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by **c_hawkbob** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:02 pm

Jason La Canfora‏@JasonLaCanfora23 secs24 seconds ago49ers announce they've released Ray McDonald

After a search warrant was issued in a sexual assault investigation: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12042 ... al-assault

More: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12042 ... estigation

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:26 pm

I just saw that.
Wow, hes a worse guy than I thought with the previous accusation being buried by the system.

by **kalibane** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:27 pm

A cynical person would point out that before they were eliminated from playoff contention it was important for the 49ers to let due process to take it's course, but after they were eliminated it became more important to cut ties based on a "pattern of poor behavior" *cough* Aldon Smith *cough* before due process has taken place.

Good thing I'm not cynical.

by **Long Time Fan** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:31 pm

E-I-E-I-O

by **HumanCockroach** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:11 pm

Shouldn't someone be on this thread telling us how we all are only on a witch hunt, and that there is poor judgement on our part because we don't look at things objectively?? Something feels like it's missing here.....

SMDH. McDonald certainly isn't doing himself or the Niners any favors ( not to mention his new victim). With how dysfunctional that team has been the last several years in regards to player conduct, discipline and ramifications, I find it sad personally. McDonald was important I suppose until he wasn't needed any longer, and then it's "see ya' later" prior to that, it was all about the due process ( and to be honest, does anyone but said missing defend the criminal at all costs guy, really believe McDonald was innocent in the last case? I sure the hell don't) Guess Aldon's "value" outweighs his off field problems to date, we'll see after his next stupid move, or the one after that, or the one after that or etc if it is. Eventually, all the felonies, assaults, drunk driving stuff HAS to catch up to them, right? I understand that it is "all about the money" but even then it eventually outweighs the cash.

by **Zorn76** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:54 pm

The wheels already have fallen off for the 49ers, to the point where they're practically sliding along with no axles.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see them lose by double digits to either the Chargers or *Cards to close the season.

As for McDonald, meh, who cares.

He created this in the first place, so all bets are off once you've done so.

*Edit

by **Hawktawk** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:41 pm

How convenient we hear about it after they are eliminated. Did a woman get assaulted because of the 9er FO and the DA? I want to know and I want to know now Goodell!!!

by **Futureite** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:58 pm

kalibane wrote:A cynical person would point out that before they were eliminated from playoff contention it was important for the 49ers to let due process to take it's course, but after they were eliminated it became more important to cut ties based on a "pattern of poor behavior" *cough* Aldon Smith *cough* before due process has taken place.

Good thing I'm not cynical.

Well you would be right on the first part. Of course we cut him because we are out of contention now. That does not alter the conclusion as whether it was right or wrong to play him during a time when he was accused of a separate crime. There may have been nothing to that story at all, and neither you, I, and possibly even the 49ers know what occurred in that event. In my personal opinion, it is not morally right to fire someone based upon an accusation. I understand it from a business sense if doing so protects your stockholders from loss of value, but from a standpoint of what is right or wrong? No person should lose their job based upon an unsubstantiated claim. In this case the 49ers were both correct in their first position and though it cannot be proven, hypocritical in cutting him now. What do you know, old buddy, but it turns out there are actually gray (or grey, depending on preference) areas in life.

As to you second cough cough analogy, Aldon has been awesome since his suspension and has had zero character issues. He looks like he is on a great track, so who even knows what you are referring to there. He did his time and accepted it. Time to let it go. I do remember Percy Harvin scoring a TD in the Super Bowl after trying to knock Golden Tate's eye out of its socket earlier in the week, so there you go. I guess all organizations make calculated choices on who to play and when, don't they. These moral battles on whose team takes the high road more often than the other never really seem to have a winner. And it's a flat out stupid thing to argue considering every team has a mix of players from specious backgrounds and questionable moral character.

The funny thing with your chiding comments is that you offer than in a manner which suggests Niner fans are arguing against you - but we are not. In fact, I just called local radio to vent about Jed York no more than 1 hour ago. We are not happy with the inconsistent message sent by our FO, and in my opinion the bulk of it falls squarely on our GQ owner/president. Our FO has big problems, and we know it.

by **kalibane** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:27 pm

I stopped at "Aldon Smith has zero character issues". Seriously ... get a grip.

by **mykc14** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:12 pm

Futureite wrote: These moral battles on whose team takes the high road more often than the other never really seem to have a winner. And it's a flat out stupid thing to argue considering every team has a mix of players from specious backgrounds and questionable moral character.

