American Muscle to revisit the Sherman Crabtree debacle

[RiverDog]

Who made it your job to make sure us deluded Seahawks fans don't get to seeing things through Seahawks colored lenses?

You overstate things, you stake out a position as soon as a story breaks and defend it at all costs, then when other facts come to light you backpeddle, pretend you were only trying to be the voice of reason in the first place and accuse me of not hanging closely enough on your every word ... I'm not sure I get it, but it doesn't set well.

Pot calling kettle black. I called you on your "Sherman is completely innocent" position and you back peddled off that one pretty darn well, back peddled down to something like Crabs 9 Sherman 2, without any kind of acknowledgement that your original, knee jerk reaction might have been just a little bit "over the top".

So you're not hanging on my every word? Aren't you the one that rapped me on the knuckles for re-stating something I thought you missed by telling me that you read everything I write the first time around? You can't have it both ways.

I used to think we were friends, but I'm beginning to wonder...

[burrrton]

The reason I'm still "harping" on Sherman is because no one, except Futureite, has given the slightest indication that Sherman was in the wrong.

*raises hand sheepishly*

[RiverDog]

The reason I'm still "harping" on Sherman is because no one, except Futureite, has given the slightest indication that Sherman was in the wrong.

*raises hand sheepishly*

LOL!

Sorry, burrton, I shouldn't have said 'no one'. I let my emotions get the better of me when I was sparring with CBob. I realize that you haven't been making excuses for Sherman's behavior like some have.

[Hawktown]

Right or wrong both parties are free to do what they want regardless of how us fans feel. I would have done the same thing in the heat of the moment if that punk shoved my face on camera in front of the world. Even if sherman was not completely acting half way genuine in his extension of a handshake, crabs actions started a WAR that i myself completely agree with. People should not act a fool if they don't want to be made a fool. <<< DO YOU HEAR THAT US GOV??? That does go for both parties BTW. More people should be standing up to jerks whether it is on tv or not. might just make people think/realize how big of a jerk they really are. I agree bob Sherm 2 Crab 9. We should all quit acting like we are all saints and realize that we all have moments we would take back but there is no way in hell anyone should get away with treating others like a punk or you can expect the same if not worse back.

[HumanCockroach]

LOL. Take a 10 day vacation come back and read through this thread... SMH.... no ones position ever changes ( or so it seems from this thread) regardless of facts, information or added context. If you had a problem before, you still have a problem, if it didn't offend you, that position is strengthened by the additional information. As it didn't really sway me one way or another prior to it, it really doesn't change my feelings on the matter. Crabs is a punk that can't tell the difference between the field and a pool side lounge, Sherman talks a LOT and does so ON the field. Same ol' same ol' . For all of futures declarations to the contrary about how he has 'put his bias aside' he hasn't, RD doing the same " players have no class now a days" conveniently ignoring they didn't when he or I or anyone else played either ( or at least the same percentage) or simply not realising that there wasn't camera's and muti media accessable to anyone anywhere and anytime, and a bunch of people picking "sides" one way or another.

Sherman isn't "innocent" in this whole deal, however, doesn't take a lot of intelligence that the dooche in this instance isn't him. he COULD have been the "bigger" man, but it ALWAYS amazes me how quickly many of us, who have indeed NOT been that guy want to jump on someone as low character when they make the same mistakes we do.

[RiverDog]

LOL. Take a 10 day vacation come back and read through this thread... SMH.... no ones position ever changes ( or so it seems from this thread) regardless of facts, information or added context. If you had a problem before, you still have a problem, if it didn't offend you, that position is strengthened by the additional information. As it didn't really sway me one way or another prior to it, it really doesn't change my feelings on the matter. Crabs is a punk that can't tell the difference between the field and a pool side lounge, Sherman talks a LOT and does so ON the field. Same ol' same ol' . For all of futures declarations to the contrary about how he has 'put his bias aside' he hasn't, RD doing the same " players have no class now a days" conveniently ignoring they didn't when he or I or anyone else played either ( or at least the same percentage) or simply not realising that there wasn't camera's and muti media accessable to anyone anywhere and anytime, and a bunch of people picking "sides" one way or another.

Sherman isn't "innocent" in this whole deal, however, doesn't take a lot of intelligence that the dooche in this instance isn't him. he COULD have been the "bigger" man, but it ALWAYS amazes me how quickly many of us, who have indeed NOT been that guy want to jump on someone as low character when they make the same mistakes we do.

Welcome back, HC. I was beginning to wonder.

