Surprise Cuts

[RiverDog]

3 or 4 months ago, I said that Carpenter would be a surprise cut, but it would appear that the Hawks refusal to pick up his option woke his fat arse up. The guy has played well, I've even seen him make a couple of blocks on linebackers.

Do I dare mention Bruce Irvin? Gawd, I can hear the moans now. But you can put your poison darts back in your sheath, HC, because I'm not predicting it. I think he stays, at least this season. The fact is that cutting him doesn't save us a ton of cap money and I don't see a player they really like they'd have to cut in order to keep Irvin on the roster. But you have to admit that it would be a surprise cut.

If we keep 3 QB's and only 5 WR's as one poster suggested, we might have to part with Norwood, which would be a shame. Lockette does a decent job on kick coverage, and is a potential punt returner, which could earn him a roster spot. So I'm going to go with Norwood.

[NorthHawk]

With the roster as solid as it is, nothing would surprise me as the difference between who to keep and who to cut could be quite small.
That being said, I'll offer a couple of players who although not really surprises, were either beaten out by another player or haven't improved as much as I had hoped.

Benson Mayowa - O'Brien Schofield has just played much better
Korey Toomer - his injuries have held him off the roster, but I think between him and the rookie Pierre-Louis we keep Pierre-Louis.
I also had hopes Chris Matthews, the 6-5 WR could earn a spot but I haven't noticed him much.

Those are my guesses, but I only see the games on TV, so maybe the coaches see these guys much differently.

[savvyman]

Since the topic is addressing "Surprise" Cuts I will offer the following:

Tavaris Jackson.

Second "Surprise" Cut (which really is not much of a surprise) will be Spencer Ware.

[HumanCockroach]

People still enamored with Pryor.... surprising.Especially after the continual poor decisions.

Yes it WOULD be surprising for the Seahawks to cut their starting outside LB ( who by the way was just ranked 87th among all defensive players, and drops the average rush against by a FULL yard when on the field)

Ware, wouldn't be a surprise ( as I was surprised he made the team last season)

I have a feeling that Mayowa may indeed get cut, which is surprising to me at least, I think it's Scruggs versatility that spells the end for him though.

I guess Farwell for Coyle could be considered surprising, though depending on the severity of the injury, I could see them PUP him and keeping him until at least week 6, where another injury or lack of production could save his job for the season here.

All in all there weren't a lot of back end cuts that are going to constitute surprises, though I'll throw out Williams as one that hasn't played a lot, and hasn't made really any flash plays ( though to be fair, I don't pay particular attention to who is getting up of the bottom of a pile of lineman) they have shown a willingness to do something like that if they feel there is a younger, hungrier player.

[FolkCrusader]

Cant PUP him since he reported to camp healthy.

[HumanCockroach]

Oops my mistake, I thought you could PUP a player all the way up to the first regular season game with the option of bringing them back instead of IR ing them....

Was thinking of the IR with designation rule ( not sure if they would be interested in doing that though in this case)

[Anthony]

3 or 4 months ago, I said that Carpenter would be a surprise cut, but it would appear that the Hawks refusal to pick up his option woke his fat arse up. The guy has played well, I've even seen him make a couple of blocks on linebackers.

Do I dare mention Bruce Irvin? Gawd, I can hear the moans now. But you can put your poison darts back in your sheath, HC, because I'm not predicting it. I think he stays, at least this season. The fact is that cutting him doesn't save us a ton of cap money and I don't see a player they really like they'd have to cut in order to keep Irvin on the roster. But you have to admit that it would be a surprise cut.

If we keep 3 QB's and only 5 WR's as one poster suggested, we might have to part with Norwood, which would be a shame. Lockette does a decent job on kick coverage, and is a potential punt returner, which could earn him a roster spot. So I'm going to go with Norwood.

Norwood is not going any place, I hope we do not keep 3 QBs and I hope if we do TP is not one of them. IN fact I will say TP.

