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by **Agent 86** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 12:49 pm

Just heard a rumoured deal being worked on...'Hawks 1st, a 4th, and Max Unger for Jimmy Graham.

Heard it on Sirius...have no idea how valid this is......there could be more to this.

Apparently a big roster bonus he was owed has been paid....12 million....

Wish I had more on this....

by **Agent 86** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 12:54 pm

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000477780/article/saints-seahawks-finalizing-jimmy-graham-trade

Hawks are getting the 4th and sending a 1st plus Max Unger.

by **Hawktown** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 12:54 pm

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... aham-trade

by **Hawktown** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 12:55 pm

Agent 86 wrote:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000477780/article/saints-seahawks-finalizing-jimmy-graham-trade

beat me to it, lol!

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:03 pm

Never saw that coming.
I guess they think Lewis and Jeanpierre are the answer up front - or maybe they have someone in the draft they think they can get.

by **c_hawkbob** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:04 pm

Now this is a WOW trade! I'm stoked that we are serious enough about getting Russ such a weapon to work with!

Max is entirely replaceable anyway and we do better in the 4th round than we do in the first anyway ...

by **burrrton** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:06 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:Now this is a WOW trade! I'm stoked that we are serious enough about getting Russ such a weapon to work with!

Max is entirely replaceable anyway and we do better in the 4th round than we do in the first anyway ...

I'm just gun shy about seeing any of our decent o-linemen traded away. I'm going to step back from the ledge for now until I have a better handle on who's going to be stepping in where.

Graham is a great pick up, I guess.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:09 pm

I like Unger, but he's been getting dinged up quite a bit the last couple of years.
Now to look at the players in the draft who could play Center. Erving will be gone by the 63rd pick so it will be interesting to see who might be there.
Off the top of my head Grasu (sp) from Oregon or Dismukes from Auburn?

by **Oly** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:12 pm

Wow. My first reaction was "WTF, the OL is a position of need, not strength!"

My second reaction was that Graham doesn't get bullied off the ball on a 1 yard slant for a Super Bowl title.

I don't care about the draft picks much. The 1st is so low that it's not a huge loss (especially with JS's track record in the 1st), and I've heard this is a really deep draft at the Hawks' needs, so the 4th might replace the 1st pretty easily (especially with JS's track record in the 4th).

by **mykc14** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:23 pm

I do not like this trade, at least not yet. I love the 'go for it' attitude of our FO, but would have rather this trade for a #1 type of receiver, not Jimmy.

by **kalibane** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:25 pm

I don't like this trade at all personally. Graham is a prima donna and doesn't block worth a damn. Plus the Saints have a dearth of weapons in the passing game so why would they be willing to dump their only established playmaker?

I know the Saints have major cap issues but this doesn't smell right.

by **Steady_Hawk** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:27 pm

mykc14 wrote:I do not like this trade, at least not yet. I love the 'go for it' attitude of our FO, but would have rather this trade for a #1 type of receiver, not Jimmy.

Can our O-line get any more butt raped.

Why does it feel like we are going backwards to me.

Okung can't stay healthy to save his life, we lose Carpenter and now Max? Wow is our O-Line going to look different this year.

by **Hawk Sista** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:28 pm

Wow!!!! Crazy.

Not sure how I feel yet. Feels like we overpaid.

by **jshawaii22** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:30 pm

WE do have a anti-first round draft pick complexion. I wonder if it's tied to the Salary Cap?

js

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:40 pm

From PFT:

Per a source with knowledge of the contract, the Saints will take a $9 million cap charge, but they’ll save $8 million in cash. Come 2016, he’ll be off the books.

The Seahawks owe Graham a $5 million roster bonus, a $2.9 million base salary, and a $100,000 workout bonus in 2015. Next year, he’s due an $8.9 million salary and a $100,000 workout bonus.

In the final year of the contract, Graham is due to receive a $2 million roster bonus in March, a $7.9 million salary, and a $100,000 workout bonus.

That’s a total of $27 million owed to Graham over the next three years, with $13 million paid by the Saints for the 2014 season.

by **c_hawkbob** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:45 pm

We were serious about upgrading our TE position. Julius fell through, this was plan B.

I'm glad that we are capable of formulating a plan, complete with contingencies, and have the cajones to see it through!