Obviously there were low class players/coaches back in "the olden days", and there's plenty of class acts, the most obvious example being our own Russell Wilson, in the modern day. Perhaps as you indicated they're more a product of their times, particularly with regards to the steady progression of media coverage. It might be a good topic for its own thread.

Nevertheless, the topic here was revisiting the Sherman/Crabtree debacle, not the ultimate root cause of such occurrences, and yes, I staked out my very familiar territory. If my position was predictable, then at least it's an indication that I'm consistent.

[HumanCockroach]

Fair enough, though it seems that most of are for the most part.

[kalibane]

Let me ask you this: If Sherman was 100% innocent as you claim he was, why was it he apologized? Why did Pete Carroll characterize Sherman's actions as a mistake?

Strawman. What Sherman apologized for and what Pete Carroll characterized as a mistake was going after Crabtree in the post game interview. NOT attempting to shake his hand and say good game. We weren't debating the latter but the former.

No one is advocating Sherman's post game interview. All we're saying is that it was somewhat understandable given the chain of events that led up to it which were instigated by Crabtree. I don't advocate throwing the first punch either but if a man spits in the face of a second man and the second man punches the spitter, I get it.

You on the other hand seem to be taking the end result and using speculative creativity as it relates to Sherman's motives to cast Sherman into the role of the antagonist.

I would have preferred Sherman not go after Crabtree like that, but when it's all said and done, Crabtree was the spitter and sometimes when you spit on someone you get punched in the jaw in return. *shrug*

[c_hawkbob]

I still like you just fine Dog, I don't much care for the way you carry on an argument, but I'd still be happy to meet you and buy you a beer. There's a lot of things I don't like about my brothers too, and the arguments we get in put yours and mine to shame, but it don't mean we ain't bros.

[Eaglehawk]

Why is Crab required to shake his hand??

Because you're the one pulling all the "punk" bullsh*t out of your @ss to describe Sherman, numbnuts.

Whatever you feel about Sherman's jabbering (it's not my style, either), refusing to shake hands, giving shoves in the face, and on and on sure as *h3ll* isn't "acting like a man", for chrissakes.

I guess everyone's definition is different.

Yeah, and yours apparently depends on the jersey the guy wears on Sundays.

Burr.

One of your greatest lines on this forum

[RiverDog]

I appreciate your sentiments, CBob, and of course, I'd love to be able to meet you in person and buy you a beer some day. Just bear in mind that there are times I don't appreciate some of the means by which go about conducting an argument between friends. You don't know me as well as you do your kin.

Kal, the OP stated that the discussion was about the "Sherman Crabtree debacle", which I took to mean the entire incident, from the confrontation at Fitz's fund raiser, the handshake offer, the rant, and the morning after press conference. If you were to look at the 'debacle' within a very narrow 5 or 10 second snippet, ie Sherman's handshake offer and Crabtree's pushing him away, then yes, I would admit that Sherman is not as culpable as in the incident taken as a whole. The only thing I would say that Sherman did wrong in offering Crabs a handshake, if I were to give him the benefit of the doubt that he was acting sincerely, was that his timing was poor.

[Futureite]

LOL! Well I didn't have to wait long for validation of my opinion. Sherman is in the news again. This time, he's said he wants to "choke Crabtree out" and wishes he could play him every game. "I'm gonna ruin that boy". But wait, Crabtree started it. Hell, he should pay for the rest of his life for the attrocities he must have committed at that charity event.

You cannot seriously believe this guy isn't at the very least as culpible as Crabtree was in any way. You'd have to be deaf, dumb and blind at this point not to see that this kid has some major character flaws.

Screaming in guy's faces after games, getting slugged, now talking about choking someone out. They all deserve it though. Sherman is here to correct all moral injustices, one at a time. You the maan tough guy, just the 'man'.

He's not a thug either. He just bullies guys like Tom Brady, yaps about choking people and swings at his own teammates in practice. You are being pursecuted Stanford grad. Tell the world how racist it is for even letting such a thought synapse in its collective brain. Not as if you act like one, right?

[HumanCockroach]

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shut ... 23032.html

l'll post it from my phone since you won't or can't. I'm sure you'll say it was a "literal" threat, I would read that as not allowing Crabs a breath of air when facing him( kind of like he has in every meeting thus far) but I'm sure your "bully" thug sensor is on high alert. LMAO. Guess some guys just don't respond well to people that make it personal off the field. ( same crapola you been spewing since day one with SHerman, so much for the Easing off and appreciating his play huh? Or they are just entertainers, huh? ) what a flipping hypocrite.

