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Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas and Bobby Wagner first team and Kam and Beast are second team. Evidently Bennett just missed the cut.

Pretty good timing for Wagner as it comes just as he's looking to renegotiate his contract.

The thing that makes this so funny to me is people will continue to try and say Sherman is overrated. Then you go find players who've made first team all-pro for 3 straight years. Pretty much all in the HOF.

kalibane wrote:The thing that makes this so funny to me is people will continue to try and say Sherman is overrated. Then you go find players who've made first team all-pro for 3 straight years. Pretty much all in the HOF.

Oh he's already a lock.

These post season awards are in a large part popularity contests.
Here's part of a comment from PFT:

"Members of the media should also be willing to stand by their votes and subject themselves to scrutiny if their votes raise questions. And, frankly, a lot of the votes on the All-Pro team are questionable at best, and just plain wrong at worst. For instance:
Who was the one voter who did not vote Pittsburgh’s Antonio Brown an All-Pro wide receiver?
Who was the one voter who chose not to place a punter on the All-Pro team?
Who was the one voter who chose to vote for Marshawn Lynch as a fullback, instead of a running back?
Who were the two voters who chose Evan Mathis as an All-Pro guard even though he was injured and missed half the season?
Who voted Seattle’s James Carpenter, a mediocre guard, an All-Pro?
Who voted for Clay Matthews as an All-Pro inside linebacker when he mostly plays outside linebacker?
Did the 13 voters who chose Elvis Dumervil as an All-Pro outside linebacker even know that Dumervil is nothing more than a situational pass rusher, or did they just vote for him because he had a lot of sacks?"

With these questionable votes, how much can it really mean?

Of course name recognition has something to do with it, as well as stats, that said "all pro" certainly has ten times the validity of a "pro bowl" and not a single Hawk IMHO does not belong as an all pro that was named to the team. You of course are going to have outliers, Mathews did indeed play MLB for a stretch of games, Carpenter as much as we the Hawks fans continue to insist how bad he is, isn't when compared to other guards in the league, it isn't an exact science, and there are those left off the list every season that belong ( ask Wagner if he belonged last season, he most certainly did) just the way it works.

Sherman does belong, as does Kam, and Earl, and Marshawn, a strong case could be made for Wilson as well, but won't be, and that is fine. Gone are the days of complaining about others that don't deserve the recognition getting it based on what team they happen to suit up for, because that is now OUR team, and I'm happy as a clam letting others bemoan the selections in this, and every other award situation. The Hawks are "the" team, and personally I love it, and am not looking for it to change or become "fair" after years of not being so.

It's laughable that Marshawn is on 2nd team, finishing 37 votes behind Bell from Pittsburgh to boot.

What a joke.

At least Kam was closer, though he should be 1st team as well.

Congrats to Sherman, ET and Wagner.

This isn't the real world, this is a fan forum! It counts!!

In the 'real world' it also helps you get to the Hall of Fame. Those awards, especially that one from the AP, do matter.

"It's laughable that Marshawn is on 2nd team, finishing 37 votes behind Bell from Pittsburgh to boot. What a joke." Zorn

When not familiar with a team, like say Danny O'Neil would be of the Hawks, most people (media and fans alike) look at a players stats. When you do that, you see that Leveon Bell had a tremendous year and really is most deserving of his spot on this list. Nobody runs like Beast Mode and means what he means to the team, but Pittsburgh's Bell had more touches, more catches (854 yards for him versus 376 for Beast Mode), more yards rushing and in total.... and had an ALL PRO year as did Murray. The argument to be made could be the # of total touchdowns for Marshawn are higher (17 to 12). Other than that, it would be based on importance to the team and how does one measure that? In wins? In yardage? In imagining if he were not there what it would be like? I don't even think Marshawn would argue with the two who made first team this year.

And if we did start splitting hairs, Bobby is deserving but he missed a lot of playing time which could irritate other fan bases. Like David had 40 more tackles etc... Russell will never make the all pro team so long as this is the way the Hawks choose to play. Run, run, pass, run, pass, run, run, screen, pass, run, run.....Solid D Tony Romo had damn near 70% completion percentage and almost 20 points higher quarter back rating AND his team won. I have no major beef with who made it though I see there is room for improvement.

Wilson would have been 2nd team last year if people actually voted for 2nd team. Manning was just unanimous so no 2nd team QB.

