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Of course!

Hehe- good timing with the Pro-Bowl snub.

400 yards of offense, 3 TD's and no turnovers? Yeah, should have ( and should have made the Pro Bowl as well).

There are a few other candidates that I can think of that are deserving of mention:

Luke Willson

Marshawn Lynch

Doug Baldwin

Seahawk Offensive Line

Did I leave anyone out?

No-brainer for RW.

I think Beast was the FedEx ground player of the week - at least he was nominated - and he may have won it.

RiverDog wrote:There are a few other candidates that I can think of that are deserving of mention:

Luke Willson

Marshawn Lynch

Doug Baldwin

Seahawk Offensive Line

Did I leave anyone out?

Except none of them were nominated for the award so your post was not on topic.

Anthony wrote:Except none of them were nominated for the award so your post was not on topic.

I think it was just a light comment about how good the entire team looked- no need to scold.

burrrton wrote:
I think it was just a light comment about how good the entire team looked- no need to scold.

Maybe I just get tired how when we talk about something other players do, there is no mention of the rest of the team. But for some here whenever Wilson is mentioned they feel the need to remind everyone about the rest of the team.

300+ yard passing and 85+ yards rushing, He's the first in NFL history to do that twice, I thought that's a pretty cool stat for just a "game manager" right

burrrton wrote:I think it was just a light comment about how good the entire team looked- no need to scold.

That's exactly what it was, at least as it pertains to the offensive side of the ball. I'm not into the individual awards because they tend to concentrate on only those contributions that are quantifiable and if I had my way, I would abolish them. Our OL was without two Pro Bowlers and going up against a team that sacked Russell 7 times the last time we met them. They go out and set a team record for total yards and they barely get a footnote from anyone, in the media or otherwise.

Not to take anything away from Russell, he had a tremendous game, perhaps the best put up by any Seahawk quarterback ever, but there was a number of players out there that were just as deserving as him. You don't beat a playoff bound team that hasn't lost at home by a score of 35-6 any other way.

RiverDog wrote:
That's exactly what it was, at least as it pertains to the offensive side of the ball. I'm not into the individual awards because they tend to concentrate on only those contributions that are quantifiable and if I had my way, I would abolish them. Our OL was without two Pro Bowlers and going up against a team that sacked Russell 7 times the last time we met them. They go out and set a team record for total yards and they barely get a footnote from anyone, in the media or otherwise.

Not to take anything away from Russell, he had a tremendous game, perhaps the best put up by any Seahawk quarterback ever, but there was a number of players out there that were just as deserving as him. You don't beat a playoff bound team that hasn't lost at home by a score of 35-6 any other way.

The point is then start a thread about that do not hijack one. Also I have seen Lynch and others get awards and such and do not recall ever seeing you say yeah but how about that oline, Wr, or QB. IJN fact there is a thread right now about the historic Defense, no were did you say yeah but that O and ST helps to0. The extent of your ensuring other get their due seems to be narrowed to when it is about Wilson.

Anthony wrote:The point is then start a thread about that do not hijack one. Also I have seen Lynch get awards and such and do not recall ever seeing you say yeah but how about that oline, Wr, or QB, The extent of your ensuring other get their due seems to be narrowed to when it is about Wilson.

Oh, quit whining about this hijacking of a thread. The performance of our offensive line had a direct relationship to Russell's performance, so it is very much on topic. And if you are trying to imply that I am somehow not a RW supporter, you can stop right there and now. No one on this forum has more respect for his ability than I do. I just felt like we should toss a few peanuts over to the OL and that this might be a good medium in which to do so.

RiverDog wrote:

Oh, quit whining about this hijacking of a thread. The performance of our offensive line had a direct relationship to Russell's performance, so it is very much on topic. And if you are trying to imply that I am somehow not a RW supporter, you can stop right there and now. No one on this forum has more respect for his ability than I do. I just felt like we should toss a few peanuts over to the OL and that this might be a good medium in which to do so.

