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OK, let's see if we can keep up with this:

Trump claimed that his father was born in Germany when he was clearly born in New York.

Claimed that "one to two percent" of people return for their immigration hearing when the actual number is 72%.

Claimed that noise from windmills causes cancer and are a graveyard for birds.

Worried that his speech would be "leaked to the press" as if he's unaware that anything the POTUS says is watched and heard by millions and was being televised live on CSPAN.

Can anyone with a straight face wonder why it is that I say that I don't trust a single thing that Trump says unless it's already a proven fact or if someone else corroborates it?

RiverDog wrote:OK, let's see if we can keep up with this:

Trump claimed that his father was born in Germany when he was clearly born in New York.

Claimed that "one to two percent" of people return for their immigration hearing when the actual number is 72%.

Claimed that noise from windmills causes cancer and are a graveyard for birds.

Worried that his speech would be "leaked to the press" as if he's unaware that anything the POTUS says is watched and heard by millions and was being televised live on CSPAN.

Can anyone with a straight face wonder why it is that I say that I don't trust a single thing that Trump says unless it's already a proven fact or if someone else corroborates it?

https://www.yahoo.com/now/for-trump-com ... 47750.html

Don't forget this RD. This is the week the Mueller team started pushing back.

Don't forget his ridiculous threat to actually close ports of entry from Mexico. Also dumping his own nominee for the head of ICE who had broad support among republicans who had stuck their neck out to support the guy.

Also lets remember his "oranges" speech. Complaining about the democrats wanting to see the report that he says exonerates him he clearly stated 4 out of 5 times than people should look at the "oranges" of the report. Once out of 5, attempt 2 or 3 he got it right and said origins.

I've been saying for years hes not right upstairs and have been ridiculed on this forum. For those who want to continue to argue I dare you to google any speech hes given from 15 or 20 years ago. he was always a smart ass punk guy who needed his face rearranged but he was smooth with a voluminous vocabulary and a sense of humor.Now hes a perpetually angry guy who repeats himself constantly himself with broken choppy language, curse words and a perpetual scowl.

Staunch defender of his policies Tucker Carlson on his state run media outlet Faux said yesterday that he wonders if Trump is actually trying to sabotage his own reelection.

One can hope. Republicans need to get serious about a primary challenge IMO. 2 more years of this is not going to go well.

Hawktawk wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/now/for-trump-complete-and-total-exoneration-aint-what-it-used-to-be-190747750.html

Don't forget this RD. This is the week the Mueller team started pushing back.

Don't forget his ridiculous threat to actually close ports of entry from Mexico. Also dumping his own nominee for the head of ICE who had broad support among republicans who had stuck their neck out to support the guy.

Good point.

Hawktawk wrote:I've been saying for years hes not right upstairs and have been ridiculed on this forum.

The reason why you've been ridiculed is due to your "orange haired witch" rants. Personally I think you have a very good grasp on the issues surrounding the POTUS if you'd just leave out the colorful metaphors.

Hawktawk wrote:For those who want to continue to argue I dare you to google any speech hes given from 15 or 20 years ago. he was always a smart ass punk guy who needed his face rearranged but he was smooth with a voluminous vocabulary and a sense of humor.Now hes a perpetually angry guy who repeats himself constantly himself with broken choppy language, curse words and a perpetual scowl.

It could be due to other factors, such as his advancing age. My wife used to work in a nursing home, and just about everybody's mind goes through some sort of change as they get into their 70's, some earlier than others, some more profound than others. It doesn't necessarily mean that he's suffering from mental illness, but I do agree that it's one of several factors that make him such a poor leader.

Hawktawk wrote:Staunch defender of his policies Tucker Carlson on his state run media outlet Faux said yesterday that he wonders if Trump is actually trying to sabotage his own reelection. One can hope. Republicans need to get serious about a primary challenge IMO. 2 more years of this is not going to go well.

See, there you go again: State run media, Faux, etc. It doesn't do anything to advance your argument.