[mykc14]

T Jack is not going anywhere. Norwood isn't going anywhere, its too bad they couldn't have PUP'd him because he had the injury before training camp started but once he practices once that option is off the table. If the injury is bad enough they could IR him, but they would have to put him on the roster first. I could see Mayowa, Matthews (although not too much of a surprise), Bates (down to him or Lockette and Bates hasn't shown much in the games, but all the training camp reports say he is tearing it up), and Heflet (if they keep 2 TE's). I could see them letting go of Pryor, maybe. Roster spots are too important to keep 3 QB, although this is not nearly as bad as keeping 2 place kickers though. There aren't going to be too many surprises probably, like Mike Rob last year, simply because we have already cut the 'fat' contracts from marginal players/players who we have cheaper replacements for.

[savvyman]

I don't think the Hawks will keep 3 QB's - In order to keep the third QB the Hawks will have to cut a Starting caliber NFL player at another position...... I don't see them doing this.

I think the FO is trying to slip BJ Daniels onto the practice squad and use the practice squad as the place to carry a third QB - Notice you do not hear anything about Daniels nor is he getting any playing time.

[Seahawks4Ever]

T-Jack being cut would not be a surprise, it would be a shock. TP has done nothing to show he could win games if RW went down where we know T-Jack can.

Irvin would be a surprise because I don't think Pete is ready to admit he made a huge mistake with this guy.

I don't think any cuts they make will be much of a surprise, at least until they get to the final 53.

[jshawaii22]

Watching that 'other' teams boards, if we send BJ to the practice squad, within 24 hours, he'll be back as a 49er and probably be the #2 within a couple of weeks.

Surprise cuts... I don't know if this is a surprise for this team, but all of our current draft picks, from our 4th round draft pick Pierre-Lewis, on down may not make it on the active roster. PS, probably for most. Kevin Norwood depends on if Walters is kept as a primary special team player. It's one of them for the last receiver position. If ETIII is really going to return punts, my opinion is that is hello Norwood and bye-bye Walters.

js

[Zorn76]

Nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to Carroll and his roster approach.

TJ absolutely stays, though, no doubt about it.

Bottom line is, we're in great shape heading into this season. Way more question marks concerning our division rivals than us, IMO.

[obiken]

Tough call, I really dont have an answer. TP is so fast and has so much future potential. However, in a backup QB you have to have a guy that can win 3 or 4 games IF the starter goes down. TJack is more that guy. I have to trust Pete on this one. Jerry on Ellie and Jerry KJR, has been pushing for 3 QB's which I am for, but its just not done anymore.

[RiverDog]

Tough call, I really dont have an answer. TP is so fast and has so much future potential. However, in a backup QB you have to have a guy that can win 3 or 4 games IF the starter goes down. TJack is more that guy. I have to trust Pete on this one. Jerry on Ellie and Jerry KJR, has been pushing for 3 QB's which I am for, but its just not done anymore.

Keeping 3 QB's on a 53 man roster is simply impractical in today's highly specialized NFL where each down brings multiple substitutions. 3 QB's is a luxury teams simply cannot afford. It's like paying insurance and license for three cars in case two of them won't start. If you lose your starter, your chances of making the playoffs are severely diminished but depending on the circumstances, you might still survive, but if you lose both your starter and your backup, the chances are practically non existent, so what's the point in carrying 3?

[obiken]

Makes sense River, but in the case of TP, he is so fast and at his age is all upside I would keep him for development.

[Oly]

Makes sense River, but in the case of TP, he is so fast and at his age is all upside I would keep him for development.

But Wilson is already taking this spot. Obviously, he's not "developmental," but he is the young guy we're grooming for the future (and present). I think TJ's veteran presence and ability to win a few games for a SB contender is far more important, so he's the #2. And I agree with RD that we should only keep 2 so that we can keep specialists elsewhere.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

No way Tarvaris gets cut. The distance between him and Pryor is huge. I saw Jackson actually make reads, and, when he did scramble, he was still looking to make the pass. Rushing was his last resort. Pryor is no where near that in his development, at least from what I've seen so far. I also agree he's not worth keeping as a third QB. That one roster spot is too valuable.

Surprise cut? Norwood. He won't make it to the practice squad, so I'm not expecting him to be cut. There are several other guys I'd like to keep, but I won't be surprised by the cuts due to the depth at those spots (dline, linebacker,db).