No I did not say you do not support Wilson only you take every chance you can to ensure others get credit when he does. However when it is Lynch or Sherman or Et or anyone else you do not. Sorry not whining stating a fact. This thread is about Wilson winning NFC OPW not about the oline. When the Pro bowlers were announced did you say they should all thank the rest of the team for it? No its only Wilson. For all I know you are not aware you are doing it but you are, you only add the lets not forget about everyone else to Wilsons achievements. Like I said you want to do that fine start another thread and do it for everyone.

Anthony wrote:No I did not say you do not support Wilson only you take every chance you can to ensure others get credit when he does. However when it is Lynch or Sherman or Et or anyone else you do not. Sorry not whining stating a fact. This thread is about Wilson winning NFC OPW not about the oline. When the Pro bowlers were announced did you say they should all thank the rest of the team for it? No its only Wilson. For all I know you are not aware you are doing it but you are, you only add the lets not forget about everyone else to Wilsons achievements. Like I said you want to do that fine start another thread and do it for everyone.

That's a bold face lie of which you cannot prove.

Besides, even if what you say is true, what difference should it make? This is a forum to express opinions, not to take cheap shots at other poster's particular habits or styles. Attack the post, not the poster. And if you don't like the thread being 'hijacked', then report my behavior to the mods. In my opinion, my comments were directly related to the thread title. You do not have the authority to pass judgment on these matters.

I think it's obvious that a QBs success is determined in part by the OL in front of them.
Some QBs succeed with lesser OLs and others better, but the big guys up front are key to the Offense on any team so adding them into the mix in this discussion isn't off topic.

RiverDog wrote:

That's a bold face lie of which you cannot prove.

Besides, even if what you say is true, what difference should it make? This is a forum to express opinions, not to take cheap shots at other poster's particular habits or styles. Attack the post, not the poster. And if you don't like the thread being 'hijacked', then report my behavior to the mods. In my opinion, my comments were directly related to the thread title. You do not have the authority to pass judgment on these matters.

Dude I specified 2 threads were you did not do it, so its not a lie, and SYI If I cannot prove you did it you cannot also not prove you did not. FYI I did prove it. I have never seen you do it for any thread other than Wilsons. In your opinion they were directly related to the thread in mine they were not. The thread is about Wilson winning NFC OPW, not about the oline, or Wr, or anyone else. FYI I did not pass judgment on you, nice try, I made an observation that you post did not fit in this thread and you wen tall high and mighty, then I stated and showed were you have not doe this to anyone else, but again high and mighty. I even said you may not be aware your doing it, so sorry I did not pass judgment, I did not say you a hater, or a bad person for it. I just showed were you did it. FYI You poste din the historic D thread but no were did you give credit to the ST or Offense for their role in the historic D. I mean ST helps by pinning teams deep in their own territory giving the defense more room. The offense helps by keeping the defense off the field and fresh. But no mention of them. Again I am not judging you, I am not even sure you are aware you do it, but as I said I have never seen you do it for anyone else but Wilson, and I have shown examples of you doing it. This thread was about Wilson winning the NFC OPW not about the oline, WR, or anyone else, there was no need to mention them it was off topic.

There shouldn't be too much disagreement about Wilson for Gawds sakes. RD said Wilson might have played "the best game ever by a Hawks QB" so I think hes on the bandwagon.

RW clearly makes his team and receivers better. He bails his line out numerous times most weeks with his escapability. Lynch is awesome but having a QB who routinely gashes teams for huge yards himself creates some opportunities for Beast too, much like a healthy RGIII with Alfred Morris in 2012. Underestimate RW at your peril. Ask John Fox who had 6'7"Brock Ostweiller trying to emulate Wilson leading up to the Superbowl. Ask Alex Okeafor.The list keeps growing. Its an unbelievable time to be a fan of the Hawks.

