Let The S*** Show Begin

[NorthHawk]

elect a CLOWN, expect a circus. Next!

NYTimes reported that Kennedy’s lawyer has asked to have the polio vaccine approval removed.

[River Dog]

NYTimes reported that Kennedy’s lawyer has asked to have the polio vaccine approval removed.

Not surprising. Kennedy claims that there were more people killed by the polio vaccine than were saved by it. The guy is a certified lunatic.

[NorthHawk]

I just saw that the list also includes the tetanus and hepatitis vaccines.
I sure hope they aren’t successful.

[River Dog]

I just saw that the list also includes the tetanus and hepatitis vaccines.
I sure hope they aren’t successful.

Keep in mind that JFK Jr. still has to be confirmed by the Senate. Mitch McConnell, a polio survivor, had this to say:

McConnell added that efforts to undermine confidence in the (polio) vaccine are dangerous and suggested Kennedy should make it clear he doesn’t agree with Siri's (JFK Jr.'s lawyer) views if he wants to be confirmed as health secretary.

"Anyone seeking the Senate's consent to serve in the incoming Administration would do well to steer clear of even the appearance of association with such efforts (to de-authorize the polio vaccine)," McConnell said.

JFK Jr. did a flip flop on weight loss drugs after Elon Musk said that they should be made cheaper and more accessible to the public.

I wouldn't get too concerned about JFK Jr. banning vaccines until he's confirmed. Besides, he can't rescind authorization for the vaccines on his own. It has to be rescinded by a panel put together by the FDA made up of doctors and scientists, and that is extremely unlikely. Even Trump would have a tough time banning them as he'd undoubtedly have a huge legal battle to wage.

The biggest threat that JFK Jr. poses is that he's likely to spread misinformation and fear and cause a lot of people not to get vaccinated. He's made some outrageous, completely unsupported claims, like equating vaccines with the holocaust and that the Covid vaccines were the deadliest ever.

[NorthHawk]

They just have to stack the panel with Trump loyalists and the deal is done. McConnell is a big part of this mess and now he's worried? He's no longer the leader he once was and all the other Republicans are in lock step with Trump with the possible exception of the two women, one from Alaska (Murkowski?) and the other from I think Massachusetts and I have doubts about both. Perhaps Trump would think it's not worth fighting about, but I don't think that's in his character.

[River Dog]

They just have to stack the panel with Trump loyalists and the deal is done. McConnell is a big part of this mess and now he's worried? He's no longer the leader he once was and all the other Republicans are in lock step with Trump with the possible exception of the two women, one from Alaska (Murkowski?) and the other from I think Massachusetts and I have doubts about both. Perhaps Trump would think it's not worth fighting about, but I don't think that's in his character.

Not all the R's are in lock step with Trump. That's why Matt Gaetz withdrew his nomination and why Trump is looking at potential replacements for Pete Hegseth, his defense secretary nominee. Trump's nominees can afford to lose just 3 defections in the Senate.

Hegseth might make it as he's been in full throttle damage control, recently saying that he'd release a sexual assault accuser of a NDA she had signed, but RFK Jr.'s nomination might be in trouble. McConnell might not be the leader of the Senate anymore, but he still carries quite a bit of weight amongst R's, and if RFK loses him over his anti vax stance, others like Ernst, Collins, and Murkowski could follow.

And as long as we're talking about moderate Senate Republicans, there's still a handful besides Collins (ME), Murkowski (AK), and Ernst (IA). John Curtis, who was elected to take over Mitt Romney's seat, is reported to have the same centrist attitude that Romney had. Bill Cassidy (LA) voted to impeach Trump and isn't afraid to buck him if he doesn't like something. Tood Young (IN) did not endorse Trump over Trump's refusal to call Putin a criminal. Trump is still going to have to smooth talk those folks.

I do agree that in general, the Republican party is 90% MAGA and in lock step with Trump, but with such a slim majority in both houses of Congress, Trump can't count on them to rubber stamp everything he puts forth. It will be an interesting 4 years to say the least.

[Spohawk5092]

looking more likely we are facing a government shutdown. Trump voters are getting exactly what they voted for!

[River Dog]

looking more likely we are facing a government shutdown. Trump voters are getting exactly what they voted for!