[NorthHawk]

Pete loves those "Special Qualities" that some players have and Pryor has a lot of them.
If it's just a matter of time to develop, he might be kept - even if at this point it's to simulate playing against Kaepernick.
Getting that edge is important in the NFL and with our closest competition in our own division and playing them at least twice, it's a necessity to get any edge you can.
Pryor at this point is the best QB to emulate Kaep. Nobody else runs like those 2 and although Pryor isn't as good a passer, the practice sessions would be containing him and limiting his runs which almost got us last year and could in any game we play.

[c_hawkbob]

Most teams still keep 3 QB's, hell Washington started out last season with 4 ... there are more and more teams going with just two, but 3 is still the norm.

[HumanCockroach]

Makes sense River, but in the case of TP, he is so fast and at his age is all upside I would keep him for development.

And TP has already stated he wants to go somewhere he can be the starter, doesn't want to change positions, and has no interest in backing up his contract ends at the end of THIS season, WHY do people keep saying "develop" this QB when he will NOT be here at the end of the season?????

[obiken]

All righty then HC I guess that kills that Idea huh!!

[depaashaas]

Makes sense River, but in the case of TP, he is so fast and at his age is all upside I would keep him for development.

And TP has already stated he wants to go somewhere he can be the starter, doesn't want to change positions, and has no interest in backing up his contract ends at the end of THIS season, WHY do people keep saying "develop" this QB when he will NOT be here at the end of the season?????

Maybe trade him to rams rumor has it that a QB spot opened up there. With Pete and fisher being good friends and Pete always like to do things different (like not trade within division) TP may just end up there. Last year Hawks did not have a four QB's and there is no way Daniels makes it to practice squad and this may sound crazy but maybe TJ makes it over there, crazy or not this is the Pete and John show anything goes with those two

[RiverDog]

Makes sense River, but in the case of TP, he is so fast and at his age is all upside I would keep him for development.

And TP has already stated he wants to go somewhere he can be the starter, doesn't want to change positions, and has no interest in backing up his contract ends at the end of THIS season, WHY do people keep saying "develop" this QB when he will NOT be here at the end of the season?????

Maybe trade him to rams rumor has it that a QB spot opened up there. With Pete and fisher being good friends and Pete always like to do things different (like not trade within division) TP may just end up there. Last year Hawks did not have a four QB's and there is no way Daniels makes it to practice squad and this may sound crazy but maybe TJ makes it over there, crazy or not this is the Pete and John show anything goes with those two

I'm not sure why anyone would trade for him if there's a good chance he's going to get cut anyway.

[Anthony]

Makes sense River, but in the case of TP, he is so fast and at his age is all upside I would keep him for development.

for this season only he is an FA and is not going to resign as long as he has ne chance to start. So ether the FO talk him into becoming something else, or he realizes he is not a starting QB in the NFL, or the FO thinks they can win with him despite his poor play, and they plan on letting Rw go. all of those things are really bad for us.

[Anthony]

Pete loves those "Special Qualities" that some players have and Pryor has a lot of them.
If it's just a matter of time to develop, he might be kept - even if at this point it's to simulate playing against Kaepernick.
Getting that edge is important in the NFL and with our closest competition in our own division and playing them at least twice, it's a necessity to get any edge you can.
Pryor at this point is the best QB to emulate Kaep. Nobody else runs like those 2 and although Pryor isn't as good a passer, the practice sessions would be containing him and limiting his runs which almost got us last year and could in any game we play.

So keep TP to emulate Kap who were are 2-1 against last year, and take up a roster spot that could be better used for something else. as far as development goes lets let that go, TP is an Fa after this year and he is not resigning here unless he has a chance of starting which as long as RW is here, is not going to happen. There is o reason to keep the guy.

[NorthHawk]

Pete loves those "Special Qualities" that some players have and Pryor has a lot of them.
If it's just a matter of time to develop, he might be kept - even if at this point it's to simulate playing against Kaepernick.
Getting that edge is important in the NFL and with our closest competition in our own division and playing them at least twice, it's a necessity to get any edge you can.
Pryor at this point is the best QB to emulate Kaep. Nobody else runs like those 2 and although Pryor isn't as good a passer, the practice sessions would be containing him and limiting his runs which almost got us last year and could in any game we play.

So keep Tp0 to emulate Kap who were are 2-1 against last year, and take up a roster spot that could be better used for something else. as far as development goes lets let that go, TP is an Fa after this year and he is not resigning here unless he has a chance of starting which as long as RW is here, is not going to happen. There is o reason to keep the guy.

