Should the Hawks go after Graham?

[NorthHawk]

BleacherReport suggests they might. After all, the late first round is like a 2nd round selection so giving up 2 2nd rounders for him might work.
And then Irvin would know who Jimmy is.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1981 ... pt=us_bn12

[kalibane]

Give up two first round picks for the right to paya 13 million a year to a TE who can't block in a run first offense? I'm going to say no on that. Seahawks have other guys they need to take care of. Get Jermichael Finley on a "prove it" contract and maybe draft another TE in the middle rounds.

[HumanCockroach]

I'm all for an "athletic TE" that can stretch the field, but I have always viewed that guy as the second TE and relatively cheap ( like Wilsson), for what Graham will cost ( and that is just dollars, not even counting the draft capitol spent) um, I really, REALLY hope the Seahawks aren't even thinking about it.

I would rather they draft a TE like Safarin-Jenkins and hope he can turn into Graham, but with blocking ability.

[Distant Relative]

Pure speculation by Mike Freeman. He has no sources and used the word could to many times in the video.

[RiverDog]

It would be nice to give Russell a big target as we do need to improve on our red zone offense, but we can't afford someone like Graham with the irons we already have in the fire, and as Kal pointed out, we need a tight end that can play in a run orientated offense. I'd rather save the money and hold onto Miller for one more year.

[savvyman]

No.

[Eaglehawk]

No.

+1

[HumanCockroach]

Rather see Carlson come back ( which tells you what I think of dumping 2 first round picks and 13 million a year for half a TE, even IF that half is truly excellent) at least he can slow some people down..... LOL

[monkey]

Graham doesn't even START to fit what we do here. There's simply no way in the world that John and Pete would sign off on giving up not one but two first round picks, plus a huge contract, to get a guy who is hands down, the single worst blocking TE in the NFL today, and who is toilet paper S-O-F-T, soft!

He literally disappears in EVERY big game, the Seahawks completely erased him TWICE in two of the biggest games of the season for the Saints. Against the Patriots, another huge game for the Saints, Talib made him a virtual non-entity.
How much more would he disappear in an offense that throws less than any other team in the NFL?
Graham is the penultimate example of a system player. His insane stats are largely a byproduct of the system he plays in. It's a system with a truly great QB (Drew Brees) who throws to him often, a truly great head coach who designs much of the offense around him, and uses him more like a WR than a TE.
Couple all of that with the fact that he would be getting paid BIG money, more money than the very guys like Sherman and Chancellor and Wright, who made him disappear, and who he tried to start fights with, and I see him as persona non-grata.

[Oly]

Graham doesn't even START to fit what we do here. There's simply no way in the world that John and Pete would sign off on giving up not one but two first round picks, plus a huge contract, to get a guy who WILL NOT block, and who is toilet paper S-O-F-T, soft!
Graham is hands down, the single worst blokcing TE in the NFL today.
He literally disappears in EVERY big game, the Seahawks completely erased him TWICE in two of the biggest games of the season for the Saints. Against the Patriots, another huge game for the Saints, Talib made him a virtual non-entity.
Couple all of that with the fact that he would be getting paid BIG money, more money than the very guys like Sherman and Chancellor and Wright, who made him disappear, and who he tried to start fights with, and I see him as persona non-grata.

Shorter: Hell no.

[monkey]

Shorter: Hell no.

Yup.

[Zorn76]

Once again, the bleacher report reminds me how worthless they really are.

[I-5]

Definitely no

[briwas101]

The Hawks have shown an almost pathological hatred towards using TE for anything but blocking, and we already have discussed the possibility of Miller being cut precisely because his salary is based on offensive production in OAK and does not match up with how they use him here, so why would the Hawks want to go out and start the process over of wasting a TE?

If they want a veteran TE target they should just stick with the one they have and actually use him. I see a solid future for Willson as well so it's not like we don't already have options at TE.

If Ebron is on the board at 32 (highly unlikely) then i'd take him, or Safarian-Jenkins if they think they can trade back into the 2nd round and pick him up, but again this all hinges on whether or not they would actually use TEs in the passing game.



Besides, don't all guys agree scoring feels better without a Jimmy?

[c_hawkbob]

With the way we like to use 2 and 3 TE sets, sure we should ... but not for 2 firsts.

And especially not for 2 fifths!

[4XPIPS]

What about the other Graham, as in Garrett Graham?

I know this is off subject but since there is talks about Zach being a bit over payed, how about a proven role player at TE like Garrett Graham. Caught 47 passes 5 TDs last year. Not to mention he had brain damage Matt Schaub and Case Keenum Tossing him passes, and he had to spell Owen Daniels.

