Justice Kennedy Announces Plan to Retire from SCOTUS

[idhawkman]

If you turn off life support on a terminal patient, you're not making a medical decision, to the contrary, the doctor has run out of options and has put the ball back in the family's court so that it is no longer a medical issue. It's a private, family decision. I think that a good many people would consider abortion in a similar light.

Once again, keep in mind that I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. I'm playing a little bit of Devil's advocate.

I appreciate your devil's advocate position - I do that too sometimes.

I think the difference is that the patient in a "turn off life support" situation is not capabable of maintaining life on their own. In the case of a fetus, it is capable of living and growing without the aid of machines - there's nothing to turn off. Additionally, the doctor must take specific steps to snuff out the life of that fetus and to extract it from the mother so it doesn't rot and cause damage to the mother.

I'm not for abortion of any kind since I'm Catholic. I also know that my beliefs are not the majority in the country and that the vast majority is for abortions befor the third trimester. I think that most fetus' that make it to the third trimester have a good chance to survive if born early. I also know that the majority of people are NOT for late term abortions. So that's where I think the states will come down on the issue. No late term abortions but ok on 1st or 2nd trimester abortions. Again, I'm not for any of them but realize that there would be a compromise on the issue.

[idhawkman]

I know this is off the topic of SCOTUS but wow, the U.K. really does a great show with Pomp and Circumstance don't they?

[Aseahawkfan]

Here's a snippit from an article out of the LA Times from 3 years ago:

It started with in-state tuition. Then came driver's licenses, new rules designed to limit deportations and state-funded healthcare for children. And on Monday, in a gesture heavy with symbolism, came a new law to erase the word "alien" from California's labor code.

I don't like how Trump is handling the immigration issue, but I damn sure don't like how the Democrats have reacted to it. All they're doing is trying to mine the Latino voters.

In a vote-based system, Latinos are the second biggest voter group. Both sides are courting them. It's why quite a few Republicans including G.W. Bush Jr. are soft on immigration. They all know where their bread will be buttered. With folk of European descent not having many kids and folk of Latin descent continuing to kick them out in quantity, courting Latino voters makes sense from a numbers game. I should study their values as a voter group. They don't seem as militantly anti-Republican as folk of African descent.

[RiverDog]

In a vote-based system, Latinos are the second biggest voter group. Both sides are courting them. It's why quite a few Republicans including G.W. Bush Jr. are soft on immigration. They all know where their bread will be buttered. With folk of European descent not having many kids and folk of Latin descent continuing to kick them out in quantity, courting Latino voters makes sense from a numbers game. I should study their values as a voter group. They don't seem as militantly anti-Republican as folk of African descent.

Most Latinos vote Democratic, but unlike black voters, they can be had. Bush 43, fluent in Spanish and with a Latino sister-in-law, got 32% of the Latino vote in 2004, which is unheard of for a minority group to vote for a R in those kind of numbers. Hispanics don't have the tradition that goes all the way back to FDR (actually Elenaor) to shape their thinking. Same goes with Asian voters. No matter what Trump's relatively short stint as POTUS achieves, it won't affect the changing demographics that our country has been going through for the past 50 years or so.

That's why Republicans are so pissed at Trump, because he's turning away a good many minority voters that the R's won't be able to reclaim. It's not unlike what Lyndon Johnson did to the Democratic party with his support for civil rights in that it handed the Republicans the south for a generation (with few exceptions, like Jimmy Carter).

[idhawkman]

That's why Republicans are so pissed at Trump, because he's turning away a good many minority voters that the R's won't be able to reclaim. It's not unlike what Lyndon Johnson did to the Democratic party with his support for civil rights in that it handed the Republicans the south for a generation (with few exceptions, like Jimmy Carter).

Oh is that why his approval ratings keep going up and the dems are scrambling to keep a blue ripple now?

[RiverDog]

Oh is that why his approval ratings keep going up and the dems are scrambling to keep a blue ripple now?

What are you talking about? His most recent job approval rating has dipped, from a high of 51% in April to 45% currently, and that's using the most pro Trump polling organization:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... ex_history

If I were you, I would do what Trump does and declare the polling data fake news as nearly every polling organization has pegged Trump as the most consistently unpopular sitting POTUS since they started doing the surveys.

Besides, my statement wasn't about his overall ratings, it was about his standing with minority voters. Trump has an 89% unfavorable rating with Hispanics an incredible 94% disapproval rating amongst blacks:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pre ... ith-blacks

[idhawkman]

What are you talking about? His most recent job approval rating has dipped, from a high of 51% in April to 45% currently, and that's using the most pro Trump polling organization:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... ex_history

If I were you, I would do what Trump does and declare the polling data fake news as nearly every polling organization has pegged Trump as the most consistently unpopular sitting POTUS since they started doing the surveys.

Besides, my statement wasn't about his overall ratings, it was about his standing with minority voters. Trump has an 89% unfavorable rating with Hispanics an incredible 94% disapproval rating amongst blacks:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pre ... ith-blacks

You well know that nothing is linear but thank you for acknowledging that his current approval rating is higher than it was when he was elected.

[idhawkman]

Trump approval ratings among hispanics climb 10% to 35% in June 2018: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZZZVyn4_ns

[RiverDog]

Trump approval ratings among hispanics climb 10% to 35% in June 2018: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZZZVyn4_ns

Fake news!

That is surprising and I'll give you that one, though 35% is still nothing to brag about. And it doesn't speak to other minority groups (please don't post the "black support doubled from 11 to 22 percent" garbage as it's already been debunked).

[idhawkman]

Fake news!

That is surprising and I'll give you that one, though 35% is still nothing to brag about. And it doesn't speak to other minority groups (please don't post the "black support doubled from 11 to 22 percent" garbage as it's already been debunked).

It wasn't debunked at all. His support among Black Males did double. Open your mind a little Riv. He's not losing support, he's gaining support.