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Here's mine:

Qb (2): Wilson, Jackson

RB (5): Lynch, Michael, Turbin, Coleman, Small * Bold prediction. I think Small is our new starting fullback next year, with Coleman as the backup.

WR (6): Harvin, Baldwin, Kearse, Richardson, Norwood, Matthews

TE (3): Miller, Willson, McCoy

OL (12): Okung, Carpenter, Unger, Sweezy, Bowie, Scott, Bailey, Jeanpierre, Britt, Gilliam, Smith, Schilling

DL (10): Arvil, Bennett, Mayowa, Mebane, McDaniel, Marsh, Hill, Williams, Scruggs, Staten (? not sold on that one.)

LB (6): Wright, Irvin, Wagner, Smith, Coyle, Pierre-Lewis

DB (9): Sherman, Maxwell, Thomas, Chancellor, Simon, Johnson, Shead, Pinkins, Lane

Special (3): Jon Ryan, Steven Hauschka, Clint Gresham

Anyone else want to play? Got a better guess? Wanna tell me I am stupid?

I definitely think they will find a spot for Schofield on that roster somewhere, and with the exception of my belief Mathews ends up on the PS with Rice garnering the last spot on the 53, it's a pretty solid list overall. There will be some undrafted player that pushes his way onto the squad as well ( my guess would be Jeffcoat being on this team when they break camp) I thinly anyone can come up with a list of "highly likely" just based on what we know about how they have performed, the o-line and receivers will be FUN to watch this pre season, and I would say it is Likely they pick up a few more prior to the start of the regular campaign, with possibly one of them leapfrogging someone that at this point one would think makes the roster.

I wouldn't be surprised to also see only two TE's to begin the year again. McCoy improved drastically at catching the ball before his injury, but I'm not entirely sure coming off not playing football for a season that they don't go with either some random guy like Beckham or find another teams "cut" to be more intriguing. It will be fun to watch. Wasn't all that long ago I would watch those meaningless games hoping to find a starter or two because of the holes on this team, now I get to watch to see which backup survives, much more enjoyable, at least for me...

It's going to be interesting to see what they do at both WR and DL.
Pierre-Louis and Pinkins will be 2 new players on Defense to watch in the pre-season along with the 2 from IR last year Williams and Simon.

When I saw the highlights of Marsh, I thought he was Clemons replacement. I'm probably wrong about that, but who will play the role of Bryant?
Maybe they will modify the DL a little to get others more playing time - or maybe Scruggs or Hill end up in Red's old spot.

Any way we look at it the changes will be interesting to see.

Marsh doesn't have the speed to replace Clemons IMO.
He's going to be used more like we use Bennett unless I miss my guess. A tweener type with a non stop motor, who can play all over the line.

monkey wrote:Marsh doesn't have the speed to replace Clemons IMO.
He's going to be used more like we use Bennett unless I miss my guess. A tweener type with a non stop motor, who can play all over the line.

Totally agree, am curious why people continue to wonder "who fills Red's spot" I've seen it numerous times, and I had thought the answer was apparent , both in who had pretty much taken it last season, and in the fact that Carroll came out right after cutting Red and told everyone who that player was by name. Bennett takes Red's spot ( and already had ) maybe it is simply who becomes the "depth" at Red's spot? Not sure, Scruggs could be that guy ( or Marsh for that matter) there has been discussions of also using McDaniel there in certain circumstances. Really NOT concerned, they use guys all over the line, pretty much the only guys that won't play multiple spots along that line ( including most backups) are Avril and Mebane, beyond that? Expect a LOT of movement and rotations.

I might have said that Carpenter could be a surprise cut this season, but we still have a depth issue and an experience issue on the OL plus I've heard he's lost some weight, so I'm guessing he stays.

RiverDog wrote:I might have said that Carpenter could be a surprise cut this season, but we still have a depth issue and an experience issue on the OL plus I've heard he's lost some weight, so I'm guessing he stays.

Honestly I don't know who it would be a Surprise. I might feel dissapointment over it, but surprise? No,I' m one of the few that still holds out hope for the guy, but even I wouldn't be surprised. What sucks is, even if he finds that consistency, and puts it all together, it's to little to late IMO for him to stay in Seattle, because it would be an unwise move to keep him even if he does, because with his inconsistencies, you can't tell if he has finally learned his lesson moving forward, or if he put it together to find another contract, and will revert to his old ways once getting one.....

HumanCockroach wrote:

RiverDog wrote:I might have said that Carpenter could be a surprise cut this season, but we still have a depth issue and an experience issue on the OL plus I've heard he's lost some weight, so I'm guessing he stays.

