Aseahawkfan wrote:I spent about 10 minutes googling Saudi Arabian general scumbag activities like sex slavery, funding terrorism including 9/11, Wahhabism/Salafism they fund the teaching of, gender discrimination, and that's the tip of a very large iceberg. The fact you think we need an investigation to act against Saudi Arabia is clear proof you don't care. You would let a man get murdered for oil and not give a rip. It's been happening for years. It's literally why I despise both these parties. This sickening relationship with Saudi Arabia is backed by both Republicans and Democrats to the detriment of the American people other than cheap oil prices, which I guess are more important to American than morals or rights.
I'm not going to admonish you with this Idhawkman, even though I'm so enraged about this trash that I can barely contain it some days. Sadly it is both Democrats, Republicans, and Americans in general that have sold our nation's values out for cheap oil. It's been a very public dirty secret for decades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia%E2%80%93United_States_relations
This is why I wonder why anyone even bothers believing in conspiracy theories. The evil so many of these folks are engaged in is public knowledge that people choose to ignore because the consequences to act are higher than they want to pay, even if it s just higher gas costs. It's out of sight, out of mind, keep the cheap oil coming and you can be the biggest scumbag monarchy in the world and keep your friends in the United States where they pretend to support life and liberty, but really just want cheap oil.
They even screw other Islamic nations. They bought 300,000 domestic female "servants" from Somalia and their government oked it. This world is such a vile place at times. It's hard not to allow it to drive you mad wanting humans to be better than they are.
I'm equally enraged, but not at trying to be diplomatic but at posts like this one that you just posted.
We all know that every country has their own values and laws, etc. We (Americans) don't agree with many of them. When one of your acquantances does something against your moral code do you:
1. Discuss it with them and try to persuade them to change and if they don't employ consequences up to disassociation with them?
2. Punch them in the face and tell them to change or else you will shoot them?
3. Just shoot them right away before knowing whether they could have changed on their own?
There are HUGE differences between our cultures this is not secret. To get them to change you have to do it in a civil and logical manner. Just like the Democrats in their Gun laws, social give-aways, Obummer care, atheism in government, etc. you have to start small and continue to increase your targets support for more and more radical change over time. Once upon a time, if a woman in Saudi Arabia was caught in a car without her husband she was declared a whore. No questions asked. No investigation if she actually participated in whoring activities. She was stoned and that was the end of it. Now, some women are being allowed to drive their own car in that country. Change has to evolve in order to be sustainable.
So my point in all this is, let the Saudi's and the Turks do their investigation. If there were rogue intel agents, consulate thugs, etc then let's see how the Saudis handle that. If it goes to the top (the prince) then lets see what they do to him. This is a critical moment for the Saudis. I like that Trump is allowing them to do the right thing. IF THEY DON'T, then I think he has to go to much heavier penalties for them which I think he can do but doubt any other president before him could. Not only are we now a net exporter of energy but his visit to their country at the start of the presidency and gathering all the representatives of the middle east for a summit gives Trump clout that I don't think any other president has had. Plus they know he means what he says, e.g. we are moving our embassy to Jeruselam.
