Niners trade for Stevie Johnson

[nlbmsportin]

Oh screw every damn team that trades with the Niners. A conditional 4th next year for an instant upgrade at #3 WR?

Hate this so much. Still have 5 picks today

[Stream Hawk]

I hate it too. There must be something wrong with him to give him away at that price.
Niners make me sick

[HumanCockroach]

Oh well, at least he eats up cap space, and continues to do so For quite a while. Instantly upgrades the receiving core for the Niners which isn't a good thing, but on the plus side Kaepernick hasn't shown a willingness to go through his progressions on a consistent basis, so I expect his production to drop, while his salary rises.

[Futureite]

Bills love to upgrade NFC West. I was ticked when they gave you Lynch for nothing. Now they give away a 1,000 yd receiver (ok I'll have to check his stats). Anyway, I like it.

[HumanCockroach]

http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXJXXJohnSt00.htm&t=0

He's a thousand yard receiver ( well at least as a starter in Buffalo) does make me question what their long term plans are for Crabtree, and whether they will pony up large amounts to retain him. Johnson isn't obscene money, but he is paid well ( 4/6/6) for him to be a third receiver.

good move on Niner's part.

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[kalibane]

He's a weird case. He's inconsistant but he's given both Sherman and Revis problems. At least he isn't a burner though. This is one of the stronger receiving corps now. If the passing game doesn't come along this season it's going to be on Kaep.

[FolkCrusader]

That is a nice pick up by the niners. The key issue is Stevie, when healthy, is one of the few guys in the NFL that Sherman has not been able to cover one on one. His pick up is a direct challenge to the hegemony of of the hawks secondary. It will be awesome to see how the LoB responds.

[briwas101]

For those who hate that the niners made the trade, please take note that they have done more to upgrade their WR corp with mid-round picks getting Boldin and Johnson than the Hawks did by trading away all those picks for Harvin.

Please also note that the niners appear to be focused on adding the right players instead of signing players just so that the Hawks don't get someone.

I am jealous of how much better the niners FO is at improving the offense and making good trades. Schneider could learn a thing or three

[kalibane]

That's a grass is always greener post if I've ever read one.

[HumanCockroach]

I'm OK with them finding and drafting and developing all pro players with those mid round picks, as opposed to trading them away for receivers. More than one way to skin a cat, and am not in the least worried about how Schneider is handling this roster or team.

Here's the offensive ranks from last season, let me know how greatly the Niner's are on offense compared to Seattle after looking them over....

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total

[Hawk Sista]

Nice move, Niners. Damn.

[THX-1138]

For those who hate that the niners made the trade, please take note that they have done more to upgrade their WR corp with mid-round picks getting Boldin and Johnson than the Hawks did by trading away all those picks for Harvin.

Please also note that the niners appear to be focused on adding the right players instead of signing players just so that the Hawks don't get someone.

I am jealous of how much better the niners FO is at improving the offense and making good trades. Schneider could learn a thing or three

Also note that we won the Super Bowl last year and the Niners did not. They also did not win the previous year when they participated in it. Johnson is a good receiver to be sure. But what does his presence do to their locker room? The Niners are so confident in their QB and stable of receivers they went right out and got more receivers. Crabtree must be ecstatic.

What does Schneider need to learn? He and Carroll built a program FROM THE GROUND UP and WON THE LOMBARDI. Sometimes your posts have a distinct "chicken little" vibe to them.

[HumanCockroach]

Personally, I think the move is sound. If for no other reason it gives them leverage in negotiations with Crabtree. If he is looking for a blockbuster deal, they let him walk and keep Johnson, if he is willing to sign for the same money, they can cut Johnson without much loss in cap after this season.

[monkey]

Oh screw every damn team that trades with the Niners. A conditional 4th next year for an instant upgrade at #3 WR?

Hate this so much. Still have 5 picks today

Yeah...hate to say it but, great trade. Great move.

[Eaglehawk]

They upgraded with little downside. Good for them. Our LOB will meet the challenge next season. I am sure of this.

[Zorn76]

Nice pick up, but nothing earth shattering.

Sherman will be fine covering him.

SF will have their hands full as well, covering a healthy Percy Harvin all year. If this Richardson kid has any kind of hands, he's also a burner.

Nothing SF has done gives them any kind of clear edge so far. Like I said, Having Harvin back trumps anything the rest of the division does this offseason, including the draft. He's that good.

[Futureite]

Nice pick up, but nothing earth shattering.

Sherman will be fine covering him.

SF will have their hands full as well, covering a healthy Percy Harvin all year. If this Richardson kid has any kind of hands, he's also a burner.

Nothing SF has done gives them any kind of clear edge so far. Like I said, Having Harvin back trumps anything the rest of the division does this offseason, including the draft. He's that good.

I agree Harvin is that good. But trumping everything the rest of the division has done? The Rams just picked up two ridiculous pieces at O and D line. That D line pick gives them one of the best D-lines in the NFL on paper. Robinson is an absolute freak at tackle. If you asked me if I'd take Harvin or those two I'd take the latter. Everyone in this division jusr got a lot better. It is going to be a war in 2014.

