Russell Wilson

[RiverDog]

Sean Payton would have zero interest in the job imo. Wilson can’t be fixed . It’s a ridiculous thing to ask any coach to do . Fix an 11 year vet with well over 100 wins , 300 TD passes and a Lombardi . It’s called washed up . It can’t be fixed . It could be mitigated if he was in a super run heavy offense. Like Elway in the end of his career .But the only coach taking that under the condition they start Wilson is a first timer or some retread coach that hasn’t done much .
As always I’ll stand corrected if wrong .

Yeah, I don't see Payton taking that job, either. He's already flirting with a Vic Fangio, who was just fired by the Broncos and Paton, so it might be a little uncomfortable for him to return as a DC. Besides, Payton supposedly prefers a warm weather city. With the Chargers qualifying for the playoffs last night, Payton's most likely destination is Arizona.

[govandals]

With the Chargers qualifying for the playoffs last night, Payton's most likely destination is Arizona.

I'd throw Atlanta in the mix for sure. Maybe even the Colts, Titans, Texans.

[Hawktawk]

I’m not changing coaches in Tennessee . They need a qb. Vrabel would be unemployed 10 minutes . Not sure about Atlanta . Colts for sure .
What if Seattle goes 7-10 ? Do we make a run ? We have the draft capital . Love me some Pete Carroll but if we lost 7 of 8 it’s the worst second half I can recall since Mora or Holmgren . Are we moving the right direction ? The Seahawks franchise under Allen’s ownership has pulled 2 big shocking moves . 1 is Pete . 1 is trading Russ . Is there a third . Last year we won 4 of our last 6 including 50 on Detroit and 38 on Az averaging 150 rush yards and 300 pass yards . This year ?
It’s all on the table if we lose out IMO.

[RiverDog]

I’m not changing coaches in Tennessee . They need a qb. Vrabel would be unemployed 10 minutes . Not sure about Atlanta . Colts for sure .
What if Seattle goes 7-10 ? Do we make a run ? We have the draft capital . Love me some Pete Carroll but if we lost 7 of 8 it’s the worst second half I can recall since Mora or Holmgren . Are we moving the right direction ? The Seahawks franchise under Allen’s ownership has pulled 2 big shocking moves . 1 is Pete . 1 is trading Russ . Is there a third . Last year we won 4 of our last 6 including 50 on Detroit and 38 on Az averaging 150 rush yards and 300 pass yards . This year ?
It’s all on the table if we lose out IMO.

Even if we lose out, I doubt that they fire Pete. I don't think that our current ownership group has the balls to make such a bold decision. I'll believe it when I see it. But I do think that it's possible that Pete voluntarily retires.

But if we are in the market for a head coach, I don't want to spend draft choices to bring in Payton. I'd rather give it so some young coordinator, someone like Kellen Moore.

[Hawktawk]

Our current ownership had the balls to trade Wilson . They had the balls to clean house with the trailblazers top to bottom including Gm. The listed reason was “ lack of playoff success “ the team had gone to the western finals and went 7 games with the eventual champions a year earlier . If they give Pete another year it isn’t because they lack “ balls “
Your a bit good old boy when it comes to Jodi Allen. Highly dismissive of her intelligence and leadership . I’m glad we have her .

[NorthHawk]

I think Pete will go when he wants to.
Behind the scenes, though they may give him a bit of a shove in the form of taking away more power if that's the direction they want to go, but a large section of the fan base would be upset
if they fired him like Reich and Hackett were.

[RiverDog]

I think Pete will go when he wants to.
Behind the scenes, though they may give him a bit of a shove in the form of taking away more power if that's the direction they want to go, but a large section of the fan base would be upset
if they fired him like Reich and Hackett were.

That's one of the reasons why I don't think our ownership fires Pete. It would be a very controversial decision, and I don't think they have the balls.

