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Wilson after yesterdays game has taken over the top Quarback rating in NFL Playoff history ( 109.4) and became the highest winning percentage QB in December and January ( edging out Brady, Staubauch, Theisman etc) with an .833 winning percentage.

Dude is doing some special stuff, be nice when certain slow to the party folks catch up and realise how amazing this three year run has been.

2 guys who beat him in the Pro Bowl balloting are watching on TV now. Hopefully all of them will be in 3 weeks. RW just wins and keeps on winnning.

HumanCockroach wrote:Wilson after yesterdays game has taken over the top Quarback rating in NFL Playoff history ( 109.4) and became the highest winning percentage QB in December and January ( edging out Brady, Staubauch, Theisman etc) with an .833 winning percentage.

Dude is doing some special stuff, be nice when certain slow to the party folks catch up and realise how amazing this three year run has been.

Yeah great, but did he pass the "eye test"? I think not!
I mean sure, he made tons of throws, including throwing two touchdowns from the pocket on third and long, but is he a "pocket passer"?
Bah! He's too short to be a pocket passer, and the Seahawks have short changed his maturation process by not forcing him to be uncomfortable standing in the pocket like a deer looking into headlights, ala Colin Kaepernick and the Niners.

Sure I know that the Panthers held Lynch to under 60 yards, and so Wilson had to "carry the team" without a running game, but can he "carry the team" without a running game?
Obviously we know the answer is no, because he's too short to stay in the pocket and do that.
Until he can carry the team without a running game, and make big throws from the pocket he'll never be considered an elite quarterback!

Seriously though, Wilson is the most dangerous offensive player still left in the playoffs. Fact.

Hawktawk wrote:2 guys who beat him in the Pro Bowl balloting are watching on TV now. Hopefully all of them will be in 3 weeks. RW just wins and keeps on winnning.

He actually turns it up for the playoffs too, he gets even better in big games.
Russell Wilson is simply A-MAZ-ING!

I know, but it certainly is hard to explain to those that aren't paying attention. They base judgements strictly on their ESPN highlight shows and think that is some sort of full display of what a player brings to the table. Eventually they are going to have to acknowledge it, but to date, you get absolute false statements ( I promise you there are fans and media members alike that insist that Luck outplayed Wilson drastically this weekend, even though that is factually, accurately, and eye ball test ie... Stupid and dumb, because they won't show the HORRIBLE decisions to throw picks, they won't show the 90% of dump passes and WR screens and 5 yard slants, they WILL however show his 4 good passes a gozillion times, and they WILL talk about his yardage like 325 on 45 passes is unbelievable, the will NOT discuss that he averaged less than 5 yards a pass etc)...

Wilson, NOT Brady ( I mean Wilson has thrown for more yards in a playoff game than Brady EVER has in 20+ of them) NOT Rodgers, NOT Brees NOT Elway, Montana,Young,Manning etc, NONE of them have been as efficient as Wilson, NONE.

What more can the guy do??

That said, I have seen a few media guys starting to chastise themselves for their own stupidity and blindness in regards to this QB, another fantastic two game stretch should solidify that, especially with both Young guys on the same field ( if it should happen) with one continuing his mental issue turnovers, and the other dropping another 300/100 game... ( hopefully . )

My bad Luck threw for 265 on 43 passes with 2 TD's and 2 Int's .... Pretty mediocre ( by the way, Manning once again under 250 yards passing)

The ugly part is there were 3 drops in the game Wilson could have had 300 yards and an even higher QB rating.

HumanCockroach wrote:My bad Luck threw for 265 on 43 passes with 2 TD's and 2 Int's .... Pretty mediocre ( by the way, Manning once again under 250 yards passing)

Manning is done. I think he knows that. To try to play another year would diminish his legacy even further. Those 9 first round exits will always be a huge asterisk anyway. So far Wilson is 3-0 in those games.

And I agree with Luck's detractors more than ever after seeing him play an entire game yesterday. He's an average QB. The announcers were lathering over his prowess, completely poo-pooing the 2 ridiculous interceptions as being "as good as a 40 yard punt". I hope he makes the SB vs. RW which will clearly demonstrate the chasm in ability and poise.

