Day Two of the Draft

[RiverDog]

Time for a new thread on the draft.

I loved our move to trade down a couple of slots to #40, which BTW, our friend Bird Droppings predicted that we'd trade down to between 35 and 40 and pick up the 4th rounder. The question is will our original selection at #32, who ever that might have been, still be there at #40? Here's who I like at #40:

Cody Latimer, WR out of Indiana. Not quite the big, physical receiver we were looking for, but he does have 4.4 speed. There's a lot of people wanting us to take Marquis Lee, but he's damaged goods and a tad bit smallish for our needs. But he can return punts and does have the USC connection. He might not be there at #40, though.

Joel Bitonio, OL out of Nevada. Can play tackle or guard, and with so many open spots left, that attribute could be very appealing to Mr. Cable.

Xavier Su'a Filo, OG, perhaps the best OL left on the board. He might not make it to #40.

For our #64 pick, and assuming we get an OL at #32, I'm going with Stephon Tuitt, DE Notre Dame. He'd make a fine replacement for Red Bryant. 64 might be a little high to take him, but we don't have a 3rd rounder, and PC/JS don't seem to look at which round players are supposed to go. If they want him, they'll take him at 64.

[kalibane]

Are there a lot of people who want Marquis Lee? I don't think he really fits what the Seahawks need. I know for me I just didn't want the Niners to get him to compliment Crabtree and Boldin. The Hawks need a big receiver. Latimer isn't a huge guy but he's fairly big (taller than Boldin, though not as physical obviously).

I'm pretty much step for step with you Riv. I'm leaning towards Bitonio or Tuitt if they are there at 40, maybe Latimer or maybe Bryant at 64 if there. If not I'm content seeing if Jordan Matthews, Allen Robinson or Brandon Coleman are there later. Another name I'm watching is Jarvis Landry. Not big but I love his hands.

[NorthHawk]

I would LIKE to see OL at around 40, but if Jernigan is still there, he might be too good to pass up. As well, I'm not sure Tuitt will still be there at 64 either.

[NorthHawk]

Here are the top remaining players as ranked by Gil Brandt - I added it to the original Draft Thread, but here it is up top in this one...

Kony Ealy
Marquise Lee WR
Cyrus Kouandjio OT
Derek Carr QB
Xavier Su'a-Filo OG
Stephon Tuitt, DT
Ra'Shede Hageman DT/DE
Morgan Moses OT
Tim Jernigan DT
Louis Nix DT
Joel Bitonio OG/OT
Jimmy Garropolo QB
DeMarcus Lawrence DE
Tom Savage QB
Jordan Matthews WR
Ego Ferguson DT
Austin Sefarian-Jenkins TE
Jeremy Hill, RB
Carlos Hyde RB
Cameron Fleming OT
Cody Lattimer WR
Allen Robinson WR

[monkey]

Are there a lot of people who want Marquis Lee? I don't think he really fits what the Seahawks need. I know for me I just didn't want the Niners to get him to compliment Crabtree and Boldin. The Hawks need a big receiver. Latimer isn't a huge guy but he's fairly big (taller than Boldin, though not as physical obviously).

I'm pretty much step for step with you Riv. I'm leaning towards Bitonio or Tuitt if they are there at 40, maybe Latimer or maybe Bryant at 64 if there. If not I'm content seeing if Jordan Matthews, Allen Robinson or Brandon Coleman are there later. Another name I'm watching is Jarvis Landry. Not big but I love his hands.

I don't want Lee, but I am VERY happy he's still there, because that's one guy who slid further than expected, and one more player who will go between #33 and #40 who I just don't care about.
Personally I think Latimer is, if not better right now, soon will be better, because he has much higher upside.
He's not a huge guy, technically,but he's over 6'2", and because of his strength and athleticism, he's PLAYS big.
Have you guys seen the clips of him dunking? He looks like an NBA power forward. Power, agility, speed, hands...he's got it all, and he's a terrific run blocker as well. I just think he's easily the BPA right now.

Still, if he gets taken, I am with you Kalibane, I'll be quite happy with one of Landry (who I am also VERY high on, I think he's the second best WR left, and close to Latimer) Bitonio (love his game!) or Brandon Coleman for his size. Robinson I'd be alright with as well.