Honestly I don't know who it would be a Surprise. I might feel dissapointment over it, but surprise? No,I' m one of the few that still holds out hope for the guy, but even I wouldn't be surprised. What sucks is, even if he finds that consistency, and puts it all together, it's to little to late IMO for him to stay in Seattle, because it would be an unwise move to keep him even if he does, because with his inconsistencies, you can't tell if he has finally learned his lesson moving forward, or if he put it together to find another contract, and will revert to his old ways once getting one.....

I guess when a first round draft choice gets cut you can always call it a surprise, kinda like when a terminally ill family member passes away. Even though you've expected it for quite awhile, it's still a surprise when you get that phone call.

I don't hold out a lot of hope for Carpenter, but you never know, especially with these rumors that he's lost some weight. Perhaps he's turned a new leaf and decided to try and get in shape.

HumanCockroach wrote:

RiverDog wrote:I might have said that Carpenter could be a surprise cut this season, but we still have a depth issue and an experience issue on the OL plus I've heard he's lost some weight, so I'm guessing he stays.

Honestly I don't know who it would be a Surprise. I might feel dissapointment over it, but surprise? No,I' m one of the few that still holds out hope for the guy, but even I wouldn't be surprised. What sucks is, even if he finds that consistency, and puts it all together, it's to little to late IMO for him to stay in Seattle, because it would be an unwise move to keep him even if he does, because with his inconsistencies, you can't tell if he has finally learned his lesson moving forward, or if he put it together to find another contract, and will revert to his old ways once getting one.....

HC, I thought you didn't think Carpenter was even close to washing out? Not being able to stay in Seattle looks like a washout to me...

HumanCockroach wrote:

NorthHawk wrote:I'm talking draft.
There is a body of work at the NFL level to compare for Lynch and Giacomini.

Okung - top round pick, not a late round gem
Sweezy - work in progress - still gets beat regularly - jury is still out.
Tate - 2nd round pick - he should have had a good year
Baldwin - great pickup
Carpenter - 1st rounder that is on the verge of washing out if he doesn't take a big step forward
Moffit - washed out
Bowie - might be a good pick, but was not as good as Giacomini (or he would have continued to play when Breno was healthy)
Bailey - might have a future - we don't know yet

Where's the equivalent of Kam, Sherman, Smith, and Maxwell on Offense?
Those were late round gems.



The question wasn't whether Bowie was better than Giacomini, the question was whether Carpenter was better than Giacomini, since you yourself profess he is about to wash out of the NFL ( which by the way isn't close to accurate either) the started Geno ( who could ONLY play tackle) and Bowie at guard.

Your idea of washing out and mine differ greatly. Carpenter is a serviceable lineman, you and others place far to much importance on what "number" they carry, I don't, as far as I'm concerned the number with which they are picked matter until minutes after they are picked, and is then irrelevant. Where you get concerned that Bowie was a seventh round pick, I don't, because his play was better than Okung ( a high first) Carpenter ( a low first in a weak OL draft) Hunger ( a second rounder) etc. I care about performance, NOT some random, worthless number. Carpenter isn't in my book, if he gets cut, a wash out, because he is/ was a starting guard, on a SB winning team. His talent IMHO isn't in question, his consistency is ( which is the case with high first round picks as well). I don't see selections as "waste" like many on here, and as such, my expectations aren't unrealistically high. I grasp that Wilson, Sherman, Maxwell, Thomas, Okung etc all have the same chance and expectations, and as such, the number means nothing.

I remember three years ago when people were INSISTING that a QB had to found in the first round, and only in the first round, because anyone below that couldn't become franchise QB's. The importance of a pick is irrelevant to the performance of the player. Carpenter CAN start in the NFL, which to me doesn't mean "wash out". It's unfortunate, that IMO it won't be in Seattle that he continues, however, not continuing in Seattle, and being a bust, aren't remotely the same thing.

some pretty damn fine players have been cut by the Seahawks, just because this one happens to hold the distinction of the 27th pick in the first round of one draft, isn't going to change my opinion on the talent he possess' whether he lives up to someone's expectations or not.

I've explained how I view the draft numerous times, and I don't place all the importance on one player, or even two players. For me it is about the overall success of the draft as a whole, I'll take a HOF player in the fifth round, and a mediocre player in the first, every year, without batting an eye. Just see things differently than you ( and several others). Maybe your "traditional" and I am not, but personally I'm ECSTATIC about the selections made across the board by this front office, and place no more importance on an "average" players draft position than a great players draft position. Some players are great, some aren't, where they get picked doesn't matter once they put the pads on.

The only guys that I know for sure will make it are Richardson Norwood and our newly drafted OG.

RiverDog wrote:

HumanCockroach wrote:

RiverDog wrote:I might have said that Carpenter could be a surprise cut this season, but we still have a depth issue and an experience issue on the OL plus I've heard he's lost some weight, so I'm guessing he stays.

