Rusell Wilson is Being Greedy and Selfish and..............

[savvyman]

No - not when the Agent is destroying the Image & Brand of his client in the process with the General public is the Agent doing his job. Especially when his client was the most respected and admired athlete in the country. I would say that any agent who was doing this absolutely sucks at his job. I am no agent but I can assure you that I would never advise Russell to take the path that he has taken during these negotiations.

Go back and read my post from two months ago - Russell has been receiving advice from his agent that is NOT in his best interest. No good agent would allow a client with the Image that Russell Wilson has earned over the past 3 years to be destroyed so easily.

Russell was on his way to being this generation Michael Jordan as far as popularity and admiration from the public - No athlete anywhere had a greater respect and admiration from the public than Russell WIlson's - In 4 short months his agent - who is "ONLY doing what is best for Russell" (SARCASM) - has destroyed the Brand and image of Russell WIlson - I hardly call that doing a good job.

All of the advice he has given to Russell has been laced with a hidden agenda of promoting him and his agency in establishing their new market with NFL players. He knows that by getting the maximum amount of money along with any ground breaking guarantee clause that it will be big bucks for him and his agency in the future. And while he is doing this - Russell is the tool - or rather I should say the Fool - who will be paying the price as far as the loss of the respect and admiration from the public that he has worked so hard to build and has earned. Again for the umpteenth time - No good agent would allow this to happen to their client. By destroying his image, Russell future off the field earnings could be in jeopardy by the 10's of millions of dollars.

However - all the blame lies with Russell for choosing this joker to be his agent and allowing himself to be used in such a manner.

Back to my point about being stupid and how Russell & his agent are\has destroying his image - Look at the fans turning on him:


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/06/russell-wilson-says-god-spoke-to-him-right-after-super-bowl-interception/#comments

[RiverDog]

[Back to my point about being stupid and how Russell & his agent are\has destroying his image - Look at the fans turning on him:


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/06/russell-wilson-says-god-spoke-to-him-right-after-super-bowl-interception/#comments

The "fans" aren't necessarily 12's, they're just fans in general. When Seahawk fans start turning on him, then I'll get concerned.

Having said that, I was pretty surprised that Russell would open up like that, in particular his comments about premarital sex. The vast majority of American adults have engaged in premarital sex, so he's placing himself in a very rare minority with his statement and it could be used by some to imply that he thinks he's morally a better person than those of us that have had such a relationship. He's offering opinions on two of the three taboo subjects.

[Anthony]

Back to my point about being stupid and how Russell & his agent are\has destroying his image - Look at the fans turning on him:


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/06/russell-wilson-says-god-spoke-to-him-right-after-super-bowl-interception/#comments

Hate to tell you look at the subject..Religion enough said.

[NorthHawk]

No - not when the Agent is destroying the Image & Brand of his client in the process with the General public is the Agent doing his job. Especially when his client was the most respected and admired athlete in the country. I would say that any agent who was doing this absolutely sucks at his job. I am no agent but I can assure you that I would never advise Russell to take the path that he has taken during these negotiations.

Go back and read my post from two months ago - Russell has been receiving advice from his agent that is NOT in his best interest. No good agent would allow a client with the Image that Russell Wilson has earned over the past 3 years to be destroyed so easily.

Russell was on his way to being this generation Michael Jordan as far as popularity and admiration from the public - No athlete anywhere had a greater respect and admiration from the public than Russell WIlson's - In 4 short months his agent - who is "ONLY doing what is best for Russell" (SARCASM) - has destroyed the Brand and image of Russell WIlson - I hardly call that doing a good job.

All of the advice he has given to Russell has been laced with a hidden agenda of promoting him and his agency in establishing their new market with NFL players. He knows that by getting the maximum amount of money along with any ground breaking guarantee clause that it will be big bucks for him and his agency in the future. And while he is doing this - Russell is the tool - or rather I should say the Fool - who will be paying the price as far as the loss of the respect and admiration from the public that he has worked so hard to build and has earned. Again for the umpteenth time - No good agent would allow this to happen to their client. By destroying his image, Russell future off the field earnings could be in jeopardy by the 10's of millions of dollars.

However - all the blame lies with Russell for choosing this joker to be his agent and allowing himself to be used in such a manner.


