Holy Crap 9 Games!

[mykc14]

Just heard on NFL Network Aldon Smith suspended 9 games.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Link on ESPN.com

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11432 ... nine-games

The NFL didn't disappoint.

[mykc14]

I am sure he can appeal this and maybe get it reduced. I have to say I am a little surprised by the length of this, was thinking 4 games max. It makes you wonder if the whole Ray Rice suspension, backlash, and then Goodell's admitted mistake influenced his decision at all. You would think that the suspension would be the same without this, but the timing is intriguing.

[rottweiler]

Wow, that's a whole lotta spare change he's gonna miss.

And in the high-dollar real estate of the Bay Area, it just might mean the poor guy'll hafta start mowin' some lawns right now—while the grass is still green—to help pay the rent.

Ouch. Just. Ouch.

[Anthony]

To be honest he got what he deserved and I believe it could easily been worse, about time.

[Futureite]

Wow, that's a whole lotta spare change he's gonna miss.

And in the high-dollar real estate of the Bay Area, it just might mean the poor guy'll hafta start mowin' some lawns right now—while the grass is still green—to help pay the rent.

Ouch. Just. Ouch.

Lol he can room with me. It is totally fair. If you don't want to be in this position, don't give commish the chance to suspend you. Man for all the flak I took on this almost everything I guestimated actually happened.

I did like your post (as always). Made me laugh in the middle of the day.

[mykc14]

Wow, that's a whole lotta spare change he's gonna miss.

And in the high-dollar real estate of the Bay Area, it just might mean the poor guy'll hafta start mowin' some lawns right now—while the grass is still green—to help pay the rent.

Ouch. Just. Ouch.

Lol he can room with me. It is totally fair. If you don't want to be in this position, don't give commish the chance to suspend you. Man for all the flak I took on this almost everything I guestimated actually happened.

I did like your post (as always). Made me laugh in the middle of the day.

What are you talking about? Where did you guestimate 9 games. I remember you guessing 2-4 games and saying the time he lost last year where he 'volunteered' to lose 5 games and go to rehab would keep this suspension down. Maybe you were saying 8 or 9 games combined, but not 9 games this year. You were saying half that.

[mykc14]

Damnit future, my bad. I looked back at your posts in the other thread and your first posts guessed no jail time and 8 games, so your right all of your guestimations came true.

[NorthHawk]

I thought it would be 4 games or less.
I just hope this interruption in his career aids in turning his life around and getting a handle on alcohol.

[HumanCockroach]

Seems fair to me, and not surprising in the least.

[depaashaas]

I am sure he can appeal this and maybe get it reduced. I have to say I am a little surprised by the length of this, was thinking 4 games max. It makes you wonder if the whole Ray Rice suspension, backlash, and then Goodell's admitted mistake influenced his decision at all. You would think that the suspension would be the same without this, but the timing is intriguing.

According to Ian Rapoport he already appealed and lost http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... nine-games

He is how ever able to "remain around the facility"

[HumanCockroach]

I am sure he can appeal this and maybe get it reduced. I have to say I am a little surprised by the length of this, was thinking 4 games max. It makes you wonder if the whole Ray Rice suspension, backlash, and then Goodell's admitted mistake influenced his decision at all. You would think that the suspension would be the same without this, but the timing is intriguing.

According to Ian Rapoport he already appealed and lost http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... nine-games

He is how ever able to "remain around the facility"

Hopefully that doesn't mean the bar down the street.....

[Oly]

I am sure he can appeal this and maybe get it reduced. I have to say I am a little surprised by the length of this, was thinking 4 games max. It makes you wonder if the whole Ray Rice suspension, backlash, and then Goodell's admitted mistake influenced his decision at all. You would think that the suspension would be the same without this, but the timing is intriguing.

+1

The first thing I thought of was Ray Rice, too. It seems drunken rants and threats are worse than cold-clocking your wife.

[Zorn76]

Well, the gavel fell pretty hard in the Good Commish's court.

All bets are off when you've screwed up as much as Aldon has. I mean, just like anybody else (in the league), he put himself at risk for punishment for his transgressions.

And had Roger punished Rice the way he should've, Smith would likely be looking at about the same time he received today anyway. I think that's the point that folks are missing in the blogosphere of social media.