I think we maybe pretty thin at TE if we let Miller go, and don't restructure his deal. It will leave us with just Luke Wilson, and who know what Anthony McCoy is like after his surgery. Garrett could be a nice fit in our offense

[NorthHawk]

Good call, 4XPIPS.
He sounds like a possible target should we go the FA route being that he is not talked about much. It seems like a Schneider type of move.
What's Garrett Grahams' blocking like?

[Vegaseahawk]

Graham is a stud, there's no doubt about it. But his price tag is way too high, even considering the fact that Seattle's 2 first rounders are at the bottom of the round. We don't need a pass catching TE. Especially one who isn't that strong in the run blocking scheme. I'd rather see the Seahawks pickup Carlson who was released by the Vikes. A much cheaper option.

[HumanCockroach]

Good call, 4XPIPS.
He sounds like a possible target should we go the FA route being that he is not talked about much. It seems like a Schneider type of move.
What's Garrett Grahams' blocking like?

I don't think Houstons going to let him walk, that said I assume his blocking is solid, based on the running game Houston continues to produce. Not sure it's Miller effective, but I am pretty sure I could block more effectively than Graham, LOL the dude doesn't like contact, and it is pretty clear he is a receiver in a TE's body......

[Seahawks4Ever]

Put me down for Hell NO!

If Miller is too expensive then Graham would be waay to expensive.

The only reason Miler didn't have the production he should have was because our O-Line couldn't get the job done with out Miller chip blocking. I would love to be able to keep Miller, but if other teams offer what we cannot then I will have to be sad to see him go.

One thing we really need to do is to seriously upgrade our O-Line. that should be our #1 off season priority.

[Zorn76]

Put me down for Hell NO!

If Miller is too expensive then Graham would be waay to expensive.

The only reason Miler didn't have the production he should have was because our O-Line couldn't get the job done with out Miller chip blocking. I would love to be able to keep Miller, but if other teams offer what we cannot then I will have to be sad to see him go.

One thing we really need to do is to seriously upgrade our O-Line. that should be our #1 off season priority.

Preaching to the choir that I'm in here:)

IMO, it almost needs an overhaul like we did with our secondary a couple yrs ago.

[HumanCockroach]

So much for Carlson making a comeback in Seattle. Signed a two year deal in the desert, 4.5 million. Pretty cheap option, maybe Finley who supposedly are getting interest in Seattle. Maybe a "prove it" contract.....

[mykc14]

no

[HumanCockroach]

Don't misunderstand me bringing it up as a desire to sign the guy. Like I said, I would prefer they draft another TE. Carlson would have been a serviceable cheap option, that said, I am not interested in Graham, or Finley, just regurgitating information from NFL network.

[4XPIPS]

Good call, 4XPIPS.
He sounds like a possible target should we go the FA route being that he is not talked about much. It seems like a Schneider type of move.
What's Garrett Grahams' blocking like?

I don't think Houstons going to let him walk, that said I assume his blocking is solid, based on the running game Houston continues to produce. Not sure it's Miller effective, but I am pretty sure I could block more effectively than Graham, LOL the dude doesn't like contact, and it is pretty clear he is a receiver in a TE's body......

--- ok but if Houston won't let him go, why haven't they signed him already? Out of all TEs out on the market he offers the best value. He has improved his blocking. He could come at a bargain price. He won't light the stats up like Jimmy, but I think Garret Graham would be a good value signing, if we choose to do something with Zach. At this point Zach makes a lot of money for his output. He probably won't sign with Seattle, but bang for buck he is best TE on market.

[monkey]

Good call, 4XPIPS.
He sounds like a possible target should we go the FA route being that he is not talked about much. It seems like a Schneider type of move.
What's Garrett Grahams' blocking like?

I don't think Houstons going to let him walk, that said I assume his blocking is solid, based on the running game Houston continues to produce. Not sure it's Miller effective, but I am pretty sure I could block more effectively than Graham, LOL the dude doesn't like contact, and it is pretty clear he is a receiver in a TE's body......

--- ok but if Houston won't let him go, why haven't they signed him already? Out of all TEs out on the market he offers the best value. He has improved his blocking. He could come at a bargain price. He won't light the stats up like Jimmy, but I think Garret Graham would be a good value signing, if we choose to do something with Zach. At this point Zach makes a lot of money for his output. He probably won't sign with Seattle, but bang for buck he is best TE on market.

I'm with you on this one.
Some have mentioned Brandon Pettigrew, who isn't half bad either, but for my money, Garrett Graham is just a bit better.
Personally I think either one would be a nice addition if needed, I'm just not convinced that we need one since Miller looks like he'll be returning again (probably for the last year).
My guess is we go with what we have, and if we sign a free agent tight end it will be our own Anthony McCoy. That's just a guess of course, but I don't see us paying for two starters obviously, and we have Miller's heir apparent already with Willson, so all we need is depth, which we can get cheap with McCoy, and if they want, they can draft a younger better option.
IMO Tight end just isn't the need people think it is.