[Futureite]

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/richard-sherman-really-just-doesn-t-like-michael-crabtree--blasts-him-again-181923032.html

l'll post it from my phone since you won't or can't. I'm sure you'll say it was a "literal" threat, I would read that as not allowing Crabs a breath of air when facing him( kind of like he has in every meeting thus far) but I'm sure your "bully" thug sensor is on high alert. LMAO. Guess some guys just don't respond well to people that make it personal off the field. ( same crapola you been spewing since day one with SHerman, so much for the Easing off and appreciating his play huh? Or they are just entertainers, huh? ) what a flipping hypocrite.

Ok double lol because I knew you'd go right to the interpretation of what he said. Maybe his fists flying at practice a couple weeks ago were glorified handshakes, the screaming in Brady's face was a "hello", and Trent Willuams slugged him for no reason when Sherman said "watcha gon' go boy?" was misinterpreted.

Again, me personally? I could care less if he wants to pick easy targets or yap when he has the upperhand. But for god sakes quit trying to pretend he's something other than he is. Notice he did nothing back towards williams but was Billy Bad A-- with Brady. He's the "hold me back, hold me back!" type with everyone around, goes duck hunting on guys like Bayless. Takes wvery possible jab when he has the upperhand and criesike a baby or makes excuses when he gets beat. That's why the entire league cannot stand him.

Yes, he's an entertainer. And even if he were a busboy he'd still be a grade A asshole in adfition to his profession.

[burrrton]

"Bullying Brady." Jeezus.

[HumanCockroach]

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/richard-sherman-really-just-doesn-t-like-michael-crabtree--blasts-him-again-181923032.html

l'll post it from my phone since you won't or can't. I'm sure you'll say it was a "literal" threat, I would read that as not allowing Crabs a breath of air when facing him( kind of like he has in every meeting thus far) but I'm sure your "bully" thug sensor is on high alert. LMAO. Guess some guys just don't respond well to people that make it personal off the field. ( same crapola you been spewing since day one with SHerman, so much for the Easing off and appreciating his play huh? Or they are just entertainers, huh? ) what a flipping hypocrite.

Ok double lol because I knew you'd go right to the interpretation of what he said. Maybe his fists flying at practice a couple weeks ago were glorified handshakes, the screaming in Brady's face was a "hello", and Trent Willuams slugged him for no reason when Sherman said "watcha gon' go boy?" was misinterpreted.

Again, me personally? I could care less if he wants to pick easy targets or yap when he has the upperhand. But for god sakes quit trying to pretend he's something other than he is. Notice he did nothing back towards williams but was Billy Bad A-- with Brady. He's the "hold me back, hold me back!" type with everyone around, goes duck hunting on guys like Bayless. Takes wvery possible jab when he has the upperhand and criesike a baby or makes excuses when he gets beat. That's why the entire league cannot stand him.

Yes, he's an entertainer. And even if he were a busboy he'd still be a grade A asshole in adfition to his profession.

LOL,I went to interpretation because it kind of MATTERS kind of like CONTEXT matters, or HISTORY matters, LOL all you want big guy. According to you context matters, intent matters, history matters, context matters, only apparently they ONLY matter when it is a Niner involved. Keep playing your hypocrite card all you want, I don't think they expire...

[burrrton]

You guys laugh all you want, but I wish you'd show at least a little compassion for poor little Tommy Brady- BULLYING IS *NOT* OK, GUYS.

[c_hawkbob]

The actual quote:

“It’s not going to be something that goes away. I hope to play him every year for the rest of my career and choke him out. There’s not much else I can say about the subject. Nobody will understand it but him and me. That’s all that needs to understand.”

The "I hope to play him every year for the rest of my career" part kinda precludes any literal translation of "choke him out" don'tcha think dumbass? Kind hard to play a guy every year once you've killed him ...

[HumanCockroach]

You guys laugh all you want, but I wish you'd show at least a little compassion for poor little Tommy Brady- BULLYING IS *NOT* OK, GUYS.

Alright you are correct Burton, there is an enormous swath of decimated alpha male athletes who have had their wittle feelings hurt by Shermans antics..... I mean Brady, Revis, Crabs, I'm sure are currently looking for dark corners to cry and suck their thumbs, I mean how dare Sherman recipricate the same trash they enjoy dishing out, and he's just so mean about it. How DARE he respond after the actions of Crab, doesn't he know how sensitive he and others like Brady are.... why limit it to just poor wittle Brady, they ALL need a hug.... *sniff* *sniff* Lol.

[kalibane]

because no one has ever gotten into a fight in training camp fight. Careful Future you're starting to sound like one of those guys who never laced em up in their life. Show me a guy who's never had a fight over sports and I'll show you one who's never played organized sports of any kind.