[Zorn76]

Nice pick up, but nothing earth shattering.

Sherman will be fine covering him.

SF will have their hands full as well, covering a healthy Percy Harvin all year. If this Richardson kid has any kind of hands, he's also a burner.

Nothing SF has done gives them any kind of clear edge so far. Like I said, Having Harvin back trumps anything the rest of the division does this offseason, including the draft. He's that good.

I agree Harvin is that good. But trumping everything the rest of the division has done? The Rams just picked up two ridiculous pieces at O and D line. That D line pick gives them one of the best D-lines in the NFL on paper. Robinson is an absolute freak at tackle. If you asked me if I'd take Harvin or those two I'd take the latter. Everyone in this division jusr got a lot better. It is going to be a war in 2014.

Well, the Rams have yet to prove anything of merit. They still don't have enough playmkers offensively to be in the discussion for the division. And Harvin's gonna have a much bigger impact than either of those 2 rooks. Last year, he just gave a mere glimpse of what he's capable of.

He made key plays against the 49ers in the NFCCG, and his kickoff return TD in the SB sealed the deal for good. Either way, it was impressive. If Stl could trade their new OL and DL pick for Percy, they'd do it. He would do more for that team than either of those two newbies. PH makes that much of a difference. X-factor is health, but he's good now. Bringing back Sydney Rice was a good move as well, for that matter.

It's between the Seahawks and 49ers in terms of who will rep the NFC in the SB. Both teams have done OK so far in the draft, with perhaps an edge going to SF there so far, but it's not the type of draft class that's gonna make anybody the clear front runner moving forward. Until further notice, it's the Seahawks' division to lose. Keep in mind, too, that missing Bowman for part of the season, and Aldon Smith for maybe the entirety of 2014, is gonna really affect that D. Missing both those guys for any length of time is enough to possibly cost you some games. It's gonna put more pressure on a secondary that's already challenged.

[Futureite]

Nice pick up, but nothing earth shattering.

Sherman will be fine covering him.

SF will have their hands full as well, covering a healthy Percy Harvin all year. If this Richardson kid has any kind of hands, he's also a burner.

Nothing SF has done gives them any kind of clear edge so far. Like I said, Having Harvin back trumps anything the rest of the division does this offseason, including the draft. He's that good.

I agree Harvin is that good. But trumping everything the rest of the division has done? The Rams just picked up two ridiculous pieces at O and D line. That D line pick gives them one of the best D-lines in the NFL on paper. Robinson is an absolute freak at tackle. If you asked me if I'd take Harvin or those two I'd take the latter. Everyone in this division jusr got a lot better. It is going to be a war in 2014.

Well, the Rams have yet to prove anything of merit. They still don't have enough playmkers offensively to be in the discussion for the division. And Harvin's gonna have a much bigger impact than either of those 2 rooks. Last year, he just gave a mere glimpse of what he's capable of.

He made key plays against the 49ers in the NFCCG, and his kickoff return TD in the SB sealed the deal for good. Either way, it was impressive. If Stl could trade their new OL and DL pick for Percy, they'd do it. He would do more for that team than either of those two newbies. PH makes that much of a difference. X-factor is health, but he's good now. Bringing back Sydney Rice was a good move as well, for that matter.

It's between the Seahawks and 49ers in terms of who will rep the NFC in the SB. Both teams have done OK so far in the draft, with perhaps an edge going to SF there so far, but it's not the type of draft class that's gonna make anybody the clear front runner moving forward. Until further notice, it's the Seahawks' division to lose. Keep in mind, too, that missing Bowman for part of the season, and Aldon Smith for maybe the entirety of 2014, is gonna really affect that D. Missing both those guys for any length of time is enough to possibly cost you some games. It's gonna put more pressure on a secondary that's already challenged.

I have to disagree with you on most points. The one point I will agree on is that Harvin is a difference maker. Explosive players always are. But IMO games are won in the trenches. Harvin and Moss both proved in Minn that no matter how explosive a skill position player is, you cannot win without the horses upfront.

Also disagree on our draft. I cannot believe the young talent coming in. If you factor in 2012, we have Lattimore, Hyde, Carradine, Marcus Martin, Ward, Borland and Stevie Johnson coming in. All of these guys may literally see significant time and they are all studs IMO. I know you are down on Culliver, but IMO am not. Culliver, Brick, Reid and Ward looks like a very talented, young group to.me. We were 7th in pass D last yr with a mediocore pass rush. It's a myth that our corners were a problem. I think we got a lot better this offseason.

The Rams got better. Cards got better. It id going to be tough sledding in the West.

[Futureite]

Btw my first point was not to say Seattle does not have the horses. Obviously they do. It was to cintend that the Rams would give up Donald and Robinson for him. Harvinis a great player, but I disagree.

[burrrton]

Great move for SF.

Schneider could learn a thing or three

Uh, Schneider is widely being held up as the model for effective GM'ing right now. I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt for a year or two.

[Zorn76]

Future - We just won a Super Bowl with one of The Worst OL in the NFL, at least in terms of pass protection (1 sack surrendered for every 10 pass attempts, which is absurd).

