Mid Term First Impressions

[idhawkman]

I honestly think that he Trump doesn't bother to prepare or consult with his associates, that unlike other POTUS's, he does not take advice from his handlers so he can articulate his thoughts and give relevant, well thought out examples. He just wings it, and when he's confronted with a subject like this one, where he has such a lack of experience with simple things that you and me take for granted, like making purchases in a grocery store, he ends up giving bad analogies.

...and therein lies the problem. Many of us are tired of the "Handlers" handling the person we voted for. Not everyone wants the PC statement or policy that doesn't upset the apple cart. We've gone along to get along - LONG ENOUGH! We've had it!

[RiverDog]

...and therein lies the problem. Many of us are tired of the "Handlers" handling the person we voted for. Not everyone wants the PC statement or policy that doesn't upset the apple cart. We've gone along to get along - LONG ENOUGH! We've had it!

It's one thing not to let handlers and advisors influence your opinion and another to cut them out entirely and forgo the benefit of their briefings on background information and suggestions for appropriate analogies.

An old wise man once told me that an over done strength becomes a weakness, and Trump's over done strength is his independence, which when over done translates into stubbornness.

[idhawkman]

It's one thing not to let handlers and advisors influence your opinion and another to cut them out entirely and forgo the benefit of their briefings on background information and suggestions for appropriate analogies.

This is a S.W.A.G. at best on your part.

An old wise man once told me that an over done strength becomes a weakness, and Trump's over done strength is his independence, which when over done translates into stubbornness.

Yeah, we already knew what your opinion was on this. Its not held by millions of people though.

[Hawktawk]

This argument between me and you makes for a good case study regarding why Trump is not a good leader. We both agree with Trump on the subject of voter ID. Heck, I've even gone so far as to say that I'd be OK with providing biometric data, like fingerprints, retina scans, facial recognition, hair follicles, even DNA. My only objection would be if an acceptable form of ID cost the voter any more than a very modest amount of money or was difficult to obtain.

But because Trump can't make a simple argument without loading it up with either lies, white lies, half truths, or whatever you want to characterize his misinformation to be, the two of us get distracted and break down into an argument over Trump's poor examples rather than keeping our eyes on the prize, in this case, voter ID.

I honestly think that he Trump doesn't bother to prepare or consult with his associates, that unlike other POTUS's, he does not take advice from his handlers so he can articulate his thoughts and give relevant, well thought out examples. He just wings it, and when he's confronted with a subject like this one, where he has such a lack of experience with simple things that you and me take for granted, like making purchases in a grocery store, he ends up giving bad analogies.

This really is the issue with Trump in a nutshell. Its not the policies so much. It's the driving of nails with a sledgehammer and having the salesman selling the policies be a complete liar and asshat semi senile idiot. Politifact says Trump says something untrue 76!!!!!! percent of the time he speaks. People are starting to throw the baby out with the bathwater in terms of rejecting his party roundly despite good fundamentals in the economy and many campaign promises kept. Its the man who can't get out of his own way.And by all reports it isn't getting any better.

[Hawktawk]

Oh and BTW Trump made a public statement yesterday about having completed the written answers to his take home test from Bob Mueller. He said he had answered the questions "very easily" and he had written the answers rather than his lawyers. God I hope so Something very big is about to happen and then we will find out if the Republican senators are willing to walk the plank for the skank when they will be the ones with many more than democrats facing reelection in 2 years.

[idhawkman]

This really is the issue with Trump in a nutshell. Its not the policies so much. It's the driving of nails with a sledgehammer and having the salesman selling the policies be a complete liar and asshat semi senile idiot. Politifact says Trump says something untrue 76!!!!!! percent of the time he speaks. People are starting to throw the baby out with the bathwater in terms of rejecting his party roundly despite good fundamentals in the economy and many campaign promises kept. Its the man who can't get out of his own way.And by all reports it isn't getting any better.