It's about winning this year. Next year will take care of itself so keeping him to help for 2 or more games against our arch rival is a consideration.

[jshawaii22]

TJack is on a 3m (i think) guaranteed contract. TP is not on a guarantee. That could be enough to swing it to TJack. I can't see keeping 3 QB's on the 53.

js

[savvyman]

If Pryor has a good game this week against Oakland then the near certainty of T Jacks backup role will come under serious review by the FO.

[Anthony]

If Pryor has a good game this week against Oakland then the near certainty of T Jacks backup role will come under serious review by the FO.

Yeah no, TP having a good game in the final preseason game when all you will see is 3rd stringers, and guys who will not even make a team is not going to sway anyone to make him the backup over TJ. TJ is the back up, the only chance Pryor has to stay on this team is if PC decides to keep 3 QBs, and even then it is debatable because TP has shown he is not an NFL QB.

[Anthony]

Pete loves those "Special Qualities" that some players have and Pryor has a lot of them.
If it's just a matter of time to develop, he might be kept - even if at this point it's to simulate playing against Kaepernick.
Getting that edge is important in the NFL and with our closest competition in our own division and playing them at least twice, it's a necessity to get any edge you can.
Pryor at this point is the best QB to emulate Kaep. Nobody else runs like those 2 and although Pryor isn't as good a passer, the practice sessions would be containing him and limiting his runs which almost got us last year and could in any game we play.

So keep Tp0 to emulate Kap who were are 2-1 against last year, and take up a roster spot that could be better used for something else. as far as development goes lets let that go, TP is an Fa after this year and he is not resigning here unless he has a chance of starting which as long as RW is here, is not going to happen. There is o reason to keep the guy.

It's about winning this year. Next year will take care of itself so keeping him to help for 2 or more games against our arch rival is a consideration.

Right an using a roster spot on a guy to emulate another QB for 2 games will help us more than keeping an extra 0-lineman, given the injuries we have had to deal with on the o-line over the last year or so. Really, sorry no. There is no value in keeping TP at all.

[NorthHawk]

Maybe not to you, but Pete and John carve their own path oftentimes.
I agree it doesn't seem logical, but they don't always follow convention.
The possibility exists and if Pete likes what Pryor can bring he might just roll the dice and carry 3 QBs.

[RiverDog]

The scary part of this is that Pryor has the potential to be a a great QB. He obviously is far from that right now, and it might take him 3 or 4 years to realize his potential, but the guy has a lot to offer. Is it worth it for a team to stash him on their roster in hopes that he will get his head together?

His role on the Seahawks roster seems limited. The greatest value for the Seahawks, is to gain a draft pick in a trade. If the Seahawks did not have a QB that they could project for the future, Pryor would make sense. Currently, he just seems like a bait that they will hold out there to improve on the 7th round that they paid for him.

No. I don't see the sense in keeping him when we already have a young quarterback that's already proved himself and that we have, or rather will hitch our wagon to shortly. Unless he can beat out TJack for the #2 spot, consider a position change, or at the very least make some contribution on special teams, I don't think the roster spot is worth us hoping for a team that might give us a 7th rounder. He's not going to see the light of day as a #3 quarterback and thus I don't see how he's going to improve his stock any by sitting on the bench playing pitch and catch with TJack.

With just a 53 man roster, every player on it must be able to contribute, either as a starter, part of a rotation, a viable backup, or on special teams. A 3rd quarterback, especially in our situation where the starter is young and completely healthy, is an unnecessary, redundant insurance policy. If we ever get down to our 3rd quarterback, our season is going to be screwed anyway.

The only other situation where a 3rd quarterback might make sense for a team like us would be if you could include him in some sort of package offense, like a Wildcat or something, and honestly, I don't want to be screwing around with something that no other team has been able to successfully implement. We're already a little unconventional in that we run a lot of read option. I'd rather concentrating on perfecting our current offense rather than diversifying it further.