I agree about Bell. They got the first team correct. Murray owned the first half the season and Bell owned the 2nd half. You can't make an objective argument that Lynch is more important than Bell (especially after how Pittsburgh fell apart against the Ravens this weekend even though the Ravens' secondary is terrible) or Murray were to their teams and Bell and Murray's stats were better.

You say that with authority, Kal. Did Wilson come in second in votes for the All-Pro team last year? I did not remember that and if that is so, I amend my statement above. It just feels like QBs with his stat-line get respect, but not All-Pro talk......Drew Brees and his 5,200 yards or Rivers with his gaudy #s last year seem like more of a media choice. I'd be glad to be wrong.

Wilson just wins regardless of his lack of recognition. I assure you defensive coordinators know how much trouble he poses.

I recently read an article that ranked RW 7th among playoff QBs. But the first sentence says he may be the"best football player" of all the QB s. Huh? I thought thats what it was, playing football.He is faulted for bolting under pressure and not staying in the pocket. Apparently nobody writing has seen his line or really seen him play.
Oh well I think he better than Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Romo, Luck etc when its all on the line because he can win more ways than any of them. And he has the hardware and NFL records to prove it.Ill gladly take the Lombardi and let others win MVP and lead the league in passing yards and passing TD's.

Keep dissing him its just fuel on the fire.

c_hawkbob wrote:Oh he's (Sherman) already a lock.

If Sherman is a lock, then Kenny Easley, with his 4 All Pro and 5 Pro Bowl selections, should have been in there years ago.

Perhaps saying that Sherman is a good bet to make the HOF would be more appropriate way of describing his chances rather than saying he's a 'lock'?

Who cares? Lighten up already.

That was said just a little tongue in cheek, and I do believe eventually Kenny will be in the Hall.

Is that acceptable?

c_hawkbob wrote:Who cares? Lighten up already.

That was said just a little tongue in cheek, and I do believe eventually Kenny will be in the Hall.

Is that acceptable?

Sorry, I couldn't tell.

I don't think Kenny will ever make it. Not many players in the Hall with less than 10 years. But he arguably the best DB in his era.

Easley's problem is the short and checkered history of the Seahawks. Terrell Davis candidacy is really starting to pick up steam (as it should IMO) the difference is Davis was the centerpiece of two superbowl championship teams and thus squarely in the national spotlight. There are, sadly, many people who barely know who Kenny Easley is and who would act like it was sacrilege to put him in the same sentence as Ronnie Lott even though Easley's peak was arguably higher than Lott's.

Tez got in after playing on perhaps the worst Seahawks teams ever so there wasn't much national spotlight, then so maybe there is still hope.
I think the difference with Easley is being overshadowed by Lott and the other DBs of that era on better teams while Tez made some individual achievements that were uncommon for an interior lineman of the day.

Yes but Tez didn't have a short career working against him, which is a factor. Also Tez had Mike Sando beating the drum hard for him for like 5 years. It really helped to have someone inside that room who was truly passionate about getting that guy elected. I'm not sure Easley has anyone taking up his case the way Sando took up the case for Tez. I think Easley still has a chance but it's not a great one considering how long he's been waiting. Even the long time HOF voters aren't as familiar with Easley as they should be and the younger ones have no frame of reference. I'm starting to think the veteran's committee will be his best shot.

They will be the ones who can really appreciate the impact Easley had.

They will be the ones who can really appreciate the impact Easley had.

And if you think he was good on the field, you should have seen him on the ping-pong table. Never saw him lose a game in 3 summers of training camp.

kalibane wrote:Easley's problem is the short and checkered history of the Seahawks. Terrell Davis candidacy is really starting to pick up steam (as it should IMO) the difference is Davis was the centerpiece of two superbowl championship teams and thus squarely in the national spotlight. There are, sadly, many people who barely know who Kenny Easley is and who would act like it was sacrilege to put him in the same sentence as Ronnie Lott even though Easley's peak was arguably higher than Lott's.

I've heard quarterbacks say that when they broke the huddle that the first thing they looked at was where Easley was going to line up. That reminded me of hearing Jimmy Brown say that the only player he ever looked to see where he was lining up was Sam Huff. I never heard quarterbacks or DC's say that about Lott and it shows the kind of respect teams had for Easley and an indication that they tried to avoid him or game plan around him. So you don't have to twist my arm to get me to jump on the Easley for HOF bandwagon. I've been a charter member for a good 20 years. I was simply stating a fact, that his short career is probably going to keep him out.