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Re: Trump grounds Eagles from Whitehouse

Postby RiverDog » Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:01 pm

idhawkman wrote:This is a racist statement on its face. I'm glad Burrton called it out.


Sorry, my friend. You just crossed the line. If you're going to start accusing me of making racist statements, I'm bowing out of this discussion, perhaps others.

Have a nice day! :D
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Re: Trump grounds Eagles from Whitehouse

Postby yoder » Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:27 am

Here's the beauty of Football. It ties people together from all different backgrounds, religions, race, gender, political views, whatever, etc...

Here's the curse of a forum (especially an OT section), it tears it all apart. Sigh.
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Re: Trump grounds Eagles from Whitehouse

Postby makena » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:51 am

Has anyone ever wondered how or why the National Anthem started to be played before a sporting event? Why not at operas or movies or other events that bring people together?

Here you go:

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"In early September 1814, Francis Scott Key, an American lawyer and amateur poet, accompanied American Prisoner Exchange Agent Colonel John Stuart Skinner to negotiate a prisoner release with several officers of the British Navy. During the negotiations, Key and Skinner learned of the British intention to attack the city of Baltimore, as well as the strength and positions of British forces. They were not permitted to leave for the duration of the battle and witnessed the bombardment of Baltimore's Fort McHenry on September 13 and 14. Inspired by the American victory and the sight of the American flag flying high in the morning, Key wrote a poem titled "The Defence of Fort McHenry."

Key set the lyrics to the anthem of the London-based Anacreontic Society, "The Anacreontic Song." (Nine years earlier, Key had used the same tune for “When the Warrior Returns (from the Battle Afar)” to celebrate Stephen Decatur’s return from fighting the Barbary pirates, which included the line “By the light of the Star Spangled flag of our nation.”)

The poem was taken to a printer, who made broadside copies of it. A few days later, the Baltimore Patriot and The Baltimore American printed the poem with the note "Tune: Anacreon in Heaven." Later, Carrs Music Store in Baltimore published the words and music together as "The Star Spangled Banner."

The song gained popularity over the course of the 19th century and was often played at public events like parades and Independence Day celebrations (and, on occasion, sporting events). In 1889, the Secretary of the Navy ordered it the official tune to be played during the raising of the flag. In 1916, President Woodrow Wilson ordered that it be played at all military ceremonies and other appropriate occasions, making it something of an unofficial national anthem.

After America's entrance into World War I, Major League Baseball games often featured patriotic rituals, such as players marching in formation during pregame military drills and bands playing patriotic songs. During the seventh-inning stretch of Game One of the 1918 World Series, the band erupted into "The Star-Spangled Banner." The Cubs and Red Sox players faced the centerfield flag pole and stood at attention. The crowd, already on their feet, began to sing along and applauded at the end of the song.

Given the positive reaction, the band played the song during the next two games, and when the Series moved to Boston, the Red Sox owner brought in a band and had the song played before the start of each remaining contest. After the war (and after the song was made the national anthem in 1931), the song continued to be played at baseball games, but only on special occasions like opening day, national holidays, and World Series games.

During World War II, baseball games again became venues for large-scale displays of patriotism, and technological advances in public address systems allowed songs to be played without a band. "The Star-Spangled Banner" was played before games throughout the course of the war, and by the time the war was over, the pregame singing of the national anthem had become cemented as a baseball ritual, after which it spread to other sports."

Reference: http://mentalfloss.com/article/22150/why-do-we-sing-national-anthem-sporting-events

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So, allow me to play devils advocate.
The topic of "something" being hijacked to create a platform for a topic that is of concern to a particular group is the issue. Football players sitting or kneeling during the national anthem to bring attention to police brutality against African Americans.