Back to my point about being stupid and how Russell & his agent are\has destroying his image - Look at the fans turning on him:


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/06/russell-wilson-says-god-spoke-to-him-right-after-super-bowl-interception/#comments

So you are trying to prove a point using a PFT comment board? Have you ever read the comments when Seahawk articles are posted?
For the benefit of those who haven't, there are very few non idiotic responses to anything about the Hawks. Hell, there is a large contingent that still thinks Wilson is too short and is a game manager only, not to mention thinking Seattle is the biggest user of PED's.

[kalibane]

You do not know that. All we know was that most of the projections had him going much later than the 3rd round.

I'm not sure it even matters in this debate but there were people within the Philly organization, guys who were in the war room, who said they were absolutely going to take Wilson with their next pick and they ended up having to settle on Nick Foles. Heard them say it myself.

Besides I've often found quite a few unsourced rumors to be more valid than the stupid pre-draft projections. The draft pundits don't really know what execs are looking for, only what they like themselves and what their sources have told them.

[c_hawkbob]

That Wilson was "no more than a 5th round prospect" is a worse assumption than that he would have gone very shortly after we took him. It gives more credence to pre-draft prognostications (largely by guys with no more insight into team's draft boards than you or I have) than it does to post draft interviews from actual team representatives from inside actual draft war room. Worse it ignores the totally obvious evidence that there was indeed at least one NFL team with him rated where he went, the one that drafted him. That's about as concrete as evidence gets.

I'm also not sure I understand the point of it. It's my opinion that Russ would have spent no more than a season on the bench almost no matter who took him. He might not be looking at the leverage he has with us in these negotiations, but then, we wouldn't have been to the last couple Super Bowls either.

I think that these complicated contract negotiations are the best thing that have happened to both parties involved.

* edit * I guess I should have read Kal's second paragraph before chiming in ... it would have saved me a paragraph.

[obiken]

IF you read Mel Kipers guide, The ONLY reason RW wasnt a top 3 pick was his shortness. Leadership, accuracy, and toughness, he was a great prospect. ONLY his size kept him out of the the first round.
The trap I am falling into is can we get an average QB to take this team to the SB, especially IF we sign BW. Its a tough trap to stay out of mentally. Then I remind myself that in Hockey its about goalies, Soccer is about forwards, BB is about PG's, Baseball is about GM's coaches dont matter. Football is about QB's and coaches.
Yet even me, I still get drug into the black hole of thinking let him go, we can win with a great running game and defense, we get a better WR's and we have a great coach send RW down the road. Its a mental trap.

[burrrton]

You're right that it's a trap, obi, and one that should be avoided.

It's no coincidence that we went from 7-9 before RW arrived to averaging 12 wins (and 0.66 Superbowls) a year after with much of the same talent otherwise.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

I know our Seahawks, as they stand right now, are not a Superbowl team without him, but I don't know that Wilson will win another Superbowl in the near future if he goes to another team after next season. What team out there is one Russell Wilson away from the Superbowl? Meaning, they'd have to have the surrounding talent and the cap space to pay Wilson top dollar. The Buffalo Bills, maybe? I haven't looked into the cap for the other teams, but I just don't see a better situation for both sides than Russell Wilson playing for the Seahawks. Money isn't nothing, but it isn't everything either; there's got to be middle ground here.

[Anthony]

I know our Seahawks, as they stand right now, are not a Superbowl team without him, but I don't know that Wilson will win another Superbowl in the near future if he goes to another team after next season. What team out there is one Russell Wilson away from the Superbowl? Meaning, they'd have to have the surrounding talent and the cap space to pay Wilson top dollar. The Buffalo Bills, maybe? I haven't looked into the cap for the other teams, but I just don't see a better situation for both sides than Russell Wilson playing for the Seahawks. Money isn't nothing, but it isn't everything either; there's got to be middle ground here.

Buffalo, Denver, to name 2 and without trying. Then add in the ones that within a year or 2 of getting Wilson would be SB contenders.

[NorthHawk]

Yah, Buffalo is the closest thing to Seattle, but they don't have a QB.
With the talent on Buffalo's Offense, and their Defense looking like it will be one of the best, I think they would dominate with Russell playing QB.
Maybe even some above average QB could take them to the SB, but with Wilson they would dominate.

[obiken]

The Rams, that's all they need.

[savvyman]

So you are trying to prove a point using a PFT comment board? Have you ever read the comments when Seahawk articles are posted?
For the benefit of those who haven't, there are very few non idiotic responses to anything about the Hawks. Hell, there is a large contingent that still thinks Wilson is too short and is a game manager only, not to mention thinking Seattle is the biggest user of PED's.