And yet all the lies and mistruths and omitted objectives by the democrats are somehow just never mentioned or overlooked entirely. Since winning the house, they have stated only one goal that I've seen and it was just this morning but they made their first order of action to cite 85 different investigations into Trump and his family and finances followed by a tax hike which will kill this economy. Now the goal they've announced is 100% employement (I'm pretty sure we are already there since we don't have enough workers seeking work to fill the jobs available) at $11-15/hour. This is what they want, if you want a job, go to your local govt. entity and request a job. It then becomes govt job to find you a govt job with benefits at $11-15 per hour.

Now I ask, who in the right mind thinks any city's mayor could possibly handle 5,000 people asking for a job? Next, who would pay for it?

This is the government that you and River want because it is a counter balance to Trump and you don't like his mannerisms. You got the govt you deserved is all I can say.

[RiverDog]

And yet all the lies and mistruths and omitted objectives by the democrats are somehow just never mentioned or overlooked entirely.

The difference between Trump's mistruths and lies and those of the Dems is the sheer volume of them coming from Trump. He makes so many, some trivial and inconsequential, some significant and far reaching, some intentional, some by mistake or ignorance.

Since winning the house, they have stated only one goal that I've seen and it was just this morning but they made their first order of action to cite 85 different investigations into Trump and his family and finances followed by a tax hike which will kill this economy. Now the goal they've announced is 100% employement (I'm pretty sure we are already there since we don't have enough workers seeking work to fill the jobs available) at $11-15/hour. This is what they want, if you want a job, go to your local govt. entity and request a job. It then becomes govt job to find you a govt job with benefits at $11-15 per hour.

Naw, the economy will do just fine. The beauty of splitting Congress is that we'll have divided government and gridlock. There is no way in hell that the Dems are going to be able to advance their agenda when the R's hold both the Senate and the Executive Branch, so they can talk all they want about their goofy proposals like 100% full employment. They might as well stand on their heads and pee ice water for all the good it's going to do them.

This is the government that you and River want because it is a counter balance to Trump and you don't like his mannerisms. You got the govt you deserved is all I can say.

For me, it's not just Trump's personality, although I agree that a large part of my position has to do with a personal dislike...rather, disgust with that POS. I have enough political differences with Trump and the R's that I would prefer gridlock, with neither party being able to advance their agenda.

It's actually a perfect storm for me. The one thing that I do like about Trump is his judicial appointments, and with the Senate firmly in the hands of the R's, there's not much chance of a liberal take over of the bench. Plus I will enjoy watching Trump twist in what will be a never ending cease of investigations, a good distraction to keep the Dems away from something that can actually damage, like the economy. I gotta stock up on my popcorn, it's going to be an entertaining two years!

[Hawktawk]

I remember Bob Dole being asked about gridlock after the contract with america red wave in 1994. His answer, "this isn't gridlock, its pork lock" .

Completely agree RD this divided government is best especially with a loon running the show and his entranced emasculated republican congress unable or unwilling to do their constitutional duty and confront him.

I don't much care for either party's agenda and the best thing is if neither can really advance it.


And yeah there's definitely a few things worth investigating. Cant wait for some oversight of this complete gangster.

[RiverDog]

And yeah there's definitely a few things worth investigating. Cant wait for some oversight of this complete gangster.

I haven't seen anything that would make me call Trump a "gangster", which to me suggests murderous behavior. You're going over the top again with your characterizations.

[Hawktawk]

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I haven't seen anything that would make me call Trump a "gangster", which to me suggests murderous behavior. You're going over the top again with your characterizations.

That was tongue in cheek RD. Come on I've never suggested he's a murderer. How about lawless criminal? There's so much dirt in plain sight were desensitized to it.

[RiverDog]

That was tongue in cheek RD. Come on I've never suggested he's a murderer. How about lawless criminal? There's so much dirt in plain sight were desensitized to it.

You've accused Trump of a lot of things, characterized him in some extremely uncomplimentary ways. How the heck was I to know that your statement was tounge-in-cheek?

[Hawktawk]

You've accused Trump of a lot of things, characterized him in some extremely uncomplimentary ways. How the heck was I to know that your statement was tounge-in-cheek?

I've correctly pointed out a lot of things about him as I see it RD or maybe I've called him and his supporters out would be better . The truth about him isn't nice or complimentary. As a lifelong straight ticket republican my opinion of this utter pile of excrement, this waste of oxygen is more credible than almost anyone else in the forum. ID? hes on board till the last day. Cbob never was on board. You are the guy Id want as my jury foreman if I'm ever accused of something. Asae and Burrton try to see it both ways and appear to be above the fray.