It's not just Trump voters who put Trump in office. The Democrats have plenty of blame to spread around. How in the heck can they not be able to beat a candidate who is a convicted criminal and with such a distasteful personality? Our good friend CBob said it himself back when Trump was first nominated back in 2016, and I'm paraphrasing here...that Trump was the best Democratic candidate the Republicans ever nominated, meaning that it should have been a piece of cake for the Dems to have beaten him.

[Spohawk5092]

not disagreeing with you. Dems. should never have nominated such an old man to be President in the first place, which set up the looming disaster for Harris. If the party is smart they will rebuild immediately and get younger charismatic people in office. And in 2028 the Dem will have to be white straight and charismatic to win imo. They need to start getting podcasts going and talk show radio that leans left as well. So much work to do!

[River Dog]

not disagreeing with you. Dems. should never have nominated such an old man to be President in the first place, which set up the looming disaster for Harris. If the party is smart they will rebuild immediately and get younger charismatic people in office. And in 2028 the Dem will have to be white straight and charismatic to win imo. They need to start getting podcasts going and talk show radio that leans left as well. So much work to do!

Nominating Biden in 2020 wasn't a mistake. He was one of the few Dem candidates, considered somewhat of a centrist, who could beat Trump. The problems started when the Dems covered up Biden's compromised mental state, limiting press conferences and interviews, denying reports coming out of the Oval Office that he was often confused, etc, until they got to a point when they had to put him out there by himself in a nationally televised debate. He should have bowed out before the primaries so the Dems could have vetted their candidates in front of the voters.

Harris was a terrible candidate. She was way too liberal to appeal to the moderates that both parties need to win a national election. The Dems have linked themselves with issues and ideologies that do not appeal to the moderate voter, like defund the police/law and order, gender identification, DEI, and other social issues that have turned off the American middle class they once owned. They don't talk about economic issues and instead keep flailing away by talking about abortion and the overturning of Roe v. Wade. They need to do a complete reset/reboot if they hope to get any traction. Their current strategy isn't working.

[Spohawk5092]

I think it was a mistake, not that I want the idiot. Should have gone with someone younger, and there were others. Harris biggest flaw was she was black and a woman. GOP hates both, lol.

[River Dog]

I think it was a mistake, not that I want the idiot. Should have gone with someone younger, and there were others. Harris biggest flaw was she was black and a woman. GOP hates both, lol.

The extremist in the GOP, the ones that "hate blacks and women", aren't going to vote for a Democrat no matter what their race or gender is. Moderate Republicans have no problems with either attribute. I consider myself to be a social moderate/fiscal conservative who tends to vote Republican, and my favorite candidate is Nikki Haley. The country has already elected a black president and done so twice. Harris's race and gender were the least of her problems. The fact that she comes from California IMO played more of a role in how moderates perceived her than did the fact that she was female and black.

Harris ran a lousy campaign. She got a nice bump when Biden first threw in the towel and endorsed her, but she didn't maintain that momentum. After the convention, both her and her running mate went into hiding, wouldn't do interviews for weeks, letting Trump and Vance define her. She concentrated too much on abortion courting people that were already going to vote for her and didn't spend enough time on economic issues and border security that meant more to moderates. Even though Biden was very unpopular with job approval numbers in the high 30's/low 40's, she refused to put any daylight between him and her.

[Spohawk5092]

Truly a dark day in American history as Trump is sworn in. WE have our first criminal President of the United States. We should have done so much better.

[4XPIPS]

As an American living in New Zealand, it's quite interesting to see the perspective of Kiwis here on their view of America. It's said when Fox News comes out with this narrative that the entire world wants to be an American Citizen, and that is everyone's(outside of the US) dream. Most of my Kiwi co-workers laugh at that notion.

[Aseahawkfan]

As an American living in New Zealand, it's quite interesting to see the perspective of Kiwis here on their view of America. It's said when Fox News comes out with this narrative that the entire world wants to be an American Citizen, and that is everyone's(outside of the US) dream. Most of my Kiwi co-workers laugh at that notion.

And what I find amusing about this is if New Zealand were invaded, I wonder who their first phone call for help would be to? A lot of people love American money and help, but don't really care much about America and what it takes to be the country every free nation can call for help.

