NorthHawk wrote:PFT had a comment this morning that it should go up another couple next year as well with the new CBS Thursday night contract.
A good time to be signing Russell to a long term deal.
NorthHawk wrote:PFT had a comment this morning that it should go up another couple next year as well with the new CBS Thursday night contract.
A good time to be signing Russell to a long term deal.
depaashaas wrote:NorthHawk wrote:PFT had a comment this morning that it should go up another couple next year as well with the new CBS Thursday night contract.
A good time to be signing Russell to a long term deal.
Just to bad they will have to wait till 2014 is over before they can even start talking
NorthHawk wrote:depaashaas wrote:NorthHawk wrote:PFT had a comment this morning that it should go up another couple next year as well with the new CBS Thursday night contract.
A good time to be signing Russell to a long term deal.
Just to bad they will have to wait till 2014 is over before they can even start talking
So when they start talking next year, they might have up to an extra 5 million in Cap Space towards his contract.
depaashaas wrote:
Don't forget the Hawks were 2.8 mil below cap last season, teams are allowed to roll over unused cap space into next year so Hawks cap should be 132.8 mil total for 2014
HumanCockroach wrote:Huh, the Hawks aren't in dire straits when it comes to re signing their core players? Imagine that. Color me surprised. LOL
RiverDog wrote:I don't know if anyone was hitting the panic button. All folks were saying was that it's going to be difficult to keep this team together for the next 3-5 years.
I don't understand how the fact that every team in the league getting the same amount of increase in their salary cap is going to give us a greater advantage in re-signing our players. It will have the effect of raising what all teams can afford to pay their players, so why wouldn't this increase allow more teams to bid for the services of our players and thus raise their market value?
NorthHawk wrote:RiverDog wrote:I don't know if anyone was hitting the panic button. All folks were saying was that it's going to be difficult to keep this team together for the next 3-5 years.
I don't understand how the fact that every team in the league getting the same amount of increase in their salary cap is going to give us a greater advantage in re-signing our players. It will have the effect of raising what all teams can afford to pay their players, so why wouldn't this increase allow more teams to bid for the services of our players and thus raise their market value?
It permits us to re-negotiate prior to them hitting FA or for tagging them.
RiverDog wrote:NorthHawk wrote:RiverDog wrote:I don't know if anyone was hitting the panic button. All folks were saying was that it's going to be difficult to keep this team together for the next 3-5 years.
I don't understand how the fact that every team in the league getting the same amount of increase in their salary cap is going to give us a greater advantage in re-signing our players. It will have the effect of raising what all teams can afford to pay their players, so why wouldn't this increase allow more teams to bid for the services of our players and thus raise their market value?
It permits us to re-negotiate prior to them hitting FA or for tagging them.
Understood. But doesn't the cap increase also increase player's (and their agents) expectations on what they could get if they choose to go FA?
The pie is bigger, but the slices are still the same size relative to each other.
RiverDog wrote:I don't know if anyone was hitting the panic button. All folks were saying was that it's going to be difficult to keep this team together for the next 3-5 years.
I don't understand how the fact that every team in the league getting the same amount of increase in their salary cap is going to give us a greater advantage in re-signing our players. It will have the effect of raising what all teams can afford to pay their players, so why wouldn't this increase allow more teams to bid for the services of our players and thus raise their market value?
RiverDog wrote:Understood. But doesn't the cap increase also increase player's expectations on what they could get if they choose to go FA?
The pie is bigger, but the slices are still the same size relative to each other.
Irish Greg 2.0 wrote:RiverDog wrote:I don't know if anyone was hitting the panic button. All folks were saying was that it's going to be difficult to keep this team together for the next 3-5 years.
I don't understand how the fact that every team in the league getting the same amount of increase in their salary cap is going to give us a greater advantage in re-signing our players. It will have the effect of raising what all teams can afford to pay their players, so why wouldn't this increase allow more teams to bid for the services of our players and thus raise their market value?
All things considered, I guarantee every one of our free agents would want to stay with in Seattle, first and foremost. Could they get more money in Oakland?? Yeah. Do they want to play in Oakland??? No way. But would you rather have $4.7 million in Cleveland or Oakland or $4.3 in Seattle?
It helps us because we can keep more of our own players. We have more money available than we thought. If it's close in dollar value as compared to another team, the edge is for us. Super Bowl Champs, a coach picked by players around the league as the guy they would most want to play for, class organization with front line facilities, super rich owner, crazed fan base with immense support of the team, great camaraderie on the roster, on and on and on.
We aren't competing with other teams for players...they are competing with US. Every player is going to want to play here now, including our own. Jermichael Finley already voiced that...said his first stop would be Seattle.
If another team offered crazy amounts of money as compared to us, sure I would guess they would take it. But having extra money to play with means we can perhaps lock in Earl long term now and still be able to make competitive offers to some of the other key players.
Agent 86 wrote:Just to bad they will have to wait till 2014 is over before they can even start talking
So when they start talking next year, they might have up to an extra 5 million in Cap Space towards his contract.
Don't forget the Hawks were 2.8 mil below cap last season, teams are allowed to roll over unused cap space into next year so Hawks cap should be 132.8 mil total for 2014
Wow, I have to be honest, I never realized this before. Not sure why, it seems to be a big deal. Perhaps the cone of silence wasn't working that day and I didn't hear.