You're also counting your draft eggs before they've hatched. Neither one of us have any idea how they will pan out on either team. You have to go with what you know. The Seahawks secondary is still the best in the league. You're also underestimating the loss of Bowman and Smith, because each of them could miss significant time, especially the latter, who could miss all year. No amount of draft pick talent can make up for that scenario.

Beyond that, the 49ers need to be more Clutch overall. The last 3 yrs have seen them blow it at the most crucial moments during playoff games, including a SB.

[HumanCockroach]

LOL " myth that SF corners were a problem" LOL. Sometimes he gets off good ones. SMH.

[Futureite]

Future - We just won a Super Bowl with one of The Worst OL in the NFL, at least in terms of pass protection (1 sack surrendered for every 10 pass attempts, which is absurd).

You're also counting your draft eggs before they've hatched. Neither one of us have any idea how they will pan out on either team. You have to go with what you know. The Seahawks secondary is still the best in the league. You're also underestimating the loss of Bowman and Smith, because each of them could miss significant time, especially the latter, who could miss all year. No amount of draft pick talent can make up for that scenario.

Beyond that, the 49ers need to be more Clutch overall. The last 3 yrs have seen them blow it at the most crucial moments during playoff games, including a SB.

True you did win a SB, but your O was great upfront in the run game pounding Lynch. That's why you beat us. And your D was great upfront pressuring the QB snd stopping the run when it had to. So I believe you had the horses upfront. And Harvin no impact in your getting to the SB. Clearly, you'd have won it without him. So I stick to.the prwmise that the Rams got a hell of a lot better by upgrading in the trenches. That could propell them to 10 W's and I doubt they'd trade those guys for any playmaker.

I know Bowman and possibly Aldon will hurt. We also went 5-0 without Aldon and Willis for good stretches last. Judging by what we know - as you say - we have a deep enough team to sustain or pick up in other areas.

If the draft and Carradine + Lattimore produce nothing we are still way ahead of where we were last yr on O simply by having two more healthy, proven receivers. It would be one of the biggest draft failure in history if all those guys Iisted flopped. But you're right, who knows.

As mark Mcguire said "I am not here to talk about the past" lol. Some could say we choked. Or you could say how the hell did we even get to the champ game last yr after a SB losd and all that adversity. It's all perception. Hawks are the champs until proven otherwise.

[Zorn76]

Trenches are key but, again, the Rams have no play makers. Who do they have at WR that's worth anyting? Or RB? They got nothing of significance. The Rams will continue their trend of playing teams tough, but losing by 7 or less, and end up 8-8.

And let's not forget Sam Bradford, who has completely underachieved the entire time he's been there, and there's some serous questions if he'll end up being the long term solution. I like the kid, but hasn't developed the way they hoped, and it's not all on his OL for that happening.

There is No Way they win 10 games playing in our division, especially when you remember that each of our teams will likely sweep them again. I will bet Anybody in this forum that Stl does not have double digits in the win column by the end of the 2014 regular season.

AZ will not repeat last year's result, either. The lost some key guys already, Palmer is due for a final meltdown, and even that rookie QB they took today is a project at best.

I'm not saying that your draft class this year or last will be a bust. I mean, nobody can declare that. It's just that we don't know yet what will happen. There's always hits and misses with this stuff. I'm just saying that, all things being relatively equal, the Seahawks and 49ers are still 1-2 in the NFL, and that I see AZ and Stl still on the outside looking in.

[Futureite]

Trenches are key but, again, the Rams have no play makers. Who do they have at WR that's worth anyting? Or RB? They got nothing of significance. The Rams will continue their trend of playing teams tough, but losing by 7 or less, and end up 8-8.

And let's not forget Sam Bradford, who has completely underachieved the entire time he's been there, and there's some serous questions if he'll end up being the long term solution. I like the kid, but hasn't developed the way they hoped, and it's not all on his OL for that happening.

There is No Way they win 10 games playing in our division, especially when you remember that each of our teams will likely sweep them again. I will bet Anybody in this forum that Stl does not have double digits in the win column by the end of the 2014 regular season.

AZ will not repeat last year's result, either. The lost some key guys already, Palmer is due for a final meltdown, and even that rookie QB they took today is a project at best.

I'm not saying that your draft class this year or last will be a bust. I mean, nobody can declare that. It's just that we don't know yet what will happen. There's always hits and misses with this stuff. I'm just saying that, all things being relatively equal, the Seahawks and 49ers are still 1-2 in the NFL, and that I see AZ and Stl still on the outside looking in.

Well I guess that's why we blog . Nobody really knows what will happen. I think Zach Stacey looked great last yr. Maybe Tavon Austin breaks out. I don't see how you look at the Cards or the Rams after how they played the Seahawks and have no worries. They basically played you the way you played us in 2011 and Thursday Night 2012. They are close. All of these NFC West teams are bunched closely together and it won't take much for a shift in the division - a couple bounces, an injury - anything could change the entire complexion of things.

We will see. This is why the NFL is fun. So many moving pieces every year. Everyone has a shot.

[Futureite]

LOL " myth that SF corners were a problem" LOL. Sometimes he gets off good ones. SMH.

