Suh wants to come to Seattle.

[obiken]

Forgive me if someone already got this but the Bleacher report is saying Suh wants to come to Seattle. 10 years ago I would have jumped, now I say no. We don't need another cancer. We cant afford him anyway.

[RiverDog]

Someone did start a threat about this topic, but no biggie.

But I do want to contest your statement that Suh is a "cancer." There has been no indication that I am aware of that Suh is a bad teammate or disrupting influence ala T.O. or Percy Harvin. His issues have been primarily on field.

[obiken]

Ok, but too much money River.

[savvyman]

Suh would have to be willing to play for $6- $10 million less than what some other team would be willing to pay for his services. We do not have the market cap to pay him what other teams will offer. Same situation as Maxwell which is why we will lose him this off-season.

[NorthHawk]

They were able to work the Cap to afford Harvin, so I doubt it would be impossible even if it's unlikely.
Tradeoffs are made every year, so if they sign him, I'm sure it won't cause long term damage to the Cap.
One of the best things about our FO is they know how to use the Cap very well.

From a talent perspective, Suh in a rotation and being fresh all game and all season would be a huge advantage for our Defense.
He has the size to stuff the run and the power to collapse the pocket from the inside. Those types don't come around very often.

[HumanCockroach]

If Seattle could swing bringing Suh in, I am not entirely sure how much of a "rotation" could be retained. It would be Suh, and a bunch of either young players like Hill, or Suh on everydown. To sign Suh, the Seahawks would have to say goodbye to Mebane, McDaniel ( FA anyway) and Williams as a start, not the only guys they would have to say goodbye to ( Carp this year and Okung next more than likely) Maxwell etc. Honestly, I DO think they could pull it off, and still retain the majority of what they likely ,could retain anyway from their "core group" ( Wilson, Wagner, maybe even Irvin, depending on how they feel about him after next year etc) but unless Suh has his "issues" resolved AND understands it is NOT about any one players stats, I would say they pass....

It's possible Suh could forgo some money to return to his "home" and get away from perennial dissapointments in Detroit ( much like Avril) though I believe that might be a touch of a reach, would he take 15 million a year on that defense with a chance to compete every season for a title, or would he prefer 18 million a year to perennially lose on a team like Jacksonville or the Raiders, where the "prime" of his career will be spent waiting for the offense, or team to catch up??

Seattle is built to win right now, and for the next several years, while the others aren't. He could be that rare athlete that isn't about every cent, and understands that income on a perrenial SB contender is indeed supplemented with the types of endorsements a team like Jacksonville cannot offer.... Who knows? But the dude is a beast, and if it was a choice between Mebane ( a player I love) and Suh at this point in their respective careers, the choice is obvious.

[Steady_Hawk]

I can't even imagine what our Defense would look like with Suh up front. Actually having a player who at the very minimum would require a double team and still collapse the pocket would be insane. Not just that, but Avril and Bennett getting one on one situations would seriously increase our ability to get to the QB not to even mention what this would do to the LOB. I have always maintained that Suh is probably the most talented player on D who has never lived up to his potential. I'm not so sure Pete could wrangle him in after the Harvin fiasco, but the payoff could be immense. With the Rams and Arizona nipping at our heels, I would cut who I needed to and make this happen.

I love Mebane, but he could bring in some decent trade value (4th rounder possibly) and open up a nice chunk of cap space. The last time I can remember a player of Suh's caliber being available on the open market was Reggie White. Ask Holmgren how that worked out.

[savvyman]

If Seattle could swing bringing Suh in, I am not entirely sure how much of a "rotation" could be retained. It would be Suh, and a bunch of either young players like Hill, or Suh on everydown. To sign Suh, the Seahawks would have to say goodbye to Mebane, McDaniel ( FA anyway) and Williams as a start, not the only guys they would have to say goodbye to ( Carp this year and Okung next more than likely) Maxwell etc. Honestly, I DO think they could pull it off, and still retain the majority of what they likely ,could retain anyway from their "core group" ( Wilson, Wagner, maybe even Irvin, depending on how they feel about him after next year etc) but unless Suh has his "issues" resolved AND understands it is NOT about any one players stats, I would say they pass....

