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Always red flags for me when I hear someone might have a work ethic problem.
He's going to have to work harder than he ever has and maybe he thinks he can get by on athleticism alone.

We'll see where he goes and who is coaching him that might light a fire under his butt if he needs it, but the history of the league is littered with players with immense talent who didn't want to work to be the best.

No but I don't think he will be as great as some think.
He has more upside, than Curry. You have to be careful with the combine numbers. You have to look at film. You have to ask does the guy like to hit?
Curry was body like Tarzan played like Jane.

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NorthHawk wrote:Always red flags for me when I hear someone might have a work ethic problem.
He's going to have to work harder than he ever has and maybe he thinks he can get by on athleticism alone.

We'll see where he goes and who is coaching him that might light a fire under his butt if he needs it, but the history of the league is littered with players with immense talent who didn't want to work to be the best.

Lack of work ethic is a huge red flag for me too.

I don't trust players who have gotten by with just extra height or muscle or god-given ability. When push comes to shove you have to dig deep and go at it harder than ever. I dont want someone who has never faced adversity on the field before.

That being said, I absolutely 100% would draft him at 32 if hell froze over and he was available.

About the only time I've seen "work ethic issue" type players pan out is when they're on their 2nd team, and know if they don't bring the effort then they're out of the league.

Attitude is everything in the NFL. If you don't have a good one, then nothing else matters much. We've seen this too many times to conclude otherwise. That said, the Seahawks - especially on the heels of a SB victory - have enough leadership and league cred to have as good a chance as any to whip somebody into (mental) shape.

Doesn't look like we'll be in a position to take on this particular case, but Clowney better take notice of other lazy players that have come before him.

I'm starting to see red flags whenever the media gets stoked about anyone. Remember how Blaine Gabbert's stock rose leading up to the draft? Almost unexplainable, but the media hyped him up and Jacksonville took the bait. Aaron Curry, as this post states, is another great example. I'll admit, while at the time I wanted Mark Sanchez, I beleieved that when we drafted him that he was about as "can't miss" as you could get in the draft (I have always been cautious about all 1st Round picks, though).

I read Baldwin's tweet the other day about the NFL being a money machine, and while his "rant" could have been taken another way, I think I see where he is coming from: bottom line, don't trust most of what you hear coming out of the media - and perhaps especially so at the combine.

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SalmonBB wrote:I'm starting to see red flags whenever the media gets stoked about anyone. Remember how Blaine Gabbert's stock rose leading up to the draft? Almost unexplainable, but the media hyped him up and Jacksonville took the bait. Aaron Curry, as this post states, is another great example. I'll admit, while at the time I wanted Mark Sanchez, I beleieved that when we drafted him that he was about as "can't miss" as you could get in the draft (I have always been cautious about all 1st Round picks, though).

I read Baldwin's tweet the other day about the NFL being a money machine, and while his "rant" could have been taken another way, I think I see where he is coming from: bottom line, don't trust most of what you hear coming out of the media - and perhaps especially so at the combine.

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Good to see you again, SBB!

I was took in by all the media drooling over Aaron Curry as badly as anyone, and I've learned not to trust all the talking heads at the combine and elsewhere prior to the draft. Even so, I still get nervous when we start wandering off the conventional wisdom reservation and take guys like we have with our top picks of the past 3 years. It would sure be interesting to sit in the war room of an NFL team on draft day and just listen to their deliberations.

Nice Topic OBS.

I am an accepted troll at one of the Rams forums and told them the same thing. I think Clowney is going to be another Curry. Guy had almost no stats in his Senior year and work ethic issues? Yeah, no thanks. If I were the Rams, I would be frothing at the mouth at Greg Robinson.

Good Lord, not to change the subject but this might be one of the best LT classes since the Jones/Pace draft.

Robinson reminds me a little of Big Walt.
Great footwork - really light on his feet, yet powerful.
He'll make his share of mistakes early in his career, but if he's anything like Walt, he will be a regular face in the Pro Bowl.
I wish we had a chance at him.

This thread needs a poll. Good question BTW, it's the exact comparison I've been making in my head for a while now.
My vote would be yes, I think there is a high probability that he is the next Aaron Curry or something eerily similar to him.