It isn't New Zealand helping Ukraine withstand Russia. It wasn't New Zealand who ensured South Korea didn't become a Communist hell hole like North Korea. It wasn't New Zealand that stood against Germany and Japan as they were moving to conquer the world.

It's astounding how many nations forget what America does for this world until things start going bad, then eyes to turn to America for help. We Americans who the rest of the world makes fun of are expected to step up and restore freedom and order as we have done in every major world war and for many, many nations around the world.

It certainly isn't New Zealand's currency acting as a stabilizing reserve currency for world order or their Navy keeping world trade operating. I love how nations like New Zealand benefit from our stabilizing influence, while looking at us like what? Like we're stupid?

[Aseahawkfan]

Truly a dark day in American history as Trump is sworn in. WE have our first criminal President of the United States. We should have done so much better.

Horsecrap. We've had far darker days and worse men in office than Trump even though they don't have some ticky tack felony for paying off women to label him a criminal. But not enough Americans know their history to realize this.

I've read your posts. Nothing but a leftist who wants to pretend racism and sexism prevented Kamala from getting votes, when it was the fact Democrat polices are bad. Which is why they lost all three branches of government, not just the presidency.

How about the Democrats and left realizing their bad policies and changing them? Right now Democrats are the party of elite rich academics who think they can shove their ideas down Americans throats.

I watched a video showing New York's congestion pricing to ensure private cars aren't driven during peak traffic. Sounds smart on paper, but it could also be interpreted as making the cost of driving your car in the city expensive meaning the working class are forced onto the subway while the wealthy who can easily afford to pay the cost of driving their private car on the streets with fewer plebes around. Democratic policy answer for congestion in New York is make it expensive which once again is a policy that benefits the rich elites in New York.

So which party is for the working class? American working class people can see the Democrats are no longer friendly to them though some are still holding on to they hope they are. Mainstream Republicans aren't working class. Trump won by making it seem like he cares about working class Americans.

What are Democrats worried about? Comfortable chickens in Washington State massively driving up egg prices. Environmental policy that increases costs for working class Americans as businesses pass on the increased costs to consumers. And whether or not your boys can be girls.

That's why even the unions are mixed on supporting Democrats at this point because they can see the direction of the Democratic Party and it isn't great.

But you keep telling yourself all those Trump voters are all just bad, evil people if that's what makes you feel better and ignoring the problems in the Democratic Party. I'll keep hoping someone sane rises up to govern the nation at some point to bring America back from choosing between two really bad options.

There's my random thoughts as we inaugurate a president that says stupid, crazy crap and yet still beat the Democrats soundly and to the tune of losing all branches of government because Democrats can't see how far they have strayed from being the party of working class Americans to the party of rich, disconnected academics and liberals who view working class Americans as ignorant masses they have to manage like they do cattle with subsistence welfare and forced government policy that uses the legal system and taxes like a cattle prod.

[4XPIPS]

And what I find amusing about this is if New Zealand were invaded, I wonder who their first phone call for help would be to? A lot of people love American money and help, but don't really care much about America and what it takes to be the country every free nation can call for help.

It isn't New Zealand helping Ukraine withstand Russia. It wasn't New Zealand who ensured South Korea didn't become a Communist hell hole like North Korea. It wasn't New Zealand that stood against Germany and Japan as they were moving to conquer the world.

It's astounding how many nations forget what America does for this world until things start going bad, then eyes to turn to America for help. We Americans who the rest of the world makes fun of are expected to step up and restore freedom and order as we have done in every major world war and for many, many nations around the world.

It certainly isn't New Zealand's currency acting as a stabilizing reserve currency for world order or their Navy keeping world trade operating. I love how nations like New Zealand benefit from our stabilizing influence, while looking at us like what? Like we're stupid?

You are missing my point Aseahawkfan. And based on your reaction you make it seem like that New Zealand owes the US something, for what? It's this type of ignorant thinking is why I enjoy living in this beautiful country.