It's possible Suh could forgo some money to return to his "home" and get away from perennial dissapointments in Detroit ( much like Avril) though I believe that might be a touch of a reach, would he take 15 million a year on that defense with a chance to compete every season for a title, or would he prefer 18 million a year to perennially lose on a team like Jacksonville or the Raiders, where the "prime" of his career will be spent waiting for the offense, or team to catch up??

Seattle is built to win right now, and for the next several years, while the others aren't. He could be that rare athlete that isn't about every cent, and understands that income on a perrenial SB contender is indeed supplemented with the types of endorsements a team like Jacksonville cannot offer.... Who knows? But the dude is a beast, and if it was a choice between Mebane ( a player I love) and Suh at this point in their respective careers, the choice is obvious.

Thanks for expanding on the topic. Having to say goodbye to Mebane, Williams and Mcdaniel would give us around $9 - $10 million leaving us $6 - $10 million short of what he will likely receive form some other team.

Having all those extra millions of dollars can take the sting out of not participating in the Superbowl each year.

The Seahawks found out last year during free agency that the NFL Players will choose more money over a discounted contract amount but the opportunity to play for a superbowl nearly every time (with Michael Bennett being a major exception).

[obiken]

The problem is that last year we showed its easier and cheaper to bring pressure across a front than going for the single guy superman theory. I cant see paying Suh, a boatload of money just to lockdown the DT position. Sorry we do WR by committee we have also done DL by committee.

[HumanCockroach]

As with every position on the DL it has to do with what the staff feels value vs cost. Seattle has paid for the DL regularily, Clemmons, Avril, Bryant, Bennett and Mebane all received extremely healthy pay days, they haven't been doing the starters "by committee" on the cheap for a long time ( the exception being McDaniel, and Williams) for the most part that entire starting D-line is paid extremely well based on the rest of the league.

Suh wouldn't be the "only" guy to lock down anything, the young cheap guys Seattle has behind them are still there ( Dobbs, Hill etc), and I don't doubt they continue to look for players at those positions, the idea would be to replace the production in the passing game that was lost on the interior last offseason, while not losing the run stuffing ability they currently have. That is what makes Suh valuable, not saying the should sign him, just that his value is undeniable, and that the Seahawks haven't shied away from signing starters to nice contracts.

[c_hawkbob]

The problem is that last year we showed its easier and cheaper to bring pressure across a front than going for the single guy superman theory. I cant see paying Suh, a boatload of money just to lockdown the DT position. Sorry we do WR by committee we have also done DL by committee.

I don't know if we demonstrated that or it just what worked for us then. The same approach worked less well this year. Personally I'd be tickled pink to have another Tez caliber talent in the middle of our line.

[HumanCockroach]

The problem is that last year we showed its easier and cheaper to bring pressure across a front than going for the single guy superman theory. I cant see paying Suh, a boatload of money just to lockdown the DT position. Sorry we do WR by committee we have also done DL by committee.

The problem is they didn't bring pressure "across a front" Seattle couldn't pressure the middle, and it cost them quite a bit throughout the year, and drastically in the SB if you want to go back and rewatch the game...

There was a survey earlier in the year about which player lost would be the biggest loss, I said then it would be Clinton McDonald and his ability to pressure the QB up the middle, all season QB's were able to avoid the outside rush by stepping up in the pocket ( as Brady did multiple times in crucial moments).

I love Mebane, but he does not bring that, nor does McDaniel or Williams, Hill was injured and it isn't coincedence that the pass rush, turnovers and dominance coincided with him getting healthy, and pressuring up the middle ( which ended unfortunately due to another injury)... Suh most definitely provides that, and at a level that makes Hill or McDonald seem insignificant. Add in his ability to necessitate a double team, and having Bennett, Avril and Irvin on passing downs as well, removes targets from the field for the offense, AND creates one on ones across the board.