[nlbmsportin]

All of my guys are still there. Give me Hageman and either D. Adams or J. Matthews.

I'd be very...very happy. Then in the 4th and 5th rounds just go on an all out OL assault. I think the OL guys that are upgrades will be available in the middle rounds, where the impact DL and WRs should be almost all gone after tonight.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind trading next year's 2nd (which will most likely be in the high 20s) for a 3rd this year. Then we could conceivably get a 1-tech/5-tech, LEO, WR, OT, and OG by the end of the 5th round. We will have compensatory picks next year to offset the loss of the 2, and I think it's really important to get young talent in the system as early as possible to develop them.

[HumanCockroach]

And there should be LOTS of them. I'm sure they don't have an issue spending some of those picks from next year to grab a guy they want, we'll see if that guy is there. Should be a very interesting draft for Seattle, pleased with how it's gone so far.

[RiverDog]

And there should be LOTS of them. I'm sure they don't have an issue spending some of those picks from next year to grab a guy they want, we'll see if that guy is there. Should be a very interesting draft for Seattle, pleased with how it's gone so far.

I agree with not getting too concerned about spending next year's picks. For one, unless we completely implode, we should at least be slotted in the high 20's next season, which makes future draft choices a lot less valuable than say an OAK, JAX or CLE. Secondly, as George Allen once said, the future is now. We need players that can produce in 2014 and 2015. We're in the middle of our run, and we need players now, not 3 or 4 years from now. If they see someone that they really want, then pull the trigger on a deal and go get him. We'll worry about the 2015 draft next season.

[HumanCockroach]

Bummer, was hoping for several of these guys flying off the board 2/3 of my top guard choices, and Hageman as maybe a dark horse pick at 40. Plenty still left but poop, was hoping their might be more interest in some of the second tier QB's and corners.....

[Steady_Hawk]

We traded down again?

[Hawk Sista]

Damn -all guys are flyin off. Xavier, bitonio, ASF, hageman, and now we trade.

[Hawk Sista]

What did we get?????

[HumanCockroach]

The 45th pick another 4th( 105) and a 7th..... I really think they wanted either Bitonio or Xia'falu (sp.?). Both snapped up quickly...

[NorthHawk]

4:50 PM
Seattle Seahawks
@Seahawks
Seahawks have traded #Pick40 and #Pick146 (5th) to @DetroitLionsNFL for #Pick45 (2nd) #Pick111 (4th) and #Pick227 (7th).

[Steady_Hawk]

The 45th pick another 4th( 105) and a 7th..... I really think they wanted either Bitonio or Xia'falu (sp.?). Both snapped up quickly...

HC, If they really wanted either of those players wouldn't they have taken them at 32, or tried to move up in the second round?

[NorthHawk]

We still don't have a 3rd so maybe they are angling to move up at some point.

[Hawk Sista]

Ah... So we got their 4th, better position in the 5th, and their 7th to drop back 5 picks? We'll done. Since bitonio & Xavier were gone, I'm cool w/ it

[Hawk Sista]

Matthews gone.

[HumanCockroach]

There is no way for you or I to know that. I know I didn't expect Houston to take a guard, no matter how good they thought he was at 33. There's a difference between wanting them and not getting them, and an ASSUMPTION that they just didn't want them. They wanted Irvin as well, but traded down twice before selecting him. They had a pick submitted yesterday prior to completing the trade, I know I can't say it was or wasn't either of those two players, I also know you can't either, so spare me the "education" on the matter. Simply NO way for you to know that, I said I thought they wanted those two players, you can think differently, but spare me the psychic declaration on it.

Edit: I owe you an apology man. I kind of jumped down your throat on that one, bad day, sorry. I automatically assumed you were making a statement, when in fact you were asking a valid question. I made an JUMP that I shouldn't have, making an ASumption that wasn't accurate. I thought about deleting it, and just moving on, but truth is I felt like the best thing to do was to simply say I'm sorry.

[Steady_Hawk]

Sista, I'm reading this as we traded our 5th for their 4th and got a bonus 7th.