Don't you get it? The only reason this keeps coming up is because of Harbaughs 'above reproach' comment. I totally agree it is stupid for fans to argue this but it was so much stupider for a coach to try and argue it, don't you think? That is why it is continually brought up. If he doesn't make those comments we don't really care about this.

by **HumanCockroach** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:25 pm

In my personal opinion, it is not morally right to fire someone based upon an accusation

Um, McDonald has still not been charged with anything big guy, so, I suppose it's OK to fire someone when they are accused of something prior to having a charge, so long as you are out of the playoffs?? Is this what you were attempting to say?? LMAO dude, Smith WAS charged and not released, McDonald WASN'T charged, and was. What that says to me, is that so long as the Niner organisation needs you, you can pretty much do whatever the hell you want, and they will wait for "due process", and even AFTER due process, your safe, so long as you have enough "value" moving forward. The second that stops being the case, see ya.

Are you unable, to just admit the FO of your team, wouldn't sit or cut McDonald the first time because they NEEDED him, or is it some sort of character flaw in you that at all times defends your team, coaches and FO regardless, because of the jersey they wear.....

Something tells me it's the latter..

Either way, it's hypocritical to defend the earlier move and applaud the later, because truth is, if that was the parameters, McDonald would still be lining up this Sunday, as his "due process" hasn't even BEGUN in this circumstance, and yet the Niners still dumped him. Several guys currently playing on your team, STILL have pending issues hanging over their heads, and I don't remember them getting the axe, why is that exactly?

by **Hawktawk** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:36 am

Sadly what the episode tells us is nothings really changed...........
Ray Rice gets cut, AP gets exempt list and gets paid. It was about the name on the jersey. Always was.
That how we wound up with an OJ, an Aaron Hernandez. That's how some girl got raped by McDonald. He was needed for a Super Bowl run so the earlier incident was swept under the rug. even though the team was aware of the extensive evidence of an assault on a pregnant girlfriend.Its just like the azz clown who's name escapes me that busted a bottle over someone's head and threatened to kill them and wasn't disciplined. Crabtree, Aldons relative slap on the wrist,the list goes on and on. And it isn't just the 9ers. Carolina basically pleaded to get Greg Hardy back on the field even though he is appealing a CONVICTION for spousal abuse. Its about a sense of entitlement by players and a win at all costs mentality from owners and coaches.

Goody two shoes has a long way to go to clean up this mess. Actually not the best way to start to clean it up is to have him walk out the door.

by **monkey** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:13 pm

I have to make a point here.
At the moment, there are media types trying to spin this as "the Niners doing the right thing", and that's pure crap.
Had the Niners wanted to "do the right thing", they'd have done it long ago, not waited until AFTER they were eliminated from the playoffs to do this.

They get ZERO credit for doing this, because I GUARANTEE if they were still in the playoff hunt, they wouldn't have!

The Niners and their fans thoroughly disgust me. I'll miss the rivalry, but the enjoyment I'll derive from watching this team rot away from top down will ease my sense of loss. :lol:

Goodbye Harbaugh, Mr. high and mighty when chirping crap about the Seahawks. What a complete hypocrite.

EDIT: Bah....I typed all of this after getting done with work, I've been fuming about it all day, and so when I saw this thread I didn't read it beyond the original post.
Now I see that what I said was completely redundant (here I thought I would have a fresh take on the topic), but I'll leave it here rather than delete it just to tick off the troll, whose opinions get crazier (actually he's just being more honest as he cares about hiding his true intent less and less) by the day.

by **Zorn76** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:41 am

Another redundant phrase that I've been enjoying pertaining to the 49ers demise lately...

Harbaugh: "Who's got it better than us?!!"

Answer: "Everybody!!!"

by **RiverDog** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:12 am

mykc14 wrote:Don't you get it? The only reason this keeps coming up is because of Harbaughs 'above reproach' comment. I totally agree it is stupid for fans to argue this but it was so much stupider for a coach to try and argue it, don't you think? That is why it is continually brought up. If he doesn't make those comments we don't really care about this.

Best post in the thread. I can't think of anything to add.

by **Futureite** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:45 pm

HC;

Per usual, I have no idea where to start. Aldon and RM were charged with two different crimes, and the situations were obviously different. One was charged with a violent crime, the other really did nothing other than act like a fool. The latter did his time and has been a model player and citizen since. Will it last? Who knows. But he sure looks and acts like a different person. Then again, I always liked him.

As to RM, no - I do not believe that any person should lose their job based upon an unsubstantiated allegation. I still believe that. However, if you run a business, most states have "at will" provisions which protect the employer and allow them to terminate you or I for doing almost anything that they believe hurts their business. In this case, the 49ers may have in fact sat RM down and given him a set of marching orders that necessitated him staying far away from any situation which involved any possible legal action to protect themselves. He may have in fact violated those undisclosed terms by intentionally inserting himself in yet another perilous situation. So, the 49ers would in fact be acting entirely consistent to terminate him now.