IMO the next two years won't be any worse than the first two except due to his losing the House, he's not going to be getting anything on his agenda through, unless you want to count on his making "emergency declarations." More like get out your popcorn and watch him make a fool of himself for another two years.

I have trouble linking quotes and responding to them individually without it being a jumbled mess so I will just respond to the salient responses in your post one by one.

My crazy orange witch tag for Trump was a not far from the truth name. Hes crazy or mentally ill or in mental decline or whatever you want to call it and I've been on it since long before he was nominated.Normal aging doesn't explain it either. Its drastic. Hes a loose caboose, a rambling man, a complete nut case.

Hes definitely orange due to his fake orange tan minus the raccoon looking white goggle circles around his bugged out eyes.

He himself described himself as a witch in his over 1000 tweets about a witch hunt that was an investigation of him. Maybe the witch hunt didn't quite ensnare him but based on the actions of the Republican controlled Senate , his hand picked stooge at the justice department and his own statements wanting to conceal the actual report its clear they don't want anyone to know how close Mueller got to the witches trail.

Now I understand that my fellow shack dwellers don't get my humor and to be fair to me I dropped that name for Mr Lyin Ted, little Marco, low energy Jeb, crooked Hillary, lamb the sham, pencil necked Shiff, liddle ( its how he spelled it) Bob Corker the ten year old behaving idiot who is the POTUS a while back. Was just playing the game by his rules and nobody on the forum got the joke. My bad.

As for Faux lets be real. Other than Shepherd Smith and Chris Wallace and occasionally Neil Cavuto they are literally state run media for whom he can do no wrong.Faux and friends is his morning wake up cheering section and he regularly tweets out policy decisions in real time based on their programs he spends about 8 hours a day watching. Hannity appeared on stage with him at a campaign rally last Oct for god sakes.

A report recently surfaced that a female reporter for Faux broke the stormy Daniels/Cohen payoff shortly before the 2016 election and the network squashed it. The quote to her was "nice reporting but Ailes wants Trump to win so let it go. She was later suspended and fired and is suing the network. Polls show that about high 30% to low 40% of Americans get their *news* from Faux and I don't think it is much of a coincidence that that is right about where his popularity # is much of the time. It would be fascinating to poll Trump approval/disapproval by network channel watched but i doubt I'm far off the truth.

As for getcha popcorn I really wish it was that simple. IMO we have a mentally ill hopelessly compromised erratic man in the white house and a republican senate and now Justice department who are OK with letting this continue for another 2 and possibly 6 years rather than say they were wrong or that there is a serious problem. Its not OK...

RiverDog wrote:OK, let's see if we can keep up with this:

Trump claimed that his father was born in Germany when he was clearly born in New York.

Claimed that "one to two percent" of people return for their immigration hearing when the actual number is 72%.

Claimed that noise from windmills causes cancer and are a graveyard for birds.

Worried that his speech would be "leaked to the press" as if he's unaware that anything the POTUS says is watched and heard by millions and was being televised live on CSPAN.

Can anyone with a straight face wonder why it is that I say that I don't trust a single thing that Trump says unless it's already a proven fact or if someone else corroborates it?

Reach much?

Hawktawk wrote:My crazy orange witch tag for Trump was a not far from the truth name. Hes crazy or mentally ill or in mental decline or whatever you want to call it and I've been on it since long before he was nominated.Normal aging doesn't explain it either. Its drastic. Hes a loose caboose, a rambling man, a complete nut case.

I'm not completely disagreeing with you. However, if you want people to listen to you and not discount you as a maniac, you need to use some other terminology than "loose caboose, a complete nut case", and so on.

Hawktawk wrote:Hes definitely orange due to his fake orange tan minus the raccoon looking white goggle circles around his bugged out eyes.

So? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Denigrating Trump due to his physical appearance is what is causing people to discount the content of your comments.

As for Faux lets be real. Other than Shepherd Smith and Chris Wallace and occasionally Neil Cavuto they are literally state run media for whom he can do no wrong.Faux and friends is his morning wake up cheering section and he regularly tweets out policy decisions in real time based on their programs he spends about 8 hours a day watching. Hannity appeared on stage with him at a campaign rally last Oct for god sakes.

