Kyle Rittenhouse

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Okay, then I am in the same page with you now. Did you watch that video? Perhaps it was better quality in the courtroom, but you can barely see what’s he’s doing and it is for all of maybe few seconds.. When the prosecution asked “Do you see where you raised your rifle?” Rittenhouse answered “I raised my shoulder but not my rifle.” The prosecutor didn’t pursue it any further after that. Maybe the jury will see more of it than I could, but I was surprised the prosecutor didn’t press it if he saw it as definitely raising his rifle.

I see the defense more trying to get them on a technicality than anything else. I can’t imagine the court version of the video has any more or less value than what the defense was given.

[Aseahawkfan]

Yeah I completely agree. There’s nobody to celebrate no matter the verdict . 3 basic scumbags although previously breaking the law is not a capital offense . But these are the idiot anarchists that blow the genuine opportunity for policing reforms with their overreach and overreaction .

This little white supremacist punk was looking for trouble . As the prosecutor said in closing of all the people and guns in the streets that night only one fired shots and killed people . Kyle Rittenhouse . But mark my words if he’s acquitted he will be on Fox News the next morning after partying with his white nationalist cult all night . I predict another Zimmerman . He has no remorse whatsoever , just trying to stay out of jail.

Do you know this kid is a white supremacist? That word should be very carefully used, not tossed around on everyone you don't agree with. White supremacist means something very evil. You should have to embrace that philosophy to be accounted in that evil group. Same as the word racist. People should not be tossing around words with a very specific meaning onto people they are not sure believe such ideas.

[c_hawkbob]

Do you know this kid is a white supremacist? That word should be very carefully used, not tossed around on everyone you don't agree with. White supremacist means something very evil. You should have to embrace that philosophy to be accounted in that evil group. Same as the word racist. People should not be tossing around words with a very specific meaning onto people they are not sure believe such ideas.

This is a picture of Rittenhouse hanging with a bunch of Proud Boys, an unquestionable white supremacist group, flashing the "White Power" hand sign. I think the shoe definitely fits.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... -boys-bar/

[RiverDog]

Although that photo and the story behind is a strong indicator of his allegiance, it's difficult to tell if Rittenhouse is truly a dedicated white supremist or if he was just enjoying the celebrity aspect of them making him into a martyr. As Forrest Gump would say, stupid is as stupid does.

But whether Rittenhouse is or isn't a white supremist is irrelevant to the case. The question is whether or not he was justified in shooting the three victims. His politics should have nothing to do with his guilt or innocence.

[Hawktawk]

Birds of a feather flock together . He’s a white supremacist in training. I’m sure the jury never saw that video of him with the white suoremacist group either . As has been said he’s nobody to celebrate . Proud boys and oath keepers make Antifa and BLMs point for them . Not to mention a black kid was just killed by police after being on film with his hands up for 14 seconds . So maybe here we go again .

[Aseahawkfan]

This is a picture of Rittenhouse hanging with a bunch of Proud Boys, an unquestionable white supremacist group, flashing the "White Power" hand sign. I think the shoe definitely fits.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... -boys-bar/

So one picture and a speculative story means this kid is a White Supremacist? I guess that is how the left wing media feels like painting him, then you go with it.

Kid seems kind of young to brand that way this early. He probably will become one if he ends up in prison and has no choice but to associate with hardcore white supremacists to survive in prison.

[Hawktawk]

Really ?. A picture is worth a thousand words . He’s a little white sympathizer wanna be that’s flashing that sign after killing 2 people and wounding another. And his mom is in that same bar partying .

Get a grip Asea. The kid has no remorse . He’s a white nationalist at a minimum . It’s not what’s important right now . Was it self defense or wasn’t it is the question

[Aseahawkfan]

Really ?. A picture is worth a thousand words . He’s a little white sympathizer wanna be that’s flashing that sign after killing 2 people and wounding another. And his mom is in that same bar partying .

Get a grip Asea. The kid has no remorse . He’s a white nationalist at a minimum . It’s not what’s important right now . Was it self defense or wasn’t it is the question

That entire story is based on Rittenhouse in a bar for 90 minutes drinking. Other than that story, I can't find a strong history of Rittenhouse being a White Supremacist or anything of the kind. I don't plan to buy into that narrative unless I see more evidence it fits. I know the left wants to brand almost everyone they disagree with a racist, sexist, white supremacist whatever just like the right wants to brand everyone they don't agree with a socialist, anarchist, terrorist or what not. It's a tiresome narrative I don't much buy into without far more evidence.

