Suh wants to come to Seattle.

[Hawk Sista]

Whether or not the Allen situation is point by point comparable or not does not change my overriding premise. My point is that going after and paying Suh and the 16+million he WILL get is a. not possible and b. Not our style. On the other side, whether or not Suh wants to play here, he's not going to leave millions on the table to do it. I'd be happy to be wrong.

[savvyman]

Whether or not the Allen situation is point by point comparable or not does not change my overriding premise. My point is that going after and paying Suh and the 16+million he WILL get is a. not possible and b. Not our style. On the other side, whether or not Suh wants to play here, he's not going to leave millions on the table to do it. I'd be happy to be wrong.

I don't think you will be wrong. When a News headline or story is written about a star UFA player that says "Player (Suh) wants to come to Seattle".... There should be a qualifying comment following the headline that says "if Seattle is willing to match their top offer".....

[HumanCockroach]

Whether or not the Allen situation is point by point comparable or not does not change my overriding premise. My point is that going after and paying Suh and the 16+million he WILL get is a. not possible and b. Not our style. On the other side, whether or not Suh wants to play here, he's not going to leave millions on the table to do it. I'd be happy to be wrong.

And my point is A it ABSOLUTELY IS possible B I'm not advocating it C anyone claiming this wouldn't improve the team haven't watched him play D for the "right" player Seattle will indeed spend the money ( and in Harvins case, even if he isn't the "right" player)...

If you want to say that "isn't the Seahawks style" I would direct you back to Harvin, Miller, Rice moves ( all received enormous contracts) so unless you are claiming that a player like Suh, in his prime doesn't measure up to those players, I'm not entirely sure what you are saying. Seattle most definitely has shown a willingness to unload a large amount of money on players they feel are "special" players ( you can add in Sherm, ET, Kam to that equation as well, guys that are the "top" guy at their position, and got paid handsomely because of it). They are currently attempting to bring back Lynch with an INSANE amount of money for an NFL RB facing the age of 30 ( about 60% more for even some of the best backs in the NFL at 10 million for next season), I'm not saying Suh is more valuable than ANY of those players, however, there really is no denying he is a "special" player, hitting his prime, and is the BEST DT in football, so if Seattle decided to do it, I wouldn't become upset with the decision.

Suh MAY get 16 million a year, he may not, the market isn't "set" and normally isn't until multiple big names have received their contract. We'll see, but the idea Seattle "can't" do it, isn't accurate in the least. It would be something Seattle would have to make some really tough choices over, but not some impossible move.

[Hawktawk]

Suh MAY get 16 million a year, he may not, the market isn't "set" and normally isn't until multiple big names have received their contract. We'll see, but the idea Seattle "can't" do it, isn't accurate in the least. It would be something Seattle would have to make some really tough choices over, but not some impossible move.[/quote]

There were players grousing about the release of Clem, Bryant, and others after last season. I think if PC and JS go this far out of the "box" and shortchange the guys who got us here it will blow the team apart. And with the guys who are due that is exactly whats going to happen in order to get him in here. Id rather pay Maxwell.

I dont believe in a boy named Suh.Hell no!!!

[HumanCockroach]

Again, you and others are welcome to believe whatever you want in regards to Suh. No where have I posted they should sign him, my posts revolve around the feasability of signing him, and the effects it would have on the defense, some of the ramifications of signing him, and nothing else. What it would "do" to the chemistry is an unknown, what it would do to the cap moving forward is unknown, whether he would take less to come home, is an unknown... Lots of unknowns, I'm posting on what IS known ( ie, he could be signed, his level of play, what that would mean to players like Bennett, Avril, Irvin as well as the DB's etc).

[NorthHawk]

Players move from teams every year and I think any "Chemistry" issues would be solved the first time he flushed a QB out of the pocket into a DE for a sack or blew up a run play for a tackle for loss.
There's never been any issue that I know of with work ethic or desire to make the necessary sacrifice to win, so most players would soon know he gives them an ability to win it all.