That said, I do agree that the 49ers probably cut him because their season is over. But there is no possible way to know, and as I just laid out their course of action can be viewed as consistent and justifiable. In common terms, I believe it is moronic to drop any player upon one accusation. It just seems beyond absurd to me. The Seahawks did not drop Marshawn Lynch when someone made up a random event, so why should the 49ers drop their players when accused? I understand the situations are not entirely equatable, but the principle is the same.

The bigger issue is why you and others are so obsessed with this idea of moral superiority. Someone eluded to the "above reproach" comment. I can't speak for you all, but if Carroll had said it about us, I think it is long forgotten around here. I mean, he has taken plenty of shots at the 49er organization, and it goes largely unnoticed here. Just recently he responded to the Jed York Tweet by stating "Our owner would never do that". He's made plenty of wise cracks like that here and there, but I think it's just gamesmanship. It doesn't mean much more than what I said about JH's comment at the time: It's a bit immature, and a competitive tactic similar to Phil Jackson to get into the opposition's head. I do not believe these things work though, and it's all just a bunch of hot air. I have no idea why some of you have taken it this seriously for so long.

by **Zorn76** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:19 am

It's all over the bay area as well.

KNBR hosts and listeners are all piling on now, lol.

Whatever.

If it wasn't this season, it woulda been next.

McDonald is merely this year's recipient of the team's tool reward.

by **Hawktawk** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:37 am

[quote="Futureite"]HC;

Per usual, I have no idea where to start. Aldon and RM were charged with two different crimes, and the situations were obviously different. One was charged with a violent crime, the other really did nothing other than act like a fool. The latter did his time and has been a model player and citizen since. Will it last? Who knows. But he sure looks and acts like a different person. Then again, I always liked him.

So lets get this straight. Hosting a party with former 9er Delaney walker where illegal firearms were discharged striking a person. Then the 2 DWI's, the second smashed up against a tree passed out with the engine racing and back tires spinning. Thank goodness there was a tree eh? The cab of the truck was littered with drugs. Then lets just throw in the terroristic threat to a TSA officer when he was supposedly sober although there were people on the scene who said he appeared to be on something.

Yeah that Aldon Smith he's a really good boy, just a big teddy bear. Just actin the fool, nothing violent about him......

See Future its you that is a part of the problem. The guy should have received a full season ban at a minimum. Mark my words he will wind up hurting someone before its said and done.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:04 pm

LOL, I could pick that all apart Future, what's the point though? You STILL have multiple players that have comitted "violent" crimes playing for your team ( charged, but STILL playing) McDonald HASN'T been charged. It's hypocritical for you to continue on this "objectivity" path, when it is clear you have NONE. I could care less if the Niners cut McDonald, and I could care less if your FO is a group of hypocrits. I could also care less that you continue to defend said hypocritical actions. So I'm done with this stupidity. Your colors are clear to anyone who can read, and that is your issue not mine. By all means defend your players dangerous, stupid actions, and the FO willingness to ignore it.

by **mykc14** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:00 pm

It seems like there is another layer to this story. In the victims report she said that she had spent the day drinking with McDonald and Aldon Smith. I thought part of his deal with the league was that he wasn't going to drink anymore. They couldn't prove he was drunk with the whole airport thing and they probably won't be able to prove that he was drinking this time, but it probably won't be long until he is suspended for a year. Some people just don't learn.

http://espn.go.com/blog/san-francisco-49ers/

by **NorthHawk** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:38 pm

Apparently the Police have seized the security tapes so maybe there is something on them that could clear this up.

by **HumanCockroach** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:48 pm

mykc14 wrote:It seems like there is another layer to this story. In the victims report she said that she had spent the day drinking with McDonald and Aldon Smith. I thought part of his deal with the league was that he wasn't going to drink anymore. They couldn't prove he was drunk with the whole airport thing and they probably won't be able to prove that he was drinking this time, but it probably won't be long until he is suspended for a year. Some people just don't learn.

http://espn.go.com/blog/san-francisco-49ers/

I'm SHOCKED...... Said no one ever. Ultimately, you had to know somehow he would be in some way involved in this infraction. And yes indeed his plea bargain included NO alcohol consumption of ANY kind while on his 3 year probation.

