on OL or WR (we have done that the last 3 years)? Who on our current OL do you want to get rid of and where is the fix going to come from? That is all I am saying. RW can obviously see the FO has been addressing these issues, they just haven't worked out well. Also, IMO, our OL isn't all that bad when healthy and given the opportunity to play together for awhile. This may never happen but the talent is there: Okung (first round draft pick, former Pro-Bowler), Carpenter (1st round pick. Considered a bust until this season), Unger (2nd round pick, pro-bowl and all-pro), Sweezy (6th rounder, consistently has been our best OL this year), and Britt (rookie, 2nd round draft pick). Look at that our current OL has 2 first rounders and 2 2nd rounders. How is that not putting resources towards the OL?

again trying and succeeding are not the same thing. Also I also stated Wr, and the fact he wants to be the best QB ever and to do that he needs passing talent around him and a passing offense. None of that exists here. There is no debate on any of this, it is a fact. So the question will be, what is RWs definition of best QB. If it is titles and being second fiddle to the run game and defense, then we are good. But if it is anything else he will not get it here, unless we change our philosophy and successfully add passing talent.


FYI Wilson just changed NFL agents to his Baseball agent

[HumanCockroach]

No Anthony you have indeed stated that before, regardless, I haven't seen a single poster, post what you continue to claim they have, nor have I seen anything, ANYTHING that leads me to believe any "realistic" scenario you claim, is in the works, or even a POSSIBILITY. Until Wilson himself says something, I'll continue to believe Wilson knows what he wants, is thinking and desires over your made up "realistic scenario". What YOU desire, and what Wilson desires, what YOU think and what Wilson thinks, aren't the same, if I had to guess, I would say they are million of miles apart, but I don't know ( because you know what, I'm not Wilson).

Simply NO way I'm ever going to agree with you, period. There is ZERO that leads me to believe you are even remotely in the REALM of a "realistic scenario" with what you have posted, as for the running through the theatre, that is indeed exactly what you are doing every time you resort to the "wait until he gets hurt" or " he's going to leave because that's what I would do" stuff.

Wilson has to date, at least to the best of my knowledge NEVER ONCE complained publicly or privately over the quality of the line, it's play, his receivers or said a thing about being unhappy with management, or the moves they have made. Have you? I can wait again if you would like..... No? Then Like I said, this is made up conjecture, speculation and hyperbole backed up by air and whispers.

[mykc14]

again trying and succeeding are not the same thing. Also I also stated Wr, and the fact he wants to be the best QB ever and to do that he needs passing talent around him and a passing offense. None of that exists here. There is no debate on any of this, it is a fact. So the question will be, what is RWs definition of best QB. If it is titles and being second fiddle to the run game and defense, then we are good. But if it is anything else he will not get it here, unless we change our philosophy and successfully add passing talent.


FYI Wilson just changed NFL agents to his Baseball agent

Of course trying and succedding are not the same thing, I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that RW can see that they are trying and will keep trying until they get it right. I also noted WR. We have used our first pick in the past 2 drafts on WR. Again, RW can see that the FO is trying to get him weapons at the WR position. So since PC has been here he has used 6 1st and 2nd round picks (out of 9 total) on the OL and WR positions. If that is not putting resources towards a position I don't know what is. Don't forget that RW has totally bought into PC's system and is smart enough to see how well it works.

So is your next theory that he's going to stop playing football and focus on baseball now? What does that have to do with anything? He wants all of his contracts to go through 1 guy and he likes his baseball guy better. He has been with him longer. That doesn't prove anything, IMO.

[Anthony]

No Anthony you have indeed stated that before, regardless, I haven't seen a single poster, post what you continue to claim they have, nor have I seen anything, ANYTHING that leads me to believe any "realistic" scenario you claim, is in the works, or even a POSSIBILITY. Until Wilson himself says something, I'll continue to believe Wilson knows what he wants, is thinking and desires over your made up "realistic scenario". What YOU desire, and what Wilson desires, what YOU think and what Wilson thinks, aren't the same, if I had to guess, I would say they are million of miles apart, but I don't know ( because you know what, I'm not Wilson).

Simply NO way I'm ever going to agree with you, period. There is ZERO that leads me to believe you are even remotely in the REALM of a "realistic scenario" with what you have posted, as for the running through the theatre, that is indeed exactly what you are doing every time you resort to the "wait until he gets hurt" or " he's going to leave because that's what I would do" stuff.

Wilson has to date, at least to the best of my knowledge NEVER ONCE complained publicly or privately over the quality of the line, it's play, his receivers or said a thing about being unhappy with management, or the moves they have made. Have you? I can wait again if you would like..... No? Then Like I said, this is made up conjecture, speculation and hyperbole backed up by air and whispers.

you choice but last I checked anything is possible.