That being said, I think it's only a slim chance our FO lands him, but like HC said, it's technically possible without blowing up the entire Cap.
It's a matter of the FO making the choices to do it or believing it's in the best interest of the team.

[savvyman]

Again, you and others are welcome to believe whatever you want in regards to Suh. No where have I posted they should sign him, my posts revolve around the feasability of signing him, and the effects it would have on the defense, some of the ramifications of signing him, and nothing else. What it would "do" to the chemistry is an unknown, what it would do to the cap moving forward is unknown, whether he would take less to come home, is an unknown... Lots of unknowns, I'm posting on what IS known ( ie, he could be signed, his level of play, what that would mean to players like Bennett, Avril, Irvin as well as the DB's etc).

I hope anyone does not take my comments as I would not want Suh to be signed by the Hawks or that the Hawks could not pull off a contract for him. I would be thrilled if the FO was able to pull off a deal and get Suh to sign. Suh would however have to likely agree to take less from us than some other team would probably offer.

I have faith in John & Pete that either if they completed a deal to sign Suh - or decided that the price was too high or Suh was not a good fit for our locker room - either way I have faith in their final decision.

I thought I read somewhere that the franchise tag price for Suh was $26 million - that is a hefty amount for the Lions to pay if they go that route.

[savvyman]

Just read this morning that Cowboys will not be exercising the contract for Henry Melton - Good news for the supply and demand equation for teams looking for defensive line help in the off-season.

[NorthHawk]

Here is how Rotoworld has ranked the Interior DL Free Agents for this year.
It's interesting (to me, at least) how high they have Williams ranked considering how many miles are on those tires.

The list:

Interior Defensive Linemen

1. Ndamukong Suh
2. Nick Fairley
3. Terrance Knighton
4. Dan Williams
5. Jared Odrick
6. Stephen Paea
7. C.J. Mosley
8. Henry Melton
9. Cory Redding
10. Letroy Guion
11. Corey Peters
12. B.J. Raji
13. Kevin Williams
14. Kenrick Ellis
15. Ahtyba Rubin
16. Tom Johnson
17. Jarvis Jenkins
18. Alan Branch
19. Alex Carrington
20. Dwan Edwards
21. Pat Sims
22. Tommy Kelly
23. Mike Patterson
24. Leger Douzable
25. Karl Klug
26. Colin Cole
27. Kevin Vickerson
28. Tyson Alualu
29. Demarcus Dobbs
30. Brandon Deaderick
31. Andre Fluellen
32. Fili Moala
33. D'Anthony Smith
34. Nick Hayden
35. Jarius Wynn
36. Chris Neild
37. Ricardo Mathews
38. Mitch Unrein
39. Terrence Cody
40. C.J. Wilson

[HumanCockroach]

13th doesn't seem real high to me. ( unless you mistook Dan for Kevin?)

I do hope they can work out a deal to bring Dobbs back in as well, at a low rate, IMHO he was showing some flashes towards the end of the year.

[NorthHawk]

I keep hearing reports that Kevin Williams might retire.
That's what was surprising to me, being able to play at a high level at his age to be in the top 15 FA DTs.

[burrrton]

Suh is going to be insanely expensive for his position, and frankly, we don't need him if we get the guys back we started the year with.

That's my 2¢.

[HumanCockroach]

Sorry, but didn't Seattle have issues creating pressure up the middle at the beginning of the year last year? I know that both SD and Dallas exploited that for victories, Denver also exploited it when attempting to come back. Sorry, IMHO they HAVE to address that need with more urgency than any other on the defensive side of the ball. The loss of McDonald can't be overstated. Mebane and Mcdaniel are fine against the run, but pretending like they provide any interior pressure is folly.

[NorthHawk]

Melton might again be on the radar as he has had a full year after the ACL surgery and should be at full strength.
If he is healthy, a rotation of him and Hill might be pretty good as both can bring pressure up the middle.
Providing Hill's calf injury doesn't linger into 2015.

