Our impending Free Agents

[burrrton]

Chris Clemons-Gone
Golden Tate-Gone
Red Bryant-Gone
Russell Okung-Gone

What are you talking about??

[Anthony]

All 4 will be missed and hopefully Schneider will find a way to keep a couple of them.

Steve Haushka might just possibly be a casualty if he asks for too much money.
Walter Thurmond III- I would really hate to see him go but I think he will be having delusions of how much he should be paid
Sydney Rice-Gone
Bruce Irvin-Gone
Those two won't be missed
Chris Clemons-Gone
Golden Tate-Gone
Red Bryant-Gone
Russell Okung-Gone
They need to cut deeper this year because after next season they will have to pay pout some real money to RW and the most of the LOB. If they can extend the contracts on ET and KC now it will make resigning Russell Wilson and Richard Sherman a lot easier.

Uhh yeah so you have a lot of wrong in this one so let me help you

Sydney Rice-Gone
Bruce Irvin-Still on Rookie contract so no reason to let him go

Chris Clemons-Maybe depends if he will redo
Golden Tate-Here unless he asks for to much
Red Bryant-Maybe depends if he will redo
Russell Okung-Maybe depends if we can get better for less

See its not so cut and dry on those you are talking about.

[Zorn76]

I like Tate, his skill set, and the fact that he's turned into the playmaker Pete & John envisioned when we drafted him a few years ago.

But few players fall into the irreplaceable category, and he isn't one of them. I think we bring in more prospects there whether he stays or goes anyhow. Need another burner at the position anyway, IMO.

Beyond that, yeah, we need to resign both Bennett (and Avril) in my mind.

I just think that no matter how it shakes out, we'll be fine. We can't count on finding diamonds in the rough every draft, but our scouting and philosophy have shown to be solid for several years running now.

OL is the biggest issue. If we can improve that appreciably, then everything else falls into place.

[NorthHawk]

All 4 will be missed and hopefully Schneider will find a way to keep a couple of them.

Steve Haushka might just possibly be a casualty if he asks for too much money.
Walter Thurmond III- I would really hate to see him go but I think he will be having delusions of how much he should be paid
Sydney Rice-Gone
Bruce Irvin-Gone
Those two won't be missed
Chris Clemons-Gone
Golden Tate-Gone
Red Bryant-Gone
Russell Okung-Gone
They need to cut deeper this year because after next season they will have to pay pout some real money to RW and the most of the LOB. If they can extend the contracts on ET and KC now it will make resigning Russell Wilson and Richard Sherman a lot easier.

Uhh yeah so you have a lot of wrong in this one so let me help you

Sydney Rice-Gone
Bruce Irvin-Still on Rookie contract so no reason to let him go
Those two won't be missed
Chris Clemons-Maybe depends if he will redo
Golden Tate-Here unless eh asks for to much
Red Bryant-Maybe depends if he will redo
Russell Okung-Maybe depends if we can get better for less

See its not so cut and dry on those you are talking about.

So, who do you see playing LT?
When Okung was out, it was a mess on the left side of the line.

[Eaglehawk]

Sydney Rice-Gone
Bruce Irvin-Gone
Those two won't be missed
Chris Clemons-Gone
Golden Tate-Gone
Red Bryant-Gone
Russell Okung-Gone
All 4 will be missed and hopefully Schneider will find a way to keep a couple of them.

Steve Haushka might just possibly be a casualty if he asks for too much money.
Walter Thurmond III- I would really hate to see him go but I think he will be having delusions of how much he should be paid

They need to cut deeper this year because after next season they will have to pay pout some real money to RW and the most of the LOB. If they can extend the contracts on ET and KC now it will make resigning Russell Wilson and Richard Sherman a lot easier.

I will go out on a limb here and say that I PREDICT 100 PERCENT that Sidney Rice will be a Seahawk next season. When they announce that he will be back, I want all of you posters to remember my prediction. Not the ones that agree with me, just the ones that disagree. DEAL?

[HumanCockroach]

Sydney Rice-Gone
Bruce Irvin-Gone
Those two won't be missed
Chris Clemons-Gone
Golden Tate-Gone
Red Bryant-Gone
Russell Okung-Gone
All 4 will be missed and hopefully Schneider will find a way to keep a couple of them.

Steve Haushka might just possibly be a casualty if he asks for too much money.
Walter Thurmond III- I would really hate to see him go but I think he will be having delusions of how much he should be paid

They need to cut deeper this year because after next season they will have to pay pout some real money to RW and the most of the LOB. If they can extend the contracts on ET and KC now it will make resigning Russell Wilson and Richard Sherman a lot easier.

I will go out on a limb here and say that I PREDICT 100 PERCENT that Sidney Rice will be a Seahawk next season. When they announce that he will be back, I want all of you posters to remember my prediction. Not the ones that agree with me, just the ones that disagree. DEAL?

I would really like Rice back, but unless he takes a bargain basement contract ( like the veteran minimum or 1 million dollar type deal) just don't see it happening. It could happen, just seriously doubt it. Tate brings more to the table with all he can do, but if the demand is too high that ship is sunk as well. Baldwin will be matched, as will Kearse ( RFA) I really like Rices leadership ability, and when he is on the field he adds another level to the offense, but at 9 million, nah, not happening.

[savvyman]

I have been thinking that if they cannot sign Bennett to a longer term deal then why not franchise him for one more year run at a Superbowl?