In my mind he's a true boom or bust type.
However, that's just from what I've read and I don't know the young man. Maybe that characterization is completely wrong and he's a very hard worker but has received some bad advice along the way.

NorthHawk wrote:Robinson reminds me a little of Big Walt.
Great footwork - really light on his feet, yet powerful.
He'll make his share of mistakes early in his career, but if he's anything like Walt, he will be a regular face in the Pro Bowl.
I wish we had a chance at him.

No doubt! That's who I'm thinking may be the next Walter Jones. It's been a long time since this league has had true elite caliber LT's. This may be that 1997 draft again!

Like you, I wish we had a shot at him too. Move Okung to RT and holy smokes, you have some serious bookends!

Steady_Hawk wrote:

NorthHawk wrote:Robinson reminds me a little of Big Walt.
Great footwork - really light on his feet, yet powerful.
He'll make his share of mistakes early in his career, but if he's anything like Walt, he will be a regular face in the Pro Bowl.
I wish we had a chance at him.

No doubt! That's who I'm thinking may be the next Walter Jones. It's been a long time since this league has had true elite caliber LT's. This may be that 1997 draft again!

Like you, I wish we had a shot at him too. Move Okung to RT and holy smokes, you have some serious bookends!

Nice thought and definitely worth a try if a good LT fell to us, but I wouldn't make the assumption that Okung could successfully transfer to the right side. He's played on the left side for his entire college and pro career.

All of this hype really make you wonder about players. Lets say that Clowney struggles a little in his first year, that does not mean he will be a bust though.

This feels like the dog days waiting for something, anything to happen.

Old but Slow wrote:I worry when a player expresses his desire to be the first pick in the draft. It gives me a feeling about his priorities. The first pick goes to the worst team. He wants to be on the worst team?

Players who want to be first rounders are more understandable, in that they will be on the highest pay scale for a rookie, but for one to feel that he needs to go first, makes me question his motivation.

My position is weak, I know, so don't beat me up.

I think there's logic in your argument.

To expand on your thought, i can see how wanting to be the #1 pick could also be viewed as "completing his goal" in the sense that being #1 and getting paid was all that he really wanted. Im not talking about Clowney in particular, just #1 picks who deeply care about being #1.

Only one player gets to be the #1 pick, and everyone else simply has to work on making it in the NFL. I'd imagine that the person with the least amount to "work for" would be the #1 pick as he has already received the acclaim and $$$ that goes along with the top pick.

I don't think wanting to be #1 is automatically a bad thing though. Athletes need to constantly try to get better in order to keep advancing in their sport, so being #1 certainly makes some sense as a goal. I guess in the end what really matters is if being #1 is just ONE OF MANY goals that the player has for himself.

briwas101 wrote:

Old but Slow wrote:I worry when a player expresses his desire to be the first pick in the draft. It gives me a feeling about his priorities. The first pick goes to the worst team. He wants to be on the worst team?

Players who want to be first rounders are more understandable, in that they will be on the highest pay scale for a rookie, but for one to feel that he needs to go first, makes me question his motivation.

My position is weak, I know, so don't beat me up.

I think there's logic in your argument.

To expand on your thought, i can see how wanting to be the #1 pick could also be viewed as "completing his goal" in the sense that being #1 and getting paid was all that he really wanted. Im not talking about Clowney in particular, just #1 picks who deeply care about being #1.

Only one player gets to be the #1 pick, and everyone else simply has to work on making it in the NFL. I'd imagine that the person with the least amount to "work for" would be the #1 pick as he has already received the acclaim and $$$ that goes along with the top pick.

I don't think wanting to be #1 is automatically a bad thing though. Athletes need to constantly try to get better in order to keep advancing in their sport, so being #1 certainly makes some sense as a goal. I guess in the end what really matters is if being #1 is just ONE OF MANY goals that the player has for himself.

They're all competitors and want to win even if it means going to the worst team. Being selected first overall in many peoples view is that they are the best player available, so sure work your butt off and try to be the first because that's what it's all about.