No More Jake Locker to Kick Around

[RiverDog]

Rather than hook on with a new team and try to re start his career, Jake has decided to hang it up. You have to admire him personally, though. He says he's been smart with his money, so he's not in any financial need to keep playing, and he's being honest with any potential future team rather than fleece them for millions and ruin some coaching careers like so many athletes do nowadays. He also has a baseball option, although at 26 years old, it's probably a little late for that.

There's got to be a lot of people around Mountlake that are looking for cover, though. Jake had attracted a huge, passionate following ever since he was dubbed "The Savior of Husky Football" that were predicting Heisman trophies and national championships ever since his arrival on campus. I spent a lot of time debating them on the old PI Husky forum. I'd love to hear what they have to say now.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/gon ... OXsports11

Nice call, ObS. You were the first one I heard that said Jake might retire.

[Seahawks4Ever]

I am now over joyed that the Locker lovers didn't get their way and he never became a Seahawk. He will now enter the lexicon as an NFL BUST. I hope he has been smart with his money because other wise he has never been the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Sorry, but I saw a lot of Husky games when Locker was the QB and he was basically a poor man's Tim Tebow. Sure, he was more accurate than Tebow but with less leadership ability.

He lost his desire, that I can understand with all of his injuries he suffered. I have to wonder though, how much desire he ever had. Oh well, he will always be a God in Ferndale.

[RiverDog]

I am now over joyed that the Locker lovers didn't get their way and he never became a Seahawk. He will now enter the lexicon as an NFL BUST. I hope he has been smart with his money because other wise he has never been the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Sorry, but I saw a lot of Husky games when Locker was the QB and he was basically a poor man's Tim Tebow. Sure, he was more accurate than Tebow but with less leadership ability.

He lost his desire, that I can understand with all of his injuries he suffered. I have to wonder though, how much desire he ever had. Oh well, he will always be a God in Ferndale.

Jake wasn't more accurate than Tebow. Tebow had a very high completion percentage at Florida. Tebow's problem wasn't his accuracy, it was his mechanics, in particular, his slow release. It killed him when he got to the next level, just as many predicted it would. Jake had a lot better mechanics and had the ability to make all the throws. He just wasn't very accurate and he didn't show a lot of patience, started to panic if his first read wasn't open. You didn't see him scrabble with his eyes downfield like Russell Wilson does.

I'm not sure how one defines a bust. Jake wasn't a bust in the way Ryan Leaf was a bust. Jake had multiple injuries to contend with. He did have some good games where he showed flashes of brilliance, but he could never sustain it in part because he couldn't stay on the field long enough.

[NorthHawk]

As a high draft pick that didn't live up to his selection, he is probably a bust.
However, I think injury should be a factor when making that determination as well as the team around him.
If we had seen Tom Brady or Dan Marino (or others) being injured a number of times early and missed in their development, they may never have been the QBs they are/were.
Injuries can be just bad luck and it happens to players so this is one of those cases where we will never know for sure how good (or bad) he could have been.

[RiverDog]

As a high draft pick that didn't live up to his selection, he is probably a bust.
However, I think injury should be a factor when making that determination as well as the team around him.
If we had seen Tom Brady or Dan Marino (or others) being injured a number of times early and missed in their development, they may never have been the QBs they are/were.
Injuries can be just bad luck and it happens to players so this is one of those cases where we will never know for sure how good (or bad) he could have been.

Jake had a ton of injuries in college, too. IMO his injuries weren't just as a result of bad luck, they came from his style of play. Forgive me for constantly comparing him to Russell, but even though he moved around just as much as Russell does, he didn't protect himself. Jake was a tremendous athlete. There was no physical reason for him to experience as many injuries as he did.

[NorthHawk]

Injuries often occur by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. We've seen players taking a step with nobody around and tearing an ACL or cartilage.
Factor in angry 300 pounders trying to hurt you and it's a wonder more aren't injured.
It's true, he may have tried to be more physical than he could take but you have to play the way you think is right and can't be someone you're not.
Had he been on a team with a good OL where he didn't have to run or a dominant run game it might have been different.