[Steady_Hawk]

I was checking out DT salaries and the highest paid is McCoy from Tampa Bay with an average of something like 15.8 per year. I wonder how much more Suh will want past that salary or what the bidding will be?

[NorthHawk]

My guess at this stage is he goes to Oakland with all the room on their Cap.

[mykc14]

Suh will get 17-18/year on the open market, IMO. I would love for him to come here but I just don't see it happening.

[HumanCockroach]

Wouldn't be overly surprised to see Seattle draft a pass rushing Tackle and sign a FA receiver ( I prefer this vastly over overpaying for Suh, or trading for Marshall.... If they are smart about it and a little bit lucky they could also look for a pass receiving TE as well without hamstringing themselves....

[NorthHawk]

Wouldn't be overly surprised to see Seattle draft a pass rushing Tackle and sign a FA receiver ( I prefer this vastly over overpaying for Suh, or trading for Marshall.... If they are smart about it and a little bit lucky they could also look for a pass receiving TE as well without hamstringing themselves....

I said earlier it wouldn't surprise me if they took Michael Bennett if he's available when we pick. He's like a Clinton McDonald with more upside from what I've seen and read.

[NorthHawk]

Obviously from the high round misses and low round hits that have gone on over the years, the Draft has a fairly high degree of uncertainty about players, and those with proven NFL success are a much surer bet.
The evaluations for NFL players are a little different in that the FO has to determine if the player in question would fit with the scheme and attitude in the locker room.
It's probably a little more important for those teams that are ready to challenge for a Super Bowl than those building towards it.

It's probably why Free Agency is so important for teams to get "over the hump" or maintain their competitive edge.

Paea, if he can provide push up the middle would be a good addition as pressure is one of the keys to our Defensive success. There aren't too many like Suh out there but if we can have a rotation of someone like Paea and Hill as well as Mebane and maybe Williams plugging the middle we would be in good shape. A lot depends on how severe the injuries to Mebane and Hill were and how well they can recover in time for 2015.

[HumanCockroach]

I like Hill a lot, but I worry about his durability. Three years, three seasons shut down( senior season in college, two years with Seahawks). I would like them at least to address depth there so if Seattle is able to make another push towards the SB this year, they at least have some form of pressure in the middle of that line. IMO the difference between the Denver SB and the NE SB very well may have come down to that one element...

Brady can't step up numerous times and complete a 3rd and 14 we may be discussing something entirely different this off season than why the hell didn't they run the ball from the one.

[NorthHawk]

There's also the DT from Alabama - Williams, I think - who has been injured for the first few years as well.
He may never see the field because of his knees, but was a good risk at the time and draft slot.

Depth is an issue now for the DL for sure.

[monkey]

Here is how Rotoworld has ranked the Interior DL Free Agents for this year.
It's interesting (to me, at least) how high they have Williams ranked considering how many miles are on those tires.

The list:

Interior Defensive Linemen

1. Ndamukong Suh
2. Nick Fairley
3. Terrance Knighton
4. Dan Williams
5. Jared Odrick
6. Stephen Paea
7. C.J. Mosley
8. Henry Melton
9. Cory Redding
10. Letroy Guion
11. Corey Peters
12. B.J. Raji
13. Kevin Williams
14. Kenrick Ellis
15. Ahtyba Rubin
16. Tom Johnson
17. Jarvis Jenkins
18. Alan Branch
19. Alex Carrington
20. Dwan Edwards
21. Pat Sims
22. Tommy Kelly
23. Mike Patterson
24. Leger Douzable
25. Karl Klug
26. Colin Cole
27. Kevin Vickerson
28. Tyson Alualu
29. Demarcus Dobbs
30. Brandon Deaderick
31. Andre Fluellen
32. Fili Moala
33. D'Anthony Smith
34. Nick Hayden
35. Jarius Wynn
36. Chris Neild
37. Ricardo Mathews
38. Mitch Unrein
39. Terrence Cody
40. C.J. Wilson