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Expensive? Sure but not much more than the first year of a multi-year contract for Bennett.

[RiverDog]

I'm wondering if some of Okung's holding problems this year were because of the lingering issues with his toe.
If you can't move quite as well, you have to take some liberties.

Regarding Bennett, I think it will be a surprise if he does re-sign here, but I'm still hopeful at this point.

Without doing my homework, I get the sense that Okung got called for holding an inordinate amount of time even before his toe injury... unless I'm holding him to a higher standard due to the frequency of which his predecessor got called for holding.

Agreed about Bennett. These older guys are more likely to want to make their money while they can, so it wouldn't surprise me if he bolts. He got what he came for, ie a ring.

[RiverDog]

Yea, Okung commits too many penalties and gets beat too often for a Pro Bowl LT, but I have to force myself not to hold him to too high of a standard because of what his predecessor did.

I was going to say something similar to this. Okung has lowered himself a rung in my inconsequential mind, but I don't know how much of that is due to a combination of his injury and his following a Sure-Fire-First-Ballot-Hall-of-Famer.

Maybe I'd be easier on him if I didn't think he was capable of emulating Big Walt to some degree.

I was spoiled with our 'set it and forget it' left side (kinda like I may be getting with Sherm's elimination of the defensive right side of the field). I'd like that again with Okung.

I did the same thing after Largent retired. I am way more intolerant of dropped passes by our WR's because Largent dropped fewer passes in a season than Darrell Jackson dropped in one quarter of one game. You watch a HOF player every weekend for 12-14 years and it tends to make you think that their level of performance is the norm.

[burrrton]

You watch a HOF player every weekend for 12-14 years and it tends to make you think that their level of performance is the norm.

Word.

[RiverDog]

Sydney Rice-Gone
Bruce Irvin-Gone
Those two won't be missed
Chris Clemons-Gone
Golden Tate-Gone
Red Bryant-Gone
Russell Okung-Gone
All 4 will be missed and hopefully Schneider will find a way to keep a couple of them.

Steve Haushka might just possibly be a casualty if he asks for too much money.
Walter Thurmond III- I would really hate to see him go but I think he will be having delusions of how much he should be paid

They need to cut deeper this year because after next season they will have to pay pout some real money to RW and the most of the LOB. If they can extend the contracts on ET and KC now it will make resigning Russell Wilson and Richard Sherman a lot easier.

I agree with Rice. He's either gone or he'll have to take a whale of a pay cut if he wants to stay, which he might. Tate has indicated that he's going to give us a home town discount, so we might be able to hang onto him, but we'll see what happens when a greedy agent starts filling his eyes with dollar signs.

Disagree with Irvin. I'm not impressed with him but he's a top 15 pick and if PC and JS were that impressed with him to spend that kind of draft capital on him, they won't give up on him after just two seasons. Besides, he's not making all that much, and cutting him doesn't save a lot of money.

Clemons and Bryant are likely to be asked to take pay cuts, so it will depend on their stance. I'll also throw in Zach Miller into that mix.

But you're way off base on Okung. There's a huge demand for LT's, almost as much as there are for QB's, and for all his injuries and holding penalties, he did make the Pro Bowl a season ago. We'd be foolish to let him go and he'd be foolish to accept a pay cut. At the very least, he'd make for some very good trade bait as he's still under contract, but I'm neither advocating or predicting that we choose that option. He stays at least another season.

Hauscka stays another year. Since it's cheap, we might slap the franchise tag on him like we did to Josh Brown a few years back.

[monkey]

Michael Bennet is gone.

I can't shake that feeling, too.

I don't get that feeling at all. In fact, I would say that it's 99.9% absolute we resign him.
The team wants him, he wants to stay, we have guys like Clemons we can cut to provide the cap room to sign him...I see absolutely no reason he leaves.
I'll be shocked if he's not playing in Seattle next year, seriously shocked.

We just have so much dead weight, or soon to be dead weight we can unload to stay relevant.
Sidney Rice. If he comes back it will be because he signed a VERY team friendly deal, otherwise he's gone. If it weren't for Pete Carroll's recent comments about how quickly he's healed, I'd say he's 100% gone.
Chris Clemons. I love the guy, but he's over 30, expensive, and his production has dropped dramatically.
Red Bryant. Also on the wrong side of the production curve. Still incredible against the run, grades out as one of the leagues best (along with Mebane), but is atrocious pass rushing, and can be replaced. If he's brought back it will be because he's a veteran presence we want to keep (what a great locker room guy!!!) and because he sings a team friendly deal to win another ring.
Zack Miller. A great blocking tight end, and a reliable pass catcher as well. Sadly his production just doesn't match his salary (though that's not entirely his fault, as he doesn't get targeted a lot obviously). We also have his replacement on the team already. We could lose him, and not miss a beat, as we still have a good blocking TE, and we have a faster pass catching TE as well with Willson.
Breno Giacaomini. Tough. Tough, tough guy! This year he cut down on the stupid penalties quite a bit as well, yet still was VICIOUS in the trenches. It's my belief that every team needs a guy like Breno, who just will not take carp from anyone, and will throw down whenever a teammate needs him to. Having said that, he's likely gone soon, unless he's willing to do a team friendly deal. For that matter, Russell Okung may very well get his deal reworked, don't be surprised at all if that happens as well.
Golden Tate. Said he's willing to give the hometown a discount, we'll see. I like the guy, he's a play maker after the catch, and is TOUGH to bring down...having said that, he's also replaceable. In fact, we have his replacement on the team, his name is Percy Harvin.

