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Desean Jackson Released
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:59 amby kalibane
Not really interested in him but this merits watching because he's exactly the type of WR I dont' want to see with San Francisco. I'm hoping that he really is consumed with greed as has been widely reported and allows the Oakland Raiders to completely overpay him with all that salary cap space.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:14 amby NorthHawk
Comment from ProFootballTalk:
"Teams that definitely were interested in Jackson (although not at $10.5 million for 2014) at a time when he was merely on the trading block included the 49ers, Seahawks, and Jets. Teams like the Patriots and Raiders also could be thrown into the mix."
Looks like we were interested at one time.
I'm not sure how he would fit with Harvin here. I see them as similar types.
Maybe it was just talk by the agent to try to get some interest for his client.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:25 amby kalibane
Harvin is a much more complete player. Jackson has a tendency to completely disappear at times and then explode for a few big plays. They need someone bigger on the outside. From what I've heard the Seahawks "interest" in Jackson was overblown. But I guess we'll see now that he can sign with anyone.
But the one thing he can do is really stretch the field and is also a good punt returner. It would add a whole new dimension to the SF offense.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:29 amby HumanCockroach
Is the Seahawks interest a new thing? Or possibly an old ( pre Harvin trade) thing? Because I hadn't read them as being interested before now... Seems to me, that the Seahawks "interest" will be thrown out there with every big name free agent to raise a players market..
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:39 amby kalibane
They were reportedly interested when he was put on the trade block. But I think that interest was more in line with the way Bill Belichek calls about nearly every big name player put on the trade block just to see if he can find a steal.
I mean if you can get him to restructure and it costs a 6th round pick... why not, right? But I think that's as far as it went. I don't think if they are only willing to give tate 4.5 million that they would be willing to pay Jackson what he wants.
I'd also like to cite this as Exhibit A why there is no need to panic about the Offensive line yet. If players the caliber of Jackson are being given their outright release in the prime of their career there is still plenty of time to see if some offensive linemen shake loose.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:54 amby monkey
I'm not an expert, but I would guess the Seahawks interest goes something like this: We have Percy Harvin so don't really need another receiver who is not as good, but plays and is built in a similar way, however, Harvin is often injured, so FOR THE RIGHT PRICE, we would be remiss if we didn't at least look into him.
He's not an "X" receiver which is what the Seahawks really want, and which is why they let Tate walk for much less than what it would cost to get Jackson.
My guess is, the odds of the Seahawks getting Jackson are right around .00001%, because we already HAD a guy much like Jackson, in Golden Tate, only he didn't have the attitude problems Jackson has, and wanted less money, and seemed to genuinely want to stay here in Seattle.
Personally I think it would be pretty stupid to let go of one receiver who really liked it here, and was willing to play for somewhat less than what he had realistically earned, because he's redundant with Harvin here, only to pick up another redundant receiver, only one who really isn't much better, has attitude problems and will want a lot more money, all while not being familiar with the team, the team's culture and the city.
In other words, the front office is just doing their due diligence looking into Jackson. They're just doing their jobs, nothing more.
Now if a Big Mike Williams clone got cut...I think the front office would be all over that like stink on poop.
EDIT: Wish I'd noticed Kalibane's post before typing all of mine out, he said it better and more succinctly.
kalibane wrote:They were reportedly interested when he was put on the trade block. But I think that interest was more in line with the way Bill Belichek calls about nearly every big name player put on the trade block just to see if he can find a steal.
I mean if you can get him to restructure and it costs a 6th round pick... why not, right? But I think that's as far as it went. I don't think if they are only willing to give tate 4.5 million that they would be willing to pay Jackson what he wants.
I'd also like to cite this as Exhibit A why there is no need to panic about the Offensive line yet. If players the caliber of Jackson are being given their outright release in the prime of their career there is still plenty of time to see if some offensive linemen shake loose.
THIS^^^^^every single thing about this^^^^ is exactly right IMO.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:18 amby Hawktawk
It has been reported that Jackson has ties to gang members in California who are suspected of 2 murders.He also was skipping meetings and workouts to hang with his posse. Shades of Aaron Hernandez. No wonder nobody bit on a trade. It will be really interesting to see how this plays out.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:49 amby monkey
Hawktawk wrote:It has been reported that Jackson has ties to gang members in California who are suspected of 2 murders.He also was skipping meetings and workouts to hang with his posse. Shades of Aaron Hernandez. No wonder nobody bit on a trade. It will be really interesting to see how this plays out.