OK

One could argue that sports were hijacked to create a platform to bring awareness of war and boost moral (propaganda). At the time baseball was a white pastime played by white people for teams owned by white men. So, when the national anthem was played at baseball games, and soon other sports, it was widely accepted. There might have been dissenters... but if there were, their voices were small and there was no platform for their voice to be heard. The population of the united states was around 106 million people where 94 million were white and about 10 million were black. The other population were.. you know, them pesky native Americans, Asian and Latino folks Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States)

Remember this:

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"Robinson broke into baseball when America was a deeply segregated nation. In 1946, at least six African Americans were lynched in the South. Restrictive covenants were still legal, barring blacks (and Jews) from buying homes in many neighborhoods—not just in the South. Only a handful of blacks were enrolled in the nation's predominantly white colleges and universities. There were only two blacks in Congress. No big city had a black mayor.

It is difficult today to summon the excitement that greeted Robinson's achievement. The dignity with which Robinson handled his encounters with racism—including verbal and physical abuse on the field and in hotels, restaurants, trains, and elsewhere—drew public attention to the issue, stirred the consciences of many white Americans, and gave black Americans a tremendous boost of pride and self-confidence. Martin Luther King Jr. once told Dodgers star Don Newcombe, another former Negro Leaguer, "You'll never know what you and Jackie and Roy [Campanella] did to make it possible to do my job."

Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/04/the-real-story-of-baseballs-integration-that-you-wont-see-in-i-42-i/274886/
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It not that far of a stretch to hear non white Americans seeing the American flag as being synonymous with the confederate flag. Just ask any native American. Maybe it's just whites don't like their tradition being hijacked.

How did NASCAR get involed in this thread let along some dude bringing the origins of the National Anthem?
Got to love the OFF TOPIC.

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Re: Trump grounds Eagles from Whitehouse

Postby Aseahawkfan » Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:16 pm

RiverDog wrote:Sorry, my friend. You just crossed the line. If you're going to start accusing me of making racist statements, I'm bowing out of this discussion, perhaps others.

Have a nice day! :D


Welcome to the modern world. You can be accused of racism by taking anything you say and twisting it to fit whatever viewpoint that person or organization chooses to forward. I've been watching the media do it to every Republican politician for years now. No surprise that someone has finally decided to lump you in the sum, when you had absolutely no racist intent in your post. Racism used to be a very specific racial viewpoint and philosophy. Now it's some term we toss out there anytime someone says something that might be even slightly racial in tone whether good or bad.
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Re: Trump grounds Eagles from Whitehouse

Postby burrrton » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:39 pm

It not that far of a stretch to hear non white Americans seeing the American flag as being synonymous with the confederate flag.


Only if they're completely ignorant of history.

The confederate flag meant different things to different people, but ultimately there's no getting around the fact that it represented a group fighting to preserve slavery.

The American flag, on the other hand, represented mankind's latest, best effort to grant freedom to all people, black, white, and otherwise. That it wasn't immediately realized is a sad commentary on that period of the planet's history, not a damning indictment of a country that ultimately led the way to illegalizing slavery (along with GB) and lost hundreds of thousands of its own citizens fighting to eliminate it.

If non-white Americans see the US flag as a symbol of their persecution, they need to quit listening to Grievance Studies majors and pick up a book. It's preposterous.
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Re: Trump grounds Eagles from Whitehouse

Postby idhawkman » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:23 pm

McKenna,

The national anthem is still played before movies on military posts. All people in the theatre stand and cover their hearts until it is over.
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Re: Trump grounds Eagles from Whitehouse

Postby makena » Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:08 pm

idhawkman wrote:McKenna,

The national anthem is still played before movies on military posts. All people in the theatre stand and cover their hearts until it is over.


I had know idea they played that before movies. Interesting.. I wonder why it has not caught on for regular movie theaters?

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Re: Trump grounds Eagles from Whitehouse

Postby idhawkman » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:59 am

makena wrote:I had know idea they played that before movies. Interesting.. I wonder why it has not caught on for regular movie theaters?

Mak

Don't know either, not sure it ever has in public theatres but I remember it happening when I was a little boy when my father was in the service (60's) and also when I'd go to movies on post when I was in the service (80's). I remember being shocked as a kid going to a public theatre and no Anthem was played - Little did I know....
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