If this is going to be the new NFL QB rivalry I like our chances.

Hoping Luck makes the Super Bowl in only his 3rd year will not get the national media off his jock. The story line will be the Seahawks D if we win.....RW and his 100+ passer rating "managed" the win. Keep saying it. Keep it up!

I actually wanna see Wilson dispatch Tom Brady a year after putting Peyton Manning out to pasture. It'll play better in an historic sense. (It doesn't hurt that he get's to put another notch on the Rogers ledger on the way either ...)

There will be plenty of opportunities down the road for the Wilson/Luck legacy to grow. Seeing him take out Manning and Brady while they're still relevant just feels too right.

c_hawkbob wrote:I actually wanna see Wilson dispatch Tom Brady a year after putting Peyton Manning out to pasture. It'll play better in an historic sense. (It doesn't hurt that he get's to put another notch on the Rogers ledger on the way either ...)

There will be plenty of opportunities down the road for the Wilson/Luck legacy to grow. Seeing him take out Manning and Brady while they're still relevant just feels too right.

My exact thought as well.

Personally I could care less who Wilson outplays in that game, so long as Seattle is in the game, and wins it, I don't have a inkling as to who is the "best" for him to beat, just thought if he thouroughly outplayed Luck it might shut up certain idiots in the media ( and more personal locations) that continue to insist Wilson doesn't carry his team, or isn't an elite QB or any number of idiotic, stupid biased rants they seem so hell bent on insisting. That's all.

We know Wilson has outperformed Luck in numerous areas across the board ( and other "elite" QB's as well) some have eye issues, and doing so on the same field, in the biggest game *might* shut them up for a time being...

HumanCockroach wrote:Personally I could care less who Wilson outplays in that game, so long as Seattle is in the game, and wins it, I don't have a inkling as to who is the "best" for him to beat, just thought if he thouroughly outplayed Luck it might shut up certain idiots in the media ( and more personal locations) that continue to insist Wilson doesn't carry his team, or isn't an elite QB or any number of idiotic, stupid biased rants they seem so hell bent on insisting. That's all.

We know Wilson has outperformed Luck in numerous areas across the board ( and other "elite" QB's as well) some have eye issues, and doing so on the same field, in the biggest game *might* shut them up for a time being...

Hmm as usual Future is no were to be found after thoroughly being shown to be the moron he is.

c_hawkbob wrote:I actually wanna see Wilson dispatch Tom Brady a year after putting Peyton Manning out to pasture. It'll play better in an historic sense. (It doesn't hurt that he get's to put another notch on the Rogers ledger on the way either ...)

There will be plenty of opportunities down the road for the Wilson/Luck legacy to grow. Seeing him take out Manning and Brady while they're still relevant just feels too right.

I feel the exact same.
There's also the whole, the Pats dynasty passing the baton to the new dynasty.

It really is insane what Wilson is doing. The guy elevates his already outstanding play for the playoffs.
Check out these amazing numbers at the end of this informative article.
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2015/1/13/7532117/seahawks-advanced-stats-panthers-packers

HumanCockroach wrote:Wilson after yesterdays game has taken over the top Quarback rating in NFL Playoff history ( 109.4) and became the highest winning percentage QB in December and January ( edging out Brady, Staubauch, Theisman etc) with an .833 winning percentage.

Dude is doing some special stuff, be nice when certain slow to the party folks catch up and realise how amazing this three year run has been.

I could care less about his stats or individual records. They mean next to nothing to me. The man is playing lights out. He's at the top of his game, is fun to watch, is a good guy and great role model, and most important of all, he wins football games.

Interesting out take is the scoring of "SPARQ" for the athletes coming out of college. So now we know the Seahawks secret in the draft...

js

jshawaii22 wrote:Interesting out take is the scoring of "SPARQ" for the athletes coming out of college. So now we know the Seahawks secret in the draft...

js

Field Gulls has been talking about that for a couple of years actually.