[Futureite]

Damnit future, my bad. I looked back at your posts in the other thread and your first posts guessed no jail time and 8 games, so your right all of your guestimations came true.

Haha no worries at all my man! Cannot be too upset on a Friday .

[Futureite]

Well, the gavel fell pretty hard in the Good Commish's court.

All bets are off when you've screwed up as much as Aldon has. I mean, just like anybody else (in the league), he put himself at risk for punishment for his transgressions.

And had Roger punished Rice the way he should've, Smith would likely be looking at about the same time he received today anyway. I think that's the point that folks are missing in the blogosphere of social media.

Bingo. Said the same thing myself today.

[RiverDog]

For once, I finally hit one correctly. I said anything less than 8 games would be a travesty. This seems fair IMO, especially in light of recent suspensions over the past few months.

The only problem is that the Rams will miss him twice, the Cards once, and us not at all.

[FolkCrusader]

Isn't it the math that was expected? Four games for second violation of the substance abuse policy. One game for first violation of personal conduct policy. Four games for second violation of personal conduct policy. He walked on the airport bomb threat. Although I do think that issue compelled Goodell to not credit time for going to rehab last year since clearly he had continued drinking.

Pretty much in line with what anyone else would have got, he just piled his infractions up like cord wood.

[RiverDog]

Isn't it the math that was expected? Four games for second violation of the substance abuse policy. One game for first violation of personal conduct policy. Four games for second violation of personal conduct policy. He walked on the airport bomb threat. Although I do think that issue compelled Goodell to not credit time for going to rehab last year since clearly he had continued drinking.
Pretty much in line with what anyone else would have got, he just piled his infractions up like cord wood.

Not if you listened to guys like Futureite, who said that Smith's intent was pure, that he had already served a self imposed suspension, yada yada yada.

I wondered about your last statement, too. Smith claimed that he hadn't touched a drop since he dried out, yet if I recall, the security guards and police during the airport incident stated that Smith appeared to have been drinking. I wonder if he lied to Goodell about his supposed abstinence, and that's what earned him the extra game.

[RiverDog]

Well, the gavel fell pretty hard in the Good Commish's court.

All bets are off when you've screwed up as much as Aldon has. I mean, just like anybody else (in the league), he put himself at risk for punishment for his transgressions.

And had Roger punished Rice the way he should've, Smith would likely be looking at about the same time he received today anyway. I think that's the point that folks are missing in the blogosphere of social media.

Rice was one precident, Josh Gordon was another. Goodell couldn't have let Smith off with a 2 gamer like what was being reported a couple months ago. Once he brought the hammer down on those guys, there would have been a riot if he let Smith off easy.

[Futureite]

Well, the gavel fell pretty hard in the Good Commish's court.

All bets are off when you've screwed up as much as Aldon has. I mean, just like anybody else (in the league), he put himself at risk for punishment for his transgressions.

And had Roger punished Rice the way he should've, Smith would likely be looking at about the same time he received today anyway. I think that's the point that folks are missing in the blogosphere of social media.

Rice was one precident, Josh Gordon was another. Goodell couldn't have let Smith off with a 2 gamer like what was being reported a couple months ago. Once he brought the hammer down on those guys, there would have been a riot if he let Smith off easy.

The hammer? 2 games is a hammer? Lol the only riot fir a lesser suspension would have been in Seattle or possibly some other NFC West rival's city. People in general didn't give 2 shyts about Aldon's behavior. Another thing we argued about; no one was hurt, no real intent to hurt anyone was displayed = public at large not caring. But people did give 2 shyts about Rice, because someone did get hurt and he intended to do it. The public's reaction to the actions of both players was night and day different. I do not.mind saying for all the heat I took about my opinion on that here, it was the correct one.

[NorthHawk]

Florio at PFT suggests that the suspension could end up being less:

"Speaking of nine games, we (or at least I) continue to believe that, with good behavior and given that Smith apparently waived his appeal rights under both policies, he possibly will be reinstated in fewer than nine games, if he can stay out of trouble and otherwise do what is expected of him."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... uspension/

I assume he probably has access to or contacts that can provide the actual text of the CBA and being a lawyer he has the ability and desire to understand the lawyerese, he might be right.
Even if the CBA is readily available online, he at least has more interest in trying to understand it than most of us.

