Seahawks4Ever wrote:Bob, you have ben the voice of patience with your "wait until TC mantra", but, you have to admit Training Camp is just around the corner.
Sure, Russell told the press that his contract negotiations are nobodies business but him and the F/O. That is what I expect to hear from RW being the classy guy that he is. Neither side is willing to negotiate through the press. Should that change then I would say they were at an impasse, as long as they are talking they are not at an impasse which was the point Pete tried to make last week.
But, it is telling that first Russell's agent then Russell himself volunteered to the press that he is ready to play w/o a new contract. They were sending Pete & John a clear message. We all know the Seahawks would have to pay Wilson a whole lot more if they have to FT him rather than get a deal done this off season. The longer the F/O drags their foot the more it is going to cost them, the bigger hit on the salary cap. Unless of course it doesn't. Both John and Pete have said they are going to stick to their system (unless your name is Lynch) and no one player is worth blowing up the system.
You know, when they threw away a #1 pick foe Percy Harvin he was under contract for for a few more seasons but what did John do? he tore up Harvin's contract salary cap be damned and gave him a lot more money, guaranteed. They had done the very same with Syndey Rice and they got very little production in return.
I once said that the high draft picks that Schneider threw away by over paying in certain trades was going to bite him in the behind, and it has. The depth we had in SB 48 run is long gone. He has also failed to build up the O-line, that simply cannot be denied.
Schneider, by paying Harvin and Rice way more than he needed to now doesn't have the money/cap space to pay RW what he deserves and maybe not even BWags.
Myself, I was hopping that J.S. would have moved heaven & Earth right after the Super Bowl to get Wilson resigned and then the FTag could be used on Bobby Wagner if necessary.
Last off season he got deals done with E.T. and Sherman done right away and it paid off. Look how much more other teams had to pay their top notch D-backs.
The longer our F/O drags their feet to resign Wilson he is watching lesser players get paid more than the Hawks have offered and that can hardly be comforting.
The NFL is a business, an entertainment business and in this era you can't get too attached to players because any player can be traded at any time.
Seahawks4Ever wrote:Schneider, by paying Harvin and Rice way more than he needed to now doesn't have the money/cap space to pay RW what he deserves and maybe not even BWags.
Anthony wrote:
Good points when it boils right down to it, though I have no direct proof maybe while they are saying all the right things, they just do not value Rw, maybe they really do think any mobile QB would do, with this team. I mean if you really think about it they have already shown Lynch means more to them than Wilson does, but redoing his contract while he still have years left and by giving him more money again this past year. Maybe their getting Graham was not about Wilson but about getting better talent so they can get a cheaper QB. We will see, but no matter how much we want to say no or ignore it the possibilities I raised are possible.
c_hawkbob wrote:
mykc14 wrote:
First of all you claim they have shown Lynch he means more to the team by redoing his contract when he had a year left. Hello! If they resign RW this offseason, which everybody hopes they do, they would be redoing his contract when he still has a year left (they also signed Sherm, ET, Kam, and others when they still had a year left). Secondly, you are right you have no direct proof that they don't value RW and tons of proof that they do value RW. Thirdly you have complained the last two years about the team getting talent around RW and when they finally do you change your tune and say it is now getting talent so they can get rid of RW, come on. Lastly, of course the issues you raised during the season about the Hawks not resigning RW or RW not wanting to resign are possible they always have been possible they just aren't very likely. They weren't likely then and they still are not likely. Also if something is a 'possibility' then by definition it is 'possible.'
c_hawkbob wrote:
Anthony wrote:
Ahh no they would be giving him an extension, they redid Lynchs contract even though he had years left huge difference.
mykc14 wrote:
Ahh no they extended Lynch this offseason, he was set to be a FA after 2015 so he had 1 year left on his contract. I provided a link so you can see it with your own eyes.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seah ... awn-lynch/
Really? Are they past some invisible point to sign him this offseason? Can they still give him an extension this offseason? If they do, which I still think they will, wouldn't that be extending him when he still has 1 year left on his contract? I don't know what you infatuation with turning this into a Lynch vs. Wilson thing but you really have a hard on for that argument. I really doubt the FO feels that way put you have been arguing that point for awhile now. You praise the Colts for getting Gore and Andre Johnson and then complain about the Hawks not putting pieces around Wilson. Then they lock up a WAY WAY better RB by resigning Lynch and you say that is basically a slap in Wilson's face because they did him first and then the trade for a WAY WAY better receiving option and that somehow now is just so they can get rid of Wilson. LOL, man you are just delusional. How many pallets of Toilet Paper do you still have from Y2K?
c_hawkbob wrote:Clayton might be on solid ground hearing things about the time frame of the signing, but the contract details sound more like speculation than new information. Either way I hope it happens!