As for our O-line, it's been a weakness for the entirety of Pete's tenure, I'm not at all against a total overhaul.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:49 pm

The inside of the OL has been gutted with both Carpenter and Unger gone, now to see if they go heavy OL in the draft or if there are some FAs out there they have their eye on.

by **mykc14** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:11 pm

As far as overall salary cap this move costs us only around 4.5 mil this year. Graham's cap hit is 9 mil this year. Unger's cap hit would have been 4.5 + about 1.5 for whatever the first round pick would have got for a total of 6 mil. We have to pay 1.1 mil to account for the rest of Unger's roster plus around 250 k for the 4th rounder we picked up. So basically we would have paid 6 mil but now have 9 mil + 1.1 mil + 250k= 10.4. Basically the difference in the cap hit is only 4.4 mil to have Jimmy this season, not really bad. Although we don't know what we are going to do to make up for the loss of Unger, if we sign a FA we would have to account for that. Obviously it hurts to lose out on another 1st round pick, this will be the 3rd year in a row we will not have a #1 pick. Even though the financial aspect doesn't hurt as bad as I might of thought I am still worried about this.

by **savvyman** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:13 pm

Two Thumbs up. Hawks FO wanted a top tier TE receiving threat more than anything else this off-season.

Mission Accomplished.

Hate to give up Unger (and the first round pick) but FO probably concludes that Unger is to susceptible to injury. Also, you don't get something of value in a trade without giving up something of Value.

by **c_hawkbob** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:37 pm

mykc14 wrote:As far as overall salary cap this move costs us only around 4.5 mil this year. Graham's cap hit is 9 mil this year. Unger's cap hit would have been 4.5 + about 1.5 for whatever the first round pick would have got for a total of 6 mil. We have to pay 1.1 mil to account for the rest of Unger's roster plus around 250 k for the 4th rounder we picked up. So basically we would have paid 6 mil but now have 9 mil + 1.1 mil + 250k= 10.4. Basically the difference in the cap hit is only 4.4 mil to have Jimmy this season, not really bad. Although we don't know what we are going to do to make up for the loss of Unger, if we sign a FA we would have to account for that. Obviously it hurts to lose out on another 1st round pick, this will be the 3rd year in a row we will not have a #1 pick. Even though the financial aspect doesn't hurt as bad as I might of thought I am still worried about this.

Not on Bo Duke's watch!

According CBS Sports' Joel Corey:

Seahawks might convert Jimmy Graham's $5M 3rd day of 2015 league year roster bonus (3/12) into signing bonus to lower cap hit by $3,333,334.

by **mykc14** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:46 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:
Not on Bo Duke's watch!

According CBS Sports' Joel Corey:

Seahawks might convert Jimmy Graham's $5M 3rd day of 2015 league year roster bonus (3/12) into signing bonus to lower cap hit by $3,333,334.

That's funny I just saw that after I started my other thread. I do like the idea of freeing up more money but it will increase his cap number next year, but obviously the cap will be going up as well. JS and PC are great at what they do. They know what they want and know exactly how it will all fit together. It is so nice having a FO with a plan.

by **Hawk Sista** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:16 pm

OK......... I thought we gave up Max, a first and a 4th. Now I see that it is Max and a first and we get their 4th. I have to say this makes me feel better, though I friggin hate to lose Max who is a top 5 center when healthy. I 'spose who's Jimmy is a top three TE, huh? I wonder if he is the prima donna he seemed last negotiating season and on the field before the Saints game. Time will tell, but I'm warming to the idea of this. He is a difference maker for sure!!!

by **obiken** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:17 pm

"Max is entirely replaceable anyway and we do better in the 4th round than we do in the first anyway "
Really C-bob?? Every time Max was out the offense suffered, moreover, we are hearing about Carpenter leaving, sorry who is going block for these people?? We give up a first rounder and an all pro center, for a great TE. So after we all stop jumping up and down, who realizes that we have/are playing Russell-roulette. It was bad enough last year when a lot of the Offensive line was out he was running for his life. I don't like it due to the first rounder we needed that pick more than an upgrade at TE. But to all of you I am going to be wrong of course.

by **politicalfootball** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:22 pm

Wow somebody who can hold on to the ball. Maybe he wins the Super Bowl for us.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:25 pm

obiken wrote:"Max is entirely replaceable anyway and we do better in the 4th round than we do in the first anyway "
Really C-bob?? Every time Max was out the offense suffered, moreover, we are hearing about Carpenter leaving, sorry who is going block for these people?? We give up a first rounder and an all pro center, for a great TE. So after we all stop jumping up and down, who realizes that we have/are playing Russell-roulette. It was bad enough last year when a lot of the Offensive line was out he was running for his life. I don't like it due to the first rounder we needed that pick more than an upgrade at TE. But to all of you I am going to be wrong of course.

I've never been a fan of Graham, but let's see how this plays out after FA and the draft.
We might get a great young Center out of this, and who knows what they might do in FA regarding replacing Carp.