If we focus on the topic I am talking about is there is this belief that everyone(not a US citizen) has this ultimate desire to want to be an American Citizen. At this was a reaction to Fox News, just so you don't think I am making it up here is the clip that we were watching. It's this ignorant belief that everyone wants to be an American Citizen. Also I like to point out that Fox News does not represent you or anyone here, and I know many Americans don't see it this way. So yes, Kiwis should be aloud to laugh that clip all they want.

https://fb.watch/xeCT8GH5rf/

[River Dog]

I guess I'm kinda in the middle of this debate.

Yes, a whole helluva lot of people want to become Americans and live in the United States. But I can understand why people who live in 2nd world, industrialized nations like New Zealand don't want anything to do with us, especially in our current state with crime, homelessness, wildfires, divisive politics, and so many other problems that we seem to have more of than other countries.

And yes, Trump is in my opinion the worst President we've had in my lifetime, and that includes Ike, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43, Obama, and Biden. In addition to being the only convicted criminal to serve as POTUS, he is the only POTUS to have been impeached twice. It is exactly what the thread title says it is: A s**t show.

But I do agree that there are a lot of people and countries around the world that take the United States for granted, that do not recognize the important role that we play in the world, that without us, they'd be helpless against countries like China and Russia. It's our presence as the world's policeman that keeps the bad guys in check.

One of the things I'm worried about is Trump's threats to apply sanctions to every country he doesn't like for one reason or another. If he follows through with his threats, it's going to make Biden's inflation look like a church picnic and destroy this economy.

Oh, and BTW 4XPIPS, I'm going to be in your neck of the woods next month. I have a two-week tour of Australia scheduled from 2/24-3/11.

[c_hawkbob]

Darkest day in my memory. On Martin Luthor King Jr Day we've got a South African born shadow president throwing up a Nazi salute to a cheering crowd of neo fascist pretend patriots.

[4XPIPS]

Darkest day in my memory. On Martin Luthor King Jr Day we've got a South African born shadow president throwing up a Nazi salute to a cheering crowd of neo fascist pretend patriots.

When I saw that on I thought some AI generated it, but once I saw that pop up on mainstream media I was absolutely disgusted. Talk about a person who is rich and powerful that he can just do whatever he wants, and guess what who is going to stop him.

[4XPIPS]

I guess I'm kinda in the middle of this debate.

Yes, a whole helluva lot of people want to become Americans and live in the United States. But I can understand why people who live in 2nd world, industrialized nations like New Zealand don't want anything to do with us, especially in our current state with crime, homelessness, wildfires, divisive politics, and so many other problems that we seem to have more of than other countries.

And yes, Trump is in my opinion the worst President we've had in my lifetime, and that includes Ike, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43, Obama, and Biden. In addition to being the only convicted criminal to serve as POTUS, he is the only POTUS to have been impeached twice. It is exactly what the thread title says it is: A s**t show.

But I do agree that there are a lot of people and countries around the world that take the United States for granted, that do not recognize the important role that we play in the world, that without us, they'd be helpless against countries like China and Russia. It's our presence as the world's policeman that keeps the bad guys in check.

One of the things I'm worried about is Trump's threats to apply sanctions to every country he doesn't like for one reason or another. If he follows through with his threats, it's going to make Biden's inflation look like a church picnic and destroy this economy.

Oh, and BTW 4XPIPS, I'm going to be in your neck of the woods next month. I have a two-week tour of Australia scheduled from 2/24-3/11.

Awesome, are you coming to Auckland or going to the South Island? I am taking a 7 day Camper Van Trip to the South Island during March.

[c_hawkbob]

Darkest day in my memory. On Martin Luthor King Jr Day we've got a South African born shadow president throwing up a Nazi salute to a cheering crowd of neo fascist pretend patriots.

When I saw that on I thought some AI generated it, but once I saw that pop up on mainstream media I was absolutely disgusted. Talk about a person who is rich and powerful that he can just do whatever he wants, and guess what who is going to stop him.

Yeah and course the media is calling it a "Roman" salute...

[River Dog]

Oh, and BTW 4XPIPS, I'm going to be in your neck of the woods next month. I have a two-week tour of Australia scheduled from 2/24-3/11.

Awesome, are you coming to Auckland or going to the South Island? I am taking a 7 day Camper Van Trip to the South Island during March.