I don't know guys, there is plenty of "dead weight" that can be cut, plenty of cap room that can be made without affecting the team at all. We can EASILY get under the cap enough to not only bring back Bennett (which I think the team has a VERY high priority on!!) but also to give us room to start extending guys like Earl #2, Sherman #3 and next year Wilson, #1 priorities and stil be able to pick up a key free agent or two.

The people who are predicting cap hell just haven't been paying attention. We're not in cap hell, nor will we be as long as we stay on the track we're on now.
This team is really set up well to be the next New England Patriots type of dynasty (or at least what passes for it in this salary cap/free agency era).

[NorthHawk]

Okung's Cap number this year is $11,240,000, next year it's $7,280,000.
That's 4 million towards Russell next year.

Rices Cap number is $9,700,000 this year and $10,200,000 next year.
If we cut Rice, we would save $7,300,000 this year and $9,000,000 next year.

Clemons Cap number is $9,666,668 and if cut the savings would be $7,500,000.

Cutting Rice and Clemons gives us $14,800,000 extra this year.

Red Bryant and Zach Miller would give us 5 and 5.5 million in Cap savings respectively this year.

It seems like there is a lot of room to maneuver if willing to let some of these guys go.

[Eaglehawk]

Sydney Rice-Gone
Bruce Irvin-Gone
Those two won't be missed
Chris Clemons-Gone
Golden Tate-Gone
Red Bryant-Gone
Russell Okung-Gone
All 4 will be missed and hopefully Schneider will find a way to keep a couple of them.

Steve Haushka might just possibly be a casualty if he asks for too much money.
Walter Thurmond III- I would really hate to see him go but I think he will be having delusions of how much he should be paid

They need to cut deeper this year because after next season they will have to pay pout some real money to RW and the most of the LOB. If they can extend the contracts on ET and KC now it will make resigning Russell Wilson and Richard Sherman a lot easier.

I will go out on a limb here and say that I PREDICT 100 PERCENT that Sidney Rice will be a Seahawk next season. When they announce that he will be back, I want all of you posters to remember my prediction. Not the ones that agree with me, just the ones that disagree. DEAL?

I would really like Rice back, but unless he takes a bargain basement contract ( like the veteran minimum or 1 million dollar type deal) just don't see it happening. It could happen, just seriously doubt it. Tate brings more to the table with all he can do, but if the demand is too high that ship is sunk as well. Baldwin will be matched, as will Kearse ( RFA) I really like Rices leadership ability, and when he is on the field he adds another level to the offense, but at 9 million, nah, not happening.

Yeah HC, LIke the movie Jerry McGuire "show me the money".
Gotta agree the reasons RICE leaving and staying are:
1. Reason for him to leave: Salary cap.
2. We won the SB pretty much without him.
3. Harvin is back, so there goes our tall receiver(but who knows if PERCY will stay healthy).
4. PC is talking up a storm AS IF Rice WILL be back. (This is the most solid reason I see for him staying)(Thanks Monkey for revealing my secret, ya rat bastard).
5. Maybe PC knows something we don't know that Rice will give the team a discount as well?
6. Rice has been quiet. (Deal or no deal?).

Which Poster talked about those "greedy agents" . Was that Savvy? EDIT**, it was RD. YOU MAKE AN EXCELLENT POINT. This is a worry of mine. The minute the agents say to any player, "but you're throwing away 4 million dollars NOW to POSSIBLY win another Superbowl", its ova.

Northhawk thanks for those salary numbers.
Looking at it again, I think we lose Bryant and Clemmons.
And Irvin possibly even though he is cheap if he stays then we lose Miller. The advantage Miller has is that WIllson has been growing, and even though he has shown some inconsistency with balls thrown his way, on other catches he looks like Ozzie Newsome.
Miller is a journeyman anyway like Jerevicius was. So I think he is gone.
If the others give a discount, we might just lose only Clemmons, Miller and Bryant. (And possibly Irvin).
Can't say anything else other than the fact that I hate this time of the year, NOTHING IS STATIC, known, and every single last one of us are guessing as to what might happen.

I still hope against hope that Rice can stay. Just think of Harvin AND Rice in the backfield!!! That was what was supposed to happen last season and we STILL won the SB. I just got a boner. But that may mean that Tate is gone? Oh F**__UCK!!!!Tough decisions are coming up. Decisions that only JS PC and the individual players have the answers to.

[briwas101]

Sydney Rice-Gone



I would really like Rice back, but unless he takes a bargain basement contract ( like the veteran minimum or 1 million dollar type deal) just don't see it happening. It could happen, just seriously doubt it. Tate brings more to the table with all he can do, but if the demand is too high that ship is sunk as well. Baldwin will be matched, as will Kearse ( RFA) I really like Rices leadership ability, and when he is on the field he adds another level to the offense, but at 9 million, nah, not happening.

Yeah HC, LIke the movie Jerry McGuire "show me the money".
Gotta agree the reasons RICE leaving and staying are:
1. Reason for him to leave: Salary cap.
2. We won the SB pretty much without him.
3. Harvin is back, so there goes our tall receiver(but who knows if PERCY will stay healthy).
4. PC is talking up a storm AS IF Rice WILL be back. (This is the most solid reason I see for him staying)(Thanks Monkey for revealing my secret, ya rat bastard).
5. Maybe PC knows something we don't know that Rice will give the team a discount as well?
6. Rice has been quiet. (Deal or no deal?).