[kalibane]

In fairness to Locker you can't use college stats. Tebow's performance in the NFL showed what a mirage his college stats were. In the actual NFL where the big boys play Locker completed 58.9% of his passes. Tebow completed 47.9% of his passes.

Locker isn't what I'd call an accurate QB but he's definitely more accurate than Tebow. And Tebow had a ton of problems. Accuracy being one of the biggest. There are all kinds of stories of him missing guys terribly in practice and he bounced balls all the time in the pros. The only reason he didn't rack up interceptions is because he was so inaccurate that a lot of times neither the receiver nor the defensive back covering him had any chance to catch the ball.

I mean seriously ... he completed less than half his passes. That was a bad percentage in the 60's.

[jshawaii22]

He was drafted FAR TOO High for his 'game'. He should of been a 2nd or 3rd round choice. It blew me away when Tenn drafted him 10(?) --

If he had been drafted correctly, we wouldn't be calling him a 'bust'.

js

[RiverDog]

In fairness to Locker you can't use college stats. Tebow's performance in the NFL showed what a mirage his college stats were. In the actual NFL where the big boys play Locker completed 58.9% of his passes. Tebow completed 47.9% of his passes.

Locker isn't what I'd call an accurate QB but he's definitely more accurate than Tebow. And Tebow had a ton of problems. Accuracy being one of the biggest. There are all kinds of stories of him missing guys terribly in practice and he bounced balls all the time in the pros. The only reason he didn't rack up interceptions is because he was so inaccurate that a lot of times neither the receiver nor the defensive back covering him had any chance to catch the ball.

I mean seriously ... he completed less than half his passes. That was a bad percentage in the 60's.

I'll admit to not watching all of Tebow's games and I understand that college and NFL stats are not always, perhaps even seldom apples vs.apples, but Tebow had a career 66% completion percentage in 4 years at Florida that suddenly dropped off a cliff in the NFL. Did he suddenly lose his ability to throw a ball through a truck tire hanging from a tree limb because he went to a different level or was something else at work?

On the other hand, Locker's career completion percentage in college (54%) vs. the NFL (57.5) were very close, almost identical if you only use his last two years at UW after Sark arrived.

[Hawktawk]

Tebows accuracy went away when the *gurus* started messing with his mechanics prior to the draft. IMO he should have been left alone.He was a 70 percent passer in college.He was and is far superior to Locker and were I a GM Id be signing him before some of these sorry retreads who have never done a damn thing. I am a huge fan as you all know and wish Tebow nothing but the best in his attempt to land a spot on an NFL roster at the veteran combine.

As for Jake Locker I wish him well. As RD said, he was honest enough to admit he just didn't have it in him anymore rather than fleecing someone out of millions.
Good luck Jake. You were always a class act.

[RiverDog]

Tebows accuracy went away when the *gurus* started messing with his mechanics prior to the draft. IMO he should have been left alone.He was a 70 percent passer in college.He was and is far superior to Locker and were I a GM Id be signing him before some of these sorry retreads who have never done a damn thing. I am a huge fan as you all know and wish Tebow nothing but the best in his attempt to land a spot on an NFL roster at the veteran combine.

As for Jake Locker I wish him well. As RD said, he was honest enough to admit he just didn't have it in him anymore rather than fleecing someone out of millions.
Good luck Jake. You were always a class act.

Let's get the record straight on Tebow. 66.4% career passer in college, not 70%.

The 'guru's" were messing with Tebow's mechanics long before the draft. QB coaches and other mentors tried to improve them all the time he was at Florida as they knew it was a weakness of his. I think it was Cbob that mentioned that Tebow's baseball experience as a teenager was probably responsible for his wind up delivery that he was never able to break himself of.

Hopefully forum members will forgive me. I didn't mean to start another Tebow debate.

[kalibane]

Tebows accuracy went away when the *gurus* started messing with his mechanics prior to the draft. IMO he should have been left alone.He was a 70 percent passer in college.He was and is far superior to Locker and were I a GM Id be signing him before some of these sorry retreads who have never done a damn thing. I am a huge fan as you all know and wish Tebow nothing but the best in his attempt to land a spot on an NFL roster at the veteran combine.