You misunderstood me. I will be in your general vicinity, in Australia. I will not be visiting New Zealand, at least not on this trip. The only tours of both Australia and New Zealand that I could find that fit my budget and time constraints did not include the interior of Australia. But New Zealand is on my bucket list.

I'll fly into Melbourne then the tour takes us to Uluru for a few days, a few days in Sydney, then up north to Port Douglas and the Great Barrier Reef. I'll then spend a night in Cairns before flying back to Sydney then return from there across the pond. Not including Antartica, Australia is the last continent I have yet to set foot on.

[River Dog]

Darkest day in my memory. On Martin Luthor King Jr Day we've got a South African born shadow president throwing up a Nazi salute to a cheering crowd of neo fascist pretend patriots.

I'm not defending Musk or Trump as I like neither, but to be fair, I have to point out that the ADL defended Musk in saying that he did not intend his gesture to be interpreted as a Nazi salute:

The Anti Defamation League (ADL), an organisation founded to combat anti-Semitism which has criticised Musk in the past, defended his actions this time around.

“It seems that Elon Musk made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute,” the organization said in a statement posted on X.

https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/po ... ing-viral/

[c_hawkbob]

I'm not defending Musk or Trump as I like neither, but to be fair, I have to point out that the ADL defended Musk in saying that he did not intend his gesture to be interpreted as a Nazi salute:

The Anti Defamation League (ADL), an organisation founded to combat anti-Semitism which has criticised Musk in the past, defended his actions this time around.

“It seems that Elon Musk made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute,” the organization said in a statement posted on X.

https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/po ... ing-viral/

Well wasn't that nice of them.

[4XPIPS]

I'm not defending Musk or Trump as I like neither, but to be fair, I have to point out that the ADL defended Musk in saying that he did not intend his gesture to be interpreted as a Nazi salute:

The Anti Defamation League (ADL), an organisation founded to combat anti-Semitism which has criticised Musk in the past, defended his actions this time around.

“It seems that Elon Musk made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute,” the organization said in a statement posted on X.

https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/po ... ing-viral/

Well wasn't that nice of them.

The pure fact that they had to actually comment on it, says something

[c_hawkbob]

I suppose lowering the temperature is the responsible reaction.

[River Dog]

The pure fact that they (the ADL) had to actually comment on it, says something

I'm not following you. It's very understandable for people to look at Musk's actions, whether it was intentionally a Nazi salute or an innocent gesture that looked like one, some people are going to assume that it was, so the ADL pretty much had to comment as their job is to fight anti Semitism.

Even in sports, players will make gestures that could be interpreted as a Nazi salute when they thump their chest with a closed right fist then shove their arm in the air at a 45-degree angle pointing to the crowd, heaven, et al. They usually have a pointed right index finger, which differs it from a Nazi salute with an open palm, but it still resembles one. Musk could very easily have simply made an awkward movement and had no intent for it to be interpreted as Nazi or Roman salute, which is why the ADL felt compelled to comment.

Musk claims that his gesture was meant to say to the crowd that "my heart goes out to you," but liberals aren't buying it. I guess it depends on your politics.

Here's more of what the ADL, which is definitely not pro Trump, had to say about the controversy:

“In this moment, all sides should give one another a bit of grace, perhaps even the benefit of the doubt, and take a breath,” the ADL said. “This is a new beginning. Let’s hope for healing and work toward unity in the months and years ahead.”

I wholeheartedly agree. Let's turn down the temperature.

[4XPIPS]

I'm not following you. It's very understandable for people to look at Musk's actions, whether it was intentionally a Nazi salute or an innocent gesture that looked like one, some people are going to assume that it was, so the ADL pretty much had to comment as their job is to fight anti Semitism.

Even in sports, players will make gestures that could be interpreted as a Nazi salute when they thump their chest with a closed right fist then shove their arm in the air at a 45-degree angle pointing to the crowd, heaven, et al. They usually have a pointed right index finger, which differs it from a Nazi salute with an open palm, but it still resembles one. Musk could very easily have simply made an awkward movement and had no intent for it to be interpreted as Nazi or Roman salute, which is why the ADL felt compelled to comment.

Musk claims that his gesture was meant to say to the crowd that "my heart goes out to you," but liberals aren't buying it. I guess it depends on your politics.