This isn't like some random NBA team. We have a huge fan base, and a large number of them are still very much on the Pete bandwagon, as witnessed by a number of posters in our little group. It was easy for Denver to fire Hackett as the fan base was livid with him with nearly everyone wanting him out. But it would be basically a 50/50 proposition with our fan base.

They may be able to negotiate with him, might even do a little poker playing by bluffing that they were intent on firing him and offer him an office, a fancy title, and a lifetime supply of Juicy Fruit. But they won't fire him outright.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Pete doesn't go strictly because of draft capital. That this team, though falling off down the stretch, has had a much better season than anticipated keep him around. I'd say if they aren't in the playoffs in 2024, he's on the hot seat or out. Assuming he doesn't retire.

[NorthHawk]

I was thinking taking more power away from him.
It seems he lost control of the Defense and we no longer play Peteball on Offense, so maybe if they wanted to force his hand they could put JS in charge of player personnel and the draft.
That type of squeezing might be enough for him to pull the plug or it might be a relief for him. We'll never know, but it must be frustrating for him to not have rebuilt the team over the
last 5 or 6 years well enough to be a factor in the regular season let alone the playoffs.

[RiverDog]

I was thinking taking more power away from him.
It seems he lost control of the Defense and we no longer play Peteball on Offense, so maybe if they wanted to force his hand they could put JS in charge of player personnel and the draft.
That type of squeezing might be enough for him to pull the plug or it might be a relief for him. We'll never know, but it must be frustrating for him to not have rebuilt the team over the
last 5 or 6 years well enough to be a factor in the regular season let alone the playoffs.

I don't think that Pete would ever sit still for a bunch of people that don't know half as much as he does about the game to foist their opinion on how to run a football team on him. As a fan, I would be very unhappy if they pulled such a stunt. If you don't like how he's running the football team, then suck it up and fire him.

[Hawktawk]

I think Pete will go when he wants to.
Behind the scenes, though they may give him a bit of a shove in the form of taking away more power if that's the direction they want to go, but a large section of the fan base would be upset
if they fired him like Reich and Hackett were.

That's one of the reasons why I don't think our ownership fires Pete. It would be a very controversial decision, and I don't think they have the balls.

This isn't like some random NBA team. We have a huge fan base, and a large number of them are still very much on the Pete bandwagon, as witnessed by a number of posters in our little group. It was easy for Denver to fire Hackett as the fan base was livid with him with nearly everyone wanting him out. But it would be basically a 50/50 proposition with our fan base.

They may be able to negotiate with him, might even do a little poker playing by bluffingwhedtin that they were intent on firing him and offer him an office, a fancy title, and a lifetime supply of Juicy Fruit. But they won't fire him outright.[/quote]

They traded Wilson . They cut Wagner . They whacked the entire Portland trailblazers staff and FO for a lack of playoff success .

What makes you think they lack the balls to can Pete ? Sexist attitude towards a female owner ? No balls ?

Seriously though River answer the question. Why would they fear Pete ? Fear fan backlash ?
My memory goes back 9 months when most thought they got rid of the wrong guy including you . It was a firestorm with the fans .

Do you really think Pete’s got a blank check to retire when he wants . ? They will bargain with him, kiss his ass ? Bribe him to retire

If he hadn’t won 4 of 6 to end last year he would have been gone imo . If he loses out he may well be this year ., depending on who came in it might be time .

Love Pete and always will . We have 3 wild card wins in 8 years , the last 4 years ago .

2 straight losing seasons if we drop one of 2 . 7 of 8 to close the year if we get swept out at home . The most dreadful run defense I’ve ever seen. And with potted plant dunce no balls watching it in her suite every home game .oh yeah she doesn’t understand football . I’m sure she has the same Vulcan people in there that Paul had so they can hold her feeble hand .

Everyone but John better have their head on a swivel including Pete if we lose out .