As for Jake Locker I wish him well. As RD said, he was honest enough to admit he just didn't have it in him anymore rather than fleecing someone out of millions.
Good luck Jake. You were always a class act.

Your love affair with Tebow is so misguided. Tebow was ALWAYS innaccurate.

1. College QBs in college offenses always have inflated stats that don't represent the reality of their skills. For example Geno Smith completed 67% of his college passes. But I guess the pro coaches ruined his accuracy too? Please The reason why Jake Locker's stats are much more even looking is because he played in a pro style offense. And FYI Geno Smith is more accurate than Tebow.

2. Urban Meyer's spread system helped mask Tebow's deficiencies in College. Tebow's responsibilities in the passing game were insanely simple. He made ZERO reads. They called a play, his job was to throw to a spot that should be empty as a result of play design and wait for the receiver to get there. If the receiver wasn't open then he tucked and ran. He didn't have to diagnose a defense, he didn't have to drive difficult throws into tight windows. Had no progressions to go through. Could not anticipate (like Kaepernick), he had to see his receiver open before he could throw it.

3. These were his skill position players: Percy Harvin, Riley Cooper, Aaron Hernandez, Chris Rainey. He was being protected by the Pouncey twins. Easy to pump up that completion percentage when you are throwing to an entire group of NFL players who are open by 5 yards and much of that just dumping off to Percy Harvin.

4. His mechanics had to be fixed. His wind up was RIDICULOUS. He'd never get the ball out in the NFL. And his footwork was atrocious, didn't know how to drop back. Incidentally THAT is where his inaccuracy came from his inability to learn proper footwork... or at least that's why he was so ridiculously inaccurate and not just run of the mill inaccurate.

Tebow was simply not a QB and you need to accept that fact already. He was a great athlete blessed to be put in a position that played to his strength with a skill group that most NFL teams could defend much less a college team.

[Hawktawk]

Hopefully forum members will forgive me. I didn't mean to start another Tebow debate.[/quote]

Sorry Mr accutron didn't quite have the stat right. 66 percent is damn good along with a national title though.No comparison in productivity at either the college or pro level to Locker.

Not much to debate at this point. Tebow had similar issues in college to Byron Leftwich with the big slow looping windup.Leftwich wasn't tampered with and had a few years of limited success .Tebow was advised to correct it to help his draft stock and it pretty much ruined his passing. Much like the golfer trying to change his swing Tebow gets hung up in between motions and it sometimes delivers ugly results IMO.I dont know if baseball had much to do with it, hasn't hurt Wilson's stroke.
But ultimately Tebows career was derailed by John Elway and John Fox who loathed him and Ryan who hated him even more.
Tebow was a leader, a motivator, a believer, and a winner. Like I say I wish him well and root for him to succeed whatever he does. He would upgrade a few rosters.
KAL

Oh and Kal I knew that was coming and I dont really need to be educated about the Florida program and his college teammates. I know all of that, the offense etc.BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Fact is he was playoff winner his only season at the helm in Denver, he was very careful with the ball, and he was absolutely devastating with his legs. And before you start talking about star wars Mannings gaudy numbers on that roster remember 2 one and done playoff performances AT HOME in 3 years with a better roster.

Pretty and winner are often 2 different things. Ask Jeff George. I dont give a rip what any of you say. I think the kid is a winner and I'm not going to change my opinion.

[curmudgeon]

Would've been an incredible collegiate/pro safety......

[kalibane]

Jeff George with all his character issues was 10 times the QB that Tebow was. Leftwich was a classic drop back QB. His delivery was long but his footwork was very good. Comparing him to Tebow is ridiculous.

The people that try and attribute that Denver season to Tebow are ridiculous. That defense bailed him out over and over and over. They were the reason they made the playoffs and won. Also his legs were only great in college. They were nothing special at the NFL level. He wasn't fast enough for the big boys. Good short yardage guy though. Cam without speed.

Also didn't have the hips to play DB. He should have been a TE/HBack.

[Hawktawk]

I agree with both the last 2 posts. Tebow is as Kal said an excellent athlete and probably could have had success at any number of positions. But I give him credit for being true to who he is. He doesn't waver in his desire to be an NFL QB. He was one for a few years and in his one home playoff appearance beat the Steelers in Wilsonesque fashion with an overtime beautiful strike to Thomas. Arm looked OK on that one. Hes always got that experience in his pocket no matter what the haters say.