From what I understand, this kid also participated in police cadet programs and wanted to help protect the country from looting and vandalism. I have not read of him having a white supremacist history other than the picture Bob posted which was obviously recent and taken for propaganda purposes by the Proud Boys or whoever. I have no idea if the kid was drunk or was coaxed into it.

My hope is some kind of correct justice is done. The idea is to redeem people, not throw them away. This Rittenhouse kid doesn't seem to have some terrible criminal history. He seems like a 17 year old kid who got caught up in the idea of protecting his country and the situation went out of control during an absolutely insane time in America. Though I think he should probably serve some kind of time for what he did, I don't think he seems like the kind of person to put away for life or he is some terrible, evil person that can't be recovered.

I don't agree with the way you and c-bob see this. I certainly don't glom onto labels tossed on people based on a single picture and 90 minutes in a bar. The primary motivation this kid had for showing up to protect the city was he was a Wannabe Cop. He way overstepped his bounds. A message needs to be sent this is not right behavior, but not a lock him up and toss away the key and brand the kid something he may not even be. That doesn't seem like justice to me.

[c_hawkbob]

He's a 17 year old kid, of course you can't find a "strong history" on him.

[RiverDog]

Birds of a feather flock together . He’s a white supremacist in training. I’m sure the jury never saw that video of him with the white suoremacist group either . As has been said he’s nobody to celebrate . Proud boys and oath keepers make Antifa and BLMs point for them . Not to mention a black kid was just killed by police after being on film with his hands up for 14 seconds . So maybe here we go again .

At 17 years old and he's a white supremist in training? Maybe, maybe not. 17 year olds do all sorts of crazy chit that they regret later in adulthood. That's why we have two standards of justice for minors and adults.

I hope that the jury didn't see that picture or read that story as it could be a justification for a mistrial. Even white supremacists deserve a fair trial.

[c_hawkbob]

I hope that the jury didn't see that picture or read that story as it could be a justification for a mistrial. Even white supremacists deserve a fair trial.

Huh, and I think the picture should be part of the trial. The only way a trial is fair for everyone involved is to have all the evidence. This picture speaks to motivation and motive has always been a key part of any trial.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Pretty sure it would be viewed as prejudicial especially since it happened after the Kenosha shooting.

[RiverDog]

I hope that the jury didn't see that picture or read that story as it could be a justification for a mistrial. Even white supremacists deserve a fair trial.

Huh, and I think the picture should be part of the trial. The only way a trial is fair for everyone involved is to have all the evidence. This picture speaks to motivation and motive has always been a key part of any trial.

Pretty sure it would be viewed as prejudicial especially since it happened after the Kenosha shooting.

Exactly.

This judge, whether you like him or agree with him or not, restricted the prosecution from calling those killed and injured "victims" because it implied that a crime had been committed. I happened to disagree with that ruling, but if he was that sensitive to labels being applied to those involved, how do you think he'd react to a picture/article that suggested that the accused might have been a white supremist? And since all the "complaining witnesses" were white, how could it possibly be relevant?

Besides, IMO the prosecution isn't lacking on motivation. They've already established that Rittenhouse had given this trip some thought as he traveled some distance and came armed with an assault weapon. Why jeopardize the outcome of the trial by exposing the jury to something that isn't a critical piece of evidence?

[Hawktawk]

He had the weapon purchased for him by a straw buyer , stashed it and only possessed it when he went to the riots . As for the defense objection to the compressed footage is that the inferior resolution doesn’t show Rittenhouse as clearly . Had they had the clearer video they might have “ adjusted their defense strategy “ . Maybe not let the punk lie on the stand about pointing the weapon of war at people before being physically contacted . Having seen it it’s clear he’s doing exactly that . The video in question is the basis for the defense calling for a mistrial. The judge has said he will wait for a verdict to rule on the motion . If he’s acquitted it’s a moot point . It’s clear the judge has been favorable to the punk all along . Someone needs to explain how previous comments 15 days earlier about shooting protesters and looters is not relevant to establish frame of mind . I did just hear a legal opinion on NBC that the longer this goes the worse it looks for Rittenhouse . Another talking head opinion . Let’s see. Hopefully there isn’t more violence .