[HumanCockroach]

Hell, I'll show you one that never played pick up games beyond the age of 6.......much less organised sports. There was fights in my junior high practices.....

[RiverDog]

LOL! Well I didn't have to wait long for validation of my opinion. Sherman is in the news again. This time, he's said he wants to "choke Crabtree out" and wishes he could play him every game. "I'm gonna ruin that boy". But wait, Crabtree started it. Hell, he should pay for the rest of his life for the attrocities he must have committed at that charity event.

You cannot seriously believe this guy isn't at the very least as culpible as Crabtree was in any way. You'd have to be deaf, dumb and blind at this point not to see that this kid has some major character flaws.

Screaming in guy's faces after games, getting slugged, now talking about choking someone out. They all deserve it though. Sherman is here to correct all moral injustices, one at a time. You the maan tough guy, just the 'man'.

He's not a thug either. He just bullies guys like Tom Brady, yaps about choking people and swings at his own teammates in practice. You are being pursecuted Stanford grad. Tell the world how racist it is for even letting such a thought synapse in its collective brain. Not as if you act like one, right?

Boy, I'm trying the best I can to be objective about the latest 'news' and your take on it, but I sure didn't see it the way you did, and before you ask, no, I am not being intimidated by my fellow 12's after the lampooning I received from them earlier in this thread. I don't like the way Sherman behaves and will never condone his actions. I wouldn't call Sherman's mouth character flaw as I suspect that Sherman is an OK guy off field, or at least I've never heard anything to the contrary. As far as I know, he's a coach's player and a good teammate, and I don't consider his motor mouth as a character flaw. I would rather he not jack his jaws and wish he would stay the hell off of Twitter, but he is what he is.

Sherman was not using the term "choking" as in strangulation. He was using it in terms of a player that does not perform under pressure, ie "Coug-ed it". And calling him a thug is preposterous. A jerk, yes, but a thug? Heck, I didn't even call your boy Aldon Smith a thug, and he's a convicted felon.

[burrrton]

He was using it in terms of a player that does not perform under pressure, ie "Coug it".

Take it back, RD, or you're dead to me.

Future, I'm with RD in that I don't really prefer the over the top nature of a lot of his talking, but you obviously took his post-NFCG rant personally and are not processing the situation in any way approaching rationally.

Sherm can be aggravating, and he obviously doesn't care to go out of his way to 'mend bridges', but there is literally no account I've read from anyone who's spent time around him that doesn't say his character is of the highest caliber- coaches, teammates, professors, acquaintances... anyone.

I'm almost literally the last guy on the planet that will tolerate the PC speech police, but when you pull the term "thug" out on him simply for going on an over-the-top rant, or for "BULLYING" Tom Fcking Brady (one of the biggest sh*t-talkers in the league by most accounts), or for getting in a training camp boxing match, you're showing your colors, and they don't reflect well on you.

[Futureite]

He was using it in terms of a player that does not perform under pressure, ie "Coug it".

Take it back, RD, or you're dead to me.

Future, I'm with RD in that I don't really prefer the over the top nature of a lot of his talking, but you obviously took his post-NFCG rant personally and are not processing the situation in any way approaching rationally.

Sherm can be aggravating, and he obviously doesn't care to go out of his way to 'mend bridges', but there is literally no account I've read from anyone who's spent time around him that doesn't say his character is of the highest caliber- coaches, teammates, professors, acquaintances... anyone.

I'm almost literally the last guy on the planet that will tolerate the PC speech police, but when you pull the term "thug" out on him simply for going on an over-the-top rant, or for "BULLYING" Tom Fcking Brady (one of the biggest sh*t-talkers in the league by most accounts), or for getting in a training camp boxing match, you're showing your colors, and they don't reflect well on you.

I don't think he's the worst guy in the world. He's obviously done some noteworthy things in his life. But isn't the premise of this thread about justufying Sherman's behavior, specifically towards Crabtree? And more to the point, in general? If that wasn't the topic of discussion, I'd not be posting on it. Lol he has the classic bully personality to a tee, right down to the outward insecurity. Nothing needs to be "done" about it; it's not an incognito situation and I think you know I wasn't going there. I am just calling it like it is. Guy is a wus that picks on glass Tigers and says nothing after someone like Steve Smith slams him around. Obvious reasons why.

Someone on ESPN.Com posted in response to this story "Crabtree farted on Sherman at a sleep over". Last I checked 952 thumbs up and counting lol. My opinion is shared by the majority. The guy is at the point of just making a fool out of himself and out of everyone that defended him. Clearly, the guy is extremely sensitive and everyone sees it. If I am showing my true colors, they look quite similar to popular opinion..