I love Mebane, but there is not a moments hesitation on my part saying he isn't in the realm of Suh right now...

[Hawktawk]

Between Mebane and Jordan Hill we will be fine. Suh is a jackass who will be suspended next time, especially if hes a Seahawk. No thanks.

[Zorn76]

Between Mebane and Jordan Hill we will be fine. Suh is a jackass who will be suspended next time, especially if hes a Seahawk. No thanks.

This is pretty much where I'm at.
The guy just can't help himself in the PF department, and he's due to serve a significant suspension the next time he does it.

And there will be a next time, because there always is.

When coupled with the fact that the Powerball lotto money it wold take to sign him could be better spent elsewhere, it's virtually a no brainer to pass on the guy.

[monkey]

Setting aside what my personal feelings about Suh are (not good BTW, I hate dirty players!), I have three thoughts about the possibility of adding him.
1. I believe that he would be an absolute MONSTER in our system with the guys around him that we have. He would DEFINITELY help this team.
2. His price tag will just not be worth it long term, though it would obviously be extremely tempting short term.
3. Jordan Hill and Cassius Marsh both have a chance at truly becoming SUPER stars. That's not hyperbole, or exaggeration, I am being quite serious. I think Hill is already on the verge of legit greatness. What he was able to do in a very short time, was nothing short of remarkable. I haven't seen quite enough of Marsh to say the same with as much confidence, but I do know that the front office is feeling VERY confident in what they saw from him.
Between Hill, Marsh, Mebane and Bennett, plus all the depth we have right now, we have more than enough firepower on our line and especially at DT.
I think DT is one of the positions on our team with the most strength.

So yeah, it would really be tempting to pay for Suh, because he is an outstanding football player, no matter how much I personally dislike him, but long term it would cost us too much in terms of depth, especially when we already have players who can approximate what Suh would bring.Between Hill, Mebane, Marsh and Bennett

[HumanCockroach]

I'm not saying those players as a whole can't provide success, simply that 1) none of those players can perform at the level Suh can and 2) of those listed ALL of them are coming off significant injuries ( with exception to Bennett who is not a DT, but a DE that slides in on passing downs for the most part)... I am NOT saying the Seahawks should dump 25 million dollars a year into Suh, but I AM acknowledging what a line consisting of Avril, Suh, Bennett and Marsh/ Irvin/ Hill could do to an offense on passing downs...

Bennett is amazingly productive when double teamed inside, can people imagine what he could do with Suh lined up next to him? NO double teams for an entire season, no Doubles on Avril on the outside, or Irvin. An Offense would either have to play a heavy set with no TE's being released into the passing game, or they would have to watch their QB get sacked repeatedly....

It's fantasy, and said so, but I'm not sure how anyone can pretend like Hill is just as good as Suh, or is even close to replicating pretty much anything Suh can do. The man can't even stay on the field at this point, until he can at least stay productive for 16 games, I'm not sure how anyone can come to that conclusion...

Suh is a dirty player ( at least IMO) and I'm not advocating signing him ( unless he is looking for a 1/5th of that number) I'm just imagining the success that front four could have, with the speed and activeness of the LB's behind them, and the talent behind that... Honestly, there isn't much that IMHO could be "improved" on that defense, but this is something that would actually do it.

[Agent 86]

I wonder if Suh is considering signing a cap friendly 1 year deal and then heading back to FA the following year to look for his big payday?

I have seen it done a couple times in hockey, with players signing for just the 1 year on a cup contender, and hoping to win a championship, and then cash in the following year (Marian Hossa did this a few years ago when he could have gotten a monster multi year contract...he still got one the following year)

Obviously, the injury risk is huge, but in order for him to sign here, I don't think there is another way?

A motivated Suh for 1 year would be OK in my books.

[monkey]

It's fantasy, and said so, but I'm not sure how anyone can pretend like Hill is just as good as Suh, or is even close to replicating pretty much anything Suh can do.

