Compensatory picks are out

[NorthHawk]

We get extra picks in th 4th, 5th, and 2 in the 6th this year.
Next year, I would guess we will get a 3rd for Maxwell and some others.

[NorthHawk]

Short form for the current picks as it stands today:

2nd Round: (native)
3rd Round: (native)
4th Round: (from New Orleans for Max Unger)
4th Round: (native):
4th Round: (comp)
5th Round: (native):
5th Round: (comp):
6th Round: (from New York for Percy Harvin)
6th Round: (comp)
6th Round: (comp)
7th Round: (native)

[Hawkstar]

11 picks... I'm guessing JS/PC make some sort of move to get down to 8. As noted above, the Hawks really shine in the 4-6th rounds ~ I''m hoping a few of these picks are spent on some big guys up front.

[NorthHawk]

There aren't many starting positions to be filled on this team. A lot of players will probably be depth and development prospects.
Some OL needs could be satisfied in the 2nd to 5th rounds as well as Cornerback depth and Special teams are getting thin, so if you consider Schneider likes to stockpile picks, I doubt we move up unless we have moved down previously.

[NorthHawk]

Here's a link to the Draft order this year:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... t-order-2/

Edit:
Here are our picks:

2-31-63 Seattle
3-31-95 Seattle
4-13-112 Seattle from New Orleans
4-31-130 Seattle
4-35-134 Seattle (Compensatory Selection)
5-31-167 Seattle
5-34-170 Seattle (Compensatory Selection)
6- 5-180 Seattle from New York Jets
6-34-209 Seattle (Compensatory Selection)
6-39-214 Seattle (Compensatory Selection)
7-31-248 Seattle

[obiken]

Wow this draft is supposed to be loaded with good mid-rounder's, what a stroke of luck, planning, or skill!

[monkey]

If you guys like when your favorite team drafts a bunch of Offensive linemen, then I'd bet a lot of doughnuts that you will LOVE this years draft!
With all of those picks, and all the holes on the O line, you can pretty much rest assured that Cable will be allowed to make several picks in the middle rounds.

[obiken]

Monk there really was no choice. Carp was a bust, minor bust IMHO, but still a bust. We lost Unger to the trade, there were not enough OL in FA to make up the slack. Our OL was NEVER as good as our DL under PC. IF Okung, goes down for the year we are toast. We are set on Defense but Offense is a different kettle of fish.

[NorthHawk]

Not to mention both Okung and Sweezy are in the last year of their contracts and could be FA's next year.

[youdoit22]

A couple of those selection should jump up 1 or 2 slots after the league take away draft picks from the Browns & falcons.

[obiken]

A couple of those selection should jump up 1 or 2 slots after the league take away draft picks from the Browns & falcons.

The OL is my only Major concern this year.

[c_hawkbob]

Me too. Now.

[youdoit22]

Yeah scouts like the quality of O linmen this year. & there will still be undrafted free agents.

[obiken]

A good not great RT would be Jake Fisher out of Oregon. I know I am alum, but He was slated to play RT, moved to left due to our All American going down, and when he was out against AZ we lost, from then on to the title game we never lost.

[NorthHawk]

Fisher would make Britt redundant, so it might be a wasted pick (or make Britt a wasted pick) unless you envision him at LT next year and let Okung go. It might be a way to upgrade the overall talent along the OL as well as decrease the costs.

[Oly]

Fisher would make Britt redundant, so it might be a wasted pick (or make Britt a wasted pick) unless you envision him at LT next year and let Okung go. It might be a way to upgrade the overall talent along the OL as well as decrease the costs.

With the state of the Hawks' OL, I don't think there is a single position you avoid drafting high. And when you consider how stacked this team is, it's the reality that several draft picks are going to be "wasted" insofar as they won't make the team.

[Tommy Udo]

Fisher is good, but will be long gone before we pick. Highly regarded before the combine, and then put up very good numbers. May even go first round.

I highly doubt Fisher will go in the first round but he should come off the board starting in the middle of the second making him a possibility at the bottom of the round.

Ali Marpet may be in play for the bottom of the second. I'm not as big on him as some but he has upside.

[Tommy Udo]

Marpet is interesting simply by being so athletic. His combine numbers are outstanding, but he played against a lower level of competition, so there is a big question about how it translates. Also, he played at left tackle but is expected to be able to transition to center or guard. I have seen no evidence that he has ever snapped the ball, and center also requires a solid understanding of reading defenses, so that adjustment calls can be made. Big question mark.