Maybe they intend to play him as a wideout or hybrid and not specifically as a TE. He is the big WR type we have been looking for, and if Matthews steps up we will have transformed our WR corps with this move.
The question will be if our OL can protect Wilson long enough for the patterns to develop.
I suspect Bailey will get a good look at Guard even if we draft a good one at that position.
We end up with 3 4th round picks if you include the expected compensatory selection.

by **obiken** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:28 pm

I get it, the FO is hoping for that nightmare match-up in the passing game we have never had. However we have a total rebuild on the OL, with NO number 1. This is a heavy trust factor. I have to trust PC and JS, they have earned it, but this scares me.

by **savvyman** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:34 pm

Seahawks have the best read/option & Play Action offense in the league.

Having the most athletic sure handed and fast tight end will put so much more pressure on defenses when they try and stop our running game. When teams bring 7 or 8 men to the box to stop Marshawn, the Hawks will make them pay dearly with Graham. Seahawks Front Office knows this. Graham not only makes are passing game significantly better - he will make our running game better because if teams over-commit to stopping the run - Graham will blaze right past the entire defense for easy pass gains of 10 - 30 yards all season long.

The guy has Great Hands too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3g6NBcCjI8

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:40 pm

obiken wrote:I get it, the FO is hoping for that nightmare match-up in the passing game we have never had. However we have a total rebuild on the OL, with NO number 1. This is a heavy trust factor. I have to trust PC and JS, they have earned it, but this scares me.

I don't have the same trust factor with the Offense as I do with the Defense.

Savvy has a point, though, he should put pressure on the opposing Defenses and open up the run.
As well like I said before, if Matthews progresses, our receiving corps will look completely different.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:42 pm

The Chargers have just released Guard Chad Rinehart because they just signed Orlando Franklin.
He may never be an All Pro, but he might be able to fill a need at Guard.

by **obiken** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:47 pm

Ok cool I feel better now, I think!

by **c_hawkbob** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:50 pm

obiken wrote:"Max is entirely replaceable anyway and we do better in the 4th round than we do in the first anyway "
Really C-bob?? Every time Max was out the offense suffered, moreover, we are hearing about Carpenter leaving, sorry who is going block for these people?? We give up a first rounder and an all pro center, for a great TE. So after we all stop jumping up and down, who realizes that we have/are playing Russell-roulette. It was bad enough last year when a lot of the Offensive line was out he was running for his life. I don't like it due to the first rounder we needed that pick more than an upgrade at TE. But to all of you I am going to be wrong of course.

Yes Obi, really. We lacked some in his leadership and line call expertise when he was out, but not really so much with his play on the field (with which I had been getting a little disillusioned owing to his high percentage of poor shotgun snaps). We are obviously undertaking a major makeover of the entire offensive line and quite frankly, that's where we've needed it most.

Max is a good center, which is why he was of enough value to tip this deal, but we've already been making due without him (10 games worth last year), it should be easier to do do so having an entire offseason to fill the void.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:58 pm

Schneider seems to like what Lewis did last year and said on the NFL Network that they also had a couple of guys on the PS who they like as well as options in the Draft.

by **RiverDog** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:00 pm

Graham is definitely a weapon that we've been asking to get for Russell, but he's not a very good inline blocker. We might end up using him more as a WR than a TE.

Losing Max hurts. We are a lot better team with him in there, and I don't see a viable replacement currently on our roster. My initial instinct is that I don't like the trade, but I'm gonna wait until I see how we address the center position before I go ballistic like I did when we traded for Harvin.

I'll say one thing for Pete. He has a set of balls.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:06 pm

Max was out for 10 games last year and we almost won it all.
He might be easier to replace than Okung would.

by **Hawktawk** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:30 pm

Unger was never healthy. Even when he suited up he was always nursing something the past few years. I'm surprised by the move a little, shouldn't be in the 6th season of JS and PC. I haven't been a fan of Grahams personality in the past but his talent makes one drool. I like it a lot better than I did the Harvin deal.

by **Zorn76** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:37 pm

It's a big move...and we'll see if it works.

When this guy's head is screwed on straight, he's a terrific TE.

When he starts getting b*****, his attitude goes south.

Otherwise, I'm not worried about Unger and Carpenter being gone. If nothing else, Pete and John recognize that the existing group needs to be overhauled, and that we have done remarkably well with marginal talent up front protection wise.

by **obiken** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:17 pm

1080 the fan in Portland thinks its a good trade for both teams. Maybe true. However, I see NO with 2 first round picks and an all pro center with the better end. As the Zen master said we'll see!

by **obiken** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:39 pm

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... tle-loaded NFL channel agrees C-Bob!

by **c_hawkbob** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:56 pm

obiken wrote:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000477855/article/jimmy-graham-to-hawks-makes-seattle-loaded NFL channel agrees C-Bob!

by **obiken** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:02 pm

C-bob, going to Boston tomorrow. Irish Cigar bars, the JFK library, and the Patriot walk. Anything I should say to Pats fans at sports bars? Like coaches can lose games, they were lucky, or stop the victory lap it wasn't a blow out??

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