Don’t want it . I want 9-8 playoffs win a wc and let’s move forward . But I don’t want what I’ve seen for 5 of 6 games and 8 of 15 any more .2 game audition for lots of folks .

[TriCitySam]

After looking at the 12 candidates listed as potential replacements for Hackett - I would think hard about firing any decent coach. Payton is the best candidate, and his record is basically equal with Pete's. Key is improving the talent.

[NorthHawk]

I don't think that Pete would ever sit still for a bunch of people that don't know half as much as he does about the game to foist their opinion on how to run a football team on him. As a fan, I would be very unhappy if they pulled such a stunt. If you don't like how he's running the football team, then suck it up and fire him

One would think that but he’s given up control of the design of the Defense, his Offense is no longer Peteball, and we aren’t playing with the idea of it’s not how you start but how you finish. Add to it that he’s looking like a man who can’t find the answers and it makes you wonder if he’s setting himself up for a graceful exit.

On the last note, I heard someone on the radio mention something about Pete giving all the regular members of the Seahawks press corp some type of special sneakers. Has anyone else heard that and is that a normal course of events for coaches and press?

[RiverDog]

Seriously though River answer the question. Why would they fear Pete ? Fear fan backlash ?
My memory goes back 9 months when most thought they got rid of the wrong guy including you . It was a firestorm with the fans .

I already told you. I don't think they want to take on a controversial decision, that their default position is to kick the can down the road. Pete has a lot of support from a lot of fans.

Do you really think Pete’s got a blank check to retire when he wants . ? They will bargain with him, kiss his ass ? Bribe him to retire

If they want him out, my hope would be that they use a carrot instead of a stick, offer him a meaningful position in the organization. I don't want to see him dumped like Jerry Jones dumped Tom Landry.

And I'm still not advocating firing Pete. I am only responding to a hypothetical question. I want to see how this season ends up.

[Aseahawkfan]

I think next year will be a key year if Pete stays or goes. This year looked good from talent infusion perspective. We look good enough on offense to compete. It's all going to come down if Pete can get the front seven improved. He does that and we're going to be a hard out against most teams.

[Hawktawk]

After looking at the 12 candidates listed as potential replacements for Hackett - I would think hard about firing any decent coach. Payton is the best candidate, and his record is basically equal with Pete's. Key is improving the talent.

That’s an excellent point in terms of established candidates and well may be why Pete still is employed as opposed to the owners having no balls . Brains . They have brains

[Hawktawk]

I think next year will be a key year if Pete stays or goes. This year looked good from talent infusion perspective. We look good enough on offense to compete. It's all going to come down if Pete can get the front seven improved. He does that and we're going to be a hard out against most teams.

My inclination would be give Pete a year with his rookies . It worked real good in 2013. I’m not calling for Pete’s firing this year per se . I’m saying if we go 7-10 losing 7 of 8 to do it I’m not sure .

I want to see how it ends too but after watching us lose these games the way we do , it’s bad football , bad coaching . Not strictly talent . Bad luck too but when you start 6-3 you can’t go 7-10.

If we lose out it’s possible we’re gonna find out some more about Jodi and Vulcan . Other then some good offense at times and the fun 4 game win streak buried in the jello in Munich this has been as unwatchable as the Flores years for me .

[RiverDog]

I think next year will be a key year if Pete stays or goes. This year looked good from talent infusion perspective. We look good enough on offense to compete. It's all going to come down if Pete can get the front seven improved. He does that and we're going to be a hard out against most teams.

My inclination would be give Pete a year with his rookies . It worked real good in 2013. I’m not calling for Pete’s firing this year per se . I’m saying if we go 7-10 losing 7 of 8 to do it I’m not sure .

I want to see how it ends too but after watching us lose these games the way we do , it’s bad football , bad coaching . Not strictly talent . Bad luck too but when you start 6-3 you can’t go 7-10.

If we lose out it’s possible we’re gonna find out some more about Jodi and Vulcan . Other then some good offense at times and the fun 4 game win streak buried in the jello in Munich this has been as unwatchable as the Flores years for me .

