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What I am now hearing on 1080 the fan here in Portland, and they got the story from The Bleacher Report, is that Players like Baldwin, Lynch, Sherman, and of course Harvin, are lining up against Russell Wilson. They feel he is too close to management. Now Jason Scukanec, is saying that they feel is he is not "black" enough. It happens with light skin blacks vs. dark skin blacks. That explains why Lynch almost didn't get on the bus when he heard of the Harvin cut. IF this is ALL true, its just crap we don't need right now. Harvin's a good cut, Lynch would be a disaster. We don't need the House boy, Oreo, stuff. We finally get the best QB we have ever had and we might lose him. It all sounds like reverse racism to me. Scukanec, says when he played he saw it first hand in NFL locker rooms.
And we thought the enemy was imploding. IF we lose Sunday its over this year. We will see. Hopefully its all just BS.

Here's the article Obi's speaking of.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/sea ... ar-BBaEpvP

Jezus, do I regret the Harvin trade that brought him here, now more than ever.

We need a win in the worst way. There's only one way to stop all this nonsense, to start winning again. Otherwise, whether true or not, this stuff will continue to fester and take on a life of it's own. It will turn into a self fulfilling prophecy.

Talk about sensationalizing.

The article also says:

What we’re seeing here is pretty typical dynamics in a locker room. When you have 53 guys on a roster, not everyone is going to get along. People have all sorts of different values, priorities and backgrounds, so they’re going to disagree on things, complain and fight. It happens in every locker room. What matters is whether they can play well enough to win together.

But that's not salatious enough, no headlines there ...

As for some blacks saying other blacks aren't black enough, it's no different than whites commenting on Yankees, Texans or Hillbillies as a way of setting themselves apart from those different in some way. It's not in any way a terminal problem. Charles Barkley called Karl Malone the "whitest black man on the planet" but they were still very close friends.

Like the article says in closing "What matters is whether they can play well enough to win together".

Ok, but we don't need this right now C-bob the focus should be on the Panthers. We lose this game and we ARE in big trouble.

obiken wrote:Ok, but we don't need this right now C-bob the focus should be on the Panthers. We lose this game and we ARE in big trouble.

Agreed, it should be. Hopefully it is.

Big trouble doesn't happen till the second half of the season. A win is important, but a loss won't sh!tcan the season. Not yet.

a loss won't sh!tcan the season.

We'd be sitting on 3 wins with 9 left to play. That's a sh*tcanned season in all but the most technical sense.

The article also uses Lynch's tweet and suppsosed refusal to get on the buss as examples. According to many people Baldwin/Lynch's agent etc that just didn't happen. It will be intersting to see if there is any truth to this, sounds stupid to me, but you never know I guess. In reality I think there is more to what bob said: sensationlization of the story for headlines. I certainly don't doubt the roots of the story: some people liked Harvin, Harvin might not have liked RW, etc but suggestions that it got as far as it has are all speculation.

burrrton wrote:
We'd be sitting on 3 wins with 9 left to play. That's a sh*tcanned season in all but the most technical sense.

9 left to play could get you there without the three wins. This game is important, but no where near a season-ender to all but the most reactionary fans.

I read this as much ado about nothing, critical.

Sure there is friction, so what. It doesn't mean that these guys can't play together and win together. Every team's (ok, most) qb will have staunch supporters as well as detractors in a locker room. We are talking about human dynamics people, nothing more, nothing less. The fissures that get reported, ie Lynch, are more about the individual's personal issues with management and less about Harvin and Wilson. Lynch is carrying an attitude about his contract and future place on the team. He is using this opportunity to voice his carry over displeasure.

There will be a coming together for the common goals of winning and making more money; although for most players those priorities are reversed; (sorry if that bursts any fan's bubble about why these players play).

Some here want to use anything among the "noise" to be able to say that the sky is falling so that they can later claim that they were first to forecast the weather. This storm will pass. I'm calling it and I don't expect future apologies from those who doubt it.

BTW; who else is absolutely shocked that there are racial overtones in this or any other locker room?

So stories like this Hawks worry me just a little bit but after all the news reported by these same sources that the whiners locker room implosion was imminent and nothing happened till now I am taking all this with a grain or two of salt

Don't allow yourselves to get caught up in the wild speculation of sports "reporters" who seem to be creating turmoil so that they can write shocking headlines and get clicks on their stories.