I'm rather intrigued by several names on that list, despite feeling that DT isn't necessarily a huge need.
I REALLY like the potential (and it is still mostly just potential...yet) of Stephen Paea. He's already a good player, but he hasn't reached his ceiling yet, and personally I think his ceiling is VERY high.
I love the idea of Pot Roast as well. That guy is clearly a terrific run stuffer, he would be a terrific addition to our rotation here. Nick Fairley is a stud, outside our price range likely, but a stud. Henry Melton, a guy we showed a little interest in last year, is a very good player, now a year removed from being hurt, and one I would strongly consider. CJ Mosely...interesting. BJ Raji, also interesting, though a bit of a reclamation project.
Even cheaper options as depth like Vickerson, or Alan Branch (both of whom we should all remember) interest me as well. (Did Branch sign somewhere?? For some reason I think I remember reading that...)
It's really not a bad year to be looking to add some DT depth, or even superstar firepower, through free agency.
I also like the idea of bringing Williams back for another go round, if he is willing. I've ALWAYS liked Williams, was very excited when we signed him, would love to have him back.

[Hawk Sista]

IMO the difference between the Denver SB and the NE SB very well may have come down to that one element...
Brady can't step up numerous times and complete a 3rd and 14 we may be discussing something entirely different this off season than why the hell didn't they run the ball from the one. HC

Yeah, that and the fact that the Denver D sucked and was injured worse than we were in 49. Look at Brady's #s with Cliff in the game and without. Had we had another veteran body on the line, we woulda won the damn game (and as you have all heard me claim before) had Lane not been injured, we would have likely won the damn game.

EVERYONE agrees that we need more depth along the D-line and elsewhere. EVERYONE agrees that SUH is a truly special DT the likes of which would be stellar to have on our team. What you don't seem to be getting from me is that I love him, could overlook his issues, but think getting a 16 (or even 13) million dollar deal with this guy is not possible given how we have paid our other players. Even though our cap guys are genius level, pulling off Suh and RW and addressing our other needs while paying the guys we have on the payroll is not possible. Not unless they all line-up to restructure. We were afforded the luxury to have the depth in the past because RW only cost us about 800k a year. For a long while - ET, RS, KC, KJW and others were still on rookie contracts. The front office realized the special nature of these guys, however, and opted to pay them (or will here pretty soon).

There simply ain't enough space to pay RW, Bobby and Suh. And if there were, where would our depth come from?

[Hawk Sista]

And my point is A it ABSOLUTELY IS possible B I'm not advocating it C anyone claiming this wouldn't improve the team haven't watched him play D for the "right" player Seattle will indeed spend the money ( and in Harvins case, even if he isn't the "right" player)...

A. it ABSOLUTELY IS possible? How is it possible NOW? We have what left in cap space and who to sign? Maybe Clayton and his buddies at ESPN and elsewhere are wrong (have been numerous times before) - they all say there is NOT the space needed in Seattle for a big contract of this nature. He even said we could not afford Fairly (whom I don't even want) at 1/2 the salary.

B. I'm not advocating it Understood - the idea of him with our D is a fun one to consider.

C. anyone claiming this wouldn't improve the team haven't watched him play. Not sure anybody actually thinks Suh would not be a boon to the D. I think people think it is NOT POSSIBLE which is a very big difference. The only nay-sayers are talking price tag and character issues. I think we have all watched enough film to know that he is a stud!

D. for the "right" player Seattle will indeed spend the money ( and in Harvins case, even if he isn't the "right" player I agree with you to a point. Most of those deals were done pre RW and pre right now. Our landscape has changed.