Hey if he wants to keep talking, let him. If no one puts up a thread about it I won't comnent. Right now I think it's clear who has the issues. I just think it's funny how you all pinned this on Crab. JH is a dick, and I can admit it. But you cannot admit the same with Sherman. You have a real T.O Junior on your hands now. This guy is FAR ahead of T.O's pace, which was still country bumpkinish at 3 yrs in. It's always all good when you're winning. Lucky for you your team is good enough that it'll probably never become a problem with them losing.

[burrrton]

Someone on ESPN.Com posted in response to this story "Crabtree farted on Sherman at a sleep over". Last I checked 952 thumbs up and counting lol. My opinion is shared by the majority.

I hope you know better by now than to think "LOOK HOW MANY PEOPLE AGREE" is going anywhere with me.

There are a *lot* of people ignorant about the situation, Future, who don't know jack about this other than that they saw what Sherm said and they read a few comments on ESPN.com (and maybe Twitter if they're really dedicated!).

You're better than that, and you know there's more to the story.

I just think it's funny how you all pinned this on Crab.

Oh, is it *us* that pinned it on him now?

JH is a dick, and I can admit it. But you cannot admit the same with Sherman. You have a real T.O Junior on your hands now.

Your desperation shining through in one grand quote:

1. I've told you I don't like what Sherman did nor how he handled it.

2. Comparing him to TEE OH?? LOL.

Future, my man, you're losing it over this guy. He's mind-fcked you worse than Colin "Go Peyton!" Kaepernick.

[Futureite]

Lol right now Sherman is the butt of 1,000 jokes. Funny how he thought he was being the man saying this and everyone just thinks he's acting like a jllted lover. Like I.posted when this thread first opened, it will folliw Sherman around, not Crab. Crab looking better by the second as he says nothing.

[kalibane]

No one likes him but somehow he was the highest ranked defensive player on the NFL top 100 (something we've agreed is a popularity contest) and he's the highest selling non-QB NFL jersey.

Makes sense.

Even the Steve Smith thing is ridiculous. He went after Smith after Smith threw him down. Smith just got the better of him in that after the whistle exchange, not exactly surprising. And he continued talking to and being physical with Steve Smith for the rest of the game. Was he a bully when he changed his twitter handle to Optimus Prime before playing Megatron? He went at Anquan Boldin who is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY tougher than Crabtree. The only guy Sherman doesn't go after is Larry Fitzgerald. But you know I guess you see only what you want to see.

The only difference is none of those guys slapped his hand away and said "get your hand out of my mutha****in face" and threaten to beat Sherman's ass at a charity event.

Bullying Tom Brady lol... I think you need to change your tampon Future.

[c_hawkbob]

You're comical Future, you really are and you - just - don't - get it.

You're every bit as obsessed with Richard Sherman as the rest of the twittersphere is, which means he's winning, any way you look at it. Every single time you speak or especially write his name he gets another notch up on the fame game ... it doesn't matter whether what you are saying is in favor of or against him, or your childish little "well the people I know don't like him" ... just the fact that he's foremost in your consciousness is a win for him.

Like Ali, half the people wanted to see him win, half the people wanted to see him lose, but nobody didn't want to see him. Made him the most valuable commodity of his universe, just like you're making Richard Sherman the most valuable commodity of this one.

[RiverDog]

JH is a dick, and I can admit it. But you cannot admit the same with Sherman. You have a real T.O Junior on your hands now. This guy is FAR ahead of T.O's pace, which was still country bumpkinish at 3 yrs in. It's always all good when you're winning. Lucky for you your team is good enough that it'll probably never become a problem with them losing.

There's a number of us that can admit that Sherman is a dick, but that's not what you called him. You called him a thug. Big difference.

Your T.O. analogy is way off base. The only thing the two of them have in common is their on field antics. T.O. was a locker room cancer, sparred with both coaches and teammates, actually got into a fist fight with one of the coaches (Hugh Douglass, if I remember correctly). There is absolutely no indication that Sherman is anything but a coach's player and a great teammate.

You do have a point about the difference between player's attitude and togetherness when the team is winning and when they are losing. Winning cures a lot of evils, losing brings out the worst in players. We've had some tough losses, in particular, the Atlanta game two years ago, and there wasn't any finger pointing then. But we haven't gone through a 3 or 4 game losing streak, so who knows. Hopefully we won't have to find out.