Anthony wrote:
Thanks for playing
HumanCockroach wrote:Anthony, your position on Lynch vs Wilson has so many flaws I could spend hours explaining the differences, but ALL that needs to be pointed out is this ONE thing. Wilson WILL be playing this year under the terms of his rookie deal, because, well he HAS to per the NFL scale rules, his salary is "set in stone", meaning using a shuffling of money for Lynch, a re worked contract, could be done for Lynch, and could NOT be done for Wilson. Your whole position is based on Wilson should have this contract reworked because Lynch did, when in fact even should Seattle want to make Wilson the highest paid player in history this season, they can't.
Your arguments have zero validity, or are even a possibility.
So thanks for playing.
Before being condescending towards Myck, you should at the least, you know wth you are talking about.
ANY player drafted or signed after the first round cannot renegotiate his final year of his contract ,which last I checked Wilson was not drafted in the first round ( the ONLY players that can have the last year torn up).
Good lord.
mykc14 wrote:
I don't know why you feel the need to talk down to me like that but you come off as a spoiled little boy trying to argue at the big boy table for the first time who can't realize how disjointed and ignorant his arguments are. Somehow you feel you have come up with some perfectly worded argument that has totally put the other person in their place, hence the 'thanks for playing' remark. I would go more into how much of your argument is wrong but I think HC did a good job of revealing the tip of the iceberg in the previous post. There are many more examples but you just choose to ignore them when they are brought up and I don't really like participating in exercises of futility, so just know most of the posts you make where you feel you have just 'put somebody in their place' or you say something like' thanks for playing' or 'ahhhh no' the guy reading is just laughing because of how far off your points are.
HumanCockroach wrote:No Anthony, the can't do anything of the sort. They can NOT rework the deal, give him more this coming season, or tear up the deal regardless of the contract they give him for after this year, no matter how much you want to claim it, it is not true. They COULD / CAN attempt to compensate him AFTER this season, with more money starting in 16', but not one penny more for this coming season than his original contract.
And honestly, I could see that as a negotiation point.
Truth is, you are simply wrong, and a simple look into the rookie salary rules would verify it, IF you weren't so Hell bent on making this some sort of Wilson vs. Lynch "battle", you could figure it out.
Anthony wrote:
Said the guy who responded to me with ". LOL, man you are just delusional. How many pallets of Toilet Paper do you still have from Y2K?" You threw the first stone not me.
RiverDog wrote:Anthony, this comparison of yours of Wilson's impasse and Lynch's contract does not make sense. Wilson's contract is limited by the CBA whereas Lynch's isn't. They play different positions that have different expectations and are at different points on their personal timelines. I don't disagree with your premise, ie that the Hawks set a bad precedent with their pampering of Lynch, but that precedent does not apply to Wilson, but it would apply to someone like Bennett.
If you are looking for a player to compare to Russell's situation to, look to Bobby Wagner, of whom is also in the final year of his rookie contract and that we are also looking to extend but that no deal seems eminent at this time.
mykc14 wrote:
I don't really feel like getting into a 'he started it' type of argument but you were sarcastic with your 'ahhhhh no' comment before my Y2K comment. If you want to talk about first stones I took that as the first stone.
Hawktawk wrote:Schneider is acting like an idiot on this deal. Hes been brilliant obviously but he has already cost the franchise money dragging his feet with Wilson.And he has lacked class by discussing things in the media that he hasn't even discussed with RW or his agent, a fact the agent gently alluded to in his recent comments. And allowing guys like Tannehill and Newton to push the bar even higher was a mistake. Of all people Wilson deserved a new deal the moment league rules would permit it. He is perhaps the biggest bargain in NFL history his first 3 years.Hes only going to get better. And you can talk about F tagging all day long but it doesn't guarantee any security for RW against injury.