LOL " myth that SF corners were a problem" LOL. Sometimes he gets off good ones. SMH.

Ok I'll homor you. What was so terrible about our 7th rated pass D last yr? Look at the top tesms in QB sacks. We are wsy down the list. I would think that eliminates the "front seven masked their inneficiencies" theory. They pretty much stonewalled Aaron Rodgers for a good portion of the playoff game. Ended the following week by picking Newton. Yes, they gave up a TD to Kearse but overall only 215 yds that game. Considering how many blowouts wr had and garbage yds/pts we surrendered. #7 actually sounds pretty damn good to me.

I will read your response. I am genuinely curious as to what it will be.

[Zorn76]

Trenches are key but, again, the Rams have no play makers. Who do they have at WR that's worth anyting? Or RB? They got nothing of significance. The Rams will continue their trend of playing teams tough, but losing by 7 or less, and end up 8-8.

And let's not forget Sam Bradford, who has completely underachieved the entire time he's been there, and there's some serous questions if he'll end up being the long term solution. I like the kid, but hasn't developed the way they hoped, and it's not all on his OL for that happening.

There is No Way they win 10 games playing in our division, especially when you remember that each of our teams will likely sweep them again. I will bet Anybody in this forum that Stl does not have double digits in the win column by the end of the 2014 regular season.

AZ will not repeat last year's result, either. The lost some key guys already, Palmer is due for a final meltdown, and even that rookie QB they took today is a project at best.

I'm not saying that your draft class this year or last will be a bust. I mean, nobody can declare that. It's just that we don't know yet what will happen. There's always hits and misses with this stuff. I'm just saying that, all things being relatively equal, the Seahawks and 49ers are still 1-2 in the NFL, and that I see AZ and Stl still on the outside looking in.

Well I guess that's why we blog . Nobody really knows what will happen. I think Zach Stacey looked great last yr. Maybe Tavon Austin breaks out. I don't see how you look at the Cards or the Rams after how they played the Seahawks and have no worries. They basically played you the way you played us in 2011 and Thursday Night 2012. They are close. All of these NFC West teams are bunched closely together and it won't take much for a shift in the division - a couple bounces, an injury - anything could change the entire complexion of things.

We will see. This is why the NFL is fun. So many moving pieces every year. Everyone has a shot.

My bad on Zack Stacey - that kid is great. Austin has upside, but they need much more than him on the receiver end. But it still comes down to the other units besides OL and DL, with the former still very much a work in progress. Stl has missed on their OL picks, just like Seattle.

AZ...I just don't see how they've gotten better. Losing Dansby hurts, even if he is 32. He was a key guy on their D. Fitz is good but getting older, and I just don't see Palmer - or any other QB on their roster - getting them over the hump. The bottom line is, the Seahawks and 49ers are just plain better, and will continue to be this fall.

As for the Cards' win in Seattle, that was just about the strangest game I'd seen the Seahawks play in quite awhile, especially in Seattle. AZ tried very hard to give us that game, and we couldn't get the win. It also turned out to be a blessing in disguise, because it broke the streak and reminded Seattle that they'll need to keep their S*** wired tight going into the playoffs, which of course they came through with flying colors.

I need to see AZ and Stl actually do something before I anoint them anything for 2014.

[HumanCockroach]

I agree Zorn. Wasn't all that long ago that people every year were talking about how talented SF was, and year after year after year, they flopped, same thing with Arizona year after year after year, all that talent and than flop.... those teams eventually got there, BUT they should have been not just good, but serious contenders year in and year out. No way someone can say St'Louis or Arizona are the "most talented" team in the division ( as they were with SF and Arizona during those perrenial flops) because they aren't. They can be dangerous, but haven't shown me anything that makes me believe they are going to pass Seattle or SF this coming season. Sure they played us tough, but last I checked the Jets, and Dolphins always play NE tough as well, and have been doing so for more than a decade, how many division titles those guys have COMBINED like 2 ( though it could be less,the only one I clearly remember was the year of the wildcat in Miami).

until a team SHOWS an ability to close games, the talent isn't a huge worry for me. It's when they start figuring out ways to win those close games ( and no a win against Seattle at home isn't close to enough to make that claim) and STOMP the teams they SHOULD stomp, they don't cause me a lot of worry or concern. People were all concerned with Arizona for 3-4 years now, St.Louis was a concern recently for fans, and those two teams have "finished" a season how many times in the last 5 Years?

[NorthHawk]

Both AZ and The Rams play us tough and we can't overlook them.
Ariens has started to turn the Cards around and 10-6 isn't anything to discount.
Any improvement they have will make it tougher on us to win or repeat as Div champions.