[curmudgeon]

A picture is proof of guilt……

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Hawktawk,

Did you watch the video though? The prosecution played the higher resolution video during their cross examination and closing arguments. Perhaps it looked clearer if you were present in the courtroom or the jury will see it clearer, but you can hardly tell with any certainty that he raised his rifle and pointed it at anyone. Rittenhouse answered that it looks like he raised his shoulder but not the muzzle of his rifle and the prosecution didn’t even press him. They tried to drive it home during their closing, but I think this one is a hard sell to the jury unless they see something better than what I saw. I really think the defense is looking for a technicality to get a mistrial versus being concerned about what the video shows. In either quality of video, the drone is a few hundred feet away. I don’t think they’ll get much with it.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

And Hawktawk, can you point to a source for Rittenhouse talking about shooting protesters prior to being in Kenosha. I am not saying it’s not true, but I can’t find anything saying that and I would think that would be all over since it would speak to motivation. I’ll keep looking, but if you have it I’d appreciate it.

[Hawktawk]

He definitely made the comments about taking shots and the eruption with the judge a while back was over prosecution attempting to question Rittenhouse about it . He said he had been “ inclined not to allow it “ . That’s the episode the defense is trying to get a mistrial with prejudice which would mean no appeal . Again this crack pot judge could rule anything . He’s in the bag for the defense. As I look at the video it’s pretty obvious the gun gets raised. Is it pointed directly at them? Can’t tell from the side view but it’s horizontal at one point for sure . Otherwise they wouldn’t worry about it showing Rittenhouse more clearly .

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Update. Yes, found the video. Anybody that wishes to view should google Rittenhouse CVS. I can see why it was excluded. It has somebody they claim was Rittenhouse saying if only he had his rifle as he watches what he believes to be shoplifters. Without at definitive I.D. Of who the speaker is, I don’t see how it could be admissible.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Like I said, I don’t see it as definitive of him pointing the muzzle directly at someone. I think the defense sees a mistrial as a benefit to them, so it’s worth filing the motion. But, the jury received this video, so they can sort it out.

[RiverDog]

I did just hear a legal opinion on NBC that the longer this goes the worse it looks for Rittenhouse . Another talking head opinion . Let’s see. Hopefully there isn’t more violence .

As a rule, the longer the deliberation, the more likely it will benefit the defense. Quick verdicts are almost always a conviction.

It would seem to me that this jury could be deadlocked on at least one of the charges, which would explain the length of the deliberations. At least the trial is in the wintertime when it's cold and people are less likely to protest the decision.

[c_hawkbob]

Well the verdict is in, just not announced yet ...

[RiverDog]

Not guilty on all counts. Shows you what I know.

[c_hawkbob]

Told ya the punk would walk.

[RiverDog]

Told ya the punk would walk.

Yup. I was wrong. Just another example of my thinking that everyone else thinks like me.

[c_hawkbob]

He'll be a star at some Trump supporter's campaign for sure.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

He'll be a star at some Trump supporter's campaign for sure.

I thought the reckless endangerment charges may have stuck, but I didn’t think they had the case for the higher charges. I am not celebrating the outcome, but was more concerned with this being tried on evidence and not feelings.


I really hope this won’t be the case, c_hawkbob. If he runs, he’ll undoubtedly reference this incident and trial. I hope Kyle chooses to lay low. Stay out of all this. He could have very well seen a worse outcome and he’s barely started his life. This will likely be a political lightning rod which is really not what we need.

[Hawktawk]

There are already right wing politicians and groups sharing this on FB including a trump for president group . Thank God I shut off right wing propaganda such as Faux years ago . I won’t be watching people gloat over 2 dead and one wounded and a little triggered punk walking around . Get ready for more guns , more shootings every time there’s a demonstration . Hopefully it doesn’t start today .

[c_hawkbob]

There are already right wing politicians and groups sharing this on FB including a trump for president group . Thank God I shut off right wing propaganda such as Faux years ago . I won’t be watching people gloat over 2 dead and one wounded and a little triggered punk walking around . Get ready for more guns , more shootings every time there’s a demonstration . Hopefully it doesn’t start today .