Which Poster talked about those "greedy agents" . Was that Savvy? EDIT**, it was RD. YOU MAKE AN EXCELLENT POINT. This is a worry of mine. The minute the agents say to any player, "but you're throwing away 4 million dollars NOW to POSSIBLY win another Superbowl", its ova.

Northhawk thanks for those salary numbers.
Looking at it again, I think we lose Bryant and Clemmons.
And Irvin possibly even though he is cheap if he stays then we lose Miller. The advantage Miller has is that WIllson has been growing, and even though he has shown some inconsistency with balls thrown his way, on other catches he looks like Ozzie Newsome.
Miller is a journeyman anyway like Jerevicius was. So I think he is gone.
If the others give a discount, we might just lose only Clemmons, Miller and Bryant. (And possibly Irvin).
Can't say anything else other than the fact that I hate this time of the year, NOTHING IS STATIC, known, and every single last one of us are guessing as to what might happen.

I still hope against hope that Rice can stay. Just think of Harvin AND Rice in the backfield!!! That was what was supposed to happen last season and we STILL won the SB. I just got a boner. But that may mean that Tate is gone? Oh F**__UCK!!!!Tough decisions are coming up. Decisions that only JS PC and the individual players have the answers to.

Tate + Baldwin gave us better production than Harvin + Rice ever did or ever will.

Harvin and Rice might be recognizable names, but when it comes to production there are over 100 WRs i would rather have.

Harvin and Rice are nothing but hypotheticals and what-ifs.


The Seahawks were the only team in the NFL with 2 WRs making an average of $8m or more. THE ONLY TEAM!!!!!!!!!

Harvin + Rice COMBINED didn't even give us HALF the production of Doug Baldwin.


I really wish 12s would focus on the WRs going out there and winning games for us instead of the 2 guys who make like $1m per catch.

[Eaglehawk]

Tate + Baldwin gave us better production than Harvin + Rice ever did or ever will.

Because both Rice and Harvin were out most of the season for both with injuries. OR did you not see the same season I did.
Harvin and Rice might be recognizable names,
but when it comes to production there are over 100 WRs i would rather have. Can you name the over 100 WR's you would have? Oh, wait, no need to because its irrelevant since you are still comparing apples to oranges. Harvin and RIce were out for in Rice's case half the season and Harvin's case, the entire season. So yeah, you could see lots of production from other WR's that would smoke Harvin and Rice under your scenario.

Harvin and Rice are nothing but hypotheticals and what-ifs. Sorry if you missed that Kick off return in the second half of the SB. What a hypothetical!!!


The Seahawks were the only team in the NFL with 2 WRs making an average of $8m or more. THE ONLY TEAM!!!!!!!!!

Harvin + Rice COMBINED didn't even give us HALF the production of Doug Baldwin. Again due to injury.


I really wish 12s would focus on the WRs going out there and winning games for us instead of the 2 guys who make like $1m per catch.

I want Rice with the Seahawks if he takes the discount and your points did not in the least indicate to me why Rice should not be with us. Period. Rice is a playmaker. I hope he gives us a discount, but as others on this forum said, it may not happen. Going to bed.

[RiverDog]

Tate + Baldwin gave us better production than Harvin + Rice ever did or ever will.

Harvin and Rice might be recognizable names, but when it comes to production there are over 100 WRs i would rather have.
Harvin and Rice are nothing but hypotheticals and what-ifs.


The Seahawks were the only team in the NFL with 2 WRs making an average of $8m or more. THE ONLY TEAM!!!!!!!!!

Harvin + Rice COMBINED didn't even give us HALF the production of Doug Baldwin.


I really wish 12s would focus on the WRs going out there and winning games for us instead of the 2 guys who make like $1m per catch.

Sidney Rice gave us some really good production in 2012. He was the leading receiver on our team and he made some really tough, clutch catches. He caught nearly everything thrown his way. He's the only 'big' WR we have on our roster that features mostly guys that are sub 6', and when your QB is firing from a lower launch point than any other in the league, having a big receiver in the pattern is very desirable.

[Seahawks4Ever]

In what universe has Cindy Rice EVER had any production for the Seahawks??? He has been hurt the whole time except for a short period two seasons ago.

This whole, IF a certain player gives the "home" team a discount. What a bunch of baloney. Most of these players are from other parts of the country and while they loved winning the Super Bowl that will NOT be enough to give the Seahawks some mythical discount. Only GT has said he will take a "bit" less but if he thinks it is not enough he WILL sign else where.

There are just too many players who really have given the Seahawks production that will have to be paid in the next two seasons so those who have not lived up to their huge contracts they signed will just have to be CUT. Some may still be under contract, either trade 'em or cut 'em I don't care which. Red Bryant? Disappeared for long stretches. Chris Clemons? Signed for big busk got hurt and never did get back to form, bye bye to both of them. I would love it if we could keep Miller but he will ask for way to much. Okung is tricky, but he too knows how much LT's go for and he will demand big bucks and I just can't see paying him a lot when he is hurt all the time and is a penalty magnet. Bailey or that other guy can fight over his LT job and maybe for once Pete and John will get a #1 pick who isn't a bust and draft an O-Lineman. But we do pick @32 since we one it all.