Even if it were all true, what could any of us do about it? Worrying and fretting are a waste of time and energy, especially to those of us (all of us) whose only association with the team is watching them on TV.
Let's not get caught up in the swirling tempest of rumor and gossip. Things will unfold exactly as they will. The Seahawks will either figure a way to win games or they won't.

obiken wrote:What I am now hearing on 1080 the fan here in Portland, and they got the story from The Bleacher Report, is that Players like Baldwin, Lynch, Sherman, and of course Harvin, are lining up against Russell Wilson. They feel he is too close to management. Now Jason Scukanec, is saying that they feel is he is not "black" enough. It happens with light skin blacks vs. dark skin blacks. That explains why Lynch almost didn't get on the bus when he heard of the Harvin cut. IF this is ALL true, its just crap we don't need right now. Harvin's a good cut, Lynch would be a disaster. We don't need the House boy, Oreo, stuff. We finally get the best QB we have ever had and we might lose him. It all sounds like reverse racism to me. Scukanec, says when he played he saw it first hand in NFL locker rooms.
And we thought the enemy was imploding. IF we lose Sunday its over this year. We will see. Hopefully its all just BS.

First off Lynch and his agent denied he refused to get on the bus. Second this all stems form one report and who said he spoke to players and yet only names Harvin. I do not believe any of this at all. I think it was on writers guess all based on Harvin and nothing more.

You know what I saw and liked last weekend, and I was conscious of this very point while watching the game because of some of the reports about a pro Percy vs anti Percy groups.

I liked when RW3 ran in for his TD, Baldwin and Kearse ran over to him right away to congratulate him. From the back view replay, after RW3 did the read option and kept it, you saw Lynch raise his hand in the air in celebration when RW3 was about to cross the goal line.

I get that in many dressing rooms you get "groups" forming, I have been part of it myself.

I just don't believe that there is an anti RW3 group amongst those in the 'Hawks dressing room.

But it crap that reports like this are coming out.

I am hoping this team can use all this attention as a rallying point. They used things like this last year, but when you are the defending champs, you don't have that to use anymore. Maybe all this will end up being a good thing. They definitely have the team capable to go on a run. Hoping they can win the next 4 and have Arizona lose at least 1 in that time. In 5 weeks, they could be playing for the division lead.

Being "more black" or "more white", "more thug" or "more redneck", "more refined" or "more country", "more democrat" or "more republican", is all a way of saying "more like me". It's all a matter of individual perspective usually spoken around those that are "more like you" about those that are not so much like you.

Of course it's real and of course it happens all the time. Also of course it also ain't no real thang to get all twitterpated about.

c_hawkbob wrote:Being "more black" or "more white", "more thug" or "more redneck", "more refined" or "more country", "more democrat" or "more republican", is all a way of saying "more like me". It's all a matter of individual perspective usually spoken around those that are "more like you" about those that are not so much like you.

Of course it's real and of course it happens all the time. Also of course it also ain't no real thang to get all twitterpated about.

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What should be noticed isn't that there may or may not be factions in the locker room (for the record, these sorts of factions exist in every locker room in every sports league at every level!) what should be noticed is what Pete did about it!
Even if it is true, that the locker room was being divided by Russell Wilson's team guy persona, we have nothing to worry about, because Pete just sent the LOUDEST, CLEAREST message imaginable about what happens to players who are divisive, or don't support leadership.
If you are divisive, or if you cannot get behind your QB, who is the face of this franchise, then you get a one way ticket out of Seattle!
If there were any problems starting up before, I can pretty much guarantee this move quelled them!

c_hawkbob wrote:9 left to play could get you there without the three wins. This game is important, but no where near a season-ender to all but the most reactionary fans.

It may not be a season ender, but if your goal is to repeat, a loss would be huge. As it stands now, we have only a one in three chance of just making the playoffs, let alone a decent shot at HFA or a first round bye.

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NFL.html

It also would represent our third straight loss, the first time in two years that we've dipped below .500, and would allow all these distractions we've had to deal with to continue to fester. The only way to mend fences and put all this crapola behind us is to win football games. This is a much more important game to us than your standard, run-of-the-mill mid season games.

So you're taking issue with what I didn't say ...

Sure technical we would still be in it but given the other 2 teams in the division, tactically it would be game, set, match.

c_hawkbob wrote:So you're taking issue with what I didn't say ...

No, but I'm attaching a little more importance to the outcome of this game than you appear to be.

RiverDog wrote:No, but I attaching a little more importance to the outcome of this game than you appear to be.

To be fair I was simply countering the contention that the season is "a sh*tcanned season in all but the most technical sense" with another loss. So I was just attaching a little less chicken little to a previous post.

c_hawkbob wrote:
To be fair I was simply countering the contention that the season is "a sh*tcanned season in all but the most technical sense" with another loss. So I was just attaching a little less chicken little to a previous post.

IF we do or do not make the playoffs will be more a matter of injuries than anything else. Injuries are taking a much bigger toll than any fictional split in the locker room.

This game is as close to a must win as there has been for the Hawks in quite a while. Not because a loss eliminates them but because it greases the skids if it happens. This isn't about the math. Its about the goals this team had set and the clouds of controversy now swirling around them. If they lose to a pretty bad Rams team and a mediocre Carolina team back to back and extend the losing streak to 3 games I think we can forget about them running the table thereafter so now we are looking at 10-6 or something like that at best and on the edge of sitting out the tourney.