This past draft is what changed my mind about Pete. Had it not been for that draft, his dedication to the offensive line, and how well some of these rookies have performed, along with what we got for Russell, I would have been calling for his head just like I was at the end of last season. In my mind, this is exactly the same type of team we've seen for the past 7 seasons, mediocre.

At this point, I'm basically 50/50 about Pete.

[Hawktawk]

This past draft is what changed my mind about Pete. Had it not been for that draft, his dedication to the offensive line, and how well some of these rookies have performed, along with what we got for Russell, I would have been calling for his head just like I was at the end of last season. In my mind, this is exactly the same type of team we've seen for the past 7 seasons, mediocre.

At this point, I'm basically 50/50 about Pete.

NO question about the talent evaluation. WE have a good foundation and a great veteran coach but hes 72? say we lose out here and go 7-10. Im 50-50 if that happens. I really prefer a playoff bid, maybe some beast quake magic, die in the divisional and set the stage for a great run next couple of years.
Lose 7 of 8 after being 6-3? at some point the coach has to come into question regardless of the roster. Not my call. Its Jodies

But I dont know what the hell you said about some "random NBA franchise". Dude that comment was ridiculous.
The Blazers are a 2.1 BILLION DOLLAR asset in the Vulcan portfolio with a rich history, a championship, many playoff appearances, guys in the hall. They have a legitimate superstar in Damien Lillard. They were in the western conference finals a game from the championship and a year later they cleaned house.They have an active rabid fan base "rip city"

There's really no better an idea of what a pro sports owner might do then watching what they did with another multi billion dollar franchise they happen to own. Ask Sonics fans how important Pro Basketball is.
I dont know how you could watch the wilson trade and say its an organization without balls. They look like they have medicine balls.

All that to say Pete has lasted 13 seasons because 10 have been winning seasons and 9 playoff seasons. He won a lombardi. Its bought him time. He's flirting with back to back non playoff seasons for the first time here and back to back losing seasons for the first time in 12 years. These games matter. I'm pulling for him but my optimism for this season is gone. My faith in his continued tenure if we sweep out is faltering.

[obiken]

At this point, I'm basically 50/50 about Pete.

You and me both! River I have to ask you, do you think Russ is washed? You and I have been watching FB for years If he is, its the first time I have seen a guy disintegrate this fast this young. I think he is going to have to run if the lanes are open, that was his fastball in the day. No doubt his out pitch, which was his accurate deep ball has dissipated some. How much is up for argument.

[RiverDog]

At this point, I'm basically 50/50 about Pete.

You and me both! River I have to ask you, do you think Russ is washed? You and I have been watching FB for years If he is, its the first time I have seen a guy disintegrate this fast this young. I think he is going to have to run if the lanes are open, that was his fastball in the day. No doubt his out pitch, which was his accurate deep ball has dissipated some. How much is up for argument.

Russell is going to have to change his game if he wants to regain his magic. As I've said in other threads, he needs to start getting the ball out of his hands faster. He also needs to do something to improve his field vision, start taking advantage of what the defense is giving him.

I posted this link in another thread. It's a behind the QB view of the 3rd INT Russell threw, the one Jalen Ramsey picked off in the end zone. It was 2nd and 4 from the 38, on the outer edge of FG range, a few minutes into the 2nd quarter. Russell has an open receiver right in front of him if he throws the ball immediately and leads the receiver away from the DB and towards the sideline. He also has a very good option to run for the first down as there's a lot of green in front of him. But he chooses to throw a long, low percentage 45-50 yard bomb to the corner of the end zone and a contested receiver. You can see how the WR in the foreground, Courtland Sutton, is upset that Russ didn't throw to him or take off running.

https://twitter.com/Zach_Segars/status/ ... _&ref_url=

And here's another look at the same play from an overhead angle:

https://twitter.com/FrankiesFilm/status ... 7873645575

Of course, it's just one play, but it's not an isolated event. It's become all too common over the past few years. It's those kinds of poor decisions that Russell was making in the last couple of seasons with us, continues to make in Denver, and is something he must correct if he's going to regain the magic. There's no doubt that he can make those adjustments, but like they say in substance abuse treatment, the first step to recovery is to accept the fact that he has a problem.