I totally expect that John Schneider will find the Cap room to resign KC,ET,RS,MS, and RW and that is what it is about. Wilson and Sherman will be next year of course but JS isn't going to lock down so much money that resigning either of them would be put in jeopardy and that means cutting dead weight and not so dead weight now.

[HumanCockroach]

Kan Chancellor is already signed brainiac.

[NorthHawk]

It's often referred to as a Home Team Discount because many have bought homes in the area that they play. As well, when a player starts their career and stays with a team for 3 or more years, they often became men with that team.
Sure they aren't from there, but they do establish roots in their local communities.

[depaashaas]

To many scenario's. If Bennet can be resigned, Clemmons will mostlikely be gone but if Bennet is not coming back expect to see Clemmons there next year and does Bennet need surgery on that rotator cuff? Or are you going to sign him a big contract and see him tear that cuff up in the middle of next season. I expect Red Bryant back, there is just no body right now that can replace him and if you have to bring someone else in you are going to have to pay that person about the same and you loose a good locker room guy while you are at it, it is hard to loose a guy that plays good and is good locker room guy. I will be suprised is John Carpenter will be back (for same $$) he makes to much for a rotating guy. Sidney Rice should be gone but again not till they are sure that Tate will be back, even if Rice makes it back I expect him to take a pay cut. Zack Miller, great blocker but at to high of a price imo, with Luke Wilson showing promise and Anthony McCoy will be back next year so I don't expect Miller to be back with current deal. Okung, lots of holding calls on him this year but don't underestimate that toe injury and don't even start with "I have worked through injuries myself without a problem" Ok so you did and so did I, pretty sure both of us did not have to stop some healthy 275lbs a la Bennet from getting past you, but I am pretty sure Pete and John know what they want here better than any of us. Bruce Irvin, only had two sacks this year but he is still under his rookie contract and they moved him this year to different position, next year will be his make or break imo. This year how ever will be very intresting year, in the first three years for Pete and John they have been rebuilding somewhat cheap. In the past season they had every one pretty much in place that they wanted and this year will be the first year where they have to make some hard, hard choices.

[NorthHawk]

Bryant is interesting and a lot depends on their draft board.

They might select a guy like Stephon Tuitt at 32 to take a Reds place at a lower cost. He's a 3-4 DE, but that's how they use Red. DaQuan Jones is another possibility and at 6-3 333, he's more like Bryant physically.

I'd rather they take an OL to firm that side up, but who knows what the FO is thinking.

[RiverDog]

In what universe has Cindy Rice EVER had any production for the Seahawks??? He has been hurt the whole time except for a short period two seasons ago.

This whole, IF a certain player gives the "home" team a discount. What a bunch of baloney. Most of these players are from other parts of the country and while they loved winning the Super Bowl that will NOT be enough to give the Seahawks some mythical discount. Only GT has said he will take a "bit" less but if he thinks it is not enough he WILL sign else where.

There are just too many players who really have given the Seahawks production that will have to be paid in the next two seasons so those who have not lived up to their huge contracts they signed will just have to be CUT. Some may still be under contract, either trade 'em or cut 'em I don't care which. Red Bryant? Disappeared for long stretches. Chris Clemons? Signed for big busk got hurt and never did get back to form, bye bye to both of them. I would love it if we could keep Miller but he will ask for way to much. Okung is tricky, but he too knows how much LT's go for and he will demand big bucks and I just can't see paying him a lot when he is hurt all the time and is a penalty magnet. Bailey or that other guy can fight over his LT job and maybe for once Pete and John will get a #1 pick who isn't a bust and draft an O-Lineman. But we do pick @32 since we one it all.

I totally expect that John Schneider will find the Cap room to resign KC,ET,RS,MS, and RW and that is what it is about. Wilson and Sherman will be next year of course but JS isn't going to lock down so much money that resigning either of them would be put in jeopardy and that means cutting dead weight and not so dead weight now.

The 2012 universe. He played in all 16 regular season games and both playoff games. 50 catches, 748 yards. That's not Pro Bowl production and IMO it doesn't justify his current contract, but it was the most on our team that season and not a bad production considering the type of offense we run.

[Seahawks4Ever]

That looks like production to me too. I guess it was the fact that he would disappear for extended periods of time that I thought he played less.

he has NOT justified his contract mainly because he has essentially missed almost 2 full seasons. We have too many other cheaper options than to keep him around. The money we are paying Rice could and should go to a player that has earned a raise. Trade him to the Jaguars Gus would jump at the chance to get a weapon and maybe he will give up more than a 4th.. Why do I say a 4th. ? Because a 4th. is all we seem to get when we over pay for a player. Deon, Housh, etc...

We have kearse, Lockette, and I would rather give some of Rice's money to Golden Tate and keep him here.

[briwas101]

Tate + Baldwin gave us better production than Harvin + Rice ever did or ever will.

Because both Rice and Harvin were out most of the season for both with injuries. OR did you not see the same season I did.
Harvin and Rice might be recognizable names,
but when it comes to production there are over 100 WRs i would rather have. Can you name the over 100 WR's you would have? Oh, wait, no need to because its irrelevant since you are still comparing apples to oranges. Harvin and RIce were out for in Rice's case half the season and Harvin's case, the entire season. So yeah, you could see lots of production from other WR's that would smoke Harvin and Rice under your scenario.