[kalibane]

All you have to do is watch the American Muscle episode where these quotes were pulled from to 1. Understand that what Sherman said was regarding on the field. He was put on the spot and asked directly "What's the deal with Crabtree?" the minute he walked in the room and he answered but didn't give specifics. (as opposed to Future's wet dream where Sherman is running to media outlets to run his mouth). 2. He's a pretty good dude. He was only scheduled to be there for one day to tour the gym but came back a 2nd day to specifically work with a young defensive back who was preparing for his pro day on his position drills .

I know Future wants Sherman to be a jerk but the reality is that he's just kind of a good dude with a mouth and a chip on his shoulder who doesn't like Michael Crabtree.

[HumanCockroach]

Wow, Future can admit Harbaugh is a dick now, though it seems to exemplify what he does. When the subject came up in regards to Harbaugh it was all defense of the guy, how intelligent his unprovoked jabs were, and nothing but roses, now Sherman is the topic, and those defending him simply aren't seeing the whole picture, or watching with Hawks colored glasses? SMH if nothing illustrates the way Future opporates folks, this should be a pretty clear message.

Defend Smith, Defend Kap, Defend Harbaugh refuse to admit anything, until of course you can wheel it out to attack a Seahawks player to show how "objective" you are. LMAO. Whatever....

[kalibane]

Yep. Same way he fought and fought and fought about how the Seahawks WRs weren't better than the Niners. Then only admitted it after the Superbowl ... I'm sure it was a coincidence that the forum where he finally admitted it was in a debate about Wilson or Kaep being better where he was able to use the "lesser" 49er WRs as a way to explain why Wilson's passing was consistantly better.

Is there any doubt that if Sherman were a 49er that he'd be one of Futures top 3 favorite players? All he'd talk about was how smart it was to get in the opponents heads and how hard Sherman worked etc. etc.

[Futureite]

Wow, Future can admit Harbaugh is a dick now, though it seems to exemplify what he does. When the subject came up in regards to Harbaugh it was all defense of the guy, how intelligent his unprovoked jabs were, and nothing but roses, now Sherman is the topic, and those defending him simply aren't seeing the whole picture, or watching with Hawks colored glasses? SMH if nothing illustrates the way Future opporates folks, this should be a pretty clear message.

Defend Smith, Defend Kap, Defend Harbaugh refuse to admit anything, until of course you can wheel it out to attack a Seahawks player to show how "objective" you are. LMAO. Whatever....

Now? Lol again, another thing I knew you'd misquote me on. Again, I knew you'd go there right after I posted it. How many times did I post "JH was immature and clearly tring to get under Carroll's skin". What I did say is that cheating and legal are issues are not one in the same. A coach can promote or even.perpetuate the former, but it's a ridiculous stretch (snd one you make often) to say he is fueling his player's legal issues. Nonetheless, I always maintained JH's comment was ridiculous to make.

Or did I ever post "Carroll started it!" Lol. What are we, 10 yrs old?

Crab did respond. Says he let's guys talk and focuses on football. Not sure how, at this point, you can honestly believe Sherman is justified. Just admit he's a major prick and be done with it.

And oh ya, he is lockstep with TO. By yr 4 TO began to tell everyone who would listen that he is "the best". Sherman's syartef in yr 2.

TO then progressed to calling other players out (I'm better than Moss). Sherman has calked out more guys than I can count.

Third leg was TO going at the media, as Mr. Ultra sensitive. Sherman got there in yr 2 with Bayless, Seattle PI incident, etc. He's almost a clone in the sensitivity department.

The final stage came with TO in yr 6 when the team began to slude after 12 and 10 win seasons. His act got old, people got pissed, and TO responded by going afyer his own teammates. Once lauded as a hard worker and team guy, the "locker room cancer" was born.

Just hope you keep winning man. Last leg will come with Sherman if they do not, no doubt. He is well agead of schedule.

[Anthony]

Wow, Future can admit Harbaugh is a dick now, though it seems to exemplify what he does. When the subject came up in regards to Harbaugh it was all defense of the guy, how intelligent his unprovoked jabs were, and nothing but roses, now Sherman is the topic, and those defending him simply aren't seeing the whole picture, or watching with Hawks colored glasses? SMH if nothing illustrates the way Future opporates folks, this should be a pretty clear message.

Defend Smith, Defend Kap, Defend Harbaugh refuse to admit anything, until of course you can wheel it out to attack a Seahawks player to show how "objective" you are. LMAO. Whatever....