On the other hand, as a developmental project, not expected to do much in year one, he might be a good acquisition. It never hurts to have a big man with movement skills. If he was still there in round 3, I would be very tempted. But, thankfully, I am not making the picks.

I agree with all of this. Solid analysis OBS.

[NorthHawk]

"Fisher would make Britt redundant, so it might be a wasted pick (or make Britt a wasted pick) unless you envision him at LT next year and let Okung go. It might be a way to upgrade the overall talent along the OL as well as decrease the costs.

With the state of the Hawks' OL, I don't think there is a single position you avoid drafting high. And when you consider how stacked this team is, it's the reality that several draft picks are going to be "wasted" insofar as they won't make the team."



They aren't particularly solid on the OL considering we have lost 2 starters in the middle and have another 2 that might go in FA next year.
The question in my mind is what would you do with Britt? Do you give up on him after only 1 year? Try to move him inside where he doesn't really have the bulk or much experience?
Or do you see Fisher as the future LT and let Okung go in FA next year?

Although I like the idea of Fisher as well as Marpet who by the reports I have read really did well at the Sr Bowl against the best DL in the draft, I'm with others and think neither will be there at 63 (or 62 if the Falcons lose a 2nd round pick (a possibility that Schefter suggested today as a possible penalty for pumping noise into the stadium).

Having said that, I hope we end up with 2 selections between rounds 2 and 5 where there looks to be some good talent available with Guard and Center the obvious areas of need this year.

[HumanCockroach]

I would not be surprised to see them draft a couple o lineman this year, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Bailey and Pierre-Loise as the starters come game one next season at guard and center either. They both played quite a bit last season, and while many don't like that idea, they did contribute mightily to another SB appearance.

[Oly]

The question in my mind is what would you do with Britt? Do you give up on him after only 1 year? Try to move him inside where he doesn't really have the bulk or much experience?
Or do you see Fisher as the future LT and let Okung go in FA next year?

I don't think Pete thinks along these lines. I think he would draft a RT and have the rookie and Britt battle it out for RT, with the loser backing up the other. If that competition meant that Britt's a backup, I really don't think Pete would think of it as giving up, and I don't know that he'd feel the need to move him inside to get value. I think Pete would simply be happy we drafted a rookie that helps the team. Trying to squeeze production out of Britt either by avoiding a high RT in the draft or by moving him inside only happens if you're hung up on value. Pete has shown that he's not. If JS drafts a better RT, and Britt can't beat out anyone else, then Pete would have no problem demoting or cutting him and be happy that his team is better than it was with Britt.

About Fisher and Okung...hell if I know. I think Okung is a solid starter at the right price, and even as an Oregon alum I won't say that I know how Fisher will be in the pros. But one thing I do know is that the decisions Pete makes about the OL are only about improving the play; they'll draft players they think will upgrade the team and then let the competition decide.

[NorthHawk]

I'm not so sure that's a good idea with an already weak OL with 2 big holes to fill and possibly one or two next year.
I think they plan better than that.
If our OL was solid with no holes, I would agree completely but I seriously doubt both he and JS would put extra resources into a position that is already filled only to have one sit on the bench while other players (at any position, not only OL) are passed over.
Maybe they will draft a LT like Fisher or Marpet if they are still on the board with an eye on giving Okung an offer that would make him move on if he gets a better one. Considering he never gets through a full season, that would make sense.

OL should be a focus at all positions this year and I hope there are players there between 2 and 5 instead of relying on late 7th and UFA signings.

[RiverDog]

I read an opinion on how the Seahawks might actually trade up, something that if I am correct, we have not done since Pete and JS arrived.

http://seahawksdraftblog.com/will-the-s ... up-from-63

[NorthHawk]

I thought they have traded up a couple of times, but before they did, they traded down for more picks.
I could see them using some of the accumulated extra picks if they see a guy they like slide to where he looks to them as very good to extreme value.
It's easier to move up in the 2nd round than the 1st, so maybe this year will be when they break out of that pattern.

Edit:
I re-read that article and especially the comments at the bottom.
What I found interesting are the comments we need a Leo in the draft. Some have it as a top 3 need.
I don't see it, but I wonder what the rest of the forum thinks.

[RiverDog]

I thought they have traded up a couple of times, but before they did, they traded down for more picks.
I could see them using some of the accumulated extra picks if they see a guy they like slide to where he looks to them as very good to extreme value.
It's easier to move up in the 2nd round than the 1st, so maybe this year will be when they break out of that pattern.