Harvin and Rice are nothing but hypotheticals and what-ifs. Sorry if you missed that Kick off return in the second half of the SB. What a hypothetical!!!


The Seahawks were the only team in the NFL with 2 WRs making an average of $8m or more. THE ONLY TEAM!!!!!!!!!

Harvin + Rice COMBINED didn't even give us HALF the production of Doug Baldwin. Again due to injury.


I really wish 12s would focus on the WRs going out there and winning games for us instead of the 2 guys who make like $1m per catch.

I want Rice with the Seahawks if he takes the discount and your points did not in the least indicate to me why Rice should not be with us. Period. Rice is a playmaker. I hope he gives us a discount, but as others on this forum said, it may not happen. Going to bed.

Rice is a playmaker? He didn't make many plays from the bench if i remember correctly.

I had a long post written (and submitted) but I decided to edit it.

You clearly ignore injury history and will never be persuaded away from your beliefs. In your mind injured (former) pro bowlers are better than healthy unsung heroes.

Before the 2013 season I predicted that Tate and Baldwin would each have better seasons than Rice and Harvin. How did i make that CORRECT PREDICTION? Because i pay attention to injury histories.

PS: If Rice and Harvin were on the Niners you would be laughing at how much money they paid for so little production.

You would probably talk about how smart Schneider is for AVOIDING those two injured vikings WRs, and how it is just another reason that the Hawks' front office is better than the Niners.

If Rice and Harvin were on ANY other team, we would talk about how horrible those moves were. But because those players are on the Hawks it is okay to ignore reality and use double-standards and make excuses. Lesson learned.

[Eaglehawk]

Tate + Baldwin gave us better production than Harvin + Rice ever did or ever will.

Because both Rice and Harvin were out most of the season for both with injuries. OR did you not see the same season I did.
Harvin and Rice might be recognizable names,
but when it comes to production there are over 100 WRs i would rather have. Can you name the over 100 WR's you would have? Oh, wait, no need to because its irrelevant since you are still comparing apples to oranges. Harvin and RIce were out for in Rice's case half the season and Harvin's case, the entire season. So yeah, you could see lots of production from other WR's that would smoke Harvin and Rice under your scenario.

Harvin and Rice are nothing but hypotheticals and what-ifs. Sorry if you missed that Kick off return in the second half of the SB. What a hypothetical!!!


The Seahawks were the only team in the NFL with 2 WRs making an average of $8m or more. THE ONLY TEAM!!!!!!!!!

Harvin + Rice COMBINED didn't even give us HALF the production of Doug Baldwin. Again due to injury.


I really wish 12s would focus on the WRs going out there and winning games for us instead of the 2 guys who make like $1m per catch.

I want Rice with the Seahawks if he takes the discount and your points did not in the least indicate to me why Rice should not be with us. Period. Rice is a playmaker. I hope he gives us a discount, but as others on this forum said, it may not happen. Going to bed.

Rice is a playmaker? He didn't make many plays from the bench if i remember correctly.

I had a long post written (and submitted) but I decided to edit it.

You clearly ignore injury history and will never be persuaded away from your beliefs. In your mind injured (former) pro bowlers are better than healthy unsung heroes.

Before the 2013 season I predicted that Tate and Baldwin would each have better seasons than Rice and Harvin. How did i make that CORRECT PREDICTION? Because i pay attention to injury histories.

PS: If Rice and Harvin were on the Niners you would be laughing at how much money they paid for so little production.

You would probably talk about how smart Schneider is for AVOIDING those two injured vikings WRs, and how it is just another reason that the Hawks' front office is better than the Niners.

If Rice and Harvin were on ANY other team, we would talk about how horrible those moves were. But because those players are on the Hawks it is okay to ignore reality and use double-standards and make excuses. Lesson learned.

A few questions for you:
1. Are you a doctor?
2. Why couldn't you name me the 100's of WR's that are better than Rice and Harvin?
3. Maybe you have a point about the homerism about some of us re Rice and Harvin. But if you read through most of our posts you would have seen that I have not been Coco for Coco Puffs re Harvin. Many have had our doubts re his injury situation. You are not the only one to voice that concern Doctor.
4. Our discussion re Rice will soon be moot as he may NOT give a discount and fly away. Its fine, but he will produce for another team OR ours, BOOK IT.
5. Lastly, I have no idea why you want Harvin gone, he is under contract, and will produce next season, unless you think that he will magically get injured next season as well. If you think that we should jettison Harvin, how do you propose we do that since its clear that Harvin is healthy and he was a major contributor in our SB win?
6. My mind can be changed, maybe. But you have to answer my questions so that I see your point, at minimum.

[HumanCockroach]

Jack isn't worth the time Eagle. He can't stick with the Wilson can't win a sb thing any longer, doesn't grasp the concept of free agency ( ie Irvins salary would still count against the cap if we cut him, so provides zero relief this season) talks about resigning Kam ( which happened last off season) etc... not worth it, some you can lead to water and all that..

[Eaglehawk]

Jack isn't worth the time Eagle. He can't stick with the Wilson can't win a sb thing any longer, doesn't grasp the concept of free agency ( ie Irvins salary would still count against the cap if we cut him, so provides zero relief this season) talks about resigning Kam ( which happened last off season) etc... not worth it, some you can lead to water and all that..