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2014/03/eagles_desean_jackson_off-the-field_troubles.htmlYeah, after reading that, I want no part of him, even though he's not directly involved that we know of, his associations are more than a bit troubling. The fact that he apparently likes to hang with active gang members and murderers...tells you why they probably released him.
My guess is the Eagles found out more about him than they wanted to know and had no choice but to release him.
Remember when people called Richard Sherman, self proclaimed nerd, a thug? Jackson may or may not actually be one, but he DEFINITELY is a wannabe thug, he's definitely caught up in the lifestyle. That's troubling any way you slice it.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:31 pmby Eaglehawk
Just finished reading the article. I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.
His statement told me everything in another article. He never mentioned that he flashed gang signs during the Redskins game. If that were me I would have said heck no! I never meant that, it was to mean something else, blah blah blah. But he remained silent.
As for PC and company all I have to say is that CURIOSITY KILLED THE CAT.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:38 pmby kalibane
Curiosity also led to the Beastmode and Percy Harvin.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:23 pmby c_hawkbob
Pete has shown interest in DeSean in the past and I trust his judgment as to a potential player's character. If DeSean winds up a Seahawk, I'm in. If not, I'm cool with that too.
The following is from a Niners beat writer:
The walls of San Quentin crossed my mind Friday morning when I saw that DeSean Jackson had been released by the Philadelphia Eagles, reportedly because of concerns about his personal life.The NFL team concluded its star wide receiver has many associations with the criminal element. He most assuredly does. But it's more complicated than appears on the surface.
I don't know if Jackson is a gang member or has gang affiliations, but I know he grew up surrounded by the culture. He also knows it is, figuratively and often literally, a dead end. See, I've been to prison with DeSean. I've seen him walk the yard as if it were his old neighborhood, shaking hands and embracing inmates and engaging them in animated conversation. I was just a few feet away.
Back in May 2011, when I was a Bay Area News Group columnist, DeSean's brother, Byron, invited me to join their small group visiting the notorious state prison on the northwest shore of San Francisco Bay. I accepted, curious to see and hear a millionaire NFL star's personal interaction with murderers and rapists and others confined to the margins of society.
DeSean was tremendous, speaking with authority and clarity about his own experience in Los Angeles, talking about friends he had lost to prison or death as a result of the gang lifestyle.
He told me he saw a lot of people at the Q who grew up as he did, navigating violent streets and hoping to survive. Some did. Others did not. DeSean said he always looked to his brother -- Byron Jackson had a brief NFL career -- and their father for guidance.
Jackson said something else that struck a chord: Gangbangers, sensing his bright athletic future, protected him, insulating him from danger. The thugs told him he was going places, and they did not want to be responsible for shattering his dream.
Jackson that day spent several hours at the Q, listening as much as he talked. This was his second trip to the prison and he said he was compelled to visit because doing so reminds him of what he has overcome and, above all, keeps him grounded.
One of the last things he said after the nearly three-hour visit was that he would be back. That he felt the need to return. It was evident Jackson clicked with the inmates and their stories. They also recognized Jackson and his story. There was a bond from shared experiences. In an NFL rightly concerned with its image -- particularly with former Patriots star Aaron Hernandez facing murder charges -- such a bond puts Jackson a bit too close to discomfort.
Jackson on Friday issued a statement saying he is not and never has been part of any gang. He is, however, among hundreds of pro athletes personally familiar with the gang culture. It's almost unavoidable these days. Hall of Famer Jim Brown has spent decades explaining this to anybody who cares to listen.
The Eagles concluded, at least for public consumption, that they were not willing to take the chance on Jackson. Other teams will, and he will land with one of them. As we said, it's more complicated than it may appear. A lot more complicated.
Sound pretty similar to Lynch's story don't it?
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:06 pmby Futureite
He is coming to the Bay to dominate his western division rivals. Just accept it. You'll hear a lot of Shaub to Jackson in the future
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Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:16 pmby briwas101
kalibane wrote:Curiosity also led to the Beastmode and Percy Harvin.
sorry for trolling.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:25 pmby HumanCockroach
According to those that didn't like the trade, I'll wait to see him more than 2 and 1/2 games before judging that idea a "bad" decision. Seems to me, that he looked pretty damn good in the SB.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:08 pmby c_hawkbob
Did you watch the Super Bowl briwas? Having Harvin on the team was extremely positive in that moderately important game, as will having him finally healthy for next season.