Me? there's no middle ground. This guy isn't making america the least bit great and is doing permanent damage to our nation. There's no sugar coating it.

If I was a lifelong wild eyed liberal Id just be preaching to the choir but I have the courage of my convictions. I've never supported him from 2 weeks after he announced his candidacy and I never will toe the party line ever again as long as this is their standard bearer. I've told the truth about him and I don't regret it. These midterms just prove public sentiment is moving my way too.

[RiverDog]

I've correctly pointed out a lot of things about him as I see it RD or maybe I've called him and his supporters out would be better . The truth about him isn't nice or complimentary. As a lifelong straight ticket republican my opinion of this utter pile of excrement, this waste of oxygen is more credible than almost anyone else in the forum. ID? hes on board till the last day. Cbob never was on board. You are the guy Id want as my jury foreman if I'm ever accused of something. Asae and Burrton try to see it both ways and appear to be above the fray.

Me? there's no middle ground. This guy isn't making america the least bit great and is doing permanent damage to our nation. There's no sugar coating it.

If I was a lifelong wild eyed liberal Id just be preaching to the choir but I have the courage of my convictions. I've never supported him from 2 weeks after he announced his candidacy and I never will toe the party line ever again as long as this is their standard bearer. I've told the truth about him and I don't regret it. These midterms just prove public sentiment is moving my way too.

Which makes my point about my not being able to tell if you were serious or not.

I agree with you about your being consistent, but that's not the problem. The problem as I see it is that you don't agree with ANYTHING Trump has done. You're the polar opposite of Idahawkman, who can't see a single flaw. IMO it's not possible for a professed conservative like you not to have any agreements AT ALL with him or the things he's done without involving some major hypocrisy.

Thanks for the compliment about being your jury foreman.

[Hawktawk]

RD I've addressed this with you before but ill try one more time. As a conservative lifelong republican I was horrified to see this carpetbagging jackass picking off states with 15 and 20% of the vote while a deep field of highly qualified men and one women of proven ability to legislate and govern knocked one another out one by one.

See as a republican one would expect a republican to favor lower taxation, deregulation, immigration reform, a strong military and strong foreign policy as the world's remaining superpower(allegedly) . But what I don't favore is the least qualified president ever( although he made some good hires) driving nails with a sledgehammer.

I'm all for immigration reform and matter of fact a bill passed the senate with 67 votes late in the Obama administration. Paul Ryan wouldnt even allow a vote in the house because he wanted to keep millions of brown colored peoples fate as a political football Trump the white nationalist racist has punted all over the country to the delight of his zombie army of Trumptards.

Im for border security but not for separation of kids as young as a few months from their parents some of whom will never see one another again due to the ineptitude of the process. I'm not for US troop on the border laying razor wire in a political stunt that backfired spectacularly but will cause battle hardened battle weary troops with patches on their uniforms of service in Iraq and Afghanistan to miss thanksgiving with their families. Thats abhorrent.

Obama never saw a regulation he didn't want to pass but I don't want to see deregulation to the point our air and water is being poisoned and big corporations and banks can cause a crash that will make 2008 look like child's play. I'd love tax relief but as a middle class guy I got a temporary pittence that has been already swallowed up by the inflation the massive permanent business tax cut is causing which is in turn pushing up interest rates. 90% of the windfall to businesses has gone to themselves and their shareholders in the form of stock buybacks, very little to employees. And worst of all its blown a trillion dollar hole in the deficit for fiscal 2018, over twice Obama's final budget.

And as I've said RD Trump gets credit for one thing from me. He opened my eyes to the racist misogynist greedy self centered underbelly of my former party that would ever allow such an unfit unacceptable detestable individual to rise to power. At the end for me it's not about the ideology. It's the man.

Pence is far more rigidly conservative than Trump and hes soiled himself irreparably but Impeach this POS or he chokes on a Big Mac or whatever and Mike Pence is the Pres and you won't hear a peep out of me except HOORAY!!!!