No, not pretending he's as good, but I do think that if he can get past the injury problems, he can quickly become an outstanding player. This season, for a brief time before his injury, and after Mebane's, he was our best pass rusher. He really was. That guy was BLOWING UP the middle of the offensive lines he was facing, he was on a roll! That's not pretending, it happened.

So yeah, I admit he's got a lot to prove, but what I've seen in an admittedly short sample, I REALLY was impressed with!
He's not Suh, but he's really talented, and under contract already, at a really good price, whereas Suh wouldn't come here for less than what would probably force the team into cutting Lynch.

Think about it, that is very likely the cost. Marshawn Lynch. I'm not saying that's entirely unreasonable either BTW, because Lynch is in his last season under contract, and he is difficult to deal with sometimes apparently, and he is getting up there in age, so it's not a no brainer, and I'm not suggesting it is...just saying, signing Suh would almost certainly mean cutting Lynch.
That's a REALLY steep price for guy, even for one of the leagues best defensive tackles, which Suh is. Just not sure Suh is worth that, when we already have defensive tackles under contract whose upside is very intriguing.
I wouldn't do it if I were GM.

[Hawktawk]

It's fantasy, and said so, but I'm not sure how anyone can pretend like Hill is just as good as Suh, or is even close to replicating pretty much anything Suh can do.

No, not pretending he's as good, but I do think that if he can get past the injury problems, he can quickly become an outstanding player. This season, for a brief time before his injury, and after Mebane's, he was our best pass rusher. He really was. That guy was BLOWING UP the middle of the offensive lines he was facing, he was on a roll! That's not pretending, it happened.

^^^^^W#hat he said.Suh had 8.5sacks playing every down.Wheres the beef? Hill had 5.5 sacks in a part time situational interior role. Don't forget he polished off the Rams with an interception as well. If we had that guy I think we would have the Lombardi and it would not have come down to the last play.
#1 NO FING WAY do I want to see that jack wagon in Seahawks blue. Let him get suspended elsewhere.
#2 I am truly excited to see Jordan Hill blossom in this defense and demonstrate high character doing it.

[Distant Relative]

Suh can want all he wants. This FO is very smart and won't put themselves behind the 8 ball and reach for this guy given his past.

Nice thread but I just don't see the Hawks reaching for this guy. They got to the Big game twice in a row without him and I wouldn't be shocked
if we make it three in a row without him.

[HumanCockroach]

Like I said, I'm not advocating signing Suh ( baring some obscenely low number) I am merely pointing out the truths as I see them. Hill has been injured three times in two seasons that has caused him to miss extended time ( and was drafted with serious injury concerns I believe as well) missing large chunks of time in both seasons, and ending the year on IR both seasons. Mebane is over thirty, coming off a torn hanstring, Williams is likely to retire, and even if he doesn't he never provided any pressure from the interior, McDaniels was signed as a stop gap, after Seattle let him walk, and he also provides no pressure up the middle. The only player on this team that provided that is Bennett, and he is not a DT ( Hill did indeed, but the "if" he can stay healthy thing is starting to seem like a pretty big if to me).

Being high on a young lineman is certainly fair, but the truth is, many were high on Scruggs as well, right now Seattles D-line is solid, dependable and has two excellent book ends, with a situational outside rusher in Irvin, but as far as interior pressure, there simply isn't much to hang a hat on, and it was a glaring weakness early in the season, and again in the SB.

I am not saying they should sign Suh, and hamstring the franchise for the next five years, I am simply talking about what "could" be, not what "should" be. I love ALL of the players, but I have watched guys come and go for decades that "could be great if they can get past the injury concerns, or recover from an injury" enough that I don't spend a lot of time, hoping for it, expecting it, or banking on it. Marcu Tubbs was one of those guys ( the pre red bryant) the guy stayed on Seattles roster for three years, waiting for him to get healthy, then retired without playing another game. It happens, and it sucks, but it is part of the game, and I've learned to accept it. Not saying Hill, Marsh or Mebane will suffer that kind of fate, just saying "banking" on full recovery, or beating perpetual injury problems tends not to work out each and every time.