Yup. Wisconsin has just declared open season on rioters.

[RiverDog]

Get ready for more guns , more shootings every time there’s a demonstration . Hopefully it doesn’t start today .

I'm not sure if there wouldn't have been more of that had we gotten a guilty verdict.

Let's hope there's no violence. It's been a rough couple of years.

[Aseahawkfan]

This verdict doesn't seem great. I guess we'll see in time. Seems too lenient. I guess another example of an extremely polarized nation that don't need much to go at each other's throats.

[RiverDog]

This verdict doesn't seem great. I guess we'll see in time. Seems too lenient. I guess another example of an extremely polarized nation that don't need much to go at each other's throats.

I obviously thought he shouldn't have walked, either, based on the evidence I saw. But I guess you have to place faith in the wise old creed that I'd rather see 10 guilty men go free than convict one innocent man. I wasn't in the jury box and didn't get to see all of the evidence.

[Aseahawkfan]

He's a 17 year old kid, of course you can't find a "strong history" on him.

Exactly. That's why I don't agree with how he is being used and wish the nation would have an idea of real justice rather than a political talking point and lightning rod.

He's a 17 year old kid watching his country get ripped apart who took action in a way that is inappropriate and went horribly wrong. There should have been a way to send a message that this isn't appropriate, shouldn't be replicated, while at the same time not having to find some way to brand Rittenhouse a White Supremacist. But America doesn't bother to be reasonable any longer. It's all about being extreme and making extreme examples. Every Trump supporter is a racist. Every Biden supporter is a socialist. Every white person is pro-police and believe the police can do anything they want. Every black person is anti-police and wants them defunded.

That's modern America. Nonsensical, divided, and heavily manipulated by a biased media looking for ratings and willing to prey on every fear, prejudice, and bad emotion in America.

It's sickening.

[Aseahawkfan]

I obviously thought he shouldn't have walked, either, based on the evidence I saw. But I guess you have to place faith in the wise old creed that I'd rather see 10 guilty men go free than convict one innocent man. I wasn't in the jury box and didn't get to see all of the evidence.

Yeah. I'm not there. Don't know any of these people. And I live in Washington State where they allowed protesters to take over six city blocks and loot and vandalize for months. I don't agree with that either, but the Democrats think that is acceptable behavior in Washington State.

Seems anyone with a middle ground viewpoint isn't going to see much of their opinion enacted. The only viewpoints in America right now are hardcore for or against something, not a well-reasoned response that mitigates harm and encourages Americans to keep their emotions in check.

[curmudgeon]

Rittenhouse is about to become very wealthy ala Nick Sandman. The slanderous media, government figures, et al will be held financially accountable…..

[RiverDog]

Rittenhouse is about to become very wealthy ala Nick Sandman. The slanderous media, government figures, et al will be held financially accountable…..

That or he'll become the target of an individual or group of individuals that will subject him to their own system of justice.

[c_hawkbob]

Matt Gaetz is going to offer him an internship. Not making that up.

[Aseahawkfan]

That or he'll become the target of an individual or group of individuals that will subject him to their own system of justice.

Just a question, maybe you can answer it, when was the last time you saw Americans get particularly up in arms about a person of European descent being killed? All three of the men killed or wounded by Rittenhouse were of European descent. In general, America doesn't care when anyone other than a person of African descent gets shot or killed.

If you're Asian, Latin, European, or just about any other ethnic group in America, no one cares if you get murdered by the police or anyone else.

Just like the only people I see get noticed if kidnapped is women of European descent, usually a young pretty women, generally blonde.

The media has certain types of events that they must have internal metrics sell well when publicized. Dead males of any group other than African descent doesn't sell and very few people care. I can't remember the last time I saw riots or an extreme reaction for the murder of a person from any other group than African ancestry.

Maybe it will be different this time, but I'm doubtful. Rittenshouse killed people that not many people care if they died. He'll have the best chance of blending into the background in the coming years if he keeps a low profile.

[Aseahawkfan]

Matt Gaetz is going to offer him an internship. Not making that up.

The right and Republicans are ecstatic he got off. Just another example of where we're headed as a nation.

[curmudgeon]

Rittenhouse is about to become very wealthy ala Nick Sandman. The slanderous media, government figures, et al will be held financially accountable…..