Anthony wrote:Dude I specified 2 threads were you did not do it, so its not a lie, and SYI If I cannot prove you did it you cannot also not prove you did not. FYI I did prove it. I have never seen you do it for any thread other than Wilsons. In your opinion they were directly related to the thread in mine they were not. The thread is about Wilson winning NFC OPW, not about the oline, or Wr, or anyone else. FYI I did not pass judgment on you, nice try, I made an observation that you post did not fit in this thread and you wen tall high and mighty, then I stated and showed were you have not doe this to anyone else, but again high and mighty. I even said you may not be aware your doing it, so sorry I did not pass judgment, I did not say you a hater, or a bad person for it. I just showed were you did it. FYI You poste din the historic D thread but no were did you give credit to the ST or Offense for their role in the historic D. I mean ST helps by pinning teams deep in their own territory giving the defense more room. The offense helps by keeping the defense off the field and fresh. But no mention of them. Again I am not judging you, I am not even sure you are aware you do it, but as I said I have never seen you do it for anyone else but Wilson, and I have shown examples of you doing it. This thread was about Wilson winning the NFC OPW not about the oline, WR, or anyone else, there was no need to mention them it was off topic.

Did not do what? Say something about Sherman, Thomas, et al sharing credit for accolades with their teammates but because I did mention that Russell's teammates assisting his performance makes me some sort of hypocrite? Even if I cared about your opinion, which I do not, I can't follow your logic.

And like I said before, if you think I am making off topic comments, report it to the mods. Don't whine to me about it.

Hawktawk wrote:There shouldn't be too much disagreement about Wilson for Gawds sakes. RD said Wilson might have played "the best game ever by a Hawks QB" so I think hes on the bandwagon.

RW clearly makes his team and receivers better. He bails his line out numerous times most weeks with his escapability. Lynch is awesome but having a QB who routinely gashes teams for huge yards himself creates some opportunities for Beast too, much like a healthy RGIII with Alfred Morris in 2012. Underestimate RW at your peril. Ask John Fox who had 6'7"Brock Ostweiller trying to emulate Wilson leading up to the Superbowl. Ask Alex Okeafor.The list keeps growing. Its an unbelievable time to be a fan of the Hawks.

You damn right I'm on the bandwagon. Thanks, Hawktalk. Somehow those comments get lost. As good as our defense is, we wouldn't even be playoff caliber if not for Russell Wilson. There's not another quarterback in the league that I would want leading team, not the way our team is composed.

As far as his making our OL better, that can cut both ways. Russell's escape ability definitely can cut down on sacks in some situations, but it can also lead to them in others. It is extremely difficult for a lineman to block for a scrambling quarterback as he doesn't always know which way his QB is going to go, such as the OT forcing the edge rush outside knowing that your QB will step in the pocket. Plus by extending plays with his scrambling rather than throwing away the ball, the OL has to work harder and maintain their blocks longer.

Hawktawk wrote:There shouldn't be too much disagreement about Wilson for Gawds sakes. RD said Wilson might have played "the best game ever by a Hawks QB" so I think hes on the bandwagon.

RW clearly makes his team and receivers better. He bails his line out numerous times most weeks with his escapability. Lynch is awesome but having a QB who routinely gashes teams for huge yards himself creates some opportunities for Beast too, much like a healthy RGIII with Alfred Morris in 2012. Underestimate RW at your peril. Ask John Fox who had 6'7"Brock Ostweiller trying to emulate Wilson leading up to the Superbowl. Ask Alex Okeafor.The list keeps growing. Its an unbelievable time to be a fan of the Hawks.

I never said RD did not say anything good about Wilson, only that this thread is about Wilson not the oline, Wr so no need to mention them. This is something I have only seen him do towards Wilson. IF he wants to make sure every gets their due fine, start a thread about everyone else or make sure to include everyone on every other thread about a single player not just Wilson.

RiverDog wrote:
Did not do what? Say something about Sherman, Thomas, et al sharing credit for accolades with their teammates but because I did mention that Russell's teammates assisting his performance makes me some sort of hypocrite? Even if I cared about your opinion, which I do not, I can't follow your logic.

And like I said before, if you think I am making off topic comments, report it to the mods. Don't whine to me about it.