The comments in the PFT article that I linked to include many from Seahawk fans - The Comments and the votes in that link are overwhelming anti-Russell Wilson. Also Russell had an excellent favorable image with national NFL fans - even futurerite has complimented Russell on several occasions. However - thanks to dumb Russell and his greedy, manipulative agent - this favor-ability image both nationally and locally shrinks with each passing day.

I cannot link every source to every comment - sometimes the reader needs to be following the story as it develops. However - I shared this link earlier on the Shack - It is from the Seattle Times so most people who are voting are local and 12th man. The Russell Unfavorable rating is coming in at 45% with over 4,000 Seahawk fans voting. (Previously it was Zero). So yes my premise and insight is showing to once again be 100% accurate.

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/fridays-poll-has-your-opinion-of-russell-wilson-changed/


And if Russell is going full Bible on everyone then perhaps he should re-read Mathew 19 : Verse 23-24 ... "and Jesus said to His disciples, "Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

[savvyman]

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Hate to tell you look at the subject..Religion enough said.

Anthony - I am sorry that this is so hard for you to accept - but the bottom line is that Russell and his agent has the Balls of the Seahawks organization in a vice grip and they have been and are continuing to squeeze them to get everything they can and want from the Seahawk organization.

[Uppercut]

Wow, Hawks could have traded RW to the Titans for the Marriotta pick and had another 3-4 years of a good value! Too late now. I can see RW headed to the Cowboys in 2016 as Romo fades or is injured.

[Anthony]

Anthony - I am sorry that this is so hard for you to accept - but the bottom line is that Russell and his agent has the Balls of the Seahawks organization in a vice grip and they have been and are continuing to squeeze them to get everything they can and want from the Seahawk organization.

Okay now prove it with actual facts? You cannot you have no clue what is going on as is speculated the whole hold up could be Allen not wanting to put 50 mil aside for guarantees. OR they do not want to do 5 years only 4. There is plenty of media speculation were the Hawks are the problem. You really do not know. You have just chosen to become a mindless media drone. Until it comes form Wilson, his agent or the Hawks I am not buying any of it. OH and FYI given they can control what Wilson does for at least 3 years Wilson doe snot have them in a vice...yet. after year 2 maybe but not know.

[Anthony]

The comments in the PFT article that I linked to include many from Seahawk fans - The Comments and the votes in that link are overwhelming anti-Russell Wilson. Also Russell had an excellent favorable image with national NFL fans - even futurerite has complimented Russell on several occasions. However - thanks to dumb Russell and his greedy, manipulative agent - this favor-ability image both nationally and locally shrinks with each passing day.

I cannot link every source to every comment - sometimes the reader needs to be following the story as it develops. However - I shared this link earlier on the Shack - It is from the Seattle Times so most people who are voting are local and 12th man. The Russell Unfavorable rating is coming in at 45% with over 4,000 Seahawk fans voting. (Previously it was Zero). So yes my premise and insight is showing to once again be 100% accurate.

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/fridays-poll-has-your-opinion-of-russell-wilson-changed/


And if Russell is going full Bible on everyone then perhaps he should re-read Mathew 19 : Verse 23-24 ... "and Jesus said to His disciples, "Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Dude give it a break like you they are all buying the media hype machine. None of them know what is really happening, they are just being drones like you. Until I hear it from the Hawks, Wilson or his agent I am not buying any of this and that is what any reasonable person who thinks for themselves would do.
FYI just because someone says they are a fan does not mean they really are. You should know that.

[politicalfootball]

You mean we're all going to regret the day he fired Bus Cook and brought in God to lead him to the promised land?

So this is two of us who are going to let God decide it we will both wait upon the Lord God to decide it.

[NorthHawk]

Whatever happened to free will?

[Anthony]

Whatever happened to free will?

It went out the door when judgmental, media drones became the norm

[obiken]

My problem is with some of you is by the time we know the numbers he will be gone, and any fan input will be lost..

[Anthony]

My problem is with some of you is by the time we know the numbers he will be gone, and any fan input will be lost..

So to you we should make our judgment based on assumptions, and guesses now rather than waiting till we actually know the truth. Hmm so I guess we no longer need the court system if you are accused your guilty. Welcome to American land of the free and home of the guilty without facts. Yeah seems there is an organization that thinks that way if you are a certain color you wrong, no truth, or fact required.