Not sure the NFL will act ( and damn sure the Niners brass will once again look the other way), so ultimately it reaffirms Smiths character issues ( once again) and will be ignored, or worse defended, by the FO, coaching staff, players, NFL and ignorant fans.

by **Hawktawk** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:04 am

Aldon is just a good kid who lost his way HC. Don't be so hard on him. Whats a couple beers for a good old boy like that?

by **Zorn76** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:16 pm

Aldon Smith is heading for some serious trouble, and may already be an alcoholic.
His behavior has all the makings of one.
I hope he gets some serious help and it sticks, because he could end up losing much more than his career in the NFL.

by **kalibane** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:25 pm

May? He is definitely an alcoholic. When you wrap your car around a telephone pole because you were so trashed 2-3 hours before you're due at work, you officially have a problem. This is why the 49ers should have sent him to in patient treatment LAST year for at least 3 months. But they don't really care about him, they are happy to act as an enabler so long as he produces on the field and doesn't do anything that really draws bad publicity.

by **Futureite** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:42 pm

So is this fact or fabrication? Pretty sure it is determined to be "fact" 1,000 north of where I live 2 min after it hits the net lol.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:58 pm

mykc14 wrote:It seems like there is another layer to this story. In the victims report she said that she had spent the day drinking with McDonald and Aldon Smith. I thought part of his deal with the league was that he wasn't going to drink anymore. They couldn't prove he was drunk with the whole airport thing and they probably won't be able to prove that he was drinking this time, but it probably won't be long until he is suspended for a year. Some people just don't learn.

http://espn.go.com/blog/san-francisco-49ers/

I saw that story, and the first thing that came to my mind was Future's claim that Aldon has been a model citizen since his suspension. I suppose the next thing he'll try to sell us is ocean front property in Nevada.

It's pretty apparent that Smith is not reformed. According to witnesses during his airport arrest, he had been drinking when he was arrested for making a bomb threat and now he's mixed up in this thing with McDonald. I'm not necessarily advocating a long suspension, but in light of the events of the past year, it would not surprise me at all if they came down on Smith like a ton of bricks. I don't think the league can afford to look the other way like they have in the past.

by **Futureite** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:08 pm

River;

According to Smith and his agent he was at a charity event that same night and what has been reported absolutely did not happen. I am sure this can easily be confirmed one way or the other, right? I mean, haven't we learned anything over the past yr about making snap judgements after reading a media report?

by **RiverDog** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:19 pm

Futureite wrote:River;

According to Smith and his agent he was at a charity event that same night and what has been reported absolutely did not happen. I am sure this can easily be confirmed one way or the other, right? I mean, haven't we learned anything over the past yr about making snap judgements after reading a media report?

Oh, Smith and his agent said it didn't happen? Well, then excuse me all to hell. Knowing that makes all the difference in the world. His agent has to be right up there with the Pope as an example of a credible witness.

We'll see. Perhaps poor innocent Aldon is as pure as the wind driven snow as you claim he is. I'm not saying he isn't. But the mere fact that his name is popping up in the McDonald case has to be concerning and it will attract the attention of the boys in New York.

by **Futureite** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:29 pm

It's pretty easy to confirm if a player participated in a charity event or if he was at a party. Would be impossible to be at two places at once. I still don't understand the obsession with our guys' character. Marshawn is an Oakland hood rat but I love the guy. Meanwhile you guys are convinced that he is just a huggable Skittles eater who somehow is not from where he's from and Aldon is Satan. It's beyond weird and bordering pure stupid to me, but that's just how I see it. Being from that area maybe I just see people like this a little differently than you all.

I have no idea if Aldon was there or not. All I do know is that every report on his progress prior to it was 100% positive and documented, and the media has fabricated more than a few of these stories about our players.

by **Futureite** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:50 pm

2012 - Per CHP, Lynch was weaving in and out of lanes driving a Ford Econoline van on HWY 880, almost hitting sevaral vehicles. Lynch blew a .08 at the point of the arrest and slightly higher after being incarcerated, indicating a rising blood alchohol level.

Translation: He had just pounded a 40 and a shot or two before jumping into a van and was even more piss drunk by the time the alchohol had hit his system. The 880 is a CA HWY that runs from Oakland to San Jose, which interestingly enough, is the city which Aldon Smith currently resides in.

So I am sure this guy would just be a peach if he lived here in the bay playing for the 49ers. No really he'd actually have been at the same parties Aldon Smith's been at doing the same things. And anyone who thinks any different has a sugar high from eating too many skittles. The only real difference is that he is stuck up in a little city with his biggest temptation being a mocha or Ice Americano.

