Adrian Peterson is done IMHO

[obiken]

I was one of those that thought AP had just got carried away with his son, WRONG. He is under a new indictment for abuse of his other 4 year old boy. The kid had bruises about his face, arms, and other parts of his body. According to 1080 the fan the police report is BAD. Moreover he has several kids from multiple woman. He is now an Official Obiken, POS. The outrage should be greater than the Rice gig. We are talking a 4 year old boy against and NFL MAN who plays Pro football. What a punk.

[FolkCrusader]

He wasn't indicted on the other situation. It occurred in 2013, it was investigated and no charges were filed.

[Hawktawk]

The child in this incident apparently had facial wounds. I was raised this way 4 decades ago. It wasn't right then and it sure isn't right now. Its worse than Ray Rice IMO.

[obiken]

My dad spanked me with a belt, it was done because I deserved it, but he didn't laugh about it, or cry about it, it was just his job. My older brother stole stuff, a lot, and my dad became so angry at one point he just wailed on him for a long time. Then I heard him say to my mom, honey I will never again spank any kid when I am angry, cause I could have really hurt him. But my brother was 14 not 4. He never used a switch, or hit us in the face ect. I think IF You have to spank a kid after 12 or 13 its a waste of time. My Brother finally gave up crime 20 years ago when he was 40. Wish my dad could have lived to see it.

[Long Time Fan]

These are foul winds swirling around the NFL. I come down on letting the legal process play out and having due process exact its fates on these player's football careers. Upbringing and/or ignorance is no defense. If crimes were committed then AP should bear the consequences which may mean reducing his football career. To me the most curious thing to see, is the support of the likes of Ray Rice by women wearing his Jersey. I guess that they support him in what they perceive is an injustice in which his suspension was lengthened. Still, whether it is RR, AP or some future Seahawk accused of a crime of violence against a tantamount defenseless, I could not support or defend them unless and until they were cleared of the charges.

The legal system holds to a presumption of innocence, so too should the NFL, but as a fan, once there is "visual proof" of violence then I can no longer support the player responsible. Sadly, the photos of AP's child's injuries are such proof. Hopefully, the good that comes from this exposure overcomes the scars.

Two issues: Right to play in the NFL; presumption of innocence until legal process proves otherwise. Support of player by fans; contingent on "proof" made available to public. RR and AP fail the second standard in my opinion.

[Hawktawk]

So apparently in the eyes of Goodell and the Vikes beating a 4 year old or 2 or however many kids he has is no big deal. They cant say there's no photographic evidence.I looked like that a lot growing up with a violent father and its been something Ive had to deal with my whole life. It isn't discipline, it is sadistic warped torture.And Peterson really should be as disciplined as he expects his kids to be. If the guy wasn't running around playing dock the submarine every chance he gets he would not have so many kids with discipline problems.

And of course Hardy has been reinstated by the team even though he is currently CONVICTED of spousal abuse. McDonald? Lets dont go there. So cal police just seem to have a problem indicting 9ers even though the PREGNANT girlfriend had visible injuries.

Yeah its as clear as mud Roger.

[Hawktawk]

Minnesota Guv just called for the Vikes to suspend or release AP. Nike is pulling his merchandise off the shelves. Meanwhile the money grubbing Vikings refuse to release him but have indicated they would be willing to trade him.

Theres a lot of pontificating going on in the league but ultimately its all about winning and making money. Supposed concern about domestic abuse is just so much lip service.

[RiverDog]

Minnesota Guv just called for the Vikes to suspend or release AP. Nike is pulling his merchandise off the shelves. Meanwhile the money grubbing Vikings refuse to release him but have indicated they would be willing to trade him.

Theres a lot of pontificating going on in the league but ultimately its all about winning and making money. Supposed concern about domestic abuse is just so much lip service.

I have to sympathize with the league and the teams to some degree. Even though it was the league's ineptness that put them in this situation in the first place, they have to treat their players fairly. Ray Rice's suspension should have never been extended unless he lied or withheld information about the incident during the initial investigation. AP deserves no more harsh punishment than what has been the norm for other similar transgressions. Ray McDonald hasn't even been charged with a crime, has shown no past incidents, and yet people are demanding that he suspended along with the rest of the lot.