Everybody quite rightly talks about improving our pass protection being such a priority ... well nothing we can do will keep a pass rushing end home for a step like the threat of one of those blindingly quick hitting end arounds to Harvin! Our entire offense,and most particularly both DangerRuss and Beast will benefit hugely from a healthy Harvin.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:32 pmby Zorn76
No thanks.
While I think there's more to DeSean than how he's portrayed - as c_bob's article post pointed out - he's still too much of a tool to bring into the mix here.
He's gonna want ( and will likely get) way more than we could offer anyway. I'd take a flier on Kenny Britt, which I know sounds a bit strange since he has his own issues, but the money would be a whole lot less, and he doesn't have the same strong personality that Jackson does. DJ needs to be the main guy, and it wouldn't be long before his twitter bashing or sound bites would make headlines.
RW would get an earful from this guy if he wasn't the main target. You just know it.
I don't think we end up with either KB or Jackson, and that's fine with me, all things considered.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:43 pmby Hawktawk
Jackson reminds me of the Chris Carter situation. Buddy Ryan up and cut him and it dogged Ryan for the rest of his career. But now we know that Carter was a coke head and alcoholic among other things and he says Buddy saved his life by waking him up. I wish the same for Mr Jackson, even if I don't want the Hawks to be his halfway house. Oh and BTW, it doesn't matter if he goes to the 9ers as long as they have a guy who cant read the field trying to get him the ball. He'd be another guy for Copperd***ck to lock onto.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:06 amby briwas101
c_hawkbob wrote:Did you watch the Super Bowl briwas? Having Harvin on the team was extremely positive in that moderately important game, as will having him finally healthy for next season.
Everybody quite rightly talks about improving our pass protection being such a priority ... well nothing we can do will keep a pass rushing end home for a step like the threat of one of those blindingly quick hitting end arounds to Harvin! Our entire offense,and most particularly both DangerRuss and Beast will benefit hugely from a healthy Harvin.
Sorry, some opinions should be kept to myself.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:09 amby HumanCockroach
Yep, that post shows no bias. LMAO you should watch Harvin, instead of simply getting bent out of shape about how he was acquired, and how much he makes. He wasn't being talked about as an MVP because he couldn't catch the ball or run some routes. SMH.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:19 amby briwas101
HumanCockroach wrote:Yep, that post shows no bias. LMAO you should watch Harvin, instead of simply getting bent out of shape about how he was acquired, and how much he makes. He wasn't being talked about as an MVP because he couldn't catch the ball or run some routes. SMH.
im done
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:58 amby RiverDog
I don't know alot about the facts surrounding Jackson's alleged involvement in gangs, but the fact that Philly couldn't get anyone to bite when they put him on the trading block must mean that there is some truth to the accusations, or at least caused enough doubt to make him a bad risk, so I'd rather stay clear of him. But if PC and JS believe in him and we can get him cheap, I won't object. This isn't like the Percy Harvin deal where we were/are risking all those draft choices and a boat load of money.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Sat Mar 29, 2014 3:15 amby Eaglehawk
RiverDog wrote:I don't know alot about the facts surrounding Jackson's alleged involvement in gangs, but the fact that Philly couldn't get anyone to bite when they put him on the trading block must mean that there is some truth to the accusations, or at least caused enough doubt to make him a bad risk, so I'd rather stay clear of him. But if PC and JS believe in him and we can get him cheap, I won't object. This isn't like the Percy Harvin deal where we were/are risking all those draft choices and a boat load of money.
My father used to tell me in Spanish: Dime con quien andas y te dire quien eres. Tell me who are your friends, and I will tell you who YOU are.
His friendships will cost him millions, IMO. In that he will definitely get lower offers than he would have normally received. Should be interesting to see if PC bites. He does fit the profile. Someone made a good point about Lynch. This guy is, streetwise, a choirboy compared to the old Lynch. Maybe his thinking can be rehabilitated.
Pretty sure PC will not bite though, too much money.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Sat Mar 29, 2014 3:30 amby RiverDog
Eaglehawk wrote:RiverDog wrote:I don't know alot about the facts surrounding Jackson's alleged involvement in gangs, but the fact that Philly couldn't get anyone to bite when they put him on the trading block must mean that there is some truth to the accusations, or at least caused enough doubt to make him a bad risk, so I'd rather stay clear of him. But if PC and JS believe in him and we can get him cheap, I won't object. This isn't like the Percy Harvin deal where we were/are risking all those draft choices and a boat load of money.