[Hawktawk]

Cut the cheeseburgers and lift some weights. You aint 24.

[RiverDog]

Cut the cheeseburgers and lift some weights. You aint 24.

Losing a few pounds wouldn't hurt, but Russell's physical condition is the least of his problems.

[NorthHawk]

This past draft is what changed my mind about Pete. Had it not been for that draft, his dedication to the offensive line, and how well some of these rookies have performed, along with what we got for Russell, I would have been calling for his head just like I was at the end of last season. In my mind, this is exactly the same type of team we've seen for the past 7 seasons, mediocre.

At this point, I'm basically 50/50 about Pete

I think it's time for him to leave.
His best before date has past. His shelf life is done. It's getting pretty stale here in Seattle.
Best he leaves this year before his goodwill with the community takes a hit or dries up.
He can leave with the franchise looking like it has a future and knowing he delivered a Championship to a fan base that never experienced that.
He's tried to rebuild the team over the last 5 years and has even go so far as to change his whole defensive scheme in an attempt to improve it.
But it hasn't worked, and that's the way coaching works.
It's time for something new.

[Hawktawk]

Cut the cheeseburgers and lift some weights. You aint 24.

Losing a few pounds wouldn't hurt, but Russell's physical condition is the least of his problems.[/quote]
No
You’re wrong. Russels game demands quickness and speed . If he’s 15 or 20 lbs overweight it’s a huge problem . It’s been reported on in Denver media and as a guy who understands fit and not fit he’s not Dangerruss fit . And he he not a pocket passer primarily . He’s getting run down by linemen . Sterling sharp lit him up for his lack of conditioning “ I could run him down “

Dude took 250 mill and he’s not serous . The throw to the end zone was a not serous throw .

Overweight , jet setting around with a new team and system to learn , taping corny memes and going to the Oscar’s instead of studying and training .
He doesn’t care as much . I get it after 63 years . I don’t either but he took that money . Id be embarrassed as hell .

[RiverDog]

Cut the cheeseburgers and lift some weights. You aint 24.

Losing a few pounds wouldn't hurt, but Russell's physical condition is the least of his problems.

No. You’re wrong. Russels game demands quickness and speed . If he’s 15 or 20 lbs overweight it’s a huge problem . It’s been reported on in Denver media and as a guy who understands fit and not fit he’s not Dangerruss fit . And he he not a pocket passer primarily . He’s getting run down by linemen . Sterling sharp lit him up for his lack of conditioning “ I could run him down “

Dude took 250 mill and he’s not serous . The throw to the end zone was a not serous throw .

Overweight , jet setting around with a new team and system to learn , taping corny memes and going to the Oscar’s instead of studying and training .
He doesn’t care as much . I get it after 63 years . I don’t either but he took that money . Id be embarrassed as hell .

Russell reported weight is 215 lbs, his weight at the combine was 204 lbs. That's 11 pounds, not 15 or 20. Like I said, he could afford to lose a few pounds.

His biggest problem is his tendency to hold onto the ball too long. He has one of the slowest time to throw numbers and he's leading the league in sacks taken. He also has the most throws of 50+ yards and is 10th most in throws over 40 yards. There's a direct correlation there that has nothing to do with his physical condition. It's either something mental with how he wants to play or the offense he's operating in that has led to that condition.

[NorthHawk]

Russell reported weight is 215 lbs, his weight at the combine was 204 lbs. That's 11 pounds, not 15 or 20. Like I said, he could afford to lose a few pounds.