[Steady_Hawk]

There is no way for you or I to know that. I know I didn't expect Houston to take a guard, no matter how good they thought he was at 33. There's a difference between wanting them and not getting them, and an ASSUMPTION that they just didn't want them. They wanted Irvin as well, but traded down twice before selecting him. They had a pick submitted yesterday prior to completing the trade, I know I can't say it was or wasn't either of those two players, I also know you can't either, so spare me the "education" on the matter. Simply NO way for you to know that, I said I thought they wanted those two players, you can think differently, but spare me the psychic declaration on it.

Dude,

Chill bro, what I was saying is if they really wanted either of those guys I think they would have taken them. They wouldn't risk losing a player they were in love with. No education HC, just an observation.

[NorthHawk]

Looks like we are finally going to pick.

[Steady_Hawk]

WooHoo! Finally!

[HumanCockroach]

Sorry man, see the edit above, I was in the process of apologizing as you were replying. You're right no defense for letting a sh!tty day be taken out on you man. I apologize again.

[Hawk Sista]

Right. I saw our 5th still there, but we gave them the Flynn pick from the Raiders. I liked that Right Tackle w/ the bum knee the bills just nabbed. All my big boys are going. Morgan Moses?

[Steady_Hawk]

Sista,

I'm hoping for him too!

HC, no prob, LOL!

[HumanCockroach]

There is no way for you or I to know that. I know I didn't expect Houston to take a guard, no matter how good they thought he was at 33. There's a difference between wanting them and not getting them, and an ASSUMPTION that they just didn't want them. They wanted Irvin as well, but traded down twice before selecting him. They had a pick submitted yesterday prior to completing the trade, I know I can't say it was or wasn't either of those two players, I also know you can't either, so spare me the "education" on the matter. Simply NO way for you to know that, I said I thought they wanted those two players, you can think differently, but spare me the psychic declaration on it.

Dude,

Chill bro, what I was saying is if they really wanted either of those guys I think they would have taken them. They wouldn't risk losing a player they were in love with. No education HC, just an observation.

Sure I guess that's a possibility, but the draft is a gamble from top to bottom, it's predicated on where you think a player will land, maybe they felt one of the two or three players they felt they wanted was going to be there and wasn't. Hard to tell.

[HumanCockroach]

That is indeed a surprise to me, I felt confident they would take a big receiver, just thought guard or tackle would be the first pick, with a receiver coming late second or early fourth....

[obiken]

I know as SB champs its hard for a person to criticize, but this pick makes no sense. Fast guy, average hands, 178 pounds, out of Colorado??
Man, we needed a OL upgrade not this smerf!!

[NorthHawk]

That is indeed a surprise to me, I felt confident they would take a big receiver, just thought guard or tackle would be the first pick, with a receiver coming late second or early fourth....

There must be something about this guy they really liked, but it shows that teams draft boards are quite different than media evaluators.

[monkey]

Well, just when I thought they would be looking at a bigger receiver, they instead go blazing fast.

Don't look now but we just drafted our punt returner for next year.

[NorthHawk]

From NFLDraftScout:

STRENGTHS: Terrific athlete who appeared every bit as agile and explosive in 2013 after missing the entire 2012 season with a torn ACL. Very good straight-line speed making him an excellent option on vertical routes. Savvy route-runner who alters his gait off the line and throughout his route to gain separation from cornerbacks. Sinks his hips and explodes out of his breaks.

Generally plucks the ball cleanly out of the air with his hands, securing it quickly. Can track the ball over either shoulder and flashes the ability to dive and haul in the extraordinary catch.

Good vision to set up blocks. Good bloodlines. Father, Paul, Sr., played wide receiver in the NFL with Philadelphia, Oakland, Green Bay and the New York Jets.

[obiken]

Yeah I never thought of that Monk, but you this guy was a 4th rounder. Its like Bruce Irvin, he would have been a great bargain as a 2nd or 3rd rounder but as a first?? Course IF we had know RW was a Fran Tarkington clone,l we would have reversed order on those guys and still ended up in the Garden of Eden! I am now convinced that smart drafting is done with a shotgun, not a rifle!

[monkey]

I am now convinced that smart drafting is done with a shotgun, not a rifle!

That might be the quote of the day right there.
I agree, and obviously so does John, given how much he loves to accumulate picks. I'm LOVING all those 4th round picks!