Edit:
I re-read that article and especially the comments at the bottom.
What I found interesting are the comments we need a Leo in the draft. Some have it as a top 3 need.
I don't see it, but I wonder what the rest of the forum thinks.

Boy, I sure don't remember it, unless it was very late in the draft.

As far as us going after a Leo, it wouldn't surprise me, but then again, nothing surprises me anymore about this FO. They do not adhere to conventional wisdom.

[mykc14]

Boy, I sure don't remember it, unless it was very late in the draft.

As far as us going after a Leo, it wouldn't surprise me, but then again, nothing surprises me anymore about this FO. They do not adhere to conventional wisdom.

The last 'early' pick (rounds 1-3) I remember them trading up for was Mofitt, but I could be mistaken on that.

[NorthHawk]

That's the only one (Moffitt) I could see, too. Maybe there were some later round dealings where they traded down then up again.
I thought they had done it more in the middle rounds, but I guess I'm wrong.

As far as drafting a Leo goes, I don't see where he would fit with our current rotation.
It seems to me like people are forgetting about (or discounting) Cassius Marsh.
I think we might see some good things from him in the next few years.

[RiverDog]

It's probably not worth arguing about, but in 2011, we traded our second round pick, the #57 overall, to Detroit for their third rounder, the #75 pick, and their 4th, #107 overall. We used the #75 pick to take Moffitt, so we traded down, not up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NFL_draft

[mykc14]

It's probably not worth arguing about, but in 2011, we traded our second round pick, the #57 overall, to Detroit for their third rounder, the #75 pick, and their 4th, #107 overall. We used the #75 pick to take Moffitt, so we traded down, not up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NFL_draft

Yep, I was mistaken. I don't know why I thought we traded up for that pick. Did we not have a 3rd rounder that year due to signing Charlie Whitehurst? Maybe that's what I was thinking.

[RiverDog]

Yep, I was mistaken. I don't know why I thought we traded up for that pick. Did we not have a 3rd rounder that year due to signing Charlie Whitehurst? Maybe that's what I was thinking.

Yep. We traded our 2011 third round pick to the Chargers for Clipboard Jesus. Another example of us trading a high draft pick for a player. Gosh, we've made a lot of player-for-draft-pick trades.

[HumanCockroach]

True, but while some haven't worked well ( in fact the majority haven't) when they "hit" they hit it a country mile. Most of those types of trades are low round gambles however ( like the Winslow, or White) while the Harvin trade obviously was a disaster, Lynch though, damn, talk about identifying and "swindling" another team ( even if they were obviously to dumb to realize what they had in Buffalo). Seattle hasn't had the best success in these types of deals, however, they certainly have shown a willingness to look into and attempt to swing for the fences ( add in attempts to trade for Marshall, Jackson etc).

[RiverDog]

True, but while some haven't worked well ( in fact the majority haven't) when they "hit" they hit it a country mile. Most of those types of trades are low round gambles however ( like the Winslow, or White) while the Harvin trade obviously was a disaster, Lynch though, damn, talk about identifying and "swindling" another team ( even if they were obviously to dumb to realize what they had in Buffalo). Seattle hasn't had the best success in these types of deals, however, they certainly have shown a willingness to look into and attempt to swing for the fences ( add in attempts to trade for Marshall, Jackson etc).

I can't say that I disagree with anything you said.

The one positive thing I said about the Harvin trade was that at least Pete had the balls to attempt such a deal. In a league where parity is a way of life, you have to be willing to take a risk when the opportunity arises. You don't get to the Super Bowl by being conservative.

[HumanCockroach]

The balls to cut bait and run seem to me to be silly in regards to Garvin (as well as Flynn, White, Winslow etc) if they don't fit they are jettisoned immediately.

[RiverDog]

The balls to cut bait and run seem to me to be silly in regards to Garvin (as well as Flynn, White, Winslow etc) if they don't fit they are jettisoned immediately.

You can throw in Aaron Curry, too, although one does have to note that Pete didn't draft him so felt less of an obligation to keep him. Nevertheless, it takes some balls to trade a #4 overall.

In a round about way, you can give credit to our owner for not micromanaging the team. In a lot of circumstances, coaches are afraid to make controversial decisions like cutting bait on high draft pick, expensive players like Harvin or Curry. Pete has complete confidence in his authority, doesn't have to worry about answering the owner's concerns except in an overall sense. I'm sure the HC with the Redskins is always looking over his shoulder.