[Anthony]

Of course trying and succedding are not the same thing, I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that RW can see that they are trying and will keep trying until they get it right. I also noted WR. We have used our first pick in the past 2 drafts on WR. Again, RW can see that the FO is trying to get him weapons at the WR position. So since PC has been here he has used 6 1st and 2nd round picks (out of 9 total) on the OL and WR positions. If that is not putting resources towards a position I don't know what is. Don't forget that RW has totally bought into PC's system and is smart enough to see how well it works.

So is your next theory that he's going to stop playing football and focus on baseball now? What does that have to do with anything? He wants all of his contracts to go through 1 guy and he likes his baseball guy better. He has been with him longer. That doesn't prove anything, IMO.

I am glad you admit trying and succeeding are not the same thing, So how long does RW allow them to just keep trying? till his contract is over? till he gets hurt? RW may have bought into the system, but I am also sure he could by into other systems too. Look all I have been saying is it is a possibility and one we must consider, and as much as you or Human wan tot try and say it is not a possibility it is. And it is a concern, I mean according to Human there is no concern that Rw will get hurt due to our bad oline, I mean it has not happened yet so why bother. To me that is the wrong attitude. The correct attitude is why take chances.

All this said I do want them to keep Rw, but unlike you 2 I can see a real possibility were they do not, or Rw does not want to stay. Try as you might to say otherwise until he resigns this possibility exists. Because until he resigns you cannot prove he will, and there are legitimate reasons to make Rw think twice, now weather or not that will happen who knows but to think it is not possible is just plain silly.

[NorthHawk]

Russell is starting to get his ducks in a row as he has moved on from his first agent, Bus Cook.

Only a few months now before we hear about any negotiations.
I think the chance is small he moves on as young franchise QBs rarely leave the teams that drafted them after their first contract.

[HumanCockroach]

Of course anything is possible, but that isn't what you said. It is also possible that the same players on the current line become the best pass blocking line in the league, or that Baldwin and co become the best receiving core in the league, just because it's possible, doesn't make it a given, or "realistic" just means possibilities are endless.

Doesn't mean I'm going to come on and claim them to be a realistic scenario, just because it's possible.

[Zorn76]

But then again, the OL has to give Russ enough time for Richardson to get deep.
It's a bit of a conundrum.

lol, yup:)

[mykc14]

I am glad you admit trying and succeeding are not the same thing, So how long does RW allow them to just keep trying? till his contract is over? till he gets hurt? RW may have bought into the system, but I am also sure he could by into other systems too. Look all I have been saying is it is a possibility and one we must consider, and as much as you or Human wan tot try and say it is not a possibility it is. And it is a concern, I mean according to Human there is no concern that Rw will get hurt due to our bad oline, I mean it has not happened yet so why bother. To me that is the wrong attitude. The correct attitude is why take chances.

All this said I do want them to keep Rw, but unlike you 2 I can see a real possibility were they do not, or Rw does not want to stay. Try as you might to say otherwise until he resigns this possibility exists. Because until he resigns you cannot prove he will, and there are legitimate reasons to make Rw think twice, now weather or not that will happen who knows but to think it is not possible is just plain silly.

What do you mean by real possiblity? Of course it is possible, but it doesn't seem like a 'real' enough possiblity to waste time worrying about it. I mean what do you think the odds are that this would happen? 50%, 60%? I would say the possibility would be like maybe 5% at the most and probably less than that. When was the last time a young franchise QB turned down a legitimate offer from the team who drafted him? Couple that with the fact that he has alread won at least 1 championship with that team and that team is young in general and has a good chance of competing for multiple championships. It's just not gonna happen. The Hawks aren't going to low-ball him. He isn't going to holdout until he gets some sort of no franchise gurentee (again when was the last time that happened with a QB?) and then leave the next year to go to the Texans.

[Anthony]

What do you mean by real possiblity? Of course it is possible, but it doesn't seem like a 'real' enough possiblity to waste time worrying about it. I mean what do you think the odds are that this would happen? 50%, 60%? I would say the possibility would be like maybe 5% at the most and probably less than that. When was the last time a young franchise QB turned down a legitimate offer from the team who drafted him? Couple that with the fact that he has alread won at least 1 championship with that team and that team is young in general and has a good chance of competing for multiple championships. It's just not gonna happen. The Hawks aren't going to low-ball him. He isn't going to holdout until he gets some sort of no franchise gurentee (again when was the last time that happened with a QB?) and then leave the next year to go to the Texans.

When was the last time a 5'11 inch QB started and won a SB in his 2nd year. Enough said.

As I said it is a possibility and given all that has happened this year, and the beating he has been taking, it is a concern. As I said I want him to stay, but I also want them to successfully invest in the oline to protect that investment. Same for Wr. The question is going to come down to what they will offer him, and weather he feels he can reach his goal of being the best QB ever on a run first defensive team. And that will depend on his definition of best QB ever. However since we do not know those answers what I have been saying remains a real possibility until he signs.