My brother HC, thank you for those words. I am HEALED. Jacks his name? Really? LOL. Oh no...memories...
I remembered when he said that Kam was not signed, I thought to myself? EH?

The way he writes I could swear that he and Futureite are brothers.

Again, HC, thanks! Another poster to add to my FOE list. Good bye Jack!

[Anthony]

Here is the deal we are keeping Harvin so get over it, As to Rice, Tate and Baldwin, We need at least 2 of them, and if 1 of them is not Rice we need to get a big, fast Wr in the draft or FA, we need some size. Realizing at this point we have Lockett and Kearse either way, but we still need that bid fast WR. Perhaps even if we keep rice we still should get one to take over. Personally I think unless he takes a he pay cut Rice is gone.

[depaashaas]

Hawks signed TE Travis beckum this morning, now they will have 4 TE, does not look good for Miller, its on Seahawks.com I am on cell phone and don't know how to copy and past on it

[NorthHawk]

I never got the impression that Harvin was signed as an every down receiver. Rather he was the guy who would come in for a change of pace and maybe make a big play. That and return kicks - even if I hate seeing him return punts and kickoffs. I know, it's a lot of money to not play him all the time, but with the Offense PC has demonstrated he wants, I just don't see Harvin as an every down WR.

Weren't Pete's Offenses at USC a bit like this, too? Good run games and a few game breaking plays or players the opposition has to account for?

[burrrton]

I just don't see Harvin as an every down WR.

Why? Outside of injury, hasn't he always been an 'every down' WR??

[Anthony]

All 4 will be missed and hopefully Schneider will find a way to keep a couple of them.

Steve Haushka might just possibly be a casualty if he asks for too much money.
Walter Thurmond III- I would really hate to see him go but I think he will be having delusions of how much he should be paid
Sydney Rice-Gone
Bruce Irvin-Gone
Those two won't be missed
Chris Clemons-Gone
Golden Tate-Gone
Red Bryant-Gone
Russell Okung-Gone
They need to cut deeper this year because after next season they will have to pay pout some real money to RW and the most of the LOB. If they can extend the contracts on ET and KC now it will make resigning Russell Wilson and Richard Sherman a lot easier.

Uhh yeah so you have a lot of wrong in this one so let me help you

Sydney Rice-Gone
Bruce Irvin-Still on Rookie contract so no reason to let him go
Those two won't be missed
Chris Clemons-Maybe depends if he will redo
Golden Tate-Here unless eh asks for to much
Red Bryant-Maybe depends if he will redo
Russell Okung-Maybe depends if we can get better for less

See its not so cut and dry on those you are talking about.

So, who do you see playing LT?

What part of "Maybe depends if we can get better for less" is confusing, Okung is here unless they find someone better for less
When Okung was out, it was a mess on the left side of the line.

[NorthHawk]

So, who do you see playing LT?

What part of "Maybe depends if we can get better for less" is confusing, Okung is here unless they find someone better for less
When Okung was out, it was a mess on the left side of the line.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

So it sounds like you think it's possible to get a better player than a former Pro Bowl selection for less money.
I guess in the draft if we are lucky, but any player of that calibre will cost a lot in the bidding wars of Free Agency. As well, JS has not shown much inclination to sign high value FA's so I doubt he would let a very good player go and spend top dollar on a FA.

[Futureite]

Though it's understandable, I find the notion of loyalty a bit laughable in the NFL. You have a unique skill and a very, very amall window of opportunity to maximize its market value. These 4, 5 or 6 yrs set these player's up for life, financially speaking. When faced with the realistic possibility of life long medical bills, you can never have enough money. I think.any player (especially a D-lineman) is making an intelligent move by offering his services to the highest bidder. We all know how loyal these teams are to the player at the first sign that his skull set is declining. The player has to look out for his own needs as well.

[HumanCockroach]

While it is uncommon, it certainly isn't unheard of. "Hometown discounts" happen, and have been happening for decades. I doubt any player jumps ship from a team like Seattle or San Francisco for an extra 200 thousand a year, and head off to Cleveland or Buffalo. For all that is said, winning does matter to players, period. Some may follow the dollars ( and I certainly am not one to blame them for doing so) but I think people that believe ALL players do so, are so cynical as to not grasp that some players understand the opportunity for wins is something that many players grasp as viable reasons to either take less or sign with a team for less. NE, SF etc did it for years during their runs. I would think someone from SF could and would grasp that.

It isn't as though I am saying that Bennett or Tate etc will take league minimum to stay, just that they aren't just looking for the biggest check either. There are more factors involved than simply dollar signs.

[RiverDog]

Though it's understandable, I find the notion of loyalty a bit laughable in the NFL. You have a unique skill and a very, very amall window of opportunity to maximize its market value. These 4, 5 or 6 yrs set these player's up for life, financially speaking. When faced with the realistic possibility of life long medical bills, you can never have enough money. I think.any player (especially a D-lineman) is making an intelligent move by offering his services to the highest bidder. We all know how loyal these teams are to the player at the first sign that his skull set is declining. The player has to look out for his own needs as well.

I hear what you're saying. It didn't take our fan base very long to turn on Shawn Alexander, and on the other side of the spectrum, Steve Hutchinson pulled a dirty underhanded trick to force his way out of here two months after having gone to a SB to go to a franchise that wasn't regarded in most circles as being a contender. Disloyalty is a two way street.