[NorthHawk]

I don't think fan input makes much difference for either side.
Each will do what they think is best for them.

[Anthony]

I don't think fan input makes much difference for either side.
Each will do what they think is best for them.

Agreed

[Futureite]

It is very believable to me that god spoke to Russell Wilson after that INT. You can refer to your higher power by many names, but however you choose to, I do believe "it" can and will use people to effect some purpose. And sometimes the outcome (of the event) is not always something we initially view as "positive". His belief regarding that moment is really not completely out of the box or esoteric, at all.

I actually respect Wilson more for having the courage to subject himself to ridicule for voicing a belief that others will clearly see as wacky or hokey. Can't see how this damages his image to anyone that followed him to begin with.

[obiken]

I am tired of those that use Religion to elevate themselves and not God. IF you want to elevate God go work for the poor and don't talk about it. If you want to preach, act decent when its hard. Praying in the end zone doesn't impress me, sorry.

[Anthony]

I am tired of those that use Religion to elevate themselves and not God. IF you want to elevate God go work for the poor and don't talk about it. If you want to preach, act decent when its hard. Praying in the end zone doesn't impress me, sorry.

Seems you have a problem with everyone. which is your problem

[Futureite]

I am tired of those that use Religion to elevate themselves and not God. IF you want to elevate God go work for the poor and don't talk about it. If you want to preach, act decent when its hard. Praying in the end zone doesn't impress me, sorry.

In general I agree with you. But I don't know that I've heard Wilson use his position as a pulpit. With respect to that last play, it's actually refreshing to hear an athlete basically thank god for putting him in a bad position to help show people how to deal with negative events. I get more tired of hearing athletes claim every win and accomplishment is because of god. It sounds very disengenuous to me.

[savvyman]

Stupid.

Two months ago I was the first to bring up what I thought was going to be a very difficult roadblock or giant obstacle in these negotiations - And that obstacle was how his agent would use Russell Wilson contract to expand his agency from Baseball to NFL Football players.

See my two posts below from two months ago on this topic - Page 5

http://www.hawkshack.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1372&hilit=agent&start=160


Today by all reports - and there are a number of them - Russell and his agent is asking for sky high money that will cripple the Salary Cap structure of the team and its ability to field a championship quality team. Furthermore - Russell and his agent is asking for a type of guarantee money that no NFL team has granted to a player yet - if the Seahawks were to agree to this guarantee it would cause reverberations on not only all future contracts but the past contracts of their other star players like Sherman, Thomas, Chancellor.

This is hardly the behavior of an "Un-selfish Team Player" which is how everyone used to view Russell and why the public had so much affection for him - well that and he wins games too.

Now - today thanks to Russell agent using Russell as his tool to expand his agency to a new market - by trying to negotiate the greediest contract in NFL history - which will make his agency look good to both current and future NFL players - and therefore more millions for Him - His demands for the greediest contract for Russell Wilson in NFL history that will benefit his business in the future is destroying the image of Russell Wilson with the General Public in the present and perhaps forever..

See the latest Russell WIlson Poll - and note that in the prior month Russell Wilson had a higher favorability rating than Mother Theresa, The Tooth Fairy & Santa Claus:


http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/fridays-poll-has-your-opinion-of-russell-wilson-changed/


I believe that Russell Wilson will probably end up with a higher contract with either the Seahawks or another team by using these hardball tactics than he would have by accepting Aaron Rodgers type money and signing with the Hawks now (and apparently that does not address the Guarantee condition that no NFL team has agreed to but Russell and his agent are demanding)

However - the cost to Russell in getting these extra 3-4 million per year will be an serious impact to his image with the public that will affect his off the field earnings - by what amount that is it is hard to speculate.

So in the end Russell WIlson is being Stupid by allowing his new agent to destroy his image - and make him look like another "Phony" with the general public (btw - personally I do not think Russell is a Phony) all so that his Agent can establish a new market for Business that will bring him future NFL players and many millions more.

Note - I am not blaming this situation on Russell's agent and his motivations - I blame this on Russell for entrusting this person and allowing him to influence his decision making and not seeing the obvious conflict of interest that I pointed out two months ago as noted in the link above.

So in the end Russell Wilson is being Selfish & Greedy &.......... very Stupid.