My father used to tell me in Spanish: Dime con quien andas y te dire quien eres. Tell me who are your friends, and I will tell you who YOU are.
His friendships will cost him millions, IMO. In that he will definitely get lower offers than he would have normally received. Should be interesting to see if PC bites. He does fit the profile. Someone made a good point about Lynch. This guy is, streetwise, a choirboy compared to the old Lynch. Maybe his thinking can be rehabilitated.
Pretty sure PC will not bite though, too much money.
A wise man, your father was/is. Fair or not, that's life. You are defined by the company you keep, good or bad. Same goes with your appearance, how you dress, your mannerisms, etc.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:44 amby HumanCockroach
Yep, perception is reality, I hate it, don't agree with it, and for decades railed against it, but it is how the world works, old enough now to accept it ( even if I refuse to conform in every way) but it's part of life. I would do some serious in depth investigation if I was Seattle and thinking about adding Jackson, can't ignore his talent and where a player comes from isn't the same as how he lives his life currently, lot of players in NFL history that came from that life style, if he continues to be submerged in it though, might be wise to move on from the thought. If that isn't the case, they could do a lot worse than Jackson on a cheap contract....
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:37 pmby c_hawkbob
briwas101 wrote:c_hawkbob wrote:Did you watch the Super Bowl briwas? Having Harvin on the team was extremely positive in that moderately important game, as will having him finally healthy for next season.
Everybody quite rightly talks about improving our pass protection being such a priority ... well nothing we can do will keep a pass rushing end home for a step like the threat of one of those blindingly quick hitting end arounds to Harvin! Our entire offense,and most particularly both DangerRuss and Beast will benefit hugely from a healthy Harvin.
Sorry, some opinions should be kept to myself.
Not at all man, by all means express your opinion, that's what a forum's for ... just be prepared to have it disagreed with, cause that's what a forum's for too.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:47 pmby NorthHawk
RiverDog wrote:I don't know alot about the facts surrounding Jackson's alleged involvement in gangs, but the fact that Philly couldn't get anyone to bite when they put him on the trading block must mean that there is some truth to the accusations, or at least caused enough doubt to make him a bad risk, so I'd rather stay clear of him. But if PC and JS believe in him and we can get him cheap, I won't object. This isn't like the Percy Harvin deal where we were/are risking all those draft choices and a boat load of money.
Some of that might be true, but I think a large measure was teams who really covet him need all the picks they can get or don't have the Cap space so they waited until he was free (from a compensation PoV) to possibly make a decision on him.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:06 pmby RiverDog
NorthHawk wrote:RiverDog wrote:I don't know alot about the facts surrounding Jackson's alleged involvement in gangs, but the fact that Philly couldn't get anyone to bite when they put him on the trading block must mean that there is some truth to the accusations, or at least caused enough doubt to make him a bad risk, so I'd rather stay clear of him. But if PC and JS believe in him and we can get him cheap, I won't object. This isn't like the Percy Harvin deal where we were/are risking all those draft choices and a boat load of money.
Some of that might be true, but I think a large measure was teams who really covet him need all the picks they can get or don't have the Cap space so they waited until he was free (from a compensation PoV) to possibly make a decision on him.
Considering Jackson is a bona fide Pro Bowler that had a solid season last year and is still relatively young, it would seem to me that there would be a lot of teams that wouldn't mind spending a paltry 4th or 5th round draft choice on him had it not been for all his baggage. Indeed, had it been last year, prior to the Aaron Hernandez crimes, someone might have been willing to take him in. IMO Jackson's association with gangs is the primary reason teams are shying away from him.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:49 amby Zorn76
I dunno. The gang angle seems pretty weak to me, but, maybe that is part of the reason he hasn't landed with another team yet.
For myself, the main issue is his attitude in general. And I just don't see it improving enough to be worth the risk, let alone the contract he's likely to get coming up.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:07 amby Eaglehawk
Zorn76 wrote:I dunno. The gang angle seems pretty weak to me, but, maybe that is part of the reason he hasn't landed with another team yet.
For myself, the main issue is his attitude in general. And I just don't see it improving enough to be worth the risk, let alone the contract he's likely to get coming up.
Whoh haz, did I miss something here? I don't recall reading anything about his attitude. I haven't been keeping up with this guy, but I really missed the 411 with his attitude other than the gang friendships.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:32 amby RiverDog
Eaglehawk wrote:Zorn76 wrote:I dunno. The gang angle seems pretty weak to me, but, maybe that is part of the reason he hasn't landed with another team yet.