[Futureite]

I agree Zorn. Wasn't all that long ago that people every year were talking about how talented SF was, and year after year after year, they flopped, same thing with Arizona year after year after year, all that talent and than flop.... those teams eventually got there, BUT they should have been not just good, but serious contenders year in and year out. No way someone can say St'Louis or Arizona are the "most talented" team in the division ( as they were with SF and Arizona during those perrenial flops) because they aren't. They can be dangerous, but haven't shown me anything that makes me believe they are going to pass Seattle or SF this coming season. Sure they played us tough, but last I checked the Jets, and Dolphins always play NE tough as well, and have been doing so for more than a decade, how many division titles those guys have COMBINED like 2 ( though it could be less,the only one I clearly remember was the year of the wildcat in Miami).

until a team SHOWS an ability to close games, the talent isn't a huge worry for me. It's when they start figuring out ways to win those close games ( and no a win against Seattle at home isn't close to enough to make that claim) and STOMP the teams they SHOULD stomp, they don't cause me a lot of worry or concern. People were all concerned with Arizona for 3-4 years now, St.Louis was a concern recently for fans, and those two teams have "finished" a season how many times in the last 5 Years?

Haha I love this revisionist history where we were just loaded and couldn't get it done. Our D flat out sucked in 2010 and we couldn't stop anyone for S. I still remember the Chuefs trucking us at Arrowhead that yr. We had a whole slew of guys that were flat out mediocore or in Michael Lewis' case, didn't even finish the team. We were a joke around the keague and only a fav in this div because it was so bad at that time.

2011 we overachieved by a huge anyone's objective standards.

2012 is the only yr one could claim we choked. I would agree if not for the fact that I prefer to give the winning team credit. We played a terrible game on D and STs, but IMO take nothing from the Ravens.

2013 was not a choke unless you believe we had the better team. Otherwise, you are diminishing your own team's accomplishment. If that is how you feel be my guest .

Hard to swallow how futile success is, I know. But the league is guarantted to look a lot different this yr, like it or not. As will the Div in my estimation.

[HumanCockroach]

Nor is it anything to be overly concerned with. There's a difference between a "tough divisional game" and elite team, and that is the difference between Seattle/ SC Niners and the Cards and the Rams . I am not saying they can't beat us, as I am a firm believer of any given Sunday, however, I don't adhere to the worry for the sake of it thought process. Right now Seattle is the best overall team not just in the division, but in the NFL, Santa Clara is a very close second in both regards ( though I think the loss of key players could cause them to slip ) Arizona currently resides in that second tier with teams like Chicago, Dallas, Etc. St'Louis currently sits with teams like the Browns in terms of development. Can they jump up? Sure they can, anyone can, but the question isn't can they, it's will they, and to date I haven't seen anything that makes a believer out of me. The Cardinals have done a nice job upgrading their team, but at no point will I fall into the trap of believing a team with a turnover prone QB, no running game to speak of and a suspect offensive line even with the upgrades is a threat to unseat either Seattle or Santa Clara as the top dogs in the division at least this coming year, it's as possible as anything is, but possible and likely don't coexist in my opinion.

[HumanCockroach]

I agree Zorn. Wasn't all that long ago that people every year were talking about how talented SF was, and year after year after year, they flopped, same thing with Arizona year after year after year, all that talent and than flop.... those teams eventually got there, BUT they should have been not just good, but serious contenders year in and year out. No way someone can say St'Louis or Arizona are the "most talented" team in the division ( as they were with SF and Arizona during those perrenial flops) because they aren't. They can be dangerous, but haven't shown me anything that makes me believe they are going to pass Seattle or SF this coming season. Sure they played us tough, but last I checked the Jets, and Dolphins always play NE tough as well, and have been doing so for more than a decade, how many division titles those guys have COMBINED like 2 ( though it could be less,the only one I clearly remember was the year of the wildcat in Miami).

until a team SHOWS an ability to close games, the talent isn't a huge worry for me. It's when they start figuring out ways to win those close games ( and no a win against Seattle at home isn't close to enough to make that claim) and STOMP the teams they SHOULD stomp, they don't cause me a lot of worry or concern. People were all concerned with Arizona for 3-4 years now, St.Louis was a concern recently for fans, and those two teams have "finished" a season how many times in the last 5 Years?

Haha I love this revisionist history where we were just loaded and couldn't get it done. Our D flat out sucked in 2010 and we couldn't stop anyone for S. I still remember the Chuefs trucking us at Arrowhead that yr. We had a whole slew of guys that were flat out mediocore or in Michael Lewis' case, didn't even finish the team. We were a joke around the keague and only a fav in this div because it was so bad at that time.

2011 we overachieved by a huge anyone's objective standards.

2012 is the only yr one could claim we choked. I would agree if not for the fact that I prefer to give the winning team credit. We played a terrible game on D and STs, but IMO take nothing from the Ravens.

2013 was not a choke unless you believe we had the better team. Otherwise, you are diminishing your own team's accomplishment. If that is how you feel be my guest .

Hard to swallow how futile success is, I know. But the league is guarantted to look a lot different this yr, like it or not. As will the Div in my estimation.

Um, OK WTF are you on about now? Did I put a year next to when people were stressing about SF talent level only to have them flop? I don't remember saying it was RECENT years, did I? Why no I didn't. Whatever you believe is irrelevant to me, SF was INDEED the "best team" according to pretty much EVERYONE the year Seattle won the division at 7-9, the year before and the year before. They were generally considered the most talented team the two Years Arizona won the divison and yet nothing. Who has "revisionist" history glasses on? As usual, it's you. It took Harbaugh to take a very talented team and get them pointed in the right direction. Plenty of talent was there when he arrived, he added to it and started to win, before that even though the division was generally considered a poor division, Santa Clara was a FLOP.