[mykc14]

Obviously he would be a beast for our OL. I think financially it is possible this year but it will start to get real tight after this year, although next off-season they will get a 7.5 mil break with Harvin's money off the books. The Lions do have other options. I think they have threatened to F-tag him but I remember hearing somewhere that he would get 26 mil next year if they did that (his salary this year was over 20 mil and to F-tag him would cost them 20% on top of that) so I don't think there is anyway they would. The only realistic chance at retaining him would be the T-tag (although that would still cost them 26 mil) or one of those other weird FA Tags (I think they are called exclusive rights) where they could match any offer or get draft picks in return if he were to leave. I don't know what the picks are exactly but I know it would be at least a #1 pick and something else pretty high, maybe even a #2. I can't remember for sure it's been awhile since looked into those tags because the Hawks haven't really put themselves into a position to have to tag somebody.

[Hawktawk]

Like I said, I'm not advocating signing Suh ( baring some obscenely low number) I am merely pointing out the truths as I see them. Hill has been injured three times in two seasons that has caused him to miss extended time ( and was drafted with serious injury concerns I believe as well) missing large chunks of time in both seasons, and ending the year on IR both seasons. Mebane is over thirty, coming off a torn hanstring, Williams is likely to retire, and even if he doesn't he never provided any pressure from the interior, McDaniels was signed as a stop gap, after Seattle let him walk, and he also provides no pressure up the middle. The only player on this team that provided that is Bennett, and he is not a DT ( Hill did indeed, but the "if" he can stay healthy thing is starting to seem like a pretty big if to me).

Being high on a young lineman is certainly fair, but the truth is, many were high on Scruggs as well, right now Seattles D-line is solid, dependable and has two excellent book ends, with a situational outside rusher in Irvin, but as far as interior pressure, there simply isn't much to hang a hat on, and it was a glaring weakness early in the season, and again in the SB.

I am not saying they should sign Suh, and hamstring the franchise for the next five years, I am simply talking about what "could" be, not what "should" be. I love ALL of the players, but I have watched guys come and go for decades that "could be great if they can get past the injury concerns, or recover from an injury" enough that I don't spend a lot of time, hoping for it, expecting it, or banking on it. Marcu Tubbs was one of those guys ( the pre red bryant) the guy stayed on Seattles roster for three years, waiting for him to get healthy, then retired without playing another game. It happens, and it sucks, but it is part of the game, and I've learned to accept it. Not saying Hill, Marsh or Mebane will suffer that kind of fate, just saying "banking" on full recovery, or beating perpetual injury problems tends not to work out each and every time.

Nothing to argue about here HC. Injuries are frustrating. If Hill wasn't injured all the time he would be a potential all pro. If Mebane had been healthy that might have been enough.Injuries are bulls...

Suh....If he wasn't such a punk he would rule the world. Hes one of those guys who make you shake your head at the talent being wasted. He will get paid and he will get suspended at some point thereafter.

[savvyman]

If Suh was willing to play for the hawks for what I will call a "Championship Team Discount" (A different and I feel more accurate term than "Home Town Discount") - Then we should pursue this opportunity.

Think about it - if Suh is willing to forgo some millions of dollars from another team to play for the hawks then that shows you what his true motivation is and we would be wise in pursuing him. See Michael Bennet performance as example of player who could had made more somewhere else but chose the opportunity to play for a championship.

Personally - I think he chooses the money........Like most every player does (see Jared Allen last year as example)........

[RiverDog]

If Suh was willing to play for the hawks for what I will call a "Championship Team Discount" (A different and I feel more accurate term than "Home Town Discount") - Then we should pursue this opportunity.

Think about it - if Suh is willing to forgo some millions of dollars from another team to play for the hawks then that shows you what his true motivation is and we would be wise in pursuing him. See Michael Bennet performance as example of player who could had made more somewhere else but chose the opportunity to play for a championship.

Personally - I think he chooses the money........Like most every player does (see Jared Allen last year as example)........