I will agree with you that our front office has managed to pull the trigger on deals I thought were not possible, so NOTHING is out of the question. As I've said, I would be just fine being wrong on this so long as the price-tag doesn't hand-cuff us to mediocrity. I'd just as soon get a very solid DT at less than 1/2 the price tag than mortgage the farm (which we would indeed have to do) for one guy. You keep referring to a model that was the model before we started having to pay ET, Sherm, RW etc. This is a very different year. The FO has done a spectacular job getting us in position to sign RW and Bobby and maybe a few more, but I doubt we see any big name FAs this year unless we see some end of career type dudes who really see the chance to win and take it. Maybe Allen comes back our way, maybe Fitzgerald takes a Winners discount etc. Bu Suh is too young to leave MILLIONS on the table.

[NorthHawk]

None of us are Cap specialists for the NFL, so what we are saying is just guessing.
Common sense would suggest we couldn't afford him without major sacrifices, but there are so many ways to construct an agreement that it becomes impossible to say for sure we could not afford him.

I heard Pat Kirwan talking on NFL Radio a while ago and he was talking about the reported Cap space and commented that he read a number of reports about a team having about 30 million in Cap space. When he was talking to the team, he found out they had about 5 million more than the reports in the media.

The point I'm making is we can't really make a statement about affordability if we aren't sure what the real Cap space is or will be after the inevitable losses of players.

It boils down to we, as fans have 2 large variables that we aren't even sure of.
It's why I rarely discuss Cap hits and leave it to our FO to make those decisions. They have the real figures and the plan to follow.

[Hawk Sista]

which is precisely why I have qualified my comments. Who the hell knows. It is, however, a fan forum where opinions are shared. I think we all know that none of us in this forum is John Schneider himself, not do we really understand the inner-workings of the cap.

For that matter, none of us here is an OC yet February 3rd everyone here was smarter than PC and Bev. It's just a place to chit-chat with our brethren re: our favorite pass-time.

[NorthHawk]

Well if they screw up the Cap space, we will be here to give 'em he!!.

[HumanCockroach]

Hell according to Clayton we couldn't retain Kam, ET, Sherman either, nor could we keep Avril and Bennett.... Clayton has a "formula" he is constantly referencing in regards to the "amount" of 6 million + players a team can have on it's roster, Seattle already has MORE than Claytons formula allows, and has 23 million dollars in space to boot. The difference between Seattle and other teams is the ability to take cast offs, late picks etc, and develop them into good to very good situational, or back up players. Instead of PAYING millions to the third string DT, we draft one late, and get mileage out of them...

Players would HAVE to go to allow Suh in Seattle, but the truth is, some of those players are older, and more expensive than a rookie backup would be. Mebane IMHO is either going to rework his contract, or be let go in a scenario like that, Wilson likely will play this season under his current salary with a big extension ( the same as every player they have signed in the recent past) as will more than likely Wagner. Seattle hasn't shown a perpensity to "tear up" existing contracts, but the have shown a willingness to pay exceptional players. The Landscape hasn't "changed" as much as you are saying. Every team makes tough choices moving forward, and signing Suh would create simply more of them.

[mykc14]

Hell according to Clayton we couldn't retain Kam, ET, Sherman either, nor could we keep Avril and Bennett.... Clayton has a "formula" he is constantly referencing in regards to the "amount" of 6 million + players a team can have on it's roster, Seattle already has MORE than Claytons formula allows, and has 23 million dollars in space to boot. The difference between Seattle and other teams is the ability to take cast offs, late picks etc, and develop them into good to very good situational, or back up players. Instead of PAYING millions to the third string DT, we draft one late, and get mileage out of them...

Players would HAVE to go to allow Suh in Seattle, but the truth is, some of those players are older, and more expensive than a rookie backup would be. Mebane IMHO is either going to rework his contract, or be let go in a scenario like that, Wilson likely will play this season under his current salary with a big extension ( the same as every player they have signed in the recent past) as will more than likely Wagner. Seattle hasn't shown a perpensity to "tear up" existing contracts, but the have shown a willingness to pay exceptional players. The Landscape hasn't "changed" as much as you are saying. Every team makes tough choices moving forward, and signing Suh would create simply more of them.