[mykc14]

When was the last time a 5'11 inch QB started and won a SB in his 2nd year. Enough said.

As I said it is a possibility and given all that has happened this year, and the beating he has been taking, it is a concern. As I said I want him to stay, but I also want them to successfully invest in the oline to protect that investment. Same for Wr. The question is going to come down to what they will offer him, and weather he feels he can reach his goal of being the best QB ever on a run first defensive team. And that will depend on his definition of best QB ever. However since we do not know those answers what I have been saying remains a real possibility until he signs.

So that's how this game is played? Why stop there when was the last time a guy named Russell Wilson was the Seahawks QB and was 5'11" and started in his 2nd year and won the SB and won the most games ever in their first 3 seasons and made the pro-bowl in their first 2 years and... I could keep going but hopefully you see my point. Again, what is the PERCENT chance that you think this happens? Is it really enough to worry about?

[Anthony]

As I said it is a possibility and given all that has happened this year, and the beating he has been taking, it is a concern. As I said I want him to stay, but I also want them to successfully invest in the oline to protect that investment. Same for Wr. The question is going to come down to what they will offer him, and weather he feels he can reach his goal of being the best QB ever on a run first defensive team. And that will depend on his definition of best QB ever. However since we do not know those answers what I have been saying remains a real possibility until he signs.

So that's how this game is played? Why stop there when was the last time a guy named Russell Wilson was the Seahawks QB and was 5'11" and started in his 2nd year and won the SB and won the most games ever in their first 3 seasons and made the pro-bowl in their first 2 years and... I could keep going but hopefully you see my point. Again, what is the PERCENT chance that you think this happens? Is it really enough to worry about?[/quote]


Your the one that down played the odds, not me I just pointed out that everything to do with Rw is about beating the odds, hence why I am concerned, about his contract and him maybe getting hurt behind out swiss cheese oline.

[mykc14]

Your the one that down played the odds, not me I just pointed out that everything to do with Rw is about beating the odds, hence why I am concerned, about his contract and him maybe getting hurt behind out swiss cheese oline.

That's what your point was, that he was going to 'beat the odds?' I wouldn't really count the scenario you painted as him 'beating the odds.' LOL. You are really arguing that because RW has beaten the odds as a shorter QB in the NFL he is now going to 'beat the odds' and get hurt or holdout? In what way are those things even close to being related? He is an amazing QB because of his work ethic. He overcame is deficiencies and 'beat the odds' because he strives to be great. Holding out is not a 'beating the odds' type of thing as it is a choice and choosing something isn't beating the odds. If I drive 1 way to work everyday and then I decide to drive a different way nobody is going to say 'wow man, you beat the odds today and drove the other way.' At the same time getting hurt isn't a 'beating the odds' type of thing either. I haven't heard anybody say 'wow McCoy really as beaten the odds the last two years by getting hurt in the training camp.' Coming back from an extreme injury may be 'beating the odds' but getting hurt isn't 'beating the odds.'

***Once again, what do you think the percent chance that your holdout scenario happens is? I really am wondering because you say things like this is a 'very real possibility' which suggest to me that you put those odds above 50%.

[NorthHawk]

I think he beat the odds because he had an organization that gave him a real chance to show what he can do, not just talk about it.
A lot of players for whatever reason don't get a true chance to compete to start, but Pete and John were true to their word and he won the competition and the teams trust.

[Anthony]

I think he beat the odds because he had an organization that gave him a real chance to show what he can do, not just talk about it.
A lot of players for whatever reason don't get a true chance to compete to start, but Pete and John were true to their word and he won the competition and the teams trust.

He still had to get the job done to beat the odds, and as has been documented Philly was going to take him if we did not, and given what is going on there, the odds are pretty good he would be starting now. You know its funny for a bunch of guys who want to down p0lay some very real possibilities, you guys have no problem making assumption that if we did not take Rw he would not have made it any place. All that said nothing any of you have said changes the fact that all the things I talked about are possible and should be a concern.

[NorthHawk]

A lot of teams might have taken a flyer on him later than 75, but his value was there because of prejudice of height and some coaches will never believe a QB less than 6-2 can play well no matter the success of the player. I would guess that there are even some teams coaches today that if they didn't have a starting QB would be hesitant to sign RW because of height. They might do so, but if he struggled, he would be benched quicker than another QB who met the "measurables".

[HumanCockroach]

You mean assumptions like he is going to get hurt, or he is going to leave because of one game in Arizona, or he isn't happy with the line or the effort there, or the scheme or etc... Us guys aren't the only ones making assumptions, and IMO yours are far, FAR greater than any that have been made by anyone on this thread.