I agree that Fox is a very conservative network and treats Trump with kid gloves to say the least. But they do have one helluva lot of viewers. Personally, I'll watch it simply to get another POV. But calling them "state run" is completely false.

Hawktawk wrote:As for getcha popcorn I really wish it was that simple. IMO we have a mentally ill hopelessly compromised erratic man in the white house and a republican senate and now Justice department who are OK with letting this continue for another 2 and possibly 6 years rather than say they were wrong or that there is a serious problem. Its not OK...

Well, all I can say is that we're still alive. He hasn't started a war and he hasn't caused the stock market to crash. I can think of a lot worse things to worry about, like what the heck are the Seahawks going to do about Russell Wilson's contract?

RiverDog wrote:Well, all I can say is that we're still alive. He hasn't started a war and he hasn't caused the stock market to crash. I can think of a lot worse things to worry about, like what the heck are the Seahawks going to do about Russell Wilson's contract?

Yep. Other things to worry about than the narcissist in The White House. Let them fight this border thing out. Maybe it will lead to some reasonable compromise and Mexico still stop funneling refugees through their country into ours like they've been doing.

Aseahawkfan wrote:Yep. Other things to worry about than the narcissist in The White House. Let them fight this border thing out. Maybe it will lead to some reasonable compromise and Mexico still stop funneling refugees through their country into ours like they've been doing.

So Mexico is "funneling" refugees through their country? Do you mean that they are assisting refugees in traveling through their country and helping them make their way to the US border? Do you have a source for this information?

Very few Central American refugees want to stay in Mexico, and you can't blame them. Mexico is only marginally safer than the countries they are fleeing, and the Mexican government is helpless to stop them.

Mexico does not have the resources to stop the thousands of people fleeing other Central American countries, nor can they offer them any kind of protection from the violence within Mexico that threatens refugees and Mexican citizens alike. Mexico is a poor, 3rd world country, and they can't even control the gangs and drug wars inside their own borders let alone protect their country from tens of thousands of refugees that come across their southern borders.

It's a tough problem with very few good solutions. Mexico by themselves can't solve it.

RiverDog wrote:So Mexico is "funneling" refugees through their country? Do you mean that they are assisting refugees in traveling through their country and helping them make their way to the US border? Do you have a source for this information?

Very few Central American refugees want to stay in Mexico, and you can't blame them. Mexico is only marginally safer than the countries they are fleeing, and the Mexican government is helpless to stop them.

Mexico does not have the resources to stop the thousands of people fleeing other Central American countries, nor can they offer them any kind of protection from the violence within Mexico that threatens refugees and Mexican citizens alike. Mexico is a poor, 3rd world country, and they can't even control the gangs and drug wars inside their own borders let alone protect their country from tens of thousands of refugees that come across their southern borders.

It's a tough problem with very few good solutions. Mexico by themselves can't solve it.

You already covered the reasons why Mexico is funneling immigrants here. It's more cost effective to push them through Mexico than halt them. What sources do you want for that? Sounds like you already read them.

When I say funnel, I mean making sure they don't stay in Mexico and move them along a path they control. This is a known issue for a while that Mexico was allowing immigrants from Central/South America to move through their country to America with their immigration police pushing them along particular paths away from Mexican cities and populated areas. America had to pressure them to shore up their border and not allow easy passage through their nation. It is part of why Americans have a growing concern with the immigration issue. Mexico found it cheaper to let the immigrants from other nations travel through rather than fill their jails and courts with immigrants trying to get to America. It most certainly is part of the problem. And there is no easy solution other than shore up the border the best we can and control it as much as possible without letting this become some kind of immigration holocaust.

Mexico is not as bad off as El Salvador and Honduras, not even close save for a few key areas along the border like Juarez where cartels have taken over. Most of Mexico is defended and the country is solvent and under the government's control.