It's a virtual lynch mob out there. People have been hit between the eyes with multiple, successive scandals to the point where they don't care about the facts surrounding individual cases. They don't want justice, they want blood, and are willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater in order to get some sort of revenge.

We need to slow down, fix what's broken, and move forward.

[Hawk Sista]

The biggest difference is the video and photographic evidence.... In two of these cases. The issues have made and stayed in the national news THIS time because it's easier to get enraged when we can all see the blow and the result of child abuse so plainly. These issues have long plagued the league (uhhhh. & the globe, BTW) w/ little consequence...especially for the wealthy sports "hero."

I love this sport - but admit it was harder to watch this weekend. The weekend felt like it had goo on it. And as a quick thought... What the hell happened to the incident that went away w/ Marshawn a few weeks back? Could that have anything to do with his lack of time on the field? His sideline attitude and leaving w/ a minute left? I'm not AT AlL saying the sore back excuse was made up.. But it did cross my mind.

In the end, I think there is a lot of outside pressure on the NFL and each team to do the right thing, in some cases before there is a charge or evidence, because that's how the media works. They swarm to the story. One news channel played Stephen A. Smith's reaction like all commentators were of like mind w/ that tool; he just fit their story line of the nfl not caring and aired it to make a point. Now that it's translated to dollars in the form of missed time and loss of sponsorship rather than a slap on the wrist... Some knuckleheads will get it and change behavior or suffer more consequences. But make no mistake, the league and its franchises would have gone right on protecting their talent in investments had the evidence not gone viral.

And it's all far from over

[Long Time Fan]

I love this sport - but admit it was harder to watch this weekend.

I wonder Sista if this is a minority report. No doubt that we received a few willing volunteers to society's ever-present plea for villains. And the moral outrage has been quick and certain. As the script dictates "money" seconds the motion for the appearance of maintenance to the moral high-ground. If this plays out to form, heads will roll, wrists will be slapped, and egos if not other body parts will be bruised. But decline in viewership, I think not. The NFL is like a spoiled child believing that any attention is good attention. In this case it will be treated to more attention.

[c_hawkbob]

The NFL is not lacking for exposure like a Kardashian, this is bad press and unquestionably tarnishes the brand.

[FolkCrusader]

I understand how compulsive video/photo evidence can be, but I also think it is important the evidence be used as part of an entire investigation. The NFL is not by nature an investigatory body, the individual teams have adapted those skills over time but for a very different purpose than law enforcement. Personally I have no faith that the NFL could be trusted to investigate a domestic violence case with a high degree of accuracy.

We have law enforcement for a reason, we have officers of the court for a reason, we have judges and select juries for a reason. It's not reasonable to most people to suspend a player that has only been accused of a crime, but there does seem to be some sort of line there. As an example, Ben Rothlisburger was suspended 6 games (served 4) for being accused of sexual assault in Georgia. The case was never adjudicated but the local prosecutor was quite clear when he said the only reason he did not pursue it was the will of the plaintiff. It is generally accepted that the case was settled financially in the low seven digit range. A second example, Aaron Hernandez. Hernandez has been indicted for three murders and is being held without bail. He has not been convicted of anything, yet he was cut by his team and suspended indefinitely by the NFL. Although some fans did not support the Rothlisburger suspension, most did. Women polled often thought the punishment was too light, even women fans in Pittsburgh. If there are people that do not support the Hernandez suspension they are not very vocal.

So the question to me is, where is that line where being accused of a crime is indeed bad enough to incur suspension. Is it just a judgement call? Or can it be delineated? If the NFL suspends a player in advance for being accused of a crime and he later is exonerated, does the NFL owe that player back pay? Does the NFL have to guarantee him a job?

[HawkDawg]

I ended up with AP and Ray Rice on my fantasy team. Aaack! Damn auto draft.

Maybe it's a good thing that I didn't end up with any Seahawks.

[mykc14]

I ended up with AP and Ray Rice on my fantasy team. Aaack! Damn auto draft.

Maybe it's a good thing that I didn't end up with any Seahawks.

That's funny I actually have both of their backups. I drafted Pierce in the last round of our draft and picked up AP's backup Asiah (or however it is spelled) the day the news came out about Peterson.