I haven't seen anyone dismiss Wilsons abilities to the extent you seem to want to do. WHAT can be done right NOW to address it? Nothing, hence, fretting about the past or the future is a pointless endeavor. I LIKE the scheme they are running currently, and have ZERO desire to see any pass happy, uneffective game plans in the near future. This scheme IS winning, and winning Wilson games at a greater rate than ANYONE in NFL history, something tells me that will also factor into the decision at some point, as well as the numerous records he holds ( something you can't in the least say with any conviction if he had gone somewhere else).

[Anthony]

You mean assumptions like he is going to get hurt, or he is going to leave because of one game in Arizona, or he isn't happy with the line or the effort there, or the scheme or etc... Us guys aren't the only ones making assumptions, and IMO yours are far, FAR greater than any that have been made by anyone on this thread.

I haven't seen anyone dismiss Wilsons abilities to the extent you seem to want to do. WHAT can be done right NOW to address it? Nothing, hence, fretting about the past or the future is a pointless endeavor. I LIKE the scheme they are running currently, and have ZERO desire to see any pass happy, uneffective game plans in the near future. This scheme IS winning, and winning Wilson games at a greater rate than ANYONE in NFL history, something tells me that will also factor into the decision at some point, as well as the numerous records he holds ( something you can't in the least say with any conviction if he had gone somewhere else).

Dude I am one of the biggest Wilson fans out there, so no I do not dismiss anything, without him the offense does nothing. Winning does help, but so does winning were you are given credit for it, and while we the Hawks fans get it, and some of the experts get it, there are still a lot of experts who do not. Hence why his desire to being the best Qb ever can come into play with what he does. I mean lets see horrible oline, avg at best Wr, not a passing offense, most of the credit for the teams success given to the defense and run game. Not exactly the things a guy who wants to be the best QB ever feels great about.

Look you guys are barking up the wrong tree here, all I said is it was a concern and it is so is the oline especially the next 2 games. Now of you might be, well it has not been an issue so far so why worry about it, but that is just plain short sighted, if Rw goes down its over and our oline is going to be more patch work this weekend then ever. I am concerned and anyone in their right mind should be.

Until Wilson signs I will be concerned about all the things I mentioned and rightfully so they are all legitimate possibilities. Once he is signed the concern will move to protecting our investment and giving him the weapons he needs.

[HumanCockroach]

I'm not barking up any tree. Certainly wasn't I that started this thread, absolved Wilson of any and all blame or started fretting over something that nothing can or will be done about this season. Hell, isn't it Wilson that started the "1-0 everyweek" thing? Is he being short sighted as well?? I'm ok with dealing with what is at hand at the moment. I'll worry about the off season, when it's off season, not prior during another possible SB run.

Basically, I'll be "in the moment" the same way Wilson professes is needed, and concern myself with the moments that can build to success.

[mykc14]

Dude I am one of the biggest Wilson fans out there, so no I do not dismiss anything, without him the offense does nothing. Winning does help, but so does winning were you are given credit for it, and while we the Hawks fans get it, and some of the experts get it, there are still a lot of experts who do not. Hence why his desire to being the best Qb ever can come into play with what he does. I mean lets see horrible oline, avg at best Wr, not a passing offense, most of the credit for the teams success given to the defense and run game. Not exactly the things a guy who wants to be the best QB ever feels great about.

Look you guys are barking up the wrong tree here, all I said is it was a concern and it is so is the oline especially the next 2 games. Now of you might be, well it has not been an issue so far so why worry about it, but that is just plain short sighted, if Rw goes down its over and our oline is going to be more patch work this weekend then ever. I am concerned and anyone in their right mind should be.

Until Wilson signs I will be concerned about all the things I mentioned and rightfully so they are all legitimate possibilities. Once he is signed the concern will move to protecting our investment and giving him the weapons he needs.

Of course he could get hurt, but that is not really what we are talking about here. Any player could get hurt. We are talking about him getting either getting hurt because of the OL or him holding out because of the OL/WR/offensive scheme. The Hawks could be starting 3 backups on the OL this weekend, of course its a concern, but not something that I am going to continually worry about, nor should you. It is not the first time the Hawks have had to do that in RW's tenure and it won't be the last. In fact RW has played more games with 2+ starters out in his career than with a healthy OL, which is a major reason his OL has ranked so low. Our basic starting 5 OL (Okung, Carp, Unger, Sweezy, and Britt) have the potential to be very good and I am sure RW can see that. Their biggest issue has been health, which can turn a great OL into a crap OL very quickly (look at the niners). Again you use the term 'legitimate possibilities,' quantify that please. What percent chance do you see that RW refuses to resign with the Hawks (other than the Hawks somehow lowballing him, but simply because he doesn't want to play with this OL/WR/Scheme?