HumanCockroach wrote:I know, but it certainly is hard to explain to those that aren't paying attention. They base judgements strictly on their ESPN highlight shows and think that is some sort of full display of what a player brings to the table. Eventually they are going to have to acknowledge it, but to date, you get absolute false statements ( I promise you there are fans and media members alike that insist that Luck outplayed Wilson drastically this weekend, even though that is factually, accurately, and eye ball test ie... Stupid and dumb, because they won't show the HORRIBLE decisions to throw picks, they won't show the 90% of dump passes and WR screens and 5 yard slants, they WILL however show his 4 good passes a gozillion times, and they WILL talk about his yardage like 325 on 45 passes is unbelievable, the will NOT discuss that he averaged less than 5 yards a pass etc)...

Wilson, NOT Brady ( I mean Wilson has thrown for more yards in a playoff game than Brady EVER has in 20+ of them) NOT Rodgers, NOT Brees NOT Elway, Montana,Young,Manning etc, NONE of them have been as efficient as Wilson, NONE.

What more can the guy do??

That said, I have seen a few media guys starting to chastise themselves for their own stupidity and blindness in regards to this QB, another fantastic two game stretch should solidify that, especially with both Young guys on the same field ( if it should happen) with one continuing his mental issue turnovers, and the other dropping another 300/100 game... ( hopefully . )

Hahahahaha. I literly laughed out loud when I read this. Did you watch Aaron Rdgers on one leg? Note how he still throws 20 yd darts from the pocket, 3 TDs 300+ yds with no legs. That's what a pocket QB can do. Russell Wilson could never get by without his legs. Not now at least.

To me, he's Alex Smith with more athleticism. Russell is setting the standard and Alex Smith is right behind him. Alex has what, 11 tds O ints in the playoffs, and has also thrown for more yds in a single game than Tom Brady!

At some point people are going to have to acknowledge Alex Smith. They can pretend he's not doing tgis, that he doesn't pass the "eye test", but now they look like fools.

Thanks for the humor today. It was much needed.

Alex Smith, 108.6 career postseason rating. For those wondering about my post.

"Thanks for the humor today" says the dork that regularly beclowns himself with gems like these:

Did you watch Aaron Rdgers...?

LOL. Thanks, indeed.

Futureite wrote:
Hahahahaha. I literly laughed out loud when I read this. Did you watch Aaron Rdgers on one leg? Note how he still throws 20 yd darts from the pocket, 3 TDs 300+ yds with no legs. That's what a pocket QB can do. Russell Wilson could never get by without his legs. Not now at least.

To me, he's Alex Smith with more athleticism. Russell is setting the standard and Alex Smith is right behind him. Alex has what, 11 tds O ints in the playoffs, and has also thrown for more yds in a single game than Tom Brady!

At some point people are going to have to acknowledge Alex Smith. They can pretend he's not doing tgis, that he doesn't pass the "eye test", but now they look like fools.

Thanks for the humor today. It was much needed.

Did you have a point? Oh wait no you did not. To bad you were not watching the NFL network they were just talking about Wilson, how he can beat you from the pocket like a traditional QB but also with his legs, interestingly they said the same thing about your crush Luck, but they did say Wilson was the ultimate nightmare for a defense. So once again you remain wrong and a waste who is a liar since you said you would not come back if we did not want you, we don't but your back liar.

And for a little content for our resident dork:

Note how he still throws 20 yd darts from the pocket, 3 TDs 300+ yds with no legs. That's what a pocket QB can do.

Wrong, dipsht- that's what a first-ballot Hall-of-Famer with arguably one of the 2 or 3 best arms in history can do. It has absolutely *nothing* to do with where he can throw from, you idiot.

But please, keep telling us about "TEH EYE TESTS"- you sound smart.

burrrton wrote:And for a little content for our resident dork:



Wrong, dipsht- that's what a first-ballot Hall-of-Famer with arguably one of the 2 or 3 best arms in history can do. It has absolutely *nothing* to do with where he can throw from, you idiot.

But please, keep telling us about "TEH EYE TESTS"- you sound smart.

Not to mention if he really paid attention he would know Wilson has and can do the same thing. Not to mention its what a HOF QB with a top 15 pass blocking oline and a top 10 Wr corps can do, and yet Wilson can too.