Here's more of what the ADL, which is definitely not pro Trump, had to say about the controversy:

“In this moment, all sides should give one another a bit of grace, perhaps even the benefit of the doubt, and take a breath,” the ADL said. “This is a new beginning. Let’s hope for healing and work toward unity in the months and years ahead.”

I wholeheartedly agree. Let's turn down the temperature.

To make any comparison in sports to his gesture is ludicrous in my opinion. No sports players at least currently playing, is any power of control or influential to an entire nation that Elon currently has. I like Bob's reference as the Shadow President. Justify it, rationalize it, or demonize it, it makes no difference to me. I know what I saw, and I believe what I saw. For Elon to do this on a stage when America is taking a pivotal stance towards the entire world while they are all watching, it sure signifies a proud moment and to make a gesture like that and not think it looks anything like a Nazi salute. That's laughable. Anyhow, I guess the worst is yet to come as the the President has sworn and oath to protect and uphold the constitution, and immediately is trying to sign exec orders against the 14th Amendment.

[River Dog]

I'm not following you. It's very understandable for people to look at Musk's actions, whether it was intentionally a Nazi salute or an innocent gesture that looked like one, some people are going to assume that it was, so the ADL pretty much had to comment as their job is to fight anti Semitism.

Even in sports, players will make gestures that could be interpreted as a Nazi salute when they thump their chest with a closed right fist then shove their arm in the air at a 45-degree angle pointing to the crowd, heaven, et al. They usually have a pointed right index finger, which differs it from a Nazi salute with an open palm, but it still resembles one. Musk could very easily have simply made an awkward movement and had no intent for it to be interpreted as Nazi or Roman salute, which is why the ADL felt compelled to comment.

Musk claims that his gesture was meant to say to the crowd that "my heart goes out to you," but liberals aren't buying it. I guess it depends on your politics.

Here's more of what the ADL, which is definitely not pro Trump, had to say about the controversy:

“In this moment, all sides should give one another a bit of grace, perhaps even the benefit of the doubt, and take a breath,” the ADL said. “This is a new beginning. Let’s hope for healing and work toward unity in the months and years ahead.”

I wholeheartedly agree. Let's turn down the temperature.

To make any comparison in sports to his gesture is ludicrous in my opinion. No sports players at least currently playing, is any power of control or influential to an entire nation that Elon currently has. I like Bob's reference as the Shadow President. Justify it, rationalize it, or demonize it, it makes no difference to me. I know what I saw, and I believe what I saw. For Elon to do this on a stage when America is taking a pivotal stance towards the entire world while they are all watching, it sure signifies a proud moment and to make a gesture like that and not think it looks anything like a Nazi salute. That's laughable. Anyhow, I guess the worst is yet to come as the the President has sworn and oath to protect and uphold the constitution, and immediately is trying to sign exec orders against the 14th Amendment.

There are other examples besides sports. People will often times lock their elbow and point to the sky in that manner, gesturing to the heavens to thank the Almighty, acknowledging applause from fans in the balcony, or whatever. I've seen actors and musicians do it when they receive awards. My point was that there are other gestures similar to the one Musk made that could be interpreted as Nazi/Roman if we are determined to try and put 2 and 2 together.

I do agree that Musk made a terrible decision to make that kind of gesture in a situation like that. Social media and the liberal press is having a heart attack about it. And there's Nazis and skin heads that are celebrating his gesture. But unless someone can come up with some other type of evidence, if he's done it in the past or if he's said something that would indicate support for Nazism or fascism, it's my position that he be given the benefit of the doubt.

I agree completely with your last sentence. Musk's salute is the least of our worries. I'm much more concerned with some of Trump's cabinet appointments than I am this silly stuff. We have 4 more years of this $hit show to bear.

[NorthHawk]

What makes his actions considered to be a Nazi salute is his previous statements in support of far right and Neo Nazi groups in both Europe and NA. Had this been just a one off then it could probably slide but given his previous statements it makes me wonder.

[River Dog]

What makes his actions considered to be a Nazi salute is his previous statements in support of far right and Neo Nazi groups in both Europe and NA. Had this been just a one off then it could probably slide but given his previous statements it makes me wonder.