It isn't like he is stupid.He doesn't need money. He is a stupendously awesome college football analyst. But the guy is still packing his lunch pail and trying to achieve his dream. He got an invite to the pro vet combine and says he is throwing better so we will see.
Either way I'm a huge fan of all Tim Tebow is about always.

[c_hawkbob]

I agree with both the last 2 posts. Tebow is as Kal said an excellent athlete and probably could have had success at any number of positions. But I give him credit for being true to who he is.

Oh I don't. Mike Rob was a QB in college too, and he made himself a fine career in the NFL as a FB. A whole lotta college QB's go on to play other positions in the NFL, here are no Kudos to be had for refusing to even consider such a move and instead letting yourself become a running joke in NFL circles.

[RiverDog]

Oh I don't. Mike Rob was a QB in college too, and he made himself a fine career in the NFL as a FB. A whole lotta college QB's go on to play other positions in the NFL, here are no Kudos to be had for refusing to even consider such a move and instead letting yourself become a running joke in NFL circles.

Did he not consider it? I'm not being a smart Alec, but I honestly don't know. He said publically that he would do whatever a team asked him to do, indeed he played on special teams as the personal protector for the punter. Was it Tebow that refused to change positions or was it his coaches that felt it wasn't worth experimenting with considering that "The Circus" would have followed him wherever he went regardless of what position he played?

Even if he did refuse to change positions, I'm not going to rap him for it. He has parlayed a PR image that he created during his brief run as an NFL quarterback into a nice little broadcasting career. I'm pretty sure that like Jake Locker, he didn't blow all his NFL money on booze and women and probably has a bank account much larger than any of ours even though he's less than half our age, or rather my age. I do think he's delusional in that he still thinks he has what it takes to be an NFL quarterback, but I don't consider him to be a joke.

[kalibane]

It was similar to the Seneca Wallace deal. He was willing to take some snaps elsewhere (personal punt protector) if that's what was required to maintain a roster spot but unwilling to switch his full time position group.

[RiverDog]

It was similar to the Seneca Wallace deal. He was willing to take some snaps elsewhere (personal punt protector) if that's what was required to maintain a roster spot but unwilling to switch his full time position group.

That was with the Jets. Didn't the Pats sign him with the understanding that they might want to try him out at as an H back or TE?

[kalibane]

His full time position group was still QB. He was listed 4th on the depth chart when he was released.

[RiverDog]

His full time position group was still QB. He was listed 4th on the depth chart when he was released.

There was definitely a lot of rumors citing Belichick's willingness to experiment and that Tebow might be tried out at a different position when the Pats signed him. Perhaps they were nothing but pure speculation. Nevertheless, I would still like to know if the failure for Tebow to be tried out at a different position was a result of Tebow's resistance to the idea or that for one reason or another, potential suitors didn't want to consider it.

[NorthHawk]

There's a player in this years draft - Nick Marshall from Auburn which has been pretty successful and he's trying to make the switch to CB from QB.
Many of the mocks and media "experts" have him rated as a 5th to 6th round talent. That's for a guy who never played CB at a high level.
He's someone I think we should take a hard look at with one of our expected extra picks in those rounds as he showed pretty well all things considered in the Senior Bowl.

[kalibane]

Even if he started to relent with NE it was definitely his insistence to play QB up to that point. And at that point it's too late to switch positions drastically. That's the kind of thing you do as a rookie where you have extra mini camps after being drafted and the option of stashing them on the practice squad while they hone their skills. Tebow can't be practice squaded. All he'd have is mini camp and training camp to learn a completely new position when he's supposed to be learning the offense. No NFL coaching staff has time to take away from other players and the overall team to coach someone up from the ground up.

It doesn't really matter to me anyway. It doesn't bother me in the slightest that Tebow was dead set on being a QB even if it cost him a gig in the NFL. The only thing that bugs me about Tebow are the insane fans that ignore the obvious lack of competency at the position, believe there is a league wide conspiracy theory against him, believe that he is entitled to 100 chances to catch on to an NFL team and that not even his well chronicled dismal practice performance should be taken into account. No Tebow should just be handed a starting job because he's a gamer and he proved it by throwing a 5 yard hitch that the receiver took 75 more yards for a TD.