Burrrton;

The type of throws Rodgers made has everything to do with evaluating a QB. Most pocket QBs do have big arms and they are capable of making a wide variety of throws with an extreme level of difficulty. Brady has that, Manning had it for most of his career, Rodgers has it, Luck has it, Ryan has it, Romo has it, even Kurt Warner had it with his big time deep dig throws, on and on. Then you have a much lower % of pocket QBs without the arm talent that beat you almost exclusively with their brain. Brees and Montana are/were lauded for sitting in a pocket and going through 2, 3 even 4 progressions. The number of QBs that fall into this category is so low that I honestly cannot think of any other than those two at the moment.

I understand your anger towards me, but you have to remember, you are the ones setting the bar of greatness. You keep talking about it, your own QB brings it up in every other interview "I want to be the greatest QB of all-time....I am made for these moments" so don't get upset when other people hold him to that standard. I have always recognized the things that Wilson does very well. His accuracy at times is incredible, and he appears to be peaking. But you keep calling me an idiot by claiming that he's doing things other great QBs do - and yet he does not.

He doesn't sit in a pocket and go through 3 or 4 progressions. That's not something you can just assume a QB is capable of doing. It is an elite skill that takes years to master, and it is the very thing that makes a QB elite. Siting stats don't, and I just proved that with Alex's Smith's 108.6 career postseason rating. I could name any number of QBs that had great win % and great QB ratings for their time when playing with a top 5 D and run game, and even won SBs (Phil Sims for example). And some of them were completely average QBs.

The premise of the thread is that Russell Wilson is setting the standard for QB play. That's laughable. What he has is a unique skill that I don't think the league has ever seen, and it gives D's fits. He sets that standard. His elusiveness and ability to keep plays alive is incredible. It probably accounts for at minimum 50-60% of his production, and that is being conservative. You cannot show me a QB that runs for almost 900 YDs and turn around and claim he's a great pocket passer. The NFL has never seen both of those combined in the same season. It's impossible. A great pocket passer is getting the ball out of his hands 95% of the time, period.

You can direct whatever you want towards me, but I am telling it like it is. The dude is an outstanding QB and looks to be getting even better. His accuracy is amazing right now. But the points I've made are valid and much like I use to get the Alex Smith hate from my folks when I challenged their constant stat quoting, I am not surprised I am getting it from you.

No, the premise of the thread is that Wilson is setting the standard in December and January with his play, both in Quarterback rating and winning percentage. He simply put is doing it better than anyone before ( to add to all the other things he has done that no one before has done). Eventually, even the absolutely clueless will catch on. When you have literally mounds of evidence, even the most dense, will eventually concede that the evidence outweighs their personal bias.

By your own admission in your thread, Wilson IS indeed elite ( the whole he is a nightmare for a defense, incredibly accurate bit) eventually you'll be able to say it, until then, who cares. You are saying it, your just not able to use the words yet.

HumanCockroach wrote:http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXleadersXXpass_rating_career_playoffs.htm

I am SO glad to see Hass above Rapistburger on that list!

Futureite wrote:Burrrton;

The type of throws Rodgers made has everything to do with evaluating a QB. Most pocket QBs do have big arms and they are capable of making a wide variety of throws with an extreme level of difficulty. Brady has that, Manning had it for most of his career, Rodgers has it, Luck has it, Ryan has it, Romo has it, even Kurt Warner had it with his big time deep dig throws, on and on. Then you have a much lower % of pocket QBs without the arm talent that beat you almost exclusively with their brain. Brees and Montana are/were lauded for sitting in a pocket and going through 2, 3 even 4 progressions. The number of QBs that fall into this category is so low that I honestly cannot think of any other than those two at the moment.

I understand your anger towards me, but you have to remember, you are the ones setting the bar of greatness. You keep talking about it, your own QB brings it up in every other interview "I want to be the greatest QB of all-time....I am made for these moments" so don't get upset when other people hold him to that standard. I have always recognized the things that Wilson does very well. His accuracy at times is incredible, and he appears to be peaking. But you keep calling me an idiot by claiming that he's doing things other great QBs do - and yet he does not.