[Zorn76]

Nor is it anything to be overly concerned with. There's a difference between a "tough divisional game" and elite team, and that is the difference between Seattle/ SC Niners and the Cards and the Rams . I am not saying they can't beat us, as I am a firm believer of any given Sunday, however, I don't adhere to the worry for the sake of it thought process. Right now Seattle is the best overall team not just in the division, but in the NFL, Santa Clara is a very close second in both regards ( though I think the loss of key players could cause them to slip ) Arizona currently resides in that second tier with teams like Chicago, Dallas, Etc. St'Louis currently sits with teams like the Browns in terms of development. Can they jump up? Sure they can, anyone can, but the question isn't can they, it's will they, and to date I haven't seen anything that makes a believer out of me. The Cardinals have done a nice job upgrading their team, but at no point will I fall into the trap of believing a team with a turnover prone QB, no running game to speak of and a suspect offensive line even with the upgrades is a threat to unseat either Seattle or Santa Clara as the top dogs in the division at least this coming year, it's as possible as anything is, but possible and likely don't coexist in my opinion.

Uh oh, lol.

I am stoked that they moved to Santa Clara, though. I'm only 15 minutes from that new stadium, though tix prices are going to be outrageous.

[Futureite]

Nor is it anything to be overly concerned with. There's a difference between a "tough divisional game" and elite team, and that is the difference between Seattle/ SC Niners and the Cards and the Rams . I am not saying they can't beat us, as I am a firm believer of any given Sunday, however, I don't adhere to the worry for the sake of it thought process. Right now Seattle is the best overall team not just in the division, but in the NFL, Santa Clara is a very close second in both regards ( though I think the loss of key players could cause them to slip ) Arizona currently resides in that second tier with teams like Chicago, Dallas, Etc. St'Louis currently sits with teams like the Browns in terms of development. Can they jump up? Sure they can, anyone can, but the question isn't can they, it's will they, and to date I haven't seen anything that makes a believer out of me. The Cardinals have done a nice job upgrading their team, but at no point will I fall into the trap of believing a team with a turnover prone QB, no running game to speak of and a suspect offensive line even with the upgrades is a threat to unseat either Seattle or Santa Clara as the top dogs in the division at least this coming year, it's as possible as anything is, but possible and likely don't coexist in my opinion.

I was saying no one other than 49er homers talked about how talented we were, so I don't know when the flopping began. We had a few pieces in some yrs but by and large lacked supporting talent. Our QBs in 2008 were Sean Hill/JT O'Sullivan and our best wr was Issac Bruce. Our D was a joke had a few playmakers but by and large this team was not talented enough to ever flop. That dumbF McCloughan made far too many mistakes in every RD but 1, and even then he F'd up. He brought in crap FAs like tully Banta-Cain, Aubreyo Franklin and an $80 Nate Clements, one of our worst contracts in recent memory. Like I already posted, 2010 was the only yr we really 'flopped', and I fully explained why.

Anyhow this is irrelevant to now. Yes, you are the SB champs. It's our goal or some other team's like the Pack or Saints to take that away. Things change quickly in the NFL, and they already have this offseason.

[Anthony]

Nor is it anything to be overly concerned with. There's a difference between a "tough divisional game" and elite team, and that is the difference between Seattle/ SC Niners and the Cards and the Rams . I am not saying they can't beat us, as I am a firm believer of any given Sunday, however, I don't adhere to the worry for the sake of it thought process. Right now Seattle is the best overall team not just in the division, but in the NFL, Santa Clara is a very close second in both regards ( though I think the loss of key players could cause them to slip ) Arizona currently resides in that second tier with teams like Chicago, Dallas, Etc. St'Louis currently sits with teams like the Browns in terms of development. Can they jump up? Sure they can, anyone can, but the question isn't can they, it's will they, and to date I haven't seen anything that makes a believer out of me. The Cardinals have done a nice job upgrading their team, but at no point will I fall into the trap of believing a team with a turnover prone QB, no running game to speak of and a suspect offensive line even with the upgrades is a threat to unseat either Seattle or Santa Clara as the top dogs in the division at least this coming year, it's as possible as anything is, but possible and likely don't coexist in my opinion.

I was saying no one other than 49er homers talked about how talented we were, so I don't know when the flopping began. We had a few pieces in some yrs but by and large lacked supporting talent. Our QBs in 2008 were Sean Hill/JT O'Sullivan and our best wr was Issac Bruce. Our D was a joke had a few playmakers but by and large this team was not talented enough to ever flop. That dumbF McCloughan made far too many mistakes in every RD but 1, and even then he F'd up. He brought in crap FAs like tully Banta-Cain, Aubreyo Franklin and an $80 Nate Clements, one of our worst contracts in recent memory. Like I already posted, 2010 was the only yr we really 'flopped', and I fully explained why.