You always pursue it when a player the caliber of Ndamakin Suh expresses an interest to come play for us. But he'd be a fool to take a home town discount low enough to fit our budget. I just don't think there's any way in hell we'd be able to work a deal that would put him on our roster even for a year or two, especially when you consider the money they're talking about in re-doing Lynch's contract. It's pure fantasy.

[kalibane]

There is no way they can afford Suh. It's a pipe dream but you still have to do your due diligence.

[politicalfootball]

Yeah I personally want that level of talent on our DL. Just juggle the cap space around.

[I-5]

I don't mind being known as a team of cocky trash talkers that gets called for penalties too much (or not enough depending on who you ask).

Not sure if I want to be known as a team that steps on people's ankles after the whistle blows. We are a hated team, but no one can call the Seahawks dirty players..without much proof anyway.

[Hawk Sista]

I've been surprisingly impressed with Suh in interviews; he is almost soft-spoken. He clearly comes off as a thug with his mean-ass on the field stuff. I wonder who he is at his core?? In an interview, he is very well spoken and I could halfway believe him when he says that "didn't do it." Pick any # of things for what "it" is. He is a smart player and exceptional enough to consider were the cap hit not as giant as it's going to be - and trust me, dude will GET PAID! I never liked him, but I wouldn't like some of our players either if they were not Seahawks. Just sayin.

All of this dreaming of what a healthy guy like Suh could do for our defense has me anxious for the 2015 draft and subsequent season. We do need some healthy heft on that line. Mini rant coming, avert your eyes if you don't want to read it......... Had 'Bane played in the SB, we would have won. Had Hill played in the SB, we would have won. If Lane played in the SB we would have won. My point is we keep making players out of guys who go out and get paid. We need quality depth everywhere, which was the thing that made us stand out above the rest in our SB winning year. Signing Suh doesn't help us with that.

[Hawktawk]

All of this dreaming of what a healthy guy like Suh could do for our defense has me anxious for the 2015 draft and subsequent season. We do need some healthy heft on that line. Mini rant coming, avert your eyes if you don't want to read it......... Had 'Bane played in the SB, we would have won. Had Hill played in the SB, we would have won. If Lane played in the SB we would have won. My point is we keep making players out of guys who go out and get paid. We need quality depth everywhere, which was the thing that made us stand out above the rest in our SB winning year. Signing Suh doesn't help us with that.

So right Sister. Injuries doomed us and yet we were a play away......It hurts so bad. But the last 3 years have been so surreal its like we have channeled the ghost of Pete Gross or something. Its magical. 25 seconds from the NFC championship in 2012 with a 3rd round midget at QB who broke Slinging Sammy Baughs 1937 rookie record for passing yards in a playoff game by 50 yards in the loss. Then 2013........Then last year3-3 trading Harvin then 6-4 and the run and the magical comeback vs GB where Wilson became the first QB since George Blanda to win a playoff game with 4 or more ints. Then the SB with the entire LOB playing with injuries that would have normal people calling 911 and they were a yard away.
I dont believe in luck and I dont believe in chance.Everything happens for a reason. Its how it was supposed to be. The book isn't written yet.

[c_hawkbob]

Injuries didn't doom us. We were good enough to win the despite the injuries and would have but for a single play.

Win or lose that game, healthy or not, Suh would look real good in a Seahawks uniform.

[HumanCockroach]

I've been surprisingly impressed with Suh in interviews; he is almost soft-spoken. He clearly comes off as a thug with his mean-ass on the field stuff. I wonder who he is at his core?? In an interview, he is very well spoken and I could halfway believe him when he says that "didn't do it." Pick any # of things for what "it" is. He is a smart player and exceptional enough to consider were the cap hit not as giant as it's going to be - and trust me, dude will GET PAID! I never liked him, but I wouldn't like some of our players either if they were not Seahawks. Just sayin.