Well, I wonder too. Maybe he did mean it as has been suggested. But I'm of the same mind as that of the ADL, that we need to turn down the volume, let things settle out a bit. If you go out looking for a fight, you're probably going to get one.

And like I said, there's lots more important things, tangible stuff that I'm worried about, like Trump's threatened tariffs. Who gives a rip about Elon Musk.

[4XPIPS]

Anders Vistisen told Mr. Trump to F**K Off.

Epic

[c_hawkbob]

Anders Vistisen told Mr. Trump to F**K Off.

Epic

As cool as Pastor Mariann Edgar Budde making him squirm at his inauguration day sermon. She's getting death threats now, as I recon will Mr Vistisen, though his from crazies afar.

[c_hawkbob]

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/danish-la ... 9888069703

[River Dog]

Yeah, some of this idiocy that comes out of Trump's mouth, like buying Greenland, is so insane that it's beyond laughable, like re-naming the Gulf of Mexico. And to think that we have 4 more years of this crapola. Boy, Saturday Night Live is going to have a field day.

[4XPIPS]

Yeah, some of this idiocy that comes out of Trump's mouth, like buying Greenland, is so insane that it's beyond laughable, like re-naming the Gulf of Mexico. And to think that we have 4 more years of this crapola. Boy, Saturday Night Live is going to have a field day.

The sad truth is that I have family members who live in Texas who voted for Trump, and told me had they known his agenda regarding either Panama Canal, Greenland, and trying to annex Canada. They would have thought twice about voting for him. They said none of these topics were ever brought up during his campaigns. Well talk about pulling the rug right from under you.

[River Dog]

Yeah, some of this idiocy that comes out of Trump's mouth, like buying Greenland, is so insane that it's beyond laughable, like re-naming the Gulf of Mexico. And to think that we have 4 more years of this crapola. Boy, Saturday Night Live is going to have a field day.

The sad truth is that I have family members who live in Texas who voted for Trump, and told me had they known his agenda regarding either Panama Canal, Greenland, and trying to annex Canada. They would have thought twice about voting for him. They said none of these topics were ever brought up during his campaigns. Well talk about pulling the rug right from under you.

Well, if they were paying attention, your family members shouldn't be surprised. Trump's been saying outrageous things like that for at least the past 8 years. Remember when he said that he was going to build a multi billion dollar border wall and Mexico would pay for it? He's also said that he was going to end birthright citizenship, that he'd send the army to the southern border, all sorts of things that he doesn't have the power to do. More so than his politics, that's the main reason why I voted against Trump, because he's an asshat moron, and I don't want him representing my country.

[4XPIPS]

Well, if they were paying attention, your family members shouldn't be surprised. Trump's been saying outrageous things like that for at least the past 8 years. Remember when he said that he was going to build a multi billion dollar border wall and Mexico would pay for it? He's also said that he was going to end birthright citizenship, that he'd send the army to the southern border, all sorts of things that he doesn't have the power to do. More so than his politics, that's the main reason why I voted against Trump, because he's an asshat moron, and I don't want him representing my country.

They ain't the brightest. They live in Texas, and pretty much follows what their local church tells them to do. I am the outlier in the family.

[River Dog]

Well, if they were paying attention, your family members shouldn't be surprised. Trump's been saying outrageous things like that for at least the past 8 years. Remember when he said that he was going to build a multi billion dollar border wall and Mexico would pay for it? He's also said that he was going to end birthright citizenship, that he'd send the army to the southern border, all sorts of things that he doesn't have the power to do. More so than his politics, that's the main reason why I voted against Trump, because he's an asshat moron, and I don't want him representing my country.

They ain't the brightest. They live in Texas, and pretty much follows what their local church tells them to do. I am the outlier in the family.

Hehe. I remember telling my friends that Bush 43 wasn't really dumb, that he was from Texas, so naturally he's going to look and sound dumb.

Between Trump's cabinet appointments, his buy Greenland proposal, annex Canada, re-take the Panama Canal, re-name the Gulf of Mexico, and his geographical wizardry of putting Paris in Germany, telling the PM of India that at least he doesn't have to worry about China being on their border, and that Colorado shares a border with Mexico, something is seriously wrong with that man's mind.