His biggest problem is his tendency to hold onto the ball too long. He has one of the slowest time to throw numbers and he's leading the league in sacks taken. He also has the most throws of 50+ yards and is 10th most in throws over 40 yards. There's a direct correlation there that has nothing to do with his physical condition. It's either something mental with how he wants to play or the offense he's operating in that has led to that condition.

That's part of his training here in Seattle.
The Offense was never a 3 or 5 step drop and throw timing type of Offense. It was a run, run, pass deep, or any of those 3 combinations type of Offense.
Not playing in the Pre Season probably set him back a whole lot but if you see where he has success, it's on plays like we had here. Where he's most comfortable.
Their next coach will have to figure out what he does best and is most comfortable in - and what he wants to do differently then formulate an Offense around those principles.
But he's got to play in the pre season to get a real gauge on where he's at in his adjustment to something new.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

It's been said multiple times on this forum that Russ doesn't have the same wheels. There's still some mobility left that his coaching staff should take advantage of, but he doesn't have enough quickness and speed to define his game anymore. He's going to have to get the ball out quicker which means processing faster. Aside from that, he seems to have some real issues with bad decisions. That 2nd and 4 duck of an interception (3rd of the game) he lobbed into double coverage in the end zone while ignoring 15-20 yards of green space in front of him was mind boggling. The man is off his game in a big way and has been since last season, and it isn't all the fault of the team and coaching around him.

[RiverDog]

But he's got to play in the pre season to get a real gauge on where he's at in his adjustment to something new.

Agreed. Whether it was Hackett's decision or Russell's, it was a huge mistake for him not to play in the preseason. As far as I can tell, all the other veteran quarterbacks that went to new teams, like Ryan, Wentz, and Mariota, played in the preseason. He needed not only experience with the new system, he needed to work with his receivers, center, etc.

[TriCitySam]

It was Hackett's decision to hold Russ out of the preseason, the team didn't want to "risk injury". There are others who have done that, McVay for one with Stafford, but considering it's a new team/new offense, doesn't seem like the best move.

Not sure what his weight is, but there were some pics on Twitter from a trip to Lake Como in July that elicited some unkind comments like "lookin' dangerously out of shape", "Lets Ride - to the gym" and "He's added a 12th man". Now, that was July and there was time to improve his conditioning.....HOWEVER there is a correlation between weight and speed. A study done a number of years ago would work down to this: on average 10 lbs adds .32 seconds to a 40 time.

[RiverDog]

It was Hackett's decision to hold Russ out of the preseason, the team didn't want to "risk injury". There are others who have done that, McVay for one with Stafford, but considering it's a new team/new offense, doesn't seem like the best move.

Not sure what his weight is, but there were some pics on Twitter from a trip to Lake Como in July that elicited some unkind comments like "lookin' dangerously out of shape", "Lets Ride - to the gym" and "He's added a 12th man". Now, that was July and there was time to improve his conditioning.....HOWEVER there is a correlation between weight and speed. A study done a number of years ago would work down to this: on average 10 lbs adds .32 seconds to a 40 time.

One of my favorite football personalities was Sonny Jurgensen. One season, he reported to training camp and it was pretty obvious that he had put on a few pounds. When reporters continued to press him about it, an irritated Jurgensen replied "Look: I don't know anyone who throws the ball with their stomach!"

Losing weight would help, but that's not his major problem.

[obiken]

Losing a few pounds wouldn't hurt, but Russell's physical condition is the least of his problems.

He is supposed to be a workout warrior River like Brady, now I am starting to wonder if that was fiction.

[RiverDog]

Losing a few pounds wouldn't hurt, but Russell's physical condition is the least of his problems.

He is supposed to be a workout warrior River like Brady, now I am starting to wonder if that was fiction.

Awhile back, there was a report out that Russell consumes 4800 calories and nine meals a day in order to lose weight, supposedly increasing his metabolism, and claims that it helped him shed 10 pounds. That is hard for me to believe.