Yep - Everything that I wrote in several posts during the Russell Wilson contract negotiations turned out to be nearly 100% accurate (though I cannot find a single thing that I wrote or created a thesis about that wasn't accurate)

Exhibit A - See how people views of him have now turned negative - and how so many people now view Russell as a "Phony"

Scroll down the Seattle Times article and read the comments - sort by popularity:

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/why-russell-wilson-needs-to-water-down-his-recovery-claims/


Here is another of several articles where the writer comments about Russell's Phoniness:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2555884-russell-wilson-sending-a-dangerous-message-with-supposed-miracle-concussion-cure?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-league

>>>>>>>First, it feeds into a persistent notion that Wilson is a bit of a phony. The Rolling Stone story hints at some of this a bit, but sometimes, when Wilson talks, he reminds me of that car salesman guy in Fargo. Yeah but that Trucoat.<<<<<<<<


Nicely done Russell's Agent (and Russell) for the great job you did on turning the most liked athlete in the NFL into one of the more disliked players in the NFL in just a few months time.

[NorthHawk]

It's nothing that winning won't solve.

[Hawktawk]

Savvy not sure why you have a chub for Wilson like this. Theres plenty of better targets. I guess Lynch can diss the media and then wear his personal gear out to say he has nothing to say and see a huge spike in his personal gear sales.Sherman can hawk soup etc using his personality. But Wilson uses every attribute he possesses to promote himself, his faith, his charities and yeah, his product line and hes a phony, a used car salesman.

You're over the edge dude.You're the hypocrite.

[Anthony]

Yep - Everything that I wrote in several posts during the Russell Wilson contract negotiations turned out to be nearly 100% accurate (though I cannot find a single thing that I wrote or created a thesis about that wasn't accurate)

Exhibit A - See how people views of him have now turned negative - and how so many people now view Russell as a "Phony"

Scroll down the Seattle Times article and read the comments - sort by popularity:

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/why-russell-wilson-needs-to-water-down-his-recovery-claims/


Here is another of several articles where the writer comments about Russell's Phoniness:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2555884-russell-wilson-sending-a-dangerous-message-with-supposed-miracle-concussion-cure?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-league

>>>>>>>First, it feeds into a persistent notion that Wilson is a bit of a phony. The Rolling Stone story hints at some of this a bit, but sometimes, when Wilson talks, he reminds me of that car salesman guy in Fargo. Yeah but that Trucoat.<<<<<<<<


Nicely done Russell's Agent (and Russell) for the great job you did on turning the most liked athlete in the NFL into one of the more disliked players in the NFL in just a few months time.

Really that is what you got a bunch of BS taken out of context by a bunch of people who always to try know people down. Hate to tell you but people have bee n trying this with Wilson for years, the only difference is no you are paying attention to it. Who cares about the comments, people have been saying he is a phony for 2+ years, the only difference is you are now watching and reading because you think it proves your point which is does not, People always go after the ones on top. This is nothing new. Its does not prove your point other than there will always be people trying to knock you down. Guess what they have been trying to do9 that since Rw got into the league.

[monkey]

Russell may be a lot of things to all of us fans and now he is surpassing Tim Tebow in the "God Spoke to Me" interview he just gave. Not sure what to think, but it's kind of scary. If I had just thrown an interception to lose the SB, I just don't know if I'd be talking to God at that moment. Blaming him... maybe, but talking to him?

js

You said that Wilson's talking to GOD is kind of scary? Your post is epic sad!

You'd blame GOD for throwing an interception? WHY?!? He didn't throw the interception, in what POSSIBLE way could you blame HIM?

You wouldn't talk to GOD after having something painful happen to you?
Wow...you don't know Him then.
He's the VERY FIRST person I talk to no matter what the situation, good, bad, and every occasion in between.

There's nothing scary or surprising about someone who trusts in the LORD, talking to him immediately when having something bad happen.
If you knew Him, (and you can and should) you would do the same. He understands your pain, and He has a plan to use it to grow you into the kind of person He wants you to become, and to use it for His glory.
Wilson said that GOD wants to use the loss to show people how to (paraphrasing) overcome adversity with grace. Yup, sounds like GOD to me.