He doesn't sit in a pocket and go through 3 or 4 progressions. That's not something you can just assume a QB is capable of doing. It is an elite skill that takes years to master, and it is the very thing that makes a QB elite. Siting stats don't, and I just proved that with Alex's Smith's 108.6 career postseason rating. I could name any number of QBs that had great win % and great QB ratings for their time when playing with a top 5 D and run game, and even won SBs (Phil Sims for example). And some of them were completely average QBs.

The premise of the thread is that Russell Wilson is setting the standard for QB play. That's laughable. What he has is a unique skill that I don't think the league has ever seen, and it gives D's fits. He sets that standard. His elusiveness and ability to keep plays alive is incredible. It probably accounts for at minimum 50-60% of his production, and that is being conservative. You cannot show me a QB that runs for almost 900 YDs and turn around and claim he's a great pocket passer. The NFL has never seen both of those combined in the same season. It's impossible. A great pocket passer is getting the ball out of his hands 95% of the time, period.

You can direct whatever you want towards me, but I am telling it like it is. The dude is an outstanding QB and looks to be getting even better. His accuracy is amazing right now. But the points I've made are valid and much like I use to get the Alex Smith hate from my folks when I challenged their constant stat quoting, I am not surprised I am getting it from you.

The points you have made a not valid at all, in fact most of what you say are lies. Just because you say he cannot be a great pocket passer and run for 900 yards does not mean it is not true. Kurt warner just said he is a great pocket passer, the fact and stats show he is a great pocket passer. It so happens he can also run for 900 yards. Whats laughable is your ignorant stance given the facts and stats show you wrong. FYI sorry to tell you but less than 23% of his passing production came from outside the pocket, and well under 40% came from outside the pocket and rushing. Helps to know the facts. So sorry it is possible and you are seeing it, deal with it, the facts and stats prove it, and prove you are wrong.

Most pocket QBs do have big arms

RW: check.

they are capable of making a wide variety of throws with an extreme level of difficulty.

RW: check.

Then you have a much lower % of pocket QBs without the arm talent that beat you almost exclusively with their brain.

No, dumbass- then you have guys who do it *instead* with their brains... and you have a guy here who does it ALSO with his brain.

Future, just shut up now. You've admitted you have an agenda and you now sound stupid. RW has proven his ability to anybody who's willing to see it, and you've shown you're not one of those people. STFU and either leave or stick to topics about which you know something.

I have always recognized the things that Wilson does very well.

Yeah, tell us all about it, Captain EyeTest.

You can direct whatever you want towards me, but I am telling it like it is.

No, you're making an ass of yourself and talking about eye tests. Get lost.

I am not surprised I am getting it from you.

I've never claimed RW is the second coming- I merely go where the evidence takes me.

You rely on EYE TESTS.

Get lost.

HumanCockroach wrote:No, the premise of the thread is that Wilson is setting the standard in December and January with his play, both in Quarterback rating and winning percentage. He simply put is doing it better than anyone before ( to add to all the other things he has done that no one before has done). Eventually, even the absolutely clueless will catch on. When you have literally mounds of evidence, even the most dense, will eventually concede that the evidence outweighs their personal bias.

By your own admission in your thread, Wilson IS indeed elite ( the whole he is a nightmare for a defense, incredibly accurate bit) eventually you'll be able to say it, until then, who cares. You are saying it, your just not able to use the words yet.

OK, so at what point are you going to explain Alex Smith's 108.6 QB rating, just hairs behind Wilson? And his throwing for more yds in a playoff game at 378 than Brady, and if I am not mistaken, Wilson himself?

Answer, since you have mounds of evidence in front of you: Is Alex Smith an elite QB?

And I'd like to know the % of NFL QBs who have began their careers with the #1 Defense 3 straights years and a top 3 run game each of those years. As astute of a statistician as you are, you have to know that a QB's QB rating skyrockets when aided by both factors. That is not even debatable.