Meal 1: Tablespoon of almond butter, tablespoon of jam
Meal 2: Two cups of cooked oatmeal, six whole eggs, a fruit, one chicken breast
Meal 3: A fruit, 12 almonds
Meal 4 : Eight ounces of protein (two chicken breasts), a yam OR a cup of rice OR a potato AND a vegetable
Meal 5 : Eight ounces of protein (two chicken breasts), a yam OR a cup of rice OR a potato AND a vegetable
Meal 6: A fruit, 12 almonds
Meal 7 : A fruit, 12 almonds, whey protein

https://www.insider.com/russell-wilson- ... ht-2021-10

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

The article mentions he switched to this diet in 2017. See the espn article below:

https://www.espn.com/blog/seattle-seaha ... cut-weight

And another registered dietician mentions in the October 2021 article that this diet will only make you lose weight if one is working out 3-4 hours a day every day. It may be that Russell Wilson is no longer on this diet and/or doesn't work out intensely 3-4 hours a day anymore.

[Aseahawkfan]

Russell might have gained more muscle. I lose weight on 2800 calories a day. I work out way less than a professional football player. Someone at his level 4800 calories a day would not be surprising. He probably does a combination of weightlifting and cardio along with general profession work. When I'm building muscle I'm in the 3200 to 3500 calorie range, sometimes more for the big squat or deadlift workout. I only workout about 3 to 4 days a week for 60 to 90 minutes a session. I'm roughly the same height as Russell at 5'11", but I'm heavier. I don't do a lot of cardio save for higher rep squat and deadlift sets which are taxiing on the cardio system. You can gas out before your muscles give out.

So that calorie level for a professional athlete even for weight loss is not unusual, especially during the season when they are burning a ton of calories.

Russell has always tried to gain more muscle unlike Brady who seems to focus on staying slim and general health. But more muscle might be hindering him at this point rather than helping him though I imagine it helps with the beating. It may have slowed him down. Every person has a tipping point between muscle and size and maintaining speed and mobility. It's easier to move around less weight even if that weight is muscle.

I do think the air may be giving him more trouble than he thought. At this point he's either done or he'll crawl out of this hole. It's not a very high bar to better next year at this point. He was really bad this year, easily the worst year of his career.

[RiverDog]

Here's a good article about Russell's problems and bears out what some of us have been saying:

“Anybody who’s ever played this game understands (that) it is impossible to win if your organizational structure isn’t right, and there’s a big difference between hiring a coach and empowering a coach,” Schlereth said. “Nathaniel Hackett came into a situation which, frankly, they never truly empowered him; they empowered Russell Wilson. That is a formula for disaster.”

"If that structure isn’t changed and the next coach doesn’t come in here with some gravitas and basically say, ‘This the way it is, Russ, and you either get to play by my rules or you don’t play,’ and unless a guy’s got that kind of authority, they will never win here. Ever.”

“He holds onto the ball too long. I bet you over a third of the sacks given up in Seattle over the last 10 years were directly attributed to Russell, and it’s the way it is,” Schlereth said. “… That dude needs to throw… I don’t care how many times you pat (the football), it’s not going to burp, the thing’s not a baby. Throw the freaking thing.”

Schlereth hasn’t heard Wilson take ownership for taking so many sacks, and it doesn’t quite sit right with him.

“As an offensive lineman, you’re never gonna say anything (about a quarterback being responsible for taking sacks). You’re just going to eat it and take it, and you expect the quarterback to come up and say it,” he said. “But I’ve never heard Russ one time get up on the podium and go, ‘Hey man, I held the ball too long. Those sacks are all on me. My offensive line is playing great."

Taking responsibility is an area Wilson has come up short so far with Denver, according to Schlereth.