[monkey]

BTW, you people (Savvyman I am looking at you especially) who are criticising Wilson, really should do some homework beforehand.
All of these posts, all that "research" and yet you have failed to realize that just as early as last season the NFL's golden boy Tom Brady was pushing a powder that would "cure concussions" as well. In fact, MANY athletes have pushed all kinds of nonsensical stuff, from magnetic bracelets to brass back braces etc...none of them any more than a placebo at best.
The difference is, the media is going after Wilson precisely because of his belief in GOD, and because he has claimed to hear Him. The media is using this to make the point that, those crazy religious people will fall for ANY nonsense, see how loony they all are?

Wilson isn't the loony one. He may be duped on this miracle water thingy (I believe he is), but smarter and better people than Russell Wilson have been duped into believing all sorts of things! That doesn't make him criminally negligent (as I have seen implied) or a bad person (as I have seen flat out stated) or crazy for his belief in GOD.
I think anyone who doesn't believe in the existence of GOD, and who will not soften their hearts to listen to GOD's still small voice, is the loony!

I'm so tired of all these passive aggressive attacks on Wilson's character, and through him, on anyone who has faith in Jesus Christ. It's pathetic and obvious what the media is doing.

[burrrton]

Russell may be a lot of things to all of us fans and now he is surpassing Tim Tebow in the "God Spoke to Me" interview he just gave. Not sure what to think, but it's kind of scary.

Not real familiar with the Christian belief system, are you?

[Zorn76]

Much ado about nothing.

[obiken]

Non story I could care less what they believe and all about how they play.

[NorthHawk]

BTW, you people (Savvyman I am looking at you especially) who are criticising Wilson, really should do some homework beforehand.
All of these posts, all that "research" and yet you have failed to realize that just as early as last season the NFL's golden boy Tom Brady was pushing a powder that would "cure concussions" as well. In fact, MANY athletes have pushed all kinds of nonsensical stuff, from magnetic bracelets to brass back braces etc...none of them any more than a placebo at best.
The difference is, the media is going after Wilson precisely because of his belief in GOD, and because he has claimed to hear Him. The media is using this to make the point that, those crazy religious people will fall for ANY nonsense, see how loony they all are?

Wilson isn't the loony one. He may be duped on this miracle water thingy (I believe he is), but smarter and better people than Russell Wilson have been duped into believing all sorts of things! That doesn't make him criminally negligent (as I have seen implied) or a bad person (as I have seen flat out stated) or crazy for his belief in GOD.
I think anyone who doesn't believe in the existence of GOD, and who will not soften their hearts to listen to GOD's still small voice, is the loony!

I'm so tired of all these passive aggressive attacks on Wilson's character, and through him, on anyone who has faith in Jesus Christ. It's pathetic and obvious what the media is doing.

This should be in the Off Topic forum, but so be it.
So Russ talks to god, and god tells him what to do, and Russ falls for snake oil, ergo, God is fallible.
Face it, man's belief in God is simply a crutch for those that can't come to terms with the concept that this is all there is and when we die nothing else happens. We're just like any other animal or creature in that regard.

[burrrton]

Face it, man's belief in God is simply a crutch for those that can't come to terms with the concept that this is all there is and when we die nothing else happens. We're just like any other animal or creature in that regard.

How profound, North.

Jeezus, people- if someone chooses to believe in something other than "dust to dust", just get over it. It's an almost universal characteristic of the human condition and you have no more claim to righteousness than anyone else.

[monkey]

This should be in the Off Topic forum, but so be it.
So Russ talks to god, and god tells him what to do, and Russ falls for snake oil, ergo, God is fallible.
Face it, man's belief in God is simply a crutch for those that can't come to terms with the concept that this is all there is and when we die nothing else happens. We're just like any other animal or creature in that regard.

It's funny how when someone mocks Christians and their beliefs, no one points out that their post ought to be in the Shack instead of the main forum, but when a Christian defends their world view, (apparently a taboo in modern society), they're quickly told to get back in their prayer closet.

Face it, just because your heart is too hard to listen to GOD's voice you have decided that must not be GOD even though MILLIONS of people who are most definitely NOT crazy, (including myself) believe so strongly that they would die for their faith. Christians world wide KNOW that they "hear" GOD speak to them, (myself included), and while you may not agree with me, I can promise you that I am not delusional, not insane, and not imagining it. (If I were going to use my imagination to invent a GOD, I would invent one that would be pro fornication, and would be extremely interested in making me filthy rich!)
Man's belief in GOD comes from the simple fact that, nothing comes from nothing, ergo for anything to exist, something always had to.