Anyhow this is irrelevant to now. Yes, you are the SB champs. It's our goal or some other team's like the Pack or Saints to take that away. Things change quickly in the NFL, and they already have this offseason.

Well the more things change the more they stay the same. We are still the SB champs, we had a good draft as well, so as of right now things are the same as they were when the season was over, were the champs and its every o9ther teams job to prove then can take it away, and so far nothing has been done that says they can.

[Futureite]

Nor is it anything to be overly concerned with. There's a difference between a "tough divisional game" and elite team, and that is the difference between Seattle/ SC Niners and the Cards and the Rams . I am not saying they can't beat us, as I am a firm believer of any given Sunday, however, I don't adhere to the worry for the sake of it thought process. Right now Seattle is the best overall team not just in the division, but in the NFL, Santa Clara is a very close second in both regards ( though I think the loss of key players could cause them to slip ) Arizona currently resides in that second tier with teams like Chicago, Dallas, Etc. St'Louis currently sits with teams like the Browns in terms of development. Can they jump up? Sure they can, anyone can, but the question isn't can they, it's will they, and to date I haven't seen anything that makes a believer out of me. The Cardinals have done a nice job upgrading their team, but at no point will I fall into the trap of believing a team with a turnover prone QB, no running game to speak of and a suspect offensive line even with the upgrades is a threat to unseat either Seattle or Santa Clara as the top dogs in the division at least this coming year, it's as possible as anything is, but possible and likely don't coexist in my opinion.

I was saying no one other than 49er homers talked about how talented we were, so I don't know when the flopping began. We had a few pieces in some yrs but by and large lacked supporting talent. Our QBs in 2008 were Sean Hill/JT O'Sullivan and our best wr was Issac Bruce. Our D was a joke had a few playmakers but by and large this team was not talented enough to ever flop. That dumbF McCloughan made far too many mistakes in every RD but 1, and even then he F'd up. He brought in crap FAs like tully Banta-Cain, Aubreyo Franklin and an $80 Nate Clements, one of our worst contracts in recent memory. Like I already posted, 2010 was the only yr we really 'flopped', and I fully explained why.

Anyhow this is irrelevant to now. Yes, you are the SB champs. It's our goal or some other team's like the Pack or Saints to take that away. Things change quickly in the NFL, and they already have this offseason.

Well the more things change the more they stay the same. We are still the SB champs, we had a good draft as well, so as of right now things are the same as they were when the season was over, were the champs and its every o9ther teams job to prove then can take it away, and so far nothing has been done that says they can.

Lol! The league is fun, right? In my objective opinion, the Saints got a whole lot better. I like what the Pack did. A lot of teams made moves. There are always unfSrseen injuries, bounces and surprise players. So let's watch it unfold and may the best team win.

[HumanCockroach]

Nor is it anything to be overly concerned with. There's a difference between a "tough divisional game" and elite team, and that is the difference between Seattle/ SC Niners and the Cards and the Rams . I am not saying they can't beat us, as I am a firm believer of any given Sunday, however, I don't adhere to the worry for the sake of it thought process. Right now Seattle is the best overall team not just in the division, but in the NFL, Santa Clara is a very close second in both regards ( though I think the loss of key players could cause them to slip ) Arizona currently resides in that second tier with teams like Chicago, Dallas, Etc. St'Louis currently sits with teams like the Browns in terms of development. Can they jump up? Sure they can, anyone can, but the question isn't can they, it's will they, and to date I haven't seen anything that makes a believer out of me. The Cardinals have done a nice job upgrading their team, but at no point will I fall into the trap of believing a team with a turnover prone QB, no running game to speak of and a suspect offensive line even with the upgrades is a threat to unseat either Seattle or Santa Clara as the top dogs in the division at least this coming year, it's as possible as anything is, but possible and likely don't coexist in my opinion.

I was saying no one other than 49er homers talked about how talented we were, so I don't know when the flopping began. We had a few pieces in some yrs but by and large lacked supporting talent. Our QBs in 2008 were Sean Hill/JT O'Sullivan and our best wr was Issac Bruce. Our D was a joke had a few playmakers but by and large this team was not talented enough to ever flop. That dumbF McCloughan made far too many mistakes in every RD but 1, and even then he F'd up. He brought in crap FAs like tully Banta-Cain, Aubreyo Franklin and an $80 Nate Clements, one of our worst contracts in recent memory. Like I already posted, 2010 was the only yr we really 'flopped', and I fully explained why.

Anyhow this is irrelevant to now. Yes, you are the SB champs. It's our goal or some other team's like the Pack or Saints to take that away. Things change quickly in the NFL, and they already have this offseason.

Well them and national pundits on every major network, but you know what ever floats your boat ( in fact MULTIPLE people predicted Santa Clara to win the ddivision in 2005,2006,2007) but just revise that to what you feel "fits" best. I agree no one should have, and I agree it wasn't something that was should have worried fans, but you know what? Whether you felt it or not, doesn't change that it was happening then, and happens EVERY year in EVERY division. I promise there were fans in the NFC Least concerned with Washington last season, and yet there isn't a ton of valid reasons they should have been, last year in the South Tampa was a team people "worried" about, Houston, Atlanta, Browns, Bengals, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, etc and on and on and on, teams in division concern a number of fans, doesn't make them right, just means they are worried and trying to project what could go wrong. 2, 3 years ago Arizona was viewed much in the SAME way coming into the season, where did that go? No where, doesn't mean that it doesn't happen amongst fans.