I also thought he would be available later, though he was DEFINITELY on my radar because of his speed...I just thought he would be available later, but that is why John gets paid the big bucks.
The ONLY knock on him isn't his hands (his hands are fine despite what some have said) it's his weight, and the accompanying health concerns with such a light player. If he were to bulk up a bit while maintaining that speed though! He's lightning in a bottle with that speed.
He's a legitimate field stretching, speedster/deep threat who can immediately be a threat in the return game at worst.

[monkey]

BTW, just because they took a speedy receiver, that does NOT rule out them still taking a big body WR. There are still SEVERAL very talented receivers who either are big or play big.

[HumanCockroach]

That is indeed a surprise to me, I felt confident they would take a big receiver, just thought guard or tackle would be the first pick, with a receiver coming late second or early fourth....

There must be something about this guy they really liked, but it shows that teams draft boards are quite different than media evaluators.

Never question what they like or how they evaluate talent, just surprised me they didn't go o-line, I thought for a change I might actually get a position choice, I guess I should just learn, but I'm not positive I have learned the fire is hot yet.... LOL.... like I said I was fairly sure they would take a receiver, just thought it wouldn't be with the first pick is all, and honestly I was thinking bigger with good speed, not lightning fast with regular height ( 6' again on that pick, kind of destroys the whole Pete prefers big receivers theory a bit. Tate,Harvin,Baldwin,etc shows a willingness to continue to roll with smaller faster receivers)......

doesn't "dissapoint" me in any way, just like the Michael pick I wasn't expecting it at all ( at least not there).

[HumanCockroach]

I am now convinced that smart drafting is done with a shotgun, not a rifle!

That might be the quote of the day right there.
I agree, and obviously so does John, given how much he loves to accumulate picks. I'm LOVING all those 4th round picks!

I also thought he would be available later, though he was DEFINITELY on my radar because of his speed...I just thought he would be available later, but that is why John gets paid the big bucks.
The ONLY knock on him isn't his hands (his hands are fine despite what some have said) it's his weight, and the accompanying health concerns with such a light player. If he were to bulk up a bit while maintaining that speed though! He's lightning in a bottle with that speed.
He's a legitimate field stretching, speedster/deep threat who can immediately be a threat in the return game at worst.

Maybe Harvin injury insurance as well, the more I research what the kid did, and how explosive he is, the more I like it ( though like you, little confused about when he was taken, though couple receivers were selected quickly after him so who knows) not saying Harvin definitely will be injured or anything, but maintaining Harvin's element in the offense should he miss a few games can only help IMHO...

[HumanCockroach]

BTW, just because they took a speedy receiver, that does NOT rule out them still taking a big body WR. There are still SEVERAL very talented receivers who either are big or play big.

Sure that's possible,especially with them stockpiling picks, just not sure about how many spots there will be at that position. Typically five make the team, suppose a late round big guy could slide onto the PS, but I doubt they drafted this kid to cut him. Harvin, Baldwin, Kearse and this kid are locks IMHO, which leaves one spot for a slew of guys familiar with the offense, Mathews ( I think) who they just signed from Canada. It's possible, but I doubt it is real soon.... so probably with the next pick? LOL

[monkey]

I don't think this says anything about how Pete values size in his WR's as much as it says how he values UNIQUE ATTRIBUTES.
If there is one thing that each Seahawks pick since Pete and John have taken the reigns have in common, it's that they all have something unique that separates them from other players.
Whether it's arm length, height, lateral quickness, or in this case, flat out speed, there's always something about these picks that just JUMPS OUT at you. Pete and John look for those things while intentionally overlooking limitations. This pick is a PERFECT example of that...they see the speed, and ignore the weight questions.

Hey, it's worked out pretty well so far!

BTW, I must admit, I am a bit bummed Latimer is gone...he's going to be a really good receiver IMO, and a great value where they got him.

[obiken]

Its not that I think he is a bad WR he was the best player the Buffs had. Its just we could have had M. Lee at 32nd who IMHO was the best WR in the draft. When he had someone to throw to him he was just unstoppable 2 years ago. So if your goal was to have a partner to go with Harvin to stretch the field this was the guy. Oh well, we still need blocking.