Now? Lol again, another thing I knew you'd misquote me on. Again, I knew you'd go there right after I posted it. How many times did I post "JH was immature and clearly tring to get under Carroll's skin". What I did say is that cheating and legal are issues are not one in the same. A coach can promote or even.perpetuate the former, but it's a ridiculous stretch (snd one you make often) to say he is fueling his player's legal issues. Nonetheless, I always maintained JH's comment was ridiculous to make.

Or did I ever post "Carroll started it!" Lol. What are we, 10 yrs old?

Crab did respond. Says he let's guys talk and focuses on football. Not sure how, at this point, you can honestly believe Sherman is justified. Just admit he's a major prick and be done with it.

And oh ya, he is lockstep with TO. By yr 4 TO began to tell everyone who would listen that he is "the best". Sherman's syartef in yr 2.

TO then progressed to calling other players out (I'm better than Moss). Sherman has calked out more guys than I can count.

Third leg was TO going at the media, as Mr. Ultra sensitive. Sherman got there in yr 2 with Bayless, Seattle PI incident, etc. He's almost a clone in the sensitivity department.

The final stage came with TO in yr 6 when the team began to slude after 12 and 10 win seasons. His act got old, people got pissed, and TO responded by going afyer his own teammates. Once lauded as a hard worker and team guy, the "locker room cancer" was born.

Just hope you keep winning man. Last leg will come with Sherman if they do not, no doubt. He is well agead of schedule.

Lots of assumptions as usual, lots of crap, lots of lies, well nothing has changed Future is still worthless as a poster.

[HumanCockroach]

Wow, Future can admit Harbaugh is a dick now, though it seems to exemplify what he does. When the subject came up in regards to Harbaugh it was all defense of the guy, how intelligent his unprovoked jabs were, and nothing but roses, now Sherman is the topic, and those defending him simply aren't seeing the whole picture, or watching with Hawks colored glasses? SMH if nothing illustrates the way Future opporates folks, this should be a pretty clear message.

Defend Smith, Defend Kap, Defend Harbaugh refuse to admit anything, until of course you can wheel it out to attack a Seahawks player to show how "objective" you are. LMAO. Whatever....

Now? Lol again, another thing I knew you'd misquote me on. Again, I knew you'd go there right after I posted it. How many times did I post "JH was immature and clearly tring to get under Carroll's skin". What I did say is that cheating and legal are issues are not one in the same. A coach can promote or even.perpetuate the former, but it's a ridiculous stretch (snd one you make often) to say he is fueling his player's legal issues. Nonetheless, I always maintained JH's comment was ridiculous to make.

Or did I ever post "Carroll started it!" Lol. What are we, 10 yrs old?

Crab did respond. Says he let's guys talk and focuses on football. Not sure how, at this point, you can honestly believe Sherman is justified. Just admit he's a major prick and be done with it.

And oh ya, he is lockstep with TO. By yr 4 TO began to tell everyone who would listen that he is "the best". Sherman's syartef in yr 2.

TO then progressed to calling other players out (I'm better than Moss). Sherman has calked out more guys than I can count.

Third leg was TO going at the media, as Mr. Ultra sensitive. Sherman got there in yr 2 with Bayless, Seattle PI incident, etc. He's almost a clone in the sensitivity department.

The final stage came with TO in yr 6 when the team began to slude after 12 and 10 win seasons. His act got old, people got pissed, and TO responded by going afyer his own teammates. Once lauded as a hard worker and team guy, the "locker room cancer" was born.

Just hope you keep winning man. Last leg will come with Sherman if they do not, no doubt. He is well agead of schedule.

Um, to "misquote" you I would need to actually "quote" you, which I didn't, and it is certainly very convenient for you that the PI stuff is gone, or I would be more than happy to post your quotes for you, some of which included comparisons to Phil Jackson and the like.Obviously many remember what you were posting, and how stringently you not only avoided admitting how much of a douche Harbaugh was/is but went so far as to say he was playing mind games with the Seahawks and Carroll. On this board I've seen your oh so glamorous "they're only entertainers" or "the intent" excuse when it suits you, interestingly enough, it only suits you when it's a Niner player, and the "objective" opinion only somehow magically appears when it isn't.

pretend all you want to "know" what I 'm going to post, I'm sure you do indeed know, because when you do the same stuff over and over again, play the "objective" card , you're going to get called on it, since you haven't been really since the day the Hawks became a better team then the Niners.No one is surprised by your posts either, so why would you be surprised to responses to the same tripe you been spewing out since a year and a half ago?

IF Sherman goes the way of TO ( and that is a HUGE if, MONUMENTAL if, a DREAM if for you and your brethren) then so be it. I can live with 5-7 years of HOF play followed by a messy divorce allowing him to become some one elses headache. Keep clinging to that thread, if it consoles you at night. I mean after all, it's what you've got to pin your hopes on, there really is nothing else.