I know Clayton quotes that formula like it came out of the football bible or something. I generally like the idea of Clayton but often find he doesn't have all the answers he thinks he has. It doesn't take a cap genius to see that the Hawks absolutely could re-sign Wags and RW and pay Suh. In a few years they would certainly be tight around the cap and it might cost them other guys now and possibly in the future but it is possible, especially when you consider the fact that they are going to get 7 mil in cap relief next year (Harvin's contract) and the cap is going to continue to go up.

[HumanCockroach]

Ultimately, all cap hits are coming off the books one way or another. Mebane is due 5.5 this coming season and I believe he is a FA the following ( or possibly there is one more year, not entirely sure) if Lynch decides against playing next season ( I hope not, but it is a "real" possibility) there goes another 7.5 off the books, there is also some dead cap money due to "dissappear" next year as well ( think Bryant and Clem? But I could be wrong). Maybe they let Irvin walk in another year or two, choose not to resign Carp or Okung ( not saying I want all these guys gone by any means, just that they are part of the equation should Seattle choose to do something like this).... There is a hell of a lot of ways to structure a salary to work, and choices that could ( and are made every year) be made to find the room needed to sign Wilson, Wagner AND Suh without this always mystical "hamstring cap" number...

IMHO, a serious push for Suh ( or another BIG name FA player) hinges on what and when Mr. Lynch decides..... They have offered Lynch 10 million next season to return ( or at least that is what is reported) IF he chooses to hang up his cleats, that is 10 million they have ALREADY accounted for I don't find it in any way difficult to see them finding 7 million more if they so desired. ( Mebane and McDaniels salary COVERS that)...

Again not sure I want them spending it, but that is their job I suppose, and honestly I would prefer this move over the Marshall speculated move..

[Hawk Sista]

I know Clayton quotes that formula like it came out of the football bible or something. I generally like the idea of Clayton but often find he doesn't have all the answers he thinks he has.

Agreed. Clayton is a nice guy and more knowledgeable than most, but oft overstates things. I don't think the media really get how this team is wired - even John...especially not me. For the record though, I'm not just quoting Clayton. Most people don't think we have the room for RW, Suh, and our other six million dollar men and I have based my opinion on theirs.

We shall see - it should be a heck of ride this off-season.

[NorthHawk]

This discussion might be moot as Mayhew said today that although a deal hasn't yet been reached, the essential elements are in place.

[HumanCockroach]

Based on what I have read, many that insist it isn't possible have a formula similar to Clayton, which basically takes out 25 million for the QB ( including teams that are NOT taking that out) adds the cost of the "other" star players, and then insist on a specified amount for backups, and solid starters. The truth is, not ALL teams structure their salaries the same way, and as such, using a formula to devise whether a team can afford more 6 million dollar players is a fallacy.

They also seem to ignore, the growth of the league, and what happens to the salary cap moving forward, it doesn't always increase, but for the life of me, I don't remember it ever decreasing, with growth of the league, growth in the cap follows. If the cap is raised even 2 million a year ( a low number by far) then it would reason that "another" 6 million dollar player can indeed be added to the roster every thee seasons ( expecting a team to continue to use depth and cheaper players for depth here) so his "formula" is flawed....

Per Clayton, Seattle could NOT fit Kam, Sherm and ET into the salary cap either, but did, nor could they afford an extension for Avril and Bennett ( and were pretty much guaranteed to lose Bennett regardless) and did. I'm beyond listening to his insistance that Seattle "can't" afford this guy or that guy, because more often than not, Clayton is guessing ( obviously) just like the rest of us..

[HumanCockroach]

This discussion might be moot as Mayhew said today that although a deal hasn't yet been reached, the essential elements are in place.