If you want sources, go and do a deeper read. I'm tired of getting in short article post battles when my information comes from years of reading, watching documentaries, and the like. A handful of articles hardly does justice to any one particular issue we discuss on here. Americans learning in short soundbytes, web articles, and the like is why the media is so adept at dragging them around by their noses.

The Central American refugees are fleeing a poverty rate far higher than America. The crime rate is 6 times that of America. The overwhelming majority are decent god fearing families seeking a better life for their children. They have run into a racist cruel president who calls them rapists and drug dealers , Tasks our military warriors with stringing concertina wire , ripping children as young as a year old away from parents with no real
Plan for re unification . And yet they keep coming and the ranks swell. Asea is correct that Mexico has done little to stem the tide and Mexican citizens being the loving god fearing people they are have given of their sparse food, supplies and money to sustain these desperate refugees legitimately seeking asylum.

Now a few facts. Trump has no ambassador to any of these Central American countries. He has not met with their leaders unlike Obama who carried on a dialogue and regularly sent Joe Biden to the region. Not surprisingly the rate of refugees was much lower. Now Trump is pulling all aid from these countries surely making conditions even more desperate. Last but not least these are the ethnicity that built his golf property’s for pennies on the dollar, some worked for him with fake papers created by management and were dumped only when news reports began to surface. Many were fired during his idiotic shutdown. And people wonder why patriotic Americans with a conscience hate his f#cking guts. I don’t remember previous administrations turning around boats floating in from Cuba. This isn’t a lot different. trump
Doesn’t give a damn about anything but his racist radical base.

Hawktawk wrote:The Central American refugees are fleeing a poverty rate far higher than America. The crime rate is 6 times that of America. The overwhelming majority are decent god fearing families seeking a better life for their children. They have run into a racist cruel president who calls them rapists and drug dealers , Tasks our military warriors with stringing concertina wire , ripping children as young as a year old away from parents with no real
Plan for re unification . And yet they keep coming and the ranks swell. Asea is correct that Mexico has done little to stem the tide and Mexican citizens being the loving god fearing people they are have given of their sparse food, supplies and money to sustain these desperate refugees legitimately seeking asylum.

Now a few facts. Trump has no ambassador to any of these Central American countries. He has not met with their leaders unlike Obama who carried on a dialogue and regularly sent Joe Biden to the region. Not surprisingly the rate of refugees was much lower. Now Trump is pulling all aid from these countries surely making conditions even more desperate. Last but not least these are the ethnicity that built his golf property’s for pennies on the dollar, some worked for him with fake papers created by management and were dumped only when news reports began to surface. Many were fired during his idiotic shutdown. And people wonder why patriotic Americans with a conscience hate his f#cking guts. I don’t remember previous administrations turning around boats floating in from Cuba. This isn’t a lot different. trump
Doesn’t give a damn about anything but his racist radical base.

It was your boy Reagan and presidents before him that helped turn that area into what it. Reagan by supplying training and weapons to heavily militarize that region and use it against Nicaragua and Communists. Once Nicaragua was lost, the aftermath of their games turned into constant civil wars and instability. It wasn't great before we played games, but became more violent and awful after we were done. We've never been able to fix that place or Honduras. Nicaragua was fortunately taken over by the Sandinistas, who for all their Communist talk and all our rhetoric against them voluntarily followed the will of their people and returned the nation to their people unlike say Cuba. Nicaraguan history is a history of the scumbag moves by America neocons like burrton claim never happened or would probably produce some article claiming the history showing what we did was wrong or other such trash. That whole region is a history of failed American foreign policy with greed and power driven motivations...as in America was ruthless with that region just as we were in Southeast Asia and the Middle East. Mainstream America didn't much pay attention while their country was out there playing military games for world dominance. Maybe it was easier to hide back then due to no Internet or social media, but I'm glad we can get our information faster. Cleaning up these messes we helped make is getting costly whether it is Saddam in Iraq, The Taliban in Afghanisan, Saudia Arabia and their spreading of Wahhabism the fueling ideology of terrorism, or all the immigration problems with a destabilized Central and South America from all the games we were playing with Communist down there. Even many of the drug cartels employed U.S. trained "revolutionaries" as their muscle to control the drug trade. A real story of bad policy we're cleaning up to this day.

