Poll Question: Proposed changes to the PAT

[RiverDog]

Discussed in another thread, thought it would be interesting to see where the consensus lies.

[c_hawkbob]

Where did the 7+2 come from?

Pete's suggestion was 7+1 (no kick, run or pass) with the defense having the opportunity to score the extra point on an INT or fumble recovery/return.

That keeps the max doable at 8 points as it is today and just eliminated the useless kicking exhibition.

9 points possible is just stupid and makes the poll useless.

[RiverDog]

Where did the 7+2 come from?

Pete's suggestion was 7+1 (no kick, run or pass) with the defense having the opportunity to score the extra point on an INT or fumble recovery/return.

That keeps the max doable at 8 points as it is today and just eliminated the useless kicking exhibition.

9 points possible is just stupid and makes the poll useless.

It's not Pete's proposal, but the 9 point play is a proposal that's out there. It is the most radical of all the proposed XP's, which is why I chose it. I did not want a lengthy poll. I did say to choose the one that is closest to your sentiments, so by choosing the 2nd option, you are not necessarily advocating the 9 point play.

[c_hawkbob]

Yes it was Pete's proposal.

http://cover32.com/seahawks/2015/03/25/ ... ra-points/

And as such is the sensible poll alternative to maintaining the status quo.

And as I said, the 9 point proposal is ludicrous, I have not seen it proposed anywhere but here. I wan't no part of it as it changes entirely the dynamic of a one possession vs 2 possession game. To include it as the poll alternative invalidates the poll for me.

[RiverDog]

Yes it was Pete's proposal.

http://cover32.com/seahawks/2015/03/25/ ... ra-points/

And as such is the sensible poll alternative to maintaining the status quo.

And as I said, the 9 point proposal is ludicrous, I have not seen it proposed anywhere but here. I wan't no part of it as it changes entirely the dynamic of a one possession vs 2 possession game. To include it as the poll alternative invalidates the poll for me.

Tell you what: Let's forget my poll and you can start one yourself and put in whatever wording or options you want. All I am trying to do is get a general consensus of what forum posters are thinking regarding the PAT.

[HumanCockroach]

Indy proposed the 9 point play this year according to NFL Network,ESPN and numerous other sources.

[c_hawkbob]

Tell you what: Let's forget my poll and you can start one yourself and put in whatever wording or options you want. All I am trying to do is get a general consensus of what forum posters are thinking regarding the PAT.

No thanks. Just doing you the courtesy of letting you know why I'm choosing not to participate in your poll.

And of course saying that if you really want a consensus give people proper choices, not "keep it the way it is" or "completely change the game". I didn't mean to make you mad but the 9 point idea just completely changes everything and anyone with any sense is going to opt to keep things the same if that's the other option.

Your 3rd option I have seen suggested and would not be a bad idea but I like Pete's suggestion infinitely better.

[RiverDog]

No thanks. Just doing you the courtesy of letting you know why I'm choosing not to participate in your poll.

And of course saying that if you really want a consensus give people proper choices, not "keep it the way it is" or "completely change the game". I didn't mean to make you mad but the 9 point idea just completely changes everything and anyone with any sense is going to opt to keep things the same if that's the other option.

Your 3rd option I have seen suggested and would not be a bad idea but I like Pete's suggestion infinitely better.

Doing me the courtesy of telling me how stupid and useless my poll is? You have a broad definition of the word "courtesy".

[savvyman]

As I mentioned on the other thread - the question comes down to "Do you wish to have the Extra point have more influence in the determination of the outcome of an NFL game"?

If the answer is yes you do want the extra point to have more of an influence in the outcome of a game then vote yes.

I voted no - there is the 2 point option available already for teams who when they wish to exchange some safety for an additional reward opportunity.

The NFL owners would be better served to adjust the catch ruling so that a catch like Dez Bryant against the Lions in the playoffs is ruled as a catch.

[c_hawkbob]

Doing me the courtesy of telling me how stupid and useless my poll is? You have a broad definition of the word "courtesy".

Look at it as you choose. I didn't intend to hurt your feelings. I'm not going to apologize because my response was my honest reaction and that used to be what we expected of each other.

Setting the poll up to get a desired result is nothing new, you can usually tell the politics of a political poll's originator by the wording of the poll. I don't participate in those polls either.

[c_hawkbob]

As I mentioned on the other thread - the question comes down to "Do you wish to have the Extra point have more influence in the determination of the outcome of an NFL game"?

If the answer is yes you do want the extra point to have more of an influence in the outcome of a game then vote yes.

I voted no - there is the 2 point option available already for teams who when they wish to exchange some safety for an additional reward opportunity.

The NFL owners would be better served to adjust the catch ruling so that a catch like Dez Bryant against the Lions in the playoffs is ruled as a catch.

I agree with you as it pertains the the Indy 9 point option. The motivation of that change would be a fundamental change in the game's scoring dynamics.

The motivation of Pete's 7+1 option is to eliminate the useless exercise that is the kicking of the extra point. The scoring dynamics of the game remain the same.

[Hawktown]

I say leave it alone. There are those 2 point tries that fail that leave the team with only 6, so a given 7 alters the dynamics of the scoring also.

[c_hawkbob]

I say leave it alone. There are those 2 point tries that fail that leave the team with only 6, so a given 7 alters the dynamics of the scoring also.

That's a valid point. Not enough to change my opinion, but it is a valid point.

[RiverDog]

Look at it as you choose. I didn't intend to hurt your feelings. I'm not going to apologize because my response was my honest reaction and that used to be what we expected of each other.

Setting the poll up to get a desired result is nothing new, you can usually tell the politics of a political poll's originator by the wording of the poll. I don't participate in those polls either.

I didn't ask for an apology. Nor did I ask for your courteous explanation as to why you chose not to participate. I just thought it was ironic how you just got through balling out our new poster for what you perceived as a personal insult then you turn around and completely unprovoked insult a regular poster. A little bit of the pot calling the kettle black IMO.

It wasn't my intent to set up the poll to get a desired result. I was trying to keep it simple. There are a lot of proposals out there, ranging from moving the kicked PAT back to the 15, narrowing the goal posts, raising the cross bar, the 7+1, the 7+2, allowing the defense to score on a PAT, and so on. Clearly I would have missed someone's pet proposal if I tried to list them all.

Forget about the wording of the questions and use it as a sliding scale from 0-10 as to your willingness to change the PAT, with the first answer being a 0-3, the second 7-10, and the 3rd 4-6. That's why I asked for the respondent to choose the answer that best fit their attitude towards proposed changes to the PAT.

Enough of the debating the poll itself. The clear majority (currently 9-0-0) of those that answered want only minor changes, if any, to the current PAT. Thanks to those that responded.