[c_hawkbob]

My memory of it is that he's always insistent on being a QB, albeit one willing to move around in certain player packages.

[RiverDog]

It doesn't really matter to me anyway. It doesn't bother me in the slightest that Tebow was dead set on being a QB even if it cost him a gig in the NFL. The only thing that bugs me about Tebow are the insane fans that ignore the obvious lack of competency at the position, believe there is a league wide conspiracy theory against him, believe that he is entitled to 100 chances to catch on to an NFL team and that not even his well chronicled dismal practice performance should be taken into account. No Tebow should just be handed a starting job because he's a gamer and he proved it by throwing a 5 yard hitch that the receiver took 75 more yards for a TD.

I agree 100%. If it was QB or nothing, then that's his business. I honestly don't care. I just wasn't sure if that was the case or not.

The only thing I'll say in his defense is that he's not a fool or a joke for playing his hand the way he did. He exited with his good health, several $M in his bank account, and has embarked on a promising new career as an analyst, all before the age of 30. He's left the league in one helluva lot better shape than some other notable NFL first round busts that I can think of, such as Ryan Leaf.

[kalibane]

Agreed... I don't have a problem with almost anything Tebow himself did. Good for him and his agent for maneuvering their way up to being a 1st round draft pick and basically cultivating such a following that he'll never lack for a job.

Tebow only did one thing that rubbed me the wrong way. That was when he complained to the press about Chris Simms being promoted to starter even though Tebow was 2nd on the depth chart. 1. That kind of thing should remain in the locker room. Publically he should be supporting his teammates. 2. When he was in Denver he was also raised from #3 to starter, making him a big time hypocrite.

[Hawktawk]

Agreed... I don't have a problem with almost anything Tebow himself did. Good for him and his agent for maneuvering their way up to being a 1st round draft pick and basically cultivating such a following that he'll never lack for a job.

Tebow only did one thing that rubbed me the wrong way. That was when he complained to the press about Chris Simms being promoted to starter even though Tebow was 2nd on the depth chart. 1. That kind of thing should remain in the locker room. Publically he should be supporting his teammates. 2. When he was in Denver he was also raised from #3 to starter, making him a big time hypocrite.

In the case of the Jets its pretty hard to understand why Tebow was #4 on the depth chart with the absolute slobs in front of him. Take a good look at Simms stats in the start he was bypassing Tebow for.Something ike 7 sacks, multiple turnovers and knocked out of the game. Ryan never gave TT a chance. Being the toe sucking sleazebag he is he probably couldn't stand to be around a good Christian man.Tebow was forced on him by Woody Johnson and there was only room for one over sized personality in NY,Rex.

Sheesh one could make a better case that Tebow shouldn't have been moved to #1 past Orton in Denver if it was about throwing motion or being a competent traditional NFL QB.I think Elway and Fox got tired of the fanatical fans screaming for Tim and put him in to shut them up when he failed in an already lost season.Then he kept pulling games out(yeah Kal I know they had a D too buddy, relax.)
Ive never seen a HC or GM look more like they were passing a gallstone when Tebow would make another amazing play after looking like hell for 59 minutes ROFLMAO. Well, an overtime playoff win later TT had the entire fan base behind him and Elway had to sell the farm to bring in Peyton. It was the only way to keep his scalp.

Ive enjoyed watching that failed experiment, no more so than SB XLVIII.I also enjoyed the Tebow *era* very much.
Looks like Tebow passed up the vet combine so maybe he has finally put down the sword...So I will too...For now.

[HumanCockroach]

I think some simply didn't actually watch a Denver game, if that is what you saw. ESPN is cool and all, but if all you are basing the assertion about "amazing" play by TT, you did NOT watch a single complete game that Tebow started, period. He was AWFUL game after game, after game for 90% of the game, absolutely some of the worst QB play I have ever witnessed. Tebow's greatest asset was a coach willing to completely destroy and rework his offense, a strong running back, and a fantastic defense that made it routine to clean up Tebows cluster f$%k drive after drive....