At least 25 teams in this league would drop their starter like a hot potato if Wilson ever hit the market, probably more.
JS is embarrassing himself dragging this out.
Hawktawk wrote:Schneider is acting like an idiot on this deal. Hes been brilliant obviously but he has already cost the franchise money dragging his feet with Wilson.And he has lacked class by discussing things in the media that he hasn't even discussed with RW or his agent, a fact the agent gently alluded to in his recent comments. And allowing guys like Tannehill and Newton to push the bar even higher was a mistake. Of all people Wilson deserved a new deal the moment league rules would permit it. He is perhaps the biggest bargain in NFL history his first 3 years.Hes only going to get better. And you can talk about F tagging all day long but it doesn't guarantee any security for RW against injury.
At least 25 teams in this league would drop their starter like a hot potato if Wilson ever hit the market, probably more.
JS is embarrassing himself dragging this out.
jshawaii22 wrote:And I supposed their is no way that it's Wilson's camp that is 'dragging this thing out'? Why blame JS? How do you know? We don't know ANYTHING that has happened behind closed doors. To assume the 'blame' -- all 4 months of the window (Feb through May) is all on the team... you don't understand what a negotiation is.
By the way, this is being done to help the complete team. Every $1 m given to Wilson is 1m of good, decent other players, FA's, etc that we aren't going to be able to sign down the road.
HumanCockroach wrote:"The Seahawks reminded the rep that rookie wage rules housed in the collective bargaining agreement forbid them from restructuring Wilson's contract until after the third year."
Hmm its after his 3rd year
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... w-contract
So yeah they can they just do not want to because they want 1 more year of the steal that is Wilson, and they have said they do not renegotiate or change exiting contracts unless you name is Lynch obviously
And nowhere there does it say anything about tearing up his final year, not one place. It talks about the fact they could not discuss an extension, or changing his contract until after year three, but whatever. Sherman, Earl, Chancellor, Wright ALL were handled the SAME way, but because Lynch had money moved forward ( money he was already guaranteed, and was going to be paid regardless) we are all supposed to be up in arms? LMFAO.
Wilson WILL get extended, the Seahawks just are NOT going to dismantle the team to do it. If you want a team that values the QB and his weapons only, might I recommend switching fandom to another team, perhaps Detroit is more your style, GB, SF shortly could be a viable option, Philly loves offense though apparently not QBS, or Hell the Boys are always looking for Romo supporters, plenty of teams to choose from.
NorthHawk wrote:Sounds like a case of premature panication to me.
NorthHawk wrote:Sounds like a case of premature panication to me.
HumanCockroach wrote:[i
Wilson WILL get extended, the Seahawks just are NOT going to dismantle the team to do it. If you want a team that values the QB and his weapons only, might I recommend switching fandom to another team, perhaps Detroit is more your style, GB, SF shortly could be a viable option, Philly loves offense though apparently not QBS, or Hell the Boys are always looking for Romo supporters, plenty of teams to choose from.
mykc14 wrote:Ok Anthony you've lost me. Are you talking about them extending lynch this offseason? So they redid lynch's deal when he had 1 year left, right? Wilson has 1 year left, right? If the hawks re-sign him this offseason they will have done the same thing for Wilson that they did for lynch (and Clemons, kam, Sherman, ET, etc) right? So what the f are you arguing? Wait until they don't resign him this offseason (that's a big 'if' in my book but seems like a guarantee to you) before you start whining about how the FO took care of lynch with 1 year left but won't do it for Wilson. THEY STILL CAN! Again explain how you can justify praising the colts for surrounding luck with talent this offseason but criticize the hawks for giving Wilson more talent. Doesn't make much sense. Here's the bottom line: can the hawks still resign him before the F-tag even needs to be discussed? As long as the answer to that is 'yes' then there is nothing to worry about, i.e. If this gets into next season I might start getting concerned. Until then all you are doing is worrying about what might happen if 4 other things don't happen first.
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