All of this dreaming of what a healthy guy like Suh could do for our defense has me anxious for the 2015 draft and subsequent season. We do need some healthy heft on that line. Mini rant coming, avert your eyes if you don't want to read it......... Had 'Bane played in the SB, we would have won. Had Hill played in the SB, we would have won. If Lane played in the SB we would have won. My point is we keep making players out of guys who go out and get paid. We need quality depth everywhere, which was the thing that made us stand out above the rest in our SB winning year. Signing Suh doesn't help us with that.

See, the weird thing is here, I think it is because they have the ability to find "cheap" depth with above average players that make discussing Suh even feasable. We aren't talking about a loss of depth, we are talking about whether Suh's talent trumps a few starters currently in place moving forward... Maxwell ( who is likely lost anyway) Mebane ( who knows if he will fully recover from the sever hamstring tear that ended his season) Williams ( who with or without Suh might not play anyway, and is certainly on his last legs) McDaniel ( signed for one more season, and was a stop gap anyway) the ability to extend Carpenter ( who we may choose to move on from anyway) or Okung ( which has injury issues, and we may very well move on from anyway).... To many variables to say "it can't be done" at this point, what if Lynch decides to retire? There is 7 million in a heartbeat.

Lets pretend that Lynch does indeed decide to walk away while healthy, or feels betrayed by Bevell, and demands a trade... How much then is needed to bring Suh in while being able to keep Wilson and Wagner happy?? Carpenter clears 5+ million by being allowed to walk, Williams clears 3.5, Mebane clears another 5.5 I am already over 18 million without losing much depth what so ever. Hill is still going to be there no matter what, as are Marsh, Bennett, Avril etc True you lose some older players, and can't sign guys you might have wanted to keep, but I don't see a drastic loss other than Maxwell ( though I trust the FO and coaching staff to find corners above all else), and possibly Okung ( though that certainly is a very real possibility anyway, and isn't necessarily a guarantee anyway) Mebane would be a blow, and it would make me sad to see him leave, but the truth is no one knows how he'll perform once back, and Suh is simply a more talented player....

Again, I'm not advocating that move, just saying it isn't necessarily a death nell for depth, nor "impossible", unlikely? Sure, but definitely not impossible.

[Hawk Sista]

I could see Suh in College Navy, Wolf Gray with Action Green accents for sure. I'd be first n line to forgive him for stepping on Rogers' leg if he were. I know I wouldn't cry too long if it happened. If any team could pull it off, it could be Schneider and co. It seems hard to imagine W/ Wilson, Wagner and others needing to be signed, though.

I really am not a capologist and can't begin to project what'll happen. It does not seem like this club would go out and get a guy like Suh with the type of $ he could make, & it doesn't seem like Suh would take a "holy cow I 'could' win a championship w/ them" discount. Your point about us having good inexpensive depth is a good one. It was a better point, however, before we paid Sherm, Kam, KJ, Earl, RW, Beast Mode, maybe Bobby. There are a lot of super stars that have been born from the 3rd - 6th rounds on our team and their pay day is here or coming soon.

[Steady_Hawk]

HC,

You're totally spot on when it comes to making room to fit Suh in. We absolutely could do it, and quite frankly I'm all for making the moves you actually suggested. I think all of those guys are very replaceable. Suh makes Mebane replaceable as he's the only painful loss in that scenario.

I just need to see this D with Suh in the middle. It's like a sick wet dream, but the fact that he actually wants to come here along with the fact we could indeed create room makes this less of a fantasy and even perhaps a partial reality.

If we don't get him I sure as hell hope he doesn't end up with the Niners or the Cards....

[Hawk Sista]

The thought of Suh as a Niner just made me barf. That would really, really hurt. Except for the fact that he is going to hand-cuff whatever team signs him with a BIG PAY DAY. I've heard reports he is likely to become the highest paid D-lineman in history. As I said above, I don't think we can do that nor do I think it is this team's style to do that. Not when we will have one of the highest paid QBs, RBs (if the Beast returns), CBs and safeties in the game. At some point, you just can't have everything. Jared Allen wanted to come here - he reached out to us. We wanted him too, but in the end - he went to the Bears where they backed up the Brinks truck to his driveway. Unless Suh wants to win more than he wants the serious money he is about to get (& I hate to say it, but he won't forfeit money), negotiations between him and the Hawks will be short-lived.