Anyone who didn't see that, is either blinded by their love of his faith, his hype, his end of game manufactured heroics, or are simply blind.

Ryan specifically traded FOR Tebow, using his "dislike" of him because of religious reasons is silly. Tebow wasn't "hiding" that stuff prior to the trade. Ryans entire plan stemmed from his desire to run the WC offense, unfortunately Tebows throwing motion was so incredibly poor that a WR was a BETTER option. Not sure why that wouldn't clear up Tebows ability to play QB for some( much less who he was behind, and how incredibly poorly they were playing), but it appears some still believe in some bizarre conspiracy theory in regards to Tebow, instead of simply admitting or seeing that he simply was a bad QB.

As for playing for Orton, at least that is accurate, no way, no how should Tebow ever have passed Orton in Denver.

[Hawktawk]

Ive never seen a HC or GM look more like they were passing a gallstone when Tebow would make another amazing play after LOOKING LIKE HELL for 59 minutes ROFLMAO.

Two words HC. Reading comprehension. I realize how it looked as the above post stated, very unconventional and usually ugly.



It was never pretty but it was wins, SOMETHING ORTON COULD NOT DELIVER WITH ALL THE GREAT GUYS YOU JUST MENTIONED.. It was faith, a belief, a never say die attitude, the will to win.Mentally tough. It was God squad, John 3:16.It wasn't always a big play by Tebow, but there was always a play and lots of those at game end were his.

It was highly entertaining to me. Sort of like the guy we have now except he has great footwork and a great throwing arm with great accuracy. But cut into their heart there is the same heartbeat, two very similar guys who hate to lose and always believe in themselves.I'm always a fan of guys like that over pretty boys who figure out how to lose despite having all the "measurables".

[quote="HumanCockroach"]I think some simply didn't actually watch a Denver game, if that is what you saw. ESPN is cool and all, but if all you are basing the assertion about "amazing" play by TT, you did NOT watch a single complete game that Tebow started, period. He was AWFUL game after game, after game for 90% of the game, absolutely some of the worst QB play I have ever witnessed. Tebow's greatest asset was a coach willing to completely destroy and rework his offense, a strong running back, and a fantastic defense that made it routine to clean up Tebows cluster f$%k drive after drive....

Anyone who didn't see that, is either blinded by their love of his faith, his hype, his end of game manufactured heroics, or are simply blind.

[kalibane]

You are hopeless. The truth was exposed the following week in New England. When they couldn't shut down the NE offense the mask of the #2 rated bronco's defense was removed and Tebow was embarrassingly bad in the process of being obliterated.

What really seals the deal on Tebow is his stint with the Patriots. In a year when the most imaginative coach of our generation (in terms of finding ways to utilize talent), Bill Belichek, a self admitted Tebow fan, keeps 3 QBs when he almost always keeps only 2, still can't find a roster spot for Tebow. Face it dude... he's terrible. If Belichek can't find a use for him no one can.

[RiverDog]

Not sure how this became a Tebow thread, but so far as Jake Locker is concerned, I feel he was a guy who gave everything he had to his own detriment. Instead of protecting himself, he tried for the extra yard, and got injured. When he was a high school senior, he was all-state as a QB and as a safety. I felt at the time that he should be a defensive back, but he wanted to play the position, so he did. A great attitude, heart, and class. Good luck, Jake, in whatever you do.

BTW, thanks River for remembering my post. Jake is an icon here in the county, and there have been rumors (a friend talked to a friend who knows somebody who) that he would retire and go into the ministry. That would fit his profile, in my opinion.

I was the one responsible for turning this into a Tebow thread when I compared him to Jake, and I asked for forgiveness.

Agreed about Jake. I've said a lot of tough things about him over the course of the past 8 years, but I've never had anything bad to say about his persona. Everything I've ever heard about him is that he's a good teammate and a good citizen.

I don't know why I wouldn't remember what you said about Locker and his possible retirement. You are always a good read and are a poster whose opinion I respect no matter what the subject is.