Look at the schedule folks. We need a win!

Speaking of schedule, what gives with playing the Panthers 3 years in a row IN Carolina?
Can't the schedulers be more creative?

10am is still a tough start time for us - even after last year. We often don't get going until about half time which is usually around noon.

Could have been worse, at least the Skins game was a prime time, and the Eagles game is a late start, otherwise it would have been obscene.

Only three 10am games is better than usual.

Sure wish I'd tweeted this!

Danny 710ESPNSeattle‏@DDMon7103h3 hours agoI found @mikefreemanNFL's source:

http://dailyleak.org/2014/10/seahawks-locker-room-punter-jon-ryan-not-nearly-ginger-enough/

ROFL!

Awesome. A perfect response to the stupidity surrounding the so called locker room split over whether or not Russell Wilson is "black enough".

Oh that's awesome!

I was thinkin the same thing. As a MaryAnne, I dismissed it. Glad to see yall agree. Not nearly Ginger enuff.

c_hawkbob wrote:To be fair I was simply countering the contention that the season is "a sh*tcanned season in all but the most technical sense" with another loss. So I was just attaching a little less chicken little to a previous post.

I agree with you there. Even if we lose, it's not a "sh#t canned season". I'll certainly continue to watch with great interest.

But losing 3 in a row? Has Pete ever lost three in a row since taking over? 2010 maybe? It's not something that we've come to expect, and for a SB champ to be dipping below .500 you can bet that the national media will begin writing on our tombstone, evoke the memories of past SB champs that bit the dust in the succeeding season, and these unsettling rumors will continue to grow. We lose Sunday and we're going to have to do a heck of a lot of soul searching so that all this stuff, true or untrue, does not turn into a self fulfilling prophecy.

Even if we lose, it's not a "sh#t canned season".

Here's a question: what *would* be a "sh#t canned season" to you guys, short of mathematical elimination and/or something ridiculous like a 6-game losing streak?

So in other words what would be a sh!tcanned season short of a sh!tcanned season?

Until you're out of it you're still in it. Even then there are other goals to be met, other reasond to have interest ...

At what point will you stop watching? That's when the season is truly sh!tcanned. After all, by definition it means throwing the rest of the season away doesn't it?

What Bob said.

you're either in it, or out of it, there is no grey "sh!tcanned" season. NYG won a SB not that long ago if I recall, that surely 90% of the folks in here would have called a "sh!tcanned" season by week 6. Never understood this mentality, in really any aspect of my life.

Interesting comment from Barkley on the subject. Bet its goin to make some cringe.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/25/charles-barkley-unintelligent-blacks-brainwashed-to-keep-successful-black-men-down-video/

I wasn't using "sh*t-canned" to mean "I'll quit watching", which I've never done in any season since 1978.

I'm using it in the "We're not going anywhere this year" sense, and I still think 3-4 after a three game losing streak would pretty much amount to that.

you're either in it, or out of it, there is no grey "sh!tcanned" season.

That goes back to my point about mathematical elimination. We're certainly not out of it in that sense at 3-4, but we also certainly won't be looking like we have the ability to make up the ground that will be required.

NYG won a SB not that long ago if I recall, that surely 90% of the folks in here would have called a "sh!tcanned" season by week 6.

Fair point.

burrrton wrote:I wasn't using "sh*t-canned" to mean "I'll quit watching", which I've never done in any season since 1978.

I'm using it in the "We're not going anywhere this year" sense, and I still think 3-4 after a three game losing streak would pretty much amount to that.

And I'm saying you're drastically quick to throw in the proverbial towel. Thinking the season could be over before the halfway point, unless you're completely winless, is nuckin' futz.

That's the thing about the future Burton, no one knows what IS going to happen, and a 3-4 start, does not abolish a season, because no one knows what's next. One of the MOST beautiful things about football IMHO, is that aspect. It is what makes each and every game to be played, something to watch. Things may "look" a certain way, but by no means does it make them so. Any given Sunday gets a lot of play in this world, but it is one of the few statements that continues to prove itself true week in and week out, and I adhere to that belief strongly. I don't care "how" things look in regards to a game, ultimately, teams look like sh!te week in and week out and win, and teams out play others and lose. It is the unknown that makes football great IMHO.

Uppercut wrote:Interesting comment from Barkley on the subject. Bet its goin to make some cringe.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/25/charles-barkley-unintelligent-blacks-brainwashed-to-keep-successful-black-men-down-video/

Not a word he said was wrong. Not one.
It needs to be addressed, glad it is. I remember when Bill Cosby tried addressing some of this sort of stuff, and he got shouted down by the people Barkley called out here.

I totally disagree, we cannot start out 3-4 in this division and make to the playoffs with HFA. Seattle must have HFA in the POffs to win out, they are NOT a road team.