You wanna chide "eye tests" or whatever, but you posted for years here on how Alex Smith was a slight upgrade over Tarvaris Jackson, how he was a limited QB, etc, and yet he had a QB rating of 102.5 before he was benched. So none of you guys are really going to address this, because you know exactly what I knew even when he was playing for my team: That his QB rating was aided by his team. His team allowed him to play safe ball and avoid INTs (Wilson), by throwing high % passes (Wilson), and by cashing in short fields to throw TDs after his D created turnovers or flipped the field (Wilson X 2).

You know everything I posted above is true, and you're only arguing the opposing QB because your own QB is the beneficiary of some of the same things now. I know full well Wilson is a better QB than Alex. But by your own standards he is not much better.

Answer, since you have mounds of evidence in front of you: Is Alex Smith an elite QB?

"OMFG MICHAEL VICK RAN FOR A THOUSAND YARDS IN A SEASON SO IS HEEEEEEEEE ELEEETS TOO?!?" -Futureite

You know the answer to this stupid question, but apparently you think you're talking to 4th-graders and are fooling everyone:

Nobody is pointing to one stat here and another stat there in which RW has outplayed/outperformed others- we're using our effing brains, not relying on emotions like you, and looking at the big picture, which shows RW outperforming virtually everyone on any measure you can point to.

"BUT I KNOW A MEDIOCRE QB WHO HAS A GOOD NUMBER ON X!" or "ALSO I KNOW A DIFFERENT MILQUETOAST QB WHO DID WELL DOING Y!" isn't the extent of what anyone is arguing for Russell.

But you knew that, didn't you, Future?

Get lost. You're a fcking hack troll who's been reduced to "BUT HIS DEFENSE GAVE HIM THAT 150 RATING SERIOUSLY YOU GUYS." Go argue on espn.com where you might rally a few other 8yo dumbasses around you.

You wanna chide "eye tests" or whatever

Aw, Captain Eye Test is upset someone is making fun of him.

Futureite wrote:
OK, so at what point are you going to explain Alex Smith's 108.6 QB rating, just hairs behind Wilson? And his throwing for more yds in a playoff game at 378 than Brady, and if I am not mistaken, Wilson himself?

Answer, since you have mounds of evidence in front of you: Is Alex Smith an elite QB?

And I'd like to know the % of NFL QBs who have began their careers with the #1 Defense 3 straights years and a top 3 run game each of those years. As astute of a statistician as you are, you have to know that a QB's QB rating skyrockets when aided by both factors. That is not even debatable.

You wanna chide "eye tests" or whatever, but you posted for years here on how Alex Smith was a slight upgrade over Tarvaris Jackson, how he was a limited QB, etc, and yet he had a QB rating of 102.5 before he was benched. So none of you guys are really going to address this, because you know exactly what I knew even when he was playing for my team: That his QB rating was aided by his team. His team allowed him to play safe ball and avoid INTs (Wilson), by throwing high % passes (Wilson), and by cashing in short fields to throw TDs after his D created turnovers or flipped the field (Wilson X 2).

You know everything I posted above is true, and you're only arguing the opposing QB because your own QB is the beneficiary of some of the same things now. I know full well Wilson is a better QB than Alex. But by your own standards he is not much better.

Ahh but you see captain moron were are not just pointing to one game, we are talking about multiple games, career numbers, records, wins, awards. You really are stupid, Wilson is an elite QB Fact deal with it, better yet keep your word and leave.

First, I propose that we refer to Futurite from this moment on, SOLELY as "Captain Eye Test".

Second, read this and shut your cakehole about Wilson not being a pocket passer.
http://www.fieldgulls.com/seahawks-analysis/2015/1/14/7543861/seahawks-packers-russell-wilson-pete-carroll

The numbers CLEARLY show that yes, he does take sacks and or throw the ball away often when he extends plays, which he does do quite often, (though he also makes HUGE plays doing this!) but it also shows that when he throws quickly he is FREAKING UN-BE-LEIVABLE!!!

Yes, he does like to extend plays and run around like a chicken with his head cut off at times. Yes doing that lowers his completion percentage, and increases his sacks (dramatically) and throwaways.
It ALSO allows him to run for important first downs and make HUGE, backbreaking plays down field, the kind that Pete Carroll and Darrell Bevell loves so much and has designed the offense to do.
That does not mean he is incapable of throwing quickly or throwing from within the pocket, he does both OFTEN, and with AWESOME results!