Until a team proves they can do it consistently, and are still improving ( and for MORE than a season) I'm not spending time worrying about them as contenders to the top team or teams in the NFL. Arizona took a step, but you know what, there been a SLEW of teams ( and recently) that looked ready to "pop" only to do nothing the following season. Cleveland, Miami, NYJ, Buffalo, KC ALL have made playoff "runs" or won 10 games, only to fall off the cliff the next season in the last ten years( and there is actually more of them). There is reasons why teams go through that, and until a team actually MAKES the playoff, and then SUSTAINS success, it doesn't matter how "scary" their lineup is on paper.

[Futureite]

Nor is it anything to be overly concerned with. There's a difference between a "tough divisional game" and elite team, and that is the difference between Seattle/ SC Niners and the Cards and the Rams . I am not saying they can't beat us, as I am a firm believer of any given Sunday, however, I don't adhere to the worry for the sake of it thought process. Right now Seattle is the best overall team not just in the division, but in the NFL, Santa Clara is a very close second in both regards ( though I think the loss of key players could cause them to slip ) Arizona currently resides in that second tier with teams like Chicago, Dallas, Etc. St'Louis currently sits with teams like the Browns in terms of development. Can they jump up? Sure they can, anyone can, but the question isn't can they, it's will they, and to date I haven't seen anything that makes a believer out of me. The Cardinals have done a nice job upgrading their team, but at no point will I fall into the trap of believing a team with a turnover prone QB, no running game to speak of and a suspect offensive line even with the upgrades is a threat to unseat either Seattle or Santa Clara as the top dogs in the division at least this coming year, it's as possible as anything is, but possible and likely don't coexist in my opinion.

I was saying no one other than 49er homers talked about how talented we were, so I don't know when the flopping began. We had a few pieces in some yrs but by and large lacked supporting talent. Our QBs in 2008 were Sean Hill/JT O'Sullivan and our best wr was Issac Bruce. Our D was a joke had a few playmakers but by and large this team was not talented enough to ever flop. That dumbF McCloughan made far too many mistakes in every RD but 1, and even then he F'd up. He brought in crap FAs like tully Banta-Cain, Aubreyo Franklin and an $80 Nate Clements, one of our worst contracts in recent memory. Like I already posted, 2010 was the only yr we really 'flopped', and I fully explained why.

Anyhow this is irrelevant to now. Yes, you are the SB champs. It's our goal or some other team's like the Pack or Saints to take that away. Things change quickly in the NFL, and they already have this offseason.

Well them and national pundits on every major network, but you know what ever floats your boat ( in fact MULTIPLE people predicted Santa Clara to win the ddivision in 2005,2006,2007) but just revise that to what you feel "fits" best. I agree no one should have, and I agree it wasn't something that was should have worried fans, but you know what? Whether you felt it or not, doesn't change that it was happening then, and happens EVERY year in EVERY division. I promise there were fans in the NFC Least concerned with Washington last season, and yet there isn't a ton of valid reasons they should have been, last year in the South Tampa was a team people "worried" about, Houston, Atlanta, Browns, Bengals, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, etc and on and on and on, teams in division concern a number of fans, doesn't make them right, just means they are worried and trying to project what could go wrong. 2, 3 years ago Arizona was viewed much in the SAME way coming into the season, where did that go? No where, doesn't mean that it doesn't happen amongst fans.

Until a team proves they can do it consistently, and are still improving ( and for MORE than a season) I'm not spending time worrying about them as contenders to the top team or teams in the NFL. Arizona took a step, but you know what, there been a SLEW of teams ( and recently) that looked ready to "pop" only to do nothing the following season. Cleveland, Miami, NYJ, Buffalo, KC ALL have made playoff "runs" or won 10 games, only to fall off the cliff the next season in the last ten years( and there is actually more of them). There is reasons why teams go through that, and until a team actually MAKES the playoff, and then SUSTAINS success, it doesn't matter how "scary" their lineup is on paper.

2005 being the yr we were down 41-0 at half to the Bears. I believe we were 2-14 the yr before. Lol cmon man!

Anyway, you don't want to belueve team x can contend and I understand why. But just 1.5 yrs ago Seattle sat at 4-4. Now they are SB champs. Of course you and everyone else saw that coming . There will bw another Seattle this yr or next, and who knows what team that will be. I think it makes the league more fun. We'll see what happens.

[HumanCockroach]

People in Seattle did ( and in fact I told you just that that off season, interesting huh?) Course I thought at the time an "adequate" QB like Flynn would do it, not the best young QB in the NFL, but the ground work, and toughness was there, for those that wanted to look, also was when I was saying the NFC West would be the best division in football within two years. Told you the year SF would return to the SB, when Seattle would reclaim the division, and professed they would WIN the whole enchilada before ota's last off season, you do the math.