Honestly I don't know who it would be a Surprise. I might feel dissapointment over it, but surprise? No,I' m one of the few that still holds out hope for the guy, but even I wouldn't be surprised. What sucks is, even if he finds that consistency, and puts it all together, it's to little to late IMO for him to stay in Seattle, because it would be an unwise move to keep him even if he does, because with his inconsistencies, you can't tell if he has finally learned his lesson moving forward, or if he put it together to find another contract, and will revert to his old ways once getting one.....

I guess when a first round draft choice gets cut you can always call it a surprise, kinda like when a terminally ill family member passes away. Even though you've expected it for quite awhile, it's still a surprise when you get that phone call.

I don't hold out a lot of hope for Carpenter, but you never know, especially with these rumors that he's lost some weight. Perhaps he's turned a new leaf and decided to try and get in shape.

He's pretty close to a bust. But I will with hold final judgement until this season is over. I want to see if he can redeem himself.

Eaglehawk wrote:The only guys that I know for sure will make it are Richardson Norwood and our newly drafted OG.

Minor point, but Britt was drafted as a tackle, but a lot of people have speculated that he might be a better fit at OG. Since our most pressing need seems to be at tackle, I expect us to work him out there when camp opens.

RiverDog wrote:

Eaglehawk wrote:The only guys that I know for sure will make it are Richardson Norwood and our newly drafted OG.

Minor point, but Britt was drafted as a tackle, but a lot of people have speculated that he might be a better fit at OG. Since our most pressing need seems to be at tackle, I expect us to work him out there when camp opens.

I'm holding out hope one of the RTs can in fact play LT when required.

Edit: I'm pretty sure I heard Schneider say Britt would be competing for the starting RT spot. There isn't much depth there at this point so it would make sense.

NorthHawk wrote:

RiverDog wrote:

Eaglehawk wrote:The only guys that I know for sure will make it are Richardson Norwood and our newly drafted OG.

Minor point, but Britt was drafted as a tackle, but a lot of people have speculated that he might be a better fit at OG. Since our most pressing need seems to be at tackle, I expect us to work him out there when camp opens.

I'm holding out hope one of the RTs can in fact play LT when required.

Edit: I'm pretty sure I heard Schneider say Britt would be competing for the starting RT spot. There isn't much depth there at this point so it would make sense.

Yes, I think that's the general expectation. It only makes sense to work him out at right tackle first.

RiverDog wrote:

NorthHawk wrote:

RiverDog wrote:
Minor point, but Britt was drafted as a tackle, but a lot of people have speculated that he might be a better fit at OG. Since our most pressing need seems to be at tackle, I expect us to work him out there when camp opens.

I'm holding out hope one of the RTs can in fact play LT when required.

Edit: I'm pretty sure I heard Schneider say Britt would be competing for the starting RT spot. There isn't much depth there at this point so it would make sense.

Yes, I think that's the general expectation. It only makes sense to work him out at right tackle first.

Yup, thanks Riv and NH for your points, yes I agree, his versatility as RT if possible would be absolutely fantastic. I dunno, I have a good feeling about this kid.
That aside, I still think we don't have enough for our OL to step up. Is it just me thinking this way? We improved our offensive weapons, but RW still needs TIME to throw to those weapons. Will he?

RiverDog wrote:

Eaglehawk wrote:The only guys that I know for sure will make it are Richardson Norwood and our newly drafted OG.

Minor point, but Britt was drafted as a tackle, but a lot of people have speculated that he might be a better fit at OG. Since our most pressing need seems to be at tackle, I expect us to work him out there when camp opens.

I think the Hawks are Ok at tackle but agree that depth is a concern, Bowie and Okung will be the tackles more than likely, but as I have continued to point out versatility is a KEY component in what the Hawks look for from their offensive line. Britt's nasty streak lends itself to guard in the NFL, and MANY really excellent tackles start their careers playing guard before moving to tackle a few years down the road, so in this case IMO that is a best case scenario. Starting at guard allows players to learn the speed and intensity it takes to excel at the NFL level. I have little doubt he may at some point play tackle and he will certainly compete for that position with Bowie, but expectations that he can be an effective LT insurance policy is a bit of a reach for a player as a rookie, drafted late in the second round, who many viewed as a fifth round talent. As always he has the opportunity to put his best foot forward, but thinking he can do it, before he even proves he can be an effective guard or RT at the NFL level, is wishes and dreams at this point. Not sure what the Hawks would do, should Okung go down again, maybe slide Bowie over and Bailey or Britt sliding to right tackle, hell maybe even a desperate Carpenter shift back there if neither of those players can perform, but I am supremely confident they have a plan in place...