I could see us targeting a Jabaal Shear, Jerry Hughes, or Stephen Paea at 1/2 the salary and keeping Mebane, Hill and company. This team also likes to build through the draft.

[HumanCockroach]

SF has a lot of issues right now deciding if they want to bring back a lot of high priced players ( Willis, Davis, Bowman etc) I don't know exactly what their cap is like, but if Suh winds up in the bay area my guess would be in Oakland not Santa Clara. Like I said, everything has to be weighed by that FO, and I trust them to do so.

I'm not sure the Allen situation is comparable, there seemed to be much more to it than simply money. Allen wasn't ready to be a "part time" pass rush type player, his wife was from Chicago and didn't like Seattle, Chicago was willing a longer term deal than Seattle was, he had played in that division for a number of years, and lived in the mid west for even longer.... Yes someone came in with a bigger offer, but in Allens case there was more than the amount of money to be considered, also Allen is at the end of his career, Suh is really just a touch into the "prime" of his...

I don't think Seattle will invest "insane" money into Suh, but like I said, they COULD do it without to much lost, and without a severe hamstring, especially if they did a "shorter" deal like they have done with ET, Kam,Sherm and the rest. There definitely is a boon to players signing a shorter term deal for a little less, as it gives them the chance to "hit the lottery" a second time, while still in their primes.

Ultimately Suh WILL be the highest paid DT in the league, whether it be in Seattle at something around 14-16 million a year, or on a team like Oakland for around 18-20 a year remains to be seen.

[Steady_Hawk]

Sista.

I think HC hit it on the head. The big difference is Suh is just coming out of springtime whereas Allen was coming into late fall as far as their respective careers go. Had Allen been significantly younger they may have tried harder or been more flexible on his contract offer. Also, Allen did hit pay dirt, so good for him especially at his age.

I agree we will find out if Suh just wants money or an actual chance at some hardware. 15-16 Mil for a SB bound team or 17-18 for a team that's going to take years just to maybe make the playoffs.

Hard to know what's in one mans heart, but in less than a month we shall find out!

[NorthHawk]

If not Suh, how about Nick Fairley? He'll be a lot cheaper and still has the ability to get some push up the middle.
It looks like he will hit FA, and in our rotation he should be able to stay fresh.
It depends on how motivated he will be after a payday, but our FO should be able to find out if they think he would work out.

[kalibane]

I honestly have high hopes for Jordan Hill he was getting a great push in the middle until he got injured. I'd rather roll with him than spend money on Nick Fairley who's effort being called "hit and miss" would be a bit generous. There is a reason that Detroit didn't pick up the fifth year of his contract even though they knew that it was going to be incredibly hard to keep Suh.

I'd rather pay Suh's premium than pay Nick Fairley what he's going to get on the open market. Fairley seems like the type of player who will get paid and stop trying altogether.

[HumanCockroach]

Personally, I would be fascinated to see what a Bennett, Avril,Irvin,Suh defensive line could do against a passing offense (especially with the back end and LB's Seattle employs) not saying I would be willing to sacrifice the entire future to see it, but Hill wouldn't be going anywhere in that scenario ( though as I said others in other positions would be). Really, the only loss I see along that D line, is Mebane, Williams, and Mcdaniel. I don't think it's a question that Suh could replace most ( really all) the production from those three ( and exceed it in passing defense) nor am I nieve enough to believe they don't draft/sign cheap "depth" guys, and work Suh in a rotation of some kind. Realistically, it's an "upgrade" over the three mentioned with a LOT of tread still on the tires.

The Question IMHO becomes who ELSE do you lose long term? If the Lions had offered Suh for just those three last season, and the price was 15 million, would anyone have really balked at the notion? I doubt many, and I doubt even more anyone in Seattle's FO. So in my mind, it really boils down to players at other positions that may be lost or not re signed, and that is were the "weighing" of the value comes in.