?? You mean for Suh to return to Detroit? I wonder how they will make that fit, but I'm fine with Seattle spending the money elsewhere.. Julious Thomas, or Cameron Jordon would look nice in Seattle blue next season IMHO. While they are at it, there are a few DT's on the cheap that would be intriguing as well. I do hope they retain Dobbs, but I'm fine with Williams riding off into the sunset.

Hell, resign Maxie if they don't feel Simon can provide the same level of play..... For 6 million less than Suh cost, we could see what a defensive backfield would look like with Revis manning the other side opposite Sherman as well.... (LOL would be interesting to see how that played out)..

[Zorn76]

IMO, the odds are slim to none Suh lands here.

Here's some random guy's take on the whole thing, dated today.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/detro ... k-fairley/

Not that this link is supposed to be any kind of authority on the matter. It just doesn't make sense for the Seahawks to go this route to begin with, given the (likely) prohibitive contract he'll demand.

[Steady_Hawk]

Zorn,

I'm not so sure. Pete went to great lengths to get Percy, and Suh would be easier as no trade compensation would be required. We don't have the room for Suh without cutting for it. We could make the room. Now, if Suh's all about the payday you are right, we won't be in the Suh sweepstakes, but if he's serious about wanting to play in Seattle they could make him the highest paid DT and keep the cap from imploding at the same time. We would lose 3-4 players to make it happen, which I'm okay with personally, but I understand others reluctance on this matter. Also, the cap has been going up lately. I'm not sure if that will hit a ceiling soon, but if it made another 10 Mil jump that would make Suh's contract that much easier to afford. On top of that, I believe we have 7 Mil in dead cap space that opens up next year from the Harvin experiment.

I don't think there is anyway Detroit retains Suh. They can't afford to FT him, and it sounds like he wants out of Detroit quite frankly. Again, this is a move I think you have to make if you can. Suh would take this Defense to a new level. I have fantasized what this D would look like with Tez loading the middle, and now we could possibly see it with Suh.

Times a ticking. March 2nd will be here very soon.

[Zorn76]

Zorn,

I'm not so sure. Pete went to great lengths to get Percy, and Suh would be easier as no trade compensation would be required. We don't have the room for Suh without cutting for it. We could make the room. Now, if Suh's all about the payday you are right, we won't be in the Suh sweepstakes, but if he's serious about wanting to play in Seattle they could make him the highest paid DT and keep the cap from imploding at the same time. We would lose 3-4 players to make it happen, which I'm okay with personally, but I understand others reluctance on this matter. Also, the cap has been going up lately. I'm not sure if that will hit a ceiling soon, but if it made another 10 Mil jump that would make Suh's contract that much easier to afford. On top of that, I believe we have 7 Mil in dead cap space that opens up next year from the Harvin experiment.

I don't think there is anyway Detroit retains Suh. They can't afford to FT him, and it sounds like he wants out of Detroit quite frankly. Again, this is a move I think you have to make if you can. Suh would take this Defense to a new level. I have fantasized what this D would look like with Tez loading the middle, and now we could possibly see it with Suh.

Times a ticking. March 2nd will be here very soon.

It's starts (and ends) with money, just like most players, in any sport.

The good news is, we don't need him.

For how savvy we draft, we can take that kind money and bring in several guys who would help the team.

Beyond that, Suh's a self centered prick who's begging for a suspension here soon enough.

Let somebody else babysit him.

"Dan Snyder: White courtesy phone."

EDIT - I'm not here to dis anybody who feels differently, but FA contracts like this seldom work out.

[NorthHawk]

Haloti Ngata might become available.
The Ravens don't seem to want to pay him 8.5 million this year.
Might he be worth that amount to plug the interior/push the pocket?

[savvyman]

Pro Football Focus has a short podcast out this week about Suh.

They talk about how he has come into his own the past two seasons and especially this most recent season.

The number 1 team on their list of potential landing places for Suh if he hits free agency? - - Seattle