[HumanCockroach]

"People in general didn't give 2 shyts about Aldon's behavior. "

if you add SF instead of general you got it right, if not, you are simply ignoring what is being said about him... again....selective reading and listening seems to be a strong suit for you.

[Futureite]

"People in general didn't give 2 shyts about Aldon's behavior. "

if you add SF instead of general you got it right, if not, you are simply ignoring what is being said about him... again....selective reading and listening seems to be a strong suit for you.

I am a big fan of personal responsibility. Aldon put himself into this position, he got what he deserved.

At the same time I wonder where the supposed outrage would have come from had Aldon received, say 3 games. There is no national outrage when repeat DUI offender like Jerome Simpson is suspended just a couple of games. No outrage when any number of players with gun related charges are suspended. The common denominator is that none of them are going out trying to hurt people, and so people generally do not have the time to care.

The outrage comes with Aaron Hernandez. Michael Vick. Ray Rice. Players that have intent to do damage and succeed in doing so. Then you have PETA talking on a soap box. You have prominent female figures on a soap box. You have systematic scrutiny of a college system that did not help a kid that eventually committed multiple murders. I've yet to hear the national commentary on Aldon from any group or any public figure not directly tied to the NFL. Why? Because he was doing nothing but acting like an irresponsible idiot.

I guess we'l have to agree to disagree. Please note, if I were a "troll" though I had plenty of ammo to use after our respective team's performances on Thursday. For all the talk you had done regarding preseason play as an indication focus, quality of depth etc notice I left it alone on that thread - even though it boomeranged back at you.

With the issue at hand in this thread though I did want to illustrate that my original position had merit, that's all.

[RiverDog]

Florio at PFT suggests that the suspension could end up being less:

"Speaking of nine games, we (or at least I) continue to believe that, with good behavior and given that Smith apparently waived his appeal rights under both policies, he possibly will be reinstated in fewer than nine games, if he can stay out of trouble and otherwise do what is expected of him."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... uspension/

I assume he probably has access to or contacts that can provide the actual text of the CBA and being a lawyer he has the ability and desire to understand the lawyerese, he might be right.
Even if the CBA is readily available online, he at least has more interest in trying to understand it than most of us.

No one's commented yet about Aldon Smith's apparent contradiction pertaining to his claim to have not taken a drink since last September.

"Smith, who has been arrested twice for DUI since January 2012, said he’s stayed sober since he entered a treatment facility in September(2013).

When he was arrested at Los Angeles International Airport in April(2014) for making a false bomb threat – charges were eventually dropped – witnesses said Smith appeared to have been drinking. He was not given a blood-alcohol test.

“I’ve been able to maintain (sobriety),” Smith said. “It’s going good.”

http://www.chatsports.com/san-francisco ... -10132822#

I still maintain that Goodell could very well have checked up on Smith's story, which could help explain why it took him so long to arrive at a decision. If Smith indeed told Goodell that he hadn't taken a drop since September and if Goodell subsequently discovered through interviewing witnesses of the airport incident that Smith lied to him, it would not bode well for him if he hopes to be reinstated prior to the 9 games announced earlier this week.

[Zorn76]

I know Florio is paid to stay on top of these things, but I doubt very much that Goodell reduces the suspension.

He blew it with Rice, admitted it in a letter that went out to all teams the day before he punished Smith, and now is forced to stick with the 9 games he handed out, IMO. To back track, even just a bit, would show weakness on Roger's part.

The commish just got through apologizing for his handling of RR, so how would it look if he softened his stance with Aldon?

And 9 games or 2+ months of good behavior isn't a long enough sample size to give Smith the benefit of the doubt, nor should it be. RG has some legit credibility issues going on at the moment, so rethinking his sentence is likely the last thing on his mind.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

I thought it was interesting to find out Aldon received his full pay during the 5 weeks he was in rehab last season. Kind of hard to give credit for a self-imposed "punishment" when he didn't lose game checks.

[NorthHawk]

Here's another comment from Florio at PFT regarding Smiths ability to be with the team during his suspension:
Is Smith getting some preferential treatment?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... uspension/

"It shouldn’t be that hard to figure out what Smith can and can’t do. It should be difficult to understand how Smith has been allowed to do anything. A player suspended under the personal-conduct policy is banished from the team. A player suspended for a year under the substance-abuse policy is banished from the team.