Cant follow or do not want to follow? Here let me help you since you do not get it. In this thread about Wilson winning the NFC OPW you made sure that we all knew that other players were involved, like we did not already know that. However for instance in the historic D thread you make no mention of others, no mention how the ST makes it easier on the D or the Offense, etc. That is 1 example. My point is, and I am not saying you do this on purpose, or that you do not like Wilson. All I am saying is I have never seen you do this to anyone but Wilson. It would have been nice to have a post about Wilson getting an award without you having to make sure we all knew he had help, which is true of any player in football. How about we leave it about Wilson. You do not see me or you for that matter in every thread about Lynch saying yeah but those Wr are blocking great for him, or the oline. No the thread is about Lynch and he deserves his thread.

Next I am not whining, I am making a statement of fact, if you cannot handle that, it is on you.

Oh my god....are you really getting your panties in a bunch because someone mentions other players that contributed? Last I checked football was a team sport. No player truly operates in a vacuum. Wilson is phenomenal, but his success is also aided by those RD mentioned. Not a slight and definitely within topic.

This incessant whining is why I haven't been hear in a while. Geez...enjoy the ride a little.

Ironfist wrote:Oh my god....are you really getting your panties in a bunch because someone mentions other players that contributed? Last I checked football was a team sport. No player truly operates in a vacuum. Wilson is phenomenal, but his success is also aided by those RD mentioned. Not a slight and definitely within topic.

This incessant whining is why I haven't been hear in a while. Geez...enjoy the ride a little.

Again we all know that, I am making a point if he wants to make sure we know that every time a player or part of a team gets an award or notoriety that is fine do it for all of them. He only does it when it is Wilson. That is the point of this. If I were you I would stop your whining about the subject since you obviously did not get the gist of the whole thing.


So its simple all he has to do is make sure anytime anything good is mentioned about anyone he brings up all the others that helps that person, not just do it when it is about Wilson.

Again you have the right to no tread, not get involved. but my point stands and is valid.

And I have every right to comment or get involved. The things that get you all spun up are hilarious. Some things never change....you were just as whiny back at the PI....

Ironfist wrote:And I have every right to comment or get involved. The things that get you all spun up are hilarious. Some things never change....you were just as whiny back at the PI....

You do have every right, and I have every right to say what I want, especially when I am right. As to Whiny you should look in the mirror. It also amazes me how you and other cannot have a conversation without getting personal. I did not call anyone Whiny, I did not say they hated Wilson, or anything like that but you and other sure have no problem with it. All I said Is he only brings up these other players when it is Wilson getting the award or talk. Not when it is anyone else. That is not whinny it is stating a fact, that makes one wonder why? You and he would have done better to not start name calling, it makes what you post worthless. This all could have been handled with a simple, good point I was not aware I was doing it to only Wilson. Thanks Or even just a good point but know he got testy, tried to say I said something I did not say, then started the name calling and you followed suite.

In the end it does not change this post was made about Wilson winning NFC OPW, there was no need to add in thanks to other players, it was not about them, we all know it takes others. Now that said fine you want to remind us great do it with every thread about players or parts of teams doing well, but that is not done, he only does it to Wilson.

Anthony wrote:In the end it does not change this post was made about Wilson winning NFC OPW, there was no need to add in thanks to other players, it was not about them, we all know it takes others. Now that said fine you want to remind us great do it with every thread about players or parts of teams doing well, but that is not done, he only does it to Wilson.

Anthony, if according to you I am not allowed to comment about the contributions made by the OL or WR's in a thread about Wilson, don't expect me to comment about other contributing teammates in threads about Sherman, Thomas, Lynch, et al.

Que es? What's the issue here? How did this thread turn into all of this stuff?? With everything, that is on the line, and all that can be accomplished, this is what we do? I simply don't understand. There is plenty of good vibes to go around, why sully it with this stuff. Wilson played fantastically, and he would be the first to acknowledge he couldn't do it without the other guys around him. The ENTIRE team shares in awards like this, the players get it, why can't we?

Wilson deserves his props, but so does Willlllllllson , the O-line, angry Doug, and I simply don't remember anyone, ever really staying "on topic" all the time on threads, how many times has a thread about Wilson turned into a debate about the O-line ( for that matter, how many times has really ANY offensive thread tnot turned into that?). They played well, which allowed Wilson to do what he did.

Anthony, if you are going to bash RD or anyone else for that, you have a REALLY short memory. You, I and everyone else on this board, drift all over the place ( which IMHO makes this board as close knit and comfortable as any board I have ever been on).