But I'd rate it a bit higher than calling it laughable. It varies from player to player. Golden Tate has come out and said that he'll take less to resign with the Hawks. Michael Bennett has said that staying here is his preference, but stops way short of what Tate has said about it. If a player has a good experience in his time with a team, that team will have an advantage over others when it comes time to resign him, ie a home town discount.

[Futureite]

Though it's understandable, I find the notion of loyalty a bit laughable in the NFL. You have a unique skill and a very, very amall window of opportunity to maximize its market value. These 4, 5 or 6 yrs set these player's up for life, financially speaking. When faced with the realistic possibility of life long medical bills, you can never have enough money. I think.any player (especially a D-lineman) is making an intelligent move by offering his services to the highest bidder. We all know how loyal these teams are to the player at the first sign that his skull set is declining. The player has to look out for his own needs as well.

I hear what you're saying. It didn't take our fan base very long to turn on Shawn Alexander, and on the other side of the spectrum, Steve Hutchinson pulled a dirty underhanded trick to force his way out of here two months after having gone to a SB to go to a franchise that wasn't regarded in most circles as being a contender. Disloyalty is a two way street.

But I'd rate it a bit higher than calling it laughable. It varies from player to player. Golden Tate has come out and said that he'll take less to resign with the Hawks. Michael Bennett has said that staying here is his preference, but stops way short of what Tate has said about it. If a player has a good experience in his time with a team, that team will have an advantage over others when it comes time to resign him, ie a home town discount.

Ya I am not suggesting the Hawks can't or won't resign Bennett, or any other player. You guys know your team's cap situation better than me (hell, I don't even know my own team's or understand how it works), but the older I get the more I understand Bennett's position. You can say " do you want money, or do you want to win?" Or you could say "what if you blow your knee out next yr, and you only got X dollars guaranteed and an undrafted guy steps up huge in your shoes and they cut you next yr". It goes both ways. Bennett's market value will never be higher than it is today, and he'd be a fool not to take advantage of it.

To HC's point, if the difference between what he is offered in Seattle and somewhere else is close, I am sure he stays. But either way the man sounds like he will het paid what he is worth. Not sure who that means you let go and who stays, but when you pick up FAs cheap and they contribute to a SB victory this is what happens. It happened to us even when we lost the SB last yr, as Dashon Goldson, Ricky Jean Franciou, Delaney Walker all got paid way more than what they were worth with big FA contracts from other teams. It's just kind of how it works now. Even now we may let Iupati walk. Teams that win consistently develop talent internally or find cheap late rd talent like the 49ers and Hawks have done. That's the only way to remain competitive yr after yr now.

[Eaglehawk]

RD
If unicorns and the tooth fairy and mermaids were real we would be in a different world and maybe know the answer.
For now we have to wait and see.

[Oly]

Though it's understandable, I find the notion of loyalty a bit laughable in the NFL. You have a unique skill and a very, very amall window of opportunity to maximize its market value. These 4, 5 or 6 yrs set these player's up for life, financially speaking. When faced with the realistic possibility of life long medical bills, you can never have enough money. I think.any player (especially a D-lineman) is making an intelligent move by offering his services to the highest bidder. We all know how loyal these teams are to the player at the first sign that his skull set is declining. The player has to look out for his own needs as well.

I hear what you're saying. It didn't take our fan base very long to turn on Shawn Alexander, and on the other side of the spectrum, Steve Hutchinson pulled a dirty underhanded trick to force his way out of here two months after having gone to a SB to go to a franchise that wasn't regarded in most circles as being a contender. Disloyalty is a two way street.

But I'd rate it a bit higher than calling it laughable. It varies from player to player. Golden Tate has come out and said that he'll take less to resign with the Hawks. Michael Bennett has said that staying here is his preference, but stops way short of what Tate has said about it. If a player has a good experience in his time with a team, that team will have an advantage over others when it comes time to resign him, ie a home town discount.

Ya I am not suggesting the Hawks can't or won't resign Bennett, or any other player. You guys know your team's cap situation better than me (hell, I don't even know my own team's or understand how it works), but the older I get the more I understand Bennett's position. You can say " do you want money, or do you want to win?" Or you could say "what if you blow your knee out next yr, and you only got X dollars guaranteed and an undrafted guy steps up huge in your shoes and they cut you next yr". It goes both ways. Bennett's market value will never be higher than it is today, and he'd be a fool not to take advantage of it.

To HC's point, if the difference between what he is offered in Seattle and somewhere else is close, I am sure he stays. But either way the man sounds like he will het paid what he is worth. Not sure who that means you let go and who stays, but when you pick up FAs cheap and they contribute to a SB victory this is what happens. It happened to us even when we lost the SB last yr, as Dashon Goldson, Ricky Jean Franciou, Delaney Walker all got paid way more than what they were worth with big FA contracts from other teams. It's just kind of how it works now. Even now we may let Iupati walk. Teams that win consistently develop talent internally or find cheap late rd talent like the 49ers and Hawks have done. That's the only way to remain competitive yr after yr now.

I agree. At this time of year, it can be easy to forget that often players from championship teams don't lose players because they can't afford what they are worth. They lose them because they don't have the ability to overpay like more desperate teams, and I wouldn't fault Bennett--who knows what the bottom of a roster looks like--to use this opportunity to get paid first and then hope for a ring, rather than looking for a ring and settling for less in the process.