[depaashaas]

Here are the first cuts according to NFL.com

Cuts to 75: OT Wade Smith, CB Terrell Thomas, OT Cory Brandon, RB Demitrius Bronson, S Mike Dobson, DE Jackson Jeffcoat, WR Kevin Smith, CB Thomas Wolfe

Only thing that surprised me is that the FO is cutting these guys that fast in the last few years they were one of if not the last team to make cuts

[NorthHawk]

Here are the first cuts according to NFL.com

Cuts to 75: OT Wade Smith, CB Terrell Thomas, OT Cory Brandon, RB Demitrius Bronson, S Mike Dobson, DE Jackson Jeffcoat, WR Kevin Smith, CB Thomas Wolfe

Only thing that surprised me is that the FO is cutting these guys that fast in the last few years they were one of if not the last team to make cuts

With only a few spots with legitimate competition, it should be fairly easy to make the first cuts.

[depaashaas]

This could be one surprise but only due to injury, if he needs surgery he will be out for extended period of time I assume and ouch it looked like it hurt watching the game

http://q13fox.com/2014/08/25/seahawks-l ... s-surgery/

[Anthony]

Maybe not to you, but Pete and John carve their own path oftentimes.
I agree it doesn't seem logical, but they don't always follow convention.
The possibility exists and if Pete likes what Pryor can bring he might just roll the dice and carry 3 QBs.

I agree he might, but then the question is what is his end game. TP will not change positions, he will not resign unless he has a legit chance to start which as long as RW is around he does not,. Key is as long as RW is around. So if PC keep prior what is his end game, because unless he is going to give TP a real shot at starting at QB, TP will be gone and it will be a waste of a spot. So either TP will be gone, or we will waste a spot, or RW will be gone. Only one makes sense.

[NorthHawk]

Maybe not to you, but Pete and John carve their own path oftentimes.
I agree it doesn't seem logical, but they don't always follow convention.
The possibility exists and if Pete likes what Pryor can bring he might just roll the dice and carry 3 QBs.

I agree he might, but then the question is what is his end game. TP will not change positions, he will not resign unless he has a legit chance to start which as long as RW is around he does not,. Key is as long as RW is around. So if PC keep prior what is his end game, because unless he is going to give TP a real shot at starting at QB, TP will be gone and it will be a waste of a spot. So either TP will be gone, or we will waste a spot, or RW will be gone. Only one makes sense.

We both know Pryor won't get a spot to start this year in the NFL unless he's on a team whose QB is injured.
They might be able to talk him into staying for another year after this to develop then let him go.
There are a lot of combinations and permutations that could arise that could keep him here. It might just be that someone believing in him could keep him for a year or two.
And it's not about RW leaving - that's not in the picture.

[Anthony]

Maybe not to you, but Pete and John carve their own path oftentimes.
I agree it doesn't seem logical, but they don't always follow convention.
The possibility exists and if Pete likes what Pryor can bring he might just roll the dice and carry 3 QBs.

I agree he might, but then the question is what is his end game. TP will not change positions, he will not resign unless he has a legit chance to start which as long as RW is around he does not,. Key is as long as RW is around. So if PC keep prior what is his end game, because unless he is going to give TP a real shot at starting at QB, TP will be gone and it will be a waste of a spot. So either TP will be gone, or we will waste a spot, or RW will be gone. Only one makes sense.

We both know Pryor won't get a spot to start this year in the NFL unless he's on a team whose QB is injured.
They might be able to talk him into staying for another year after this to develop then let him go.
There are a lot of combinations and permutations that could arise that could keep him here. It might just be that someone believing in him could keep him for a year or two.
And it's not about RW leaving - that's not in the picture.

I guess when it boils down to it there is no logical reason to keep him, based on what we know. So if we keep him either there is something we do not know going on, or they are thinking emotionally not logically, I guess we will see.

[FolkCrusader]

The question is simply where PC and the front office place his value. If they judge Pryor to be too good to let go of they will keep him, if not they let him go. My guess is he plays a ton this week.

Personally I think they are leaning towards keeping 3 QBs including both TJack and Pryor this season.

[HumanCockroach]

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blog ... .com%22%7D

"I didn't even know I was going in," Pryor said. "I was just sitting on the bench. That's my fault and I have to own up to that. I threw a pick, even though I didn't know I was going in. It is what it is."

Pryor has a 29.9 passer rating for the preseason, ranking 111th out of the 114 quarterbacks who have taken a snap.

Not a "good" thing IMHO, very Billy Joe Hobertesque.