For myself, the main issue is his attitude in general. And I just don't see it improving enough to be worth the risk, let alone the contract he's likely to get coming up.
Whoh haz, did I miss something here? I don't recall reading anything about his attitude. I haven't been keeping up with this guy, but I really missed the 411 with his attitude other than the gang friendships.
It's not just the gang rumors that has caused Jackson to fall from grace in Philly. He's had difficulties in the locker room as well. Given the opportunity to speak out in support of his receiving corps partner, Jeremy Maclin gave less than enthusiastic support, his presence has been characterized as "not a good fit" with the locker room culture Chip Kelly is trying to promote, etc. There also seems to be some funny business surrounding the supposed burglary at Jackson's house, he's had difficulty with his receiving coach, etc.
Here's a timeline of some of his troubles.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2014 ... gency-2014
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:03 amby MackStrongIsMyHero
LAPD doesn't seem to be too concerned about it; they're likening it to "5 Degrees to Kevin Bacon". Makes you wonder if you could do the same thing with Sherman or anybody that grew up in a rough neighborhood.
http://q.usatoday.com/2014/03/29/lapd-d ... ia-eagles/I wouldn't doubt the Seahawks are checking out the possibility of getting him, but, even should this gang connection prove benign, I don't think he'd come to play here. Not enough passes to go around in this run first offense, unless he truly would be satisfied with probably his best shot at a ring. He's also likely cost prohibitive.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:37 amby RiverDog
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:LAPD doesn't seem to be too concerned about it; they're likening it to "5 Degrees to Kevin Bacon". Makes you wonder if you could do the same thing with Sherman or anybody that grew up in a rough neighborhood.
http://q.usatoday.com/2014/03/29/lapd-d ... ia-eagles/I wouldn't doubt the Seahawks are checking out the possibility of getting him, but, even should this gang connection prove benign, I don't think he'd come to play here. Not enough passes to go around in this run first offense, unless he truly would be satisfied with probably his best shot at a ring. He's also likely cost prohibitive.
Not only are there not enough footballs to go around in Seattle, there's not enough greenbacks, either. The only way the Hawks would bring him in would be at a substantially reduced price, and I think there's going to be enough of a market out there for him that he'll end up with a pretty fair payday.
I don't know enough about Jackson's alleged gang activity to venture an opinion, but I do know that where there's smoke, there's usually a fire, and this stuff about Jackson, the burglary at his house, the rumors about his gang connections, the quasi locker room issues, makes me smell a fish. Something about this guy isn't right, and there should be a great big "Buyer Beware" sign hanging around his neck.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:44 pmby Clem7
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:29 amby c_hawkbob
I agree with Sherm but I can also see the eagles being rightfully concerned about him throwing out gang signs in an Eagles uniform ... protecting their brand and all.
Sherm and Beast have done a real good job of staying true to their roots while keepeing the culture in which they both were raised separate from their NFL life. Maybe DeSean needs to take note.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:02 amby NorthHawk
I was listening to NFL Radio on the way to work this morning and one of the comments struck me.
They said sometimes when things go bad between a player and coach or staff, the negatives get thrown around easily. As well one of them (it might have been Amani Toomer) said the team has to justify to its fan base releasing Jackson so there might have been a bit of a smear campaign going on to mitigate negative fan reaction.
Who are we to judge someone else's character with only hearsay and without all of the facts?
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:03 amby RiverDog
NorthHawk wrote:I was listening to NFL Radio on the way to work this morning and one of the comments struck me.
They said sometimes when things go bad between a player and coach or staff, the negatives get thrown around easily. As well one of them (it might have been Amani Toomer) said the team has to justify to its fan base releasing Jackson so there might have been a bit of a smear campaign going on to mitigate negative fan reaction.
Who are we to judge someone else's character with only hearsay and without all of the facts?
I'm sure there are some that used that line of defense to justify some of Aaron Hernandez's behavior. IMO had this stuff climaxed a year ago before Hernandez's crimes, it might not have been such a big issue. Teams seem pretty sensitive to their players even remotely being associated with illegal activity, and rightfully so.
It also doesn't explain the somewhat luke warm attitude some of his teammates have towards Jackson. There certainly isn't an outpouring of outrage one would expect with the release of a Pro Bowl caliber player. Here's the reaction of the Eagles starting center to the news:
Philadelphia center Jason Kelce tweeted: "We just made an extremely unpopular decision, but I couldn't be more excited and happy with where this organization is going!! #FlyEaglesFly
Jeremy Maclin compared Jackson's situation to T.O.'s a few years back. I wouldn't take that as a compliment. Although there isn't a bona fide locker room cancer like there was when T.O. was with the team, what I'm hearing out of Philly's locker room is that the team understands the Eagles predicament.