Wilson is flat out ELITE, by any statistical measure.
That's a FACT, an undeniable, irrefutable FACT.
He is the very definition of a dual threat QB, because first and foremost, he is a VERY capable pocket QB, as proven by irrefutable statistics.

The problem with Russell is he just wins. A good game for him is 250 yards passing 80 yards rushing, and 3 td's, he doesn't shine when you compare the stats to Brady, Manning, or Rogers, but he is elite. How many rings will it take for him to make All Pro??!!

obiken wrote:The problem with Russell is he just wins. A good game for him is 250 yards passing 80 yards rushing, and 3 td's, he doesn't shine when you compare the stats to Brady, Manning, or Rogers, but he is elite. How many rings will it take for him to make All Pro??!!

Yea, that's one of the reasons why I don't like engaging in these pissing contests over stat lines or comparisons to other quarterbacks, current and past. As a few have noted, Russell has a unique skill set that we haven't seen in a long time if at all, plus he plays on a team that is not asking him to perform conventional quarterbacking tasks at the same frequency as other quarterbacks. Typical yardsticks simply don't apply to him.

Besides, I have my own eye test, and one of them is the difficulty in developing a game plan to shut him down, and that's where the stats don't do him justice and makes comparing him with a quarterback like Alex Smith laughable. If you took a poll of defensive coordinators and asked them which quarterback was easier to game plan against, Alex Smith or Russell Wilson, is there any doubt who the vast majority would vote for?

I'd also like to point out that my defense of RW isn't predictive in nature- I'm not trying to debate what he *will* be, which we could go back and forth on until we're blue in the balls.

I'm merely stating what the evidence shows, and that is that Russell has been somewhere between "very good" and "legendary" in virtually every measure of a QB there is outside of raw yardage.

Oh, and Captain Eye Test's hair color analysis or whatever his eyes found lacking this week.

Answer, since you have mounds of evidence in front of you: Is Alex Smith an elite QB?

Show me the "mounds" of evidence. There isn't mounds of evidence for Smith is there? He hasn't QUALIFIED to be listed, because he hasn't met the MINIMUM to even be considered, get back to me when you have more evidence than a 1-2 record in the post season, and numerous NFL records on Smith's ledger, until then, your grasping, and you should know it, even if you refuse to acknowledge it.

Why argue with this clown on this topic unless it's to ridicule him? He seriously just tried to compare Wilson to a guy who can't throw outside the numbers and just went the entire season without throwing a single TD pass to a WR. Either he's gone full troll or he's suffered such a breakdown over the Seahawks "winning" the short lived rivalry with his favorite team that it's manifesting in delusions that enable him to come to grips with reality.

I'm not sure which one is more pathetic considering we're talking about a grown man who's engaging in this behavior.

obiken wrote:The problem with Russell is he just wins. A good game for him is 250 yards passing 80 yards rushing, and 3 td's, he doesn't shine when you compare the stats to Brady, Manning, or Rogers, but he is elite. How many rings will it take for him to make All Pro??!!

330 yards of offense and 3 TD'S ( more than likely without a turnover) is a damn impressive day at the office, whether your name is Manning, Rodgers or Brady... People ( the less insightful ones at least) only pay attention to two stats, yardage and TD's, they're the same guys insisting that 350 yards passing with 3 TD's and 2 picks and a fumble on 55 passes is so much more impressive than 255 passing 3 TD's , no turnovers and 60 yards rushing on 24 passes. It's clueless and wrong, but it's what they do.

Same idiots that insist a guy like Tate never had a 1,000 yards receiving with only 5 targets a game, so he can't be a good, or starting caliber receiver, or that Sherman isn't a lock down corner, because he doesn't "follow" the number one receiver around the field. You can't help folks like that, because they simply aren't capable of recognizing and analysing things objectively, and factoring in ALL of the information. They are lazy in regards to looking at all factors. One reason I love advanced metrics ( because unlike tools that look only at one or two stats, the look at the whole enchilada).