[HumanCockroach]

Big difference between saying Harbaugh is "perpetuating" legal issues off the field, and pointing out someone should not throw stones from glass houses. Once again your lies bridge from exaggerations to outright fallacy. Continue to lie if you must, it is after all something you do so well.

[burrrton]

TO then progressed to calling other players out (I'm better than Moss).

TO's problem wasn't feuds with other players- it was "calling out" his own team, you dishonest jackass.

You're certainly free to make predictions about the future, Future, but from my chair, Sherm has already forked off the "TEE OH path":

1. He's an ideal teammate
2. He has a ring

Among many, many other things.

I'll bow to your clairvoyance if he ends up tearing the team apart at some point, but for now, you're off base, and I think you know it but can't stop because he's so far under your skin you probably piss Seahawk blue.

[Futureite]

JH is a dick, and I can admit it. But you cannot admit the same with Sherman. You have a real T.O Junior on your hands now. This guy is FAR ahead of T.O's pace, which was still country bumpkinish at 3 yrs in. It's always all good when you're winning. Lucky for you your team is good enough that it'll probably never become a problem with them losing.

There's a number of us that can admit that Sherman is a dick, but that's not what you called him. You called him a thug. Big difference.

Your T.O. analogy is way off base. The only thing the two of them have in common is their on field antics. T.O. was a locker room cancer, sparred with both coaches and teammates, actually got into a fist fight with one of the coaches (Hugh Douglass, if I remember correctly). There is absolutely no indication that Sherman is anything but a coach's player and a great teammate.

You do have a point about the difference between player's attitude and togetherness when the team is winning and when they are losing. Winning cures a lot of evils, losing brings out the worst in players. We've had some tough losses, in particular, the Atlanta game two years ago, and there wasn't any finger pointing then. But we haven't gone through a 3 or 4 game losing streak, so who knows. Hopefully we won't have to find out.

Actually, TO was not a locker roon cancer - for yrs. He was highly regarded for his work ethic and respected by his teammates. He was drafted in 1997 and played alongside a group of guys who had won a SB or played at the highest possible level and wpuld have never allowed that (Young, Rice, BY, Doleman etc). He started out as a shy, awe shucks kid from the South. Sherman is WELL ahead of TO's "TO" pace.

Like I posted, the general genetic traits are identical in these two: Sensitive, narcicistic, antagonistic. To a tee. TO only became "TO" around 2000-2001. The only real difference between Sherman and him are the positions they play.

To hear you guys defend this clown is like listening you try to convince yourselves that the Fail Mary was a catch. Most of you are too intelligent to truly believe any of it. There is no way any logical person can look at the countless, seemingly endless highschool dtama this guy stirs up and believe that he is not at the center of it. It just sounds ridiculous when people post how so and so did x, y and z.

Hey as long as I am not discredited as a homer, I'm fine with it .

[HumanCockroach]

You are a homer, your just on the wrong site. For reference peruse your past posts. Objective "fan of the game" my ass. You're exactly what most have been calling you for the last few seasons, and you're amping it up as you go.

[Futureite]

You're comical Future, you really are and you - just - don't - get it.

You're every bit as obsessed with Richard Sherman as the rest of the twittersphere is, which means he's winning, any way you look at it. Every single time you speak or especially write his name he gets another notch up on the fame game ... it doesn't matter whether what you are saying is in favor of or against him, or your childish little "well the people I know don't like him" ... just the fact that he's foremost in your consciousness is a win for him.

Like Ali, half the people wanted to see him win, half the people wanted to see him lose, but nobody didn't want to see him. Made him the most valuable commodity of his universe, just like you're making Richard Sherman the most valuable commodity of this one.

The guy is not foremost in anything. If there is a thread up, I'll respond to it. If he makes headlines for yapping, I'll probably post on it. That's it. To be 100% honest I do not believe the guy is good enough to be upset over, even as a fan. If his idea of "winning" is grabbing attention by acting like a complete moron, then he can join Christina Ritchie, Justin Beiber and the countless other celebs who get 1,000,000 clicks. But it is awesome that you acknowledge his motivation and what he's all about. He's a TV guy, as Crab said.

We all get rhe counterargument. I am sure he is deep inside every player's head by insulting Bayless. That sure f'd up every NFL wr lol. He's just a dude that has zero impulse control or filter. I seriously doubt he'd be any different if he were a baker st a doughnut shop.

Good for him. Next.