But let's throw Skittles at him because he can run for 80 yd TDs but talk about Aldon as the scum of the earth. Hillarious or sad?

by **HumanCockroach** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:52 pm

So just so I got the system straight, if it is an unsubstaniated, report about how Wilson said he "should" be rookie of the year, and no link can be found, no one in the world heard it, it is absolutely true, when it comes to Aldon Smith, with substantiated, linkable, multiple sources, it is hear say, and unreliable? Got it... Moving on... And Merry Christmas and what not.

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:57 pm

He might not be an alcoholic as some of us have done crazy things but were really lucky when loaded, but aren't addicted.
However, all it takes is evidence of one drink to violate the agreement with the law to get into trouble.

We'll have to wait to see how this plays out.

by **Futureite** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:04 pm

HumanCockroach wrote:So just so I got the system straight, if it is an unsubstaniated, report about how Wilson said he "should" be rookie of the year, and no link can be found, no one in the world heard it, it is absolutely true, when it comes to Aldon Smith, with substantiated, linkable, multiple sources, it is hear say, and unreliable? Got it... Moving on... And Merry Christmas and what not.

Lol back to that? I know where you get this from. Before and after the 49er game in Seattle I listened to your radio guys chide everyone from our coach, to our QB to our GM, owner and fans. For a good 20+ min they chided like lil' highschool kids. I kept waiting for them to talk about your team - you know, the reigning SB Champs? But instead they just kept up the ametuerish second rate routine. Yuk yuk yuk. I can still hear them now. No wonder you guys form these opinions listening to that crap week after week.

You can believe what I posted or not. Nothing has been substantiated with Aldon Smith. This is what the legal system is for. As we have discussed numerous times.

I am watching It's a Wonderful Life now lol. Merry X-Mas

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by **Futureite** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:10 pm

NorthHawk wrote:He might not be an alcoholic as some of us have done crazy things but were really lucky when loaded, but aren't addicted.
However, all it takes is evidence of one drink to violate the agreement with the law to get into trouble.

We'll have to wait to see how this plays out.

He is allowed to drink. Violates parole if he drinks and then drives. A standard of zero alchohol would be absurd and almost unenforceable. If you go to a X-Mas party and have a glass of wine with family, you'd be in violation.

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:23 pm

The NFL permits drinking or they haven't set terms for it?
Prater from Denver was suspended because he had a beer (supposedly 1) and it violated his terms of punishment.

by **HumanCockroach** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:45 pm

Your statements, not mine or some yuk,yuk,yuk radio person ( haven't listened to sports radio since Monday morning) just clarifying your position. Have I missed something here? Your claim on Wilson was posted by you, right? And you post in this thread was posted by you, correct? Just clarifying how your unbiased eyes see this stuff, as it always seems to change, from week to week, depending of course on what jersey a person wears. Hard to keep track.

PS. Beat me to it North, I was also going to ask about the NFL and how they handled Prater. I was under the impression that legal ramfications were NOT what we were talking about, and yes the NFL can and HAS implemented a "no alcohol of any kind" policy, and had indeed enforced it in the past.

by **mykc14** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:48 pm

Futureite wrote:River;

According to Smith and his agent he was at a charity event that same night and what has been reported absolutely did not happen. I am sure this can easily be confirmed one way or the other, right? I mean, haven't we learned anything over the past yr about making snap judgements after reading a media report?

What are you talking about? He can't be at both? He doesn't have to be at both he can be at one and then the other. Nobody is saying that it is a fact that he was drinking with them but there has been a lot of smoke surrounding him and where there's smoke there's USUALLY (not always so don't get your panties in a bundle), well you know. Before you ask here are a few examples of smoke: Airport incident in which multiple people say he either had been or appeared to be drinking. Another example is the league not shortening his suspension, something they said they would do if he fulfilled all the requirements laid out before him, and now this example. Again lots of smoke...

by **HumanCockroach** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:52 pm

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId= ... rc=desktop

Well I'll be a monkeys uncle. Aldon Smith cannot drink ANY alcohol per his agreement upon reinstatement with the NFL and has been tested twice a week because of it, guess that whole " one glass of wine yada,yada,yada" was a bunch of good old fashioned hooey once again. Future if you are going to make statements, maybe look into them FIRST before telling us we don't know what we are talking about. Sheesh man.

by **mykc14** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:54 pm

Futureite wrote:River;

According to Smith and his agent...

Really according to Smith and his agent, huh. This is the same Smith who claimed that he had fulfilled all requirements set forth by the league during his suspension. This is also the same agent who confirmed that Smith had fulfilled all those requirements. The problem was that both had been lying. The league said that Smith did not fulfill his counsiling requirements. So, Smith and his agent lied a few months ago to protect his image, but couldn't be lying now to protect it.

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