Smith was suspended under the personal-conduct policy and the substance-abuse policy for less than a year. It logically doesn’t follow that an enhanced suspension under a different policy would allow him to be with the team for the entire suspension.

The more appropriate outcome would have been for the league to impose separate suspensions on Smith. During the suspension under the personal-conduct policy, he would have been banished from the facility. During the suspension under the substance-abuse policy, he would have been be permitted to join the team.

Instead, the NFL crafted an unconventional (and, from the perspective of other players, unfair) outcome that underscores the possibility that Smith sacrificed his appeal rights under both policies in exchange for consideration such as the ability to stay with the team — and possibly even a reduced suspension for good behavior."

[HumanCockroach]

"People in general didn't give 2 shyts about Aldon's behavior. "

if you add SF instead of general you got it right, if not, you are simply ignoring what is being said about him... again....selective reading and listening seems to be a strong suit for you.

I am a big fan of personal responsibility. Aldon put himself into this position, he got what he deserved.

At the same time I wonder where the supposed outrage would have come from had Aldon received, say 3 games. There is no national outrage when repeat DUI offender like Jerome Simpson is suspended just a couple of games. No outrage when any number of players with gun related charges are suspended. The common denominator is that none of them are going out trying to hurt people, and so people generally do not have the time to care.

The outrage comes with Aaron Hernandez. Michael Vick. Ray Rice. Players that have intent to do damage and succeed in doing so. Then you have PETA talking on a soap box. You have prominent female figures on a soap box. You have systematic scrutiny of a college system that did not help a kid that eventually committed multiple murders. I've yet to hear the national commentary on Aldon from any group or any public figure not directly tied to the NFL. Why? Because he was doing nothing but acting like an irresponsible idiot.

I guess we'l have to agree to disagree. Please note, if I were a "troll" though I had plenty of ammo to use after our respective team's performances on Thursday. For all the talk you had done regarding preseason play as an indication focus, quality of depth etc notice I left it alone on that thread - even though it boomeranged back at you.

With the issue at hand in this thread though I did want to illustrate that my original position had merit, that's all.

LMAO. please by all means express how the Niners first string looking like shite for the entire pre season ( yes including this past game, where they once again failed to score) and the Seahawks third string getting it handed to them ( though once again the first string went down the field and scored yet another TD, something like nine of twelve drives that has occured) equates to something? I'm fine with where seattle is that guys like Adams, and Toomer ( players that were CUT) started the game, must have been missed on your part.

As for the 'outrage' all you have to do is open your ears or eyes, read a blog or responses, listen to some news, you know, pay a bit of attention, and you'll be able to see it, since you won't ( because that is how Trolls roll) I'll assume that on this subject, you are once again, talking out your a55 and pretending to 'know' something you don't.

[RiverDog]

I am a big fan of personal responsibility

It's pretty hard to sell that claim to me as you have used, and continued to use, just about every possible twist to every possible angle to excuse Aldon Smith's behavior, from "it wasn't against the law in Arizona" to "he never actually meant to hurt anyone".

[c_hawkbob]

I am a big fan of personal responsibility

It's pretty hard to sell that claim to me as you have used, and continued to use, just about every possible twist to every possible angle to excuse Aldon Smith's behavior, from "it wasn't against the law in Arizona" to "he never actually meant to hurt anyone".

This from the guy that tried to sell us "it's better to be a criminal than a smack talker" ...

Obviously laundry is more important than personal responsibility.

[RiverDog]

I am a big fan of personal responsibility

It's pretty hard to sell that claim to me as you have used, and continued to use, just about every possible twist to every possible angle to excuse Aldon Smith's behavior, from "it wasn't against the law in Arizona" to "he never actually meant to hurt anyone".

This from the guy that tried to sell us "it's better to be a criminal than a smack talker" ...

Obviously laundry is more important than personal responsibility.

LOL! I'd forgotten about that take of his.

[Futureite]

Rodney Harrison 5 minutes ago: "Let's face it, Ruchard Sherman grabs AND HOLDS more than any corner in the league".

Please someone call me out as making up another quote. Or "trolling" when I posted the exact same thing.