Jackson will get his opportunity to clear his name, it just won't be with the Eagles. Here's a pretty good article that chronicles Jackson's fall from grace with the Eagles:
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2014 ... ubles.html
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:21 pmby HumanCockroach
Not a lot of information in that article that makes me believe he is a gang member or really even affiliated with them in any way other than a report that he "threw up neighborhood gang signs in a game". The "cc" comment about a guy on his label ( ie an employee) seems justifiable or at least verifiable to me.
The guy was acquitted of the murder charge, which seems to point towards an employee of Jacksons record label having gang ties, not Jackson having them, and the connection of a building a relative leased having really anything to do with Jackson strikes me as a stretching to connect him. If anything that article removes any concerns I have for him being part of or tied into the Crips.
Simply don't believe in guilt by association. Seems to me, people are attempting to paint him with a pretty liberal brush on this one.
That said, the work habits seem far more important to me. The gang stuff is guessing and hearsay, at least at this point.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:30 pmby RiverDog
HumanCockroach wrote:Not a lot of information in that article that makes me believe he is a gang member or really even affiliated with them in any way other than a report that he "threw up neighborhood gang signs in a game". The "cc" comment about a guy on his label ( ie an employee) seems justifiable or at least verifiable to me.
The guy was acquitted of the murder charge, which seems to point towards an employee of Jacksons record label having gang ties, not Jackson having them, and the connection of a building a relative leased having really anything to do with Jackson strikes me as a stretching to connect him. If anything that article removes any concerns I have for him being part of or tied into the Crips.
Simply don't believe in guilt by association. Seems to me, people are attempting to paint him with a pretty liberal brush on this one.
That said, the work habits seem far more important to me. The gang stuff is guessing and hearsay, at least at this point.
From a law enforcement perspective, you're absolutely correct. The police have specifically said that Jackson was never a suspect in any crime, that they interviewed him and that he was cooperative. If I were in Jackson's position and on trial, I would certainly want people with your objectivity on my jury.
But that's beside the point. The Eagles are reading between the lines, seeing a progressively negative change in Jackson's attitude, his being late for meetings, took note of the company he's been keeping, his differences with the coaching staff, etc. The gang stuff makes an already difficult problem intolerable. IMO they're nipping it in the bud and taking care of the problem before it becomes a crisis, and I don't blame them a bit for cutting their losses with this guy. Apparently the rest of the league has caught the same drift, and has been unwilling to risk capital resources like draft choices, and if any do sign him, it will no doubt be with plenty of strings attached.
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:29 pmby Zorn76
Looks like Redskins are one of 2 that seem to have serious interest...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10702 ... an-jackson If he ends up in DC, I don't see it working out real well there. Bad locker room to begin with.
KC makes sense, with the Reid connection. As long as he stays out of our division, I'm good:)
Re: Desean Jackson Released
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:43 pmby HumanCockroach
Zorn76 wrote:Looks like Redskins are one of 2 that seem to have serious interest...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10702 ... an-jackson If he ends up in DC, I don't see it working out real well there. Bad locker room to begin with.
KC makes sense, with the Reid connection. As long as he stays out of our division, I'm good:)
Supposedly KC pulled out as they have just enough to sign their draft picks, Oakland is a serious contender for his services. I was thinking Gus might look into it, if for no other reason as it mimics Seattles theory on outside play makers.... but who really knows? Something tells me he truly is going to the highest bidder ( Oakland) and will then start to make noise about how woefully underpaid he is a year into the contract ( maybe sooner).... He actually would fit in a couple places talent wise insanely well ( NE, Houston, Jets,Miami pretty much any team with a stud receiver and no one to pair up with him, Cincy etc), but not sure the headache of a player that tends to think only of himself is helping him much ( along with work ethic questions, missed meetings etc).
I know I would be ok, with him in Seattle for the right "risk/reward" type contract, but he will be in demand, and Seattle has bigger fish to fry at the moment. That said, am I the only one that sees what a nightmare it would be for opposing defenses to face Harvin and Jackson on the outside, along with a strong running game and a mobile QB? I can't be the only one that sees that as pretty much unstoppable. Just sayin, not bemoaning them not making a play for him, just see the nightmare that would cause every defense in the league.