I was wondering how some teams had so much cap space. I guess if you know you will be terrible, you cut or trade your vets and take on more rookie salaries. Just get to the cap floor and then have ammo for next season.
RiverDog wrote:Irish Greg 2.0 wrote:RiverDog wrote:I don't know if anyone was hitting the panic button. All folks were saying was that it's going to be difficult to keep this team together for the next 3-5 years.
I don't understand how the fact that every team in the league getting the same amount of increase in their salary cap is going to give us a greater advantage in re-signing our players. It will have the effect of raising what all teams can afford to pay their players, so why wouldn't this increase allow more teams to bid for the services of our players and thus raise their market value?
All things considered, I guarantee every one of our free agents would want to stay with in Seattle, first and foremost. Could they get more money in Oakland?? Yeah. Do they want to play in Oakland??? No way. But would you rather have $4.7 million in Cleveland or Oakland or $4.3 in Seattle?
It helps us because we can keep more of our own players. We have more money available than we thought. If it's close in dollar value as compared to another team, the edge is for us. Super Bowl Champs, a coach picked by players around the league as the guy they would most want to play for, class organization with front line facilities, super rich owner, crazed fan base with immense support of the team, great camaraderie on the roster, on and on and on.
We aren't competing with other teams for players...they are competing with US. Every player is going to want to play here now, including our own. Jermichael Finley already voiced that...said his first stop would be Seattle.
If another team offered crazy amounts of money as compared to us, sure I would guess they would take it. But having extra money to play with means we can perhaps lock in Earl long term now and still be able to make competitive offers to some of the other key players.
OK, so now that we have a roughly 9% increase in the salary cap we can offer Player X $4.7 M vs $4.3M before the cap expansion. How does that differ from Oakland's ability with the same 9% increase to pay Player X $5.1M now vs. $4.7M before the cap expansion?
The fact that we can entice a player to take less money because of our better odds of going back to the SB did not change with the expansion of the salary cap.
Irish Greg 2.0 wrote:
The cap is the hardline. We have more room now, which means we can squeeze in more in the cupboards. Previously, we may have only been able to keep X number of players ... just the simple math of it.
Again, my position is I don't even consider most other teams "competition" if the offers are in the ballpark. Our players will want to stay here, and we can now afford to keep a few more than we could have without the increase. We had a budget for a 60" TV before...now we can get the TV, a sound system and a new sectional.
Irish Greg 2.0 wrote:We are just looking at it differently. We have a lot of free agents, and the more we can keep the better. More money means a better chance at keeping more of our own.
The cap is the hardline. We have more room now, which means we can squeeze in more in the cupboards. Previously, we may have only been able to keep X number of players ... just the simple math of it.
Again, my position is I don't even consider most other teams "competition" if the offers are in the ballpark. Our players will want to stay here, and we can now afford to keep a few more than we could have without the increase. We had a budget for a 60" TV before...now we can get the TV, a sound system and a new sectional.
HumanCockroach wrote:Who says Sherman, Thomas and Wilson get to FA? You're assuming things that may not happen, will. If they like playing here and the money is in the ball park, just don't see them refusing a great offer in Seattle to "test" the market. That has burned a lot of players the last two years, and an increase in the cap doesn't automatically mean insane spending on players across the board. Teams are being a hell of a lot more careful about making sure money is there to sign their OWN stars which those three definitely fall in to.
RiverDog wrote:HumanCockroach wrote:Who says Sherman, Thomas and Wilson get to FA? You're assuming things that may not happen, will. If they like playing here and the money is in the ball park, just don't see them refusing a great offer in Seattle to "test" the market. That has burned a lot of players the last two years, and an increase in the cap doesn't automatically mean insane spending on players across the board. Teams are being a hell of a lot more careful about making sure money is there to sign their OWN stars which those three definitely fall in to.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm simply stating that the expansion of the salary cap is not going to make it easier, nor more difficult, for us to resign the aforementioned players in the coming years.
The increase in the cap is going to give teams the ability to offer FA's 9% more money than before the expansion just as it gives us 9% more money to resign our own players.
NorthHawk wrote:I think what is not being considered is a team can start to negotiate with a player before his contract ends which gives an advantage.
For instance, Russell Wilson signed a 4 year contract, but they can renegotiate after the 3rd year. Nobody else can offer him a contract until his 4th year is finished unless he signs a new contract with us then they can't until his next contract is over. Advantage Seahawks.
Same thing with all of their draft choices - they get first chance at extending their contracts and with more money on the table, many will want to accept the guaranteed funds a year earlier than taking a chance on injury or a bad year.
NorthHawk wrote:We've tried to find a player who can get pressure from the inside for a while. Now we have one but if Bennett goes, who might replace him? It's not like those types are easy to find.
savvyman wrote:Please lets not downplay the impact that Bennett had for us last year - his contribution was huge and I am sure that Pete and John are going to do everything they can to sign him.
But I don't think they will be willing to go past 3 years or more than $7 - $* million a year for his services. If Bennett can get higher then that from another team then we will lose him.
NorthHawk wrote:It means they can sweeten the pot for some of the priority signings.
What would happen if the Cap shrunk? Even though it would be the same for all teams, we probably wouldn't keep all of the players we would want (or can today) so the expanding Cap is a good thing with a number of key players up for renegotiation.
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