This board more closely resembles a chat with an aquaintence or freind at the local bar than that of a message board, if someone mentions someone you're not discussing during a conversation in that enviroment, do you get mad at them and tell them to " only discuss the original topic"? I doubt it.

I seriously doubt there isn't enough credit being given to Wilson to the point that a small board must give him more at this point.

Can't we all just get along?

If you read the thread from the top it's pretty funny how it veers off course.
I think if someone brings this forward during TC, we might have a good laugh.

RiverDog wrote:

Anthony, if according to you I am not allowed to comment about the contributions made by the OL or WR's in a thread about Wilson, don't expect me to comment about other contributing teammates in threads about Sherman, Thomas, Lynch, et al.

No what I am saying is if you are going to take time in a thread about Wilson to give credit to others, then do it in all threads about players who win awards,. Point in case the one about Lynch wining ground player. You posted but did not say anything about other getting credit just that Lynch had a upset stomach., Why no do it their too? You only do it with Wilson threads, that is my point. A point you have proven is right yet again.

NorthHawk wrote:If you read the thread from the top it's pretty funny how it veers off course.
I think if someone brings this forward during TC, we might have a good laugh.

It veered off because in a thread about Wilson someone decided to make it about other players. The issue is not bringing up those other players but that he only does it to Wilson threads.

Anthony wrote:

It veered off because in a thread about Wilson someone decided to make it about other players. The issue is not bringing up those other players but that he only does it to Wilson threads.

You have to see the irony here, right. You are the one who veered this thread off topic. If you just wouldn't have said anything about RD's seemingly innocent comment the thread would have continued as you had originally intended, but now it is way more off course than it was with RD's comment (which really wasn't off topic, IMO).

mykc14 wrote:
You have to see the irony here, right. You are the one who veered this thread off topic. If you just wouldn't have said anything about RD's seemingly innocent comment the thread would have continued as you had originally intended, but now it is way more off course than it was with RD's comment (which really wasn't off topic, IMO).

I disagree his post said nothing about Wilson so it was off topic. If he had said yes Wilson had a great game and these helped, yeah maybe. However then the reality is he only does it to Wilson threads. So no I did not take it off topic he did.

Anthony wrote:No what I am saying is if you are going to take time in a thread about Wilson to give credit to others, then do it in all threads about players who win awards,. Point in case the one about Lynch wining ground player. You posted but did not say anything about other getting credit just that Lynch had a upset stomach., Why no do it their too? You only do it with Wilson threads, that is my point. A point you have proven is right yet again.

You just got through chastising me for going off topic in the Wilson thread and now you want me to do the same in the Lynch thread? Can't you see the hypocrisy in what you are saying?

You can't have it both ways. Either we talk about nothing but the person or subject named in the OP in all threads or you back off your principle of strict adherence to staying on topic. Period.

My last word. Arguing with you about something this stupid gives you and the content of this thread credibility that is not deserved. Mak or yoder, please put this moronic thread out of its misery and shoot it in the butt. We just won HFA, for crying out loud! There has to be something better to talk about than argue over something like this.

RiverDog wrote:
You just got through chastising me for going off topic in the Wilson thread and now you want me to do the same in the Lynch thread? Can't you see the hypocrisy in what you are saying?

You can't have it both ways. Either we talk about nothing but the person or subject named in the OP in all threads or you back off your principle of strict adherence to staying on topic. Period.

My last word. Arguing with you about something this stupid gives you and the content of this thread credibility that is not deserved. Mak or yoder, please put this moronic thread out of its misery and shoot it in the butt. We just won HFA, for crying out loud! There has to be something better to talk about than argue over something like this.

Hmm thanks for admitting you got off topic. now we can back to our regular postings.

this thread got ugly!
Touchdown Seahawks

PasadenaHawk wrote:this thread got ugly!
Touchdown Seahawks

Not really Just a heated difference of opinion. I actually like and have a great deal of respect for River. We are just 2 very strong willed, opinionated, and heated fans. We actually agree on far more than we disagree on.