Nicaraguan history is a history of the scumbag moves by America neocons like burrton claim never happened or would probably produce some article claiming the history showing what we did was wrong or other such trash.

Give the ad-hom bullsh*t a rest, kid. Just because someone isn't an isolationist nut like you doesn't mean they're your boogeyman.

For the record, we might agree on the misguided nature of a lot of what this country has done in the past. You just need to quit inventing demons.

Aseahawkfan wrote:It was your boy Reagan and presidents before him that helped turn that area into what it. Reagan by supplying training and weapons to heavily militarize that region and use it against Nicaragua and Communists. Once Nicaragua was lost, the aftermath of their games turned into constant civil wars and instability. It wasn't great before we played games, but became more violent and awful after we were done. We've never been able to fix that place or Honduras. Nicaragua was fortunately taken over by the Sandinistas, who for all their Communist talk and all our rhetoric against them voluntarily followed the will of their people and returned the nation to their people unlike say Cuba. Nicaraguan history is a history of the scumbag moves by America neocons like burrton claim never happened or would probably produce some article claiming the history showing what we did was wrong or other such trash. That whole region is a history of failed American foreign policy with greed and power driven motivations...as in America was ruthless with that region just as we were in Southeast Asia and the Middle East. Mainstream America didn't much pay attention while their country was out there playing military games for world dominance. Maybe it was easier to hide back then due to no Internet or social media, but I'm glad we can get our information faster. Cleaning up these messes we helped make is getting costly whether it is Saddam in Iraq, The Taliban in Afghanisan, Saudia Arabia and their spreading of Wahhabism the fueling ideology of terrorism, or all the immigration problems with a destabilized Central and South America from all the games we were playing with Communist down there. Even many of the drug cartels employed U.S. trained "revolutionaries" as their muscle to control the drug trade. A real story of bad policy we're cleaning up to this day.

Paragraphs are your friend.

All of Central America, including Mexico, and a good part of South America are cess pools of crime and drug gangs. Their governments are too poor, too corrupt, and too ineffective to deal with their internal problems. Nothing Reagan or any other POTUS did helped or hurt their current dilemma.

The best thing we can do to help our Western Hemisphere brethren would to be to end this insane war on drugs and concentrate on education and rehabilitation as a means to combat the problem rather than interdiction. Cut off the demand vs. cutting off the supply. Enhance trade with them, particularly on agricultural products that they can grow in December and January and reduce the motivation for migrants to come into this country to harvest the same crops.

All Trump is going to accomplish with cutting off aid to them is to make their situation worse.

All Trump is going to accomplish with cutting off aid to them is to make their situation worse.

Yup.

RiverDog wrote:Paragraphs are your friend.

All of Central America, including Mexico, and a good part of South America are cess pools of crime and drug gangs. Their governments are too poor, too corrupt, and too ineffective to deal with their internal problems. Nothing Reagan or any other POTUS did helped or hurt their current dilemma.

^^^This^^^

The best thing we can do to help our Western Hemisphere brethren would to be to end this insane war on drugs and concentrate on education and rehabilitation as a means to combat the problem rather than interdiction. Cut off the demand vs. cutting off the supply. Enhance trade with them, particularly on agricultural products that they can grow in December and January and reduce the motivation for migrants to come into this country to harvest the same crops.

Not exactly. The problem is that these countries have 2 classes. The privileged and the not privileged. NOTHING happens in these countries without first washing through the privileged's hands. They insure that their power is never challenged by the non-privileged. So education won't get to the people who are fleeing, assistance won't get to them, etc.

All Trump is going to accomplish with cutting off aid to them is to make their situation worse.

Like it or not, the masses have to rise up against the privileged classes in these nations and turn things around on their own. That's the only way things will change for these folks and nothing we do in between will really help the masses of these countries.