[RiverDog]

Agreed... I don't have a problem with almost anything Tebow himself did. Good for him and his agent for maneuvering their way up to being a 1st round draft pick and basically cultivating such a following that he'll never lack for a job.

Tebow only did one thing that rubbed me the wrong way. That was when he complained to the press about Chris Simms being promoted to starter even though Tebow was 2nd on the depth chart. 1. That kind of thing should remain in the locker room. Publically he should be supporting his teammates. 2. When he was in Denver he was also raised from #3 to starter, making him a big time hypocrite.

He did a couple of other things that rubbed me the wrong way. IMO his patenting of his TD celebration was very conceited and self centered. Players have been celebrating TD's like that for decades. I also got tired of constantly seeing him on the tube/radio and having every discussion turn towards his religion. I got to the point that the second I saw or heard his voice that I'd change channels. I'm not blaming that entirely on him, but he didn't have to agree to every single interview. IMO he was taking advantage of his, or rather his team's success on the field and using it as a means to achieve individual goals not associated with the sport.

Hawktalk, you really do have a blind spot when it comes to Tebow. Just my humble opinion.

[Hawktawk]

Hawktalk, you really do have a blind spot when it comes to Tebow. Just my humble opinion.

I have a lot of respect for every opinion here no more so than U RD but I think you all misunderstand. I get it. Tebow is a brutal thrower of the football. He is unable to consistently throw from the pocket. All true. He was picked too high and may have never gotten over the hump as a complete player. But still he got his team to and won a home playoff game against what most would say was a superior team. Peyton Manning with a far better roster lost twice in 3 seasons at home against inferior opponents, including a brutal beat down last Jan.
In spite of not having a tenth of the athletic tools as a passer Tebow won in his brief opportunity. I found it very entertaining flipping on the tube to see how he would pull it out the next time. It irritated me that horse face and Rex Luther saw it different. I believe Tebow would still help a few teams in the league if given an opportunity.
That is all I will move on parting comments or shots notwithstanding.

[kalibane]

It should tell you something that the only bullet in your chamber is taking a playoff win that was won on a fluky play where the receiver did all the work and comparing it to Peyton Manning (who did not have a better team FYI) who has a losing playoff record and loses in the first round of the playoffs all the time. Somehow that means more than his stats, the eye test, and the fact that he got two more chances on other teams and failed to produce anything.

[NorthHawk]

Sorry for perpetuating this thread about Tebow, but according to PFT Chip Kelly is bringing him in for a workout.
Maybe he sees something that can work in his Offense.

[RiverDog]

Sorry for perpetuating this thread about Tebow, but according to PFT Chip Kelly is bringing him in for a workout.
Maybe he sees something that can work in his Offense.

I saw that, too. Ironic, isn't it? Despite an active campaign to get back into the league, Tebow hasn't gotten even a whisper of an interest since his release from the Pats 1.5 years ago, but the minute we start talking about him, a story comes out that he got a look-see from an NFL team. It does figure that if anyone was going to look at him, that it would be Chip Kelly.

Like him or loathe him, you have to give him credit for being persistent. I would have thought that if he still hadn't given up on the dream of playing QB in the NFL again that he would have gone to the CFL and continued to work on his craft, especially a player with his deficient mechanics.

[RiverDog]

It sounds like Tebow's workout went remarkably well, that he's corrected some of the mechanical issues that'd been dogging him.

But color me pessimistic. It's one thing to rise to the occasion in practice, especially in a solitary workout, and an entirely different thing to duplicate it in a game situation when his mind is busy processing all the stuff a quarterback does with a half dozen pass rushers trying to take his head off.

[Hawktawk]

LMAO. About the time I'm really being ridiculed along with Tebow he gets another look from someone who knows a hell of a lot more about football than me or ANYONE ELSE ON THIS BOARD..


Tebow is a winner. Bringing him in makes plenty of sense. Bradford will never hold up and we all have seen plenty of butt fumble. Now Kelley has a guy who can run his offense and also provide a serious option to run between the tackles. Go get em Tim!!!!!

[kalibane]

1. No one ever said that Tebow wasn't a good enough athlete to play at the NFL level. Just not as a QB.

2. Did he get signed?

Thought not...