“Is this truly humbling for you?” Schlereth posed. “Is this to a point where you look at yourself and go, ‘Hey, listen, man, I got a lot of things I got to work on,’ and, you know, ‘Being a shotgun guy, orchestrating a Drew Brees offense is not within my skill set at this particular point in time in my career and so I’m gonna have to actually make some changes?’ And do you take that responsibility? Is that on your shoulders?”

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1718428/ ... ll-wilson/

[Hawktawk]

I don’t care what Russ is listed at . Dude is 225 minimum . And he’s not cut the same . I noticed it in the opener too and mentioned it on the forum so he can’t blame injuries for not working out . His face is round , not chiseled . His arms are big but not cut . He’s out of shape . I still remember the Russ 3 years ago , lean and mean , quick and elusive AF, throw a ball from any angle on a dead run or drop a 60 yard dime off play action . That guy is gone .

[Hawktawk]

Losing a few pounds wouldn't hurt, but Russell's physical condition is the least of his problems.

“ He is supposed to be a workout warrior River like Brady, now I am starting to wonder if that was fiction.[/quote]

It has been a myth for years . River shared the Si article from 17 where teammates claimed he wasn’t putting in the work off the field back then to justify his captainship .

I read critical comments from teammates about him posting workout videos online saying guys that really work out aren’t posting videos . Again dude can’t win but it looks lazy as hell to get that out of shape when you asked for this , got your wish , demanded to be paid top dollar and you’re waddling around .


As TCS math says , 10 lbs over base slows you down as much as .38 in the 40 yd dash . Out of college I think he was a 4.5 something guy . 11 years older and if you’re heavy the muscle probably isn’t as toned either . So now he’s out there running 5 seconds plus trying to do these moves he always escaped by the thread on his uniform Running 4.55.
It’s how he got run down by Frank Clark and hurt .

He has never been able to read the field . He doesn’t throw in tight windows very often . He’s got to be explosive or why try recreating a 33 year old guy .
Conditioning has to be his foundation if he’s getting out of it .

[RiverDog]

It looks like Russell is losing some of his special privileges, like his own office and personal coaches/trainers, a.k.a. "Team 3", that he had under Nathanial Hackett:

One of the biggest storylines was a report that Russell Wilson had his own office in the facility and his own personal performance team made up of outside trainers and physical therapists. Something Sean Payton said would be coming to an end going forward. "That's foreign to me," Payton told the Denver Post. "That's not going to take place here. I'm not familiar with it, but our staff will be here, our players will be here and that'll be it."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/se ... c5abbd1ad2

To be fair, a number of Russell's teammates were able to rationalize some of those special privileges, but when things aren't going well like they were last season, it's pretty obvious that kind of treatment could cause a rub with others not to mention create a lot of negative publicity about him and the coaching staff.

Whether you love him, hate him, or don't give a rip one way or another, it will be an interesting drama how all this plays out.

[Aseahawkfan]

It looks like Russell is losing some of his special privileges, like his own office and personal coaches/trainers, a.k.a. "Team 3", that he had under Nathanial Hackett:

One of the biggest storylines was a report that Russell Wilson had his own office in the facility and his own personal performance team made up of outside trainers and physical therapists. Something Sean Payton said would be coming to an end going forward. "That's foreign to me," Payton told the Denver Post. "That's not going to take place here. I'm not familiar with it, but our staff will be here, our players will be here and that'll be it."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/se ... c5abbd1ad2

To be fair, a number of Russell's teammates were able to rationalize some of those special privileges, but when things aren't going well like they were last season, it's pretty obvious that kind of treatment could cause a rub with others not to mention create a lot of negative publicity about him and the coaching staff.

Whether you love him, hate him, or don't give a rip one way or another, it will be an interesting drama how all this plays out.

I'm still skeptical it was as bad as it was being painted, but Payton won't tolerate any outside influence. Payton runs the show. He knows how to be a head coach with a clear vision for the entire team. If Russell wants to win on offense, he'll listen to Payton.