Alex Smith cashes in

[c_hawkbob]

Alex Smith and The Kansas City Chiefs reportedly agree on a new contract that includes $45 million in guarantees

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1916 ... s-reaction

[Anthony]

Alex Smith and The Kansas City Chiefs reportedly agree on a new contract that includes $45 million in guarantees

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1916 ... s-reaction

Hmm that is over 17 mil a year, I hope that removes any doubt on what Rw will get for those who still was in doubt.

[NorthHawk]

Was anyone doubting Wilson will get north of 20m/year?

[Futureite]

Lol!! Annnd, now that debate is settled.

I do remember a vehement argument we had regarding Kap's contract. I took the position that he gave the 49ers a great deal to allow them to retain talent, that he could have drug out the negotiations for bigger money or signed elsewhere for more in 2015.

A lot of people countered with "the 49ers don't trust him. See, our analysis of his play was correct".

Well there you have it. By any objective measure, a QB who is no better than Kaep with even less time invested by the organization just signed a deal for $28+ mil more gauranteed than Kap's deal.

Now comes all of the qualifications to show how the situations are different. Also known as "reaching".

[HumanCockroach]

Lol!! Annnd, now that debate is settled.

I do remember a vehement argument we had regarding Kap's contract. I took the position that he gave the 49ers a great deal to allow them to retain talent, that he could have drug out the negotiations for bigger money or signed elsewhere for more in 2015.

A lot of people countered with "the 49ers don't trust him. See, our analysis of his play was correct".

Well there you have it. By any objective measure, a QB who is no better than Kaep with even less time invested by the organization just signed a deal for $28+ mil more gauranteed than Kap's deal.

Now comes all of the qualifications to show how the situations are different. Also known as "reaching".

A lot of people did indeed say that, many of which are experts on the negotiations and the NFL, I fail to see how this "proves"anything different? Is Smith playing in Santa Clara? Do they have the same agent? FO personnel, Coach perhaps? No? Than how in the world are they comparable? That is like me claiming Kap and Dalton are the same, because Cincy did a similar contract , does that mean Dalton all of a sudden gave a "great" deal and the Bengals also, are 100% sold on him as the QB of the future?

Nothing was proven by Smith's contract, except KC felt comfortable giving him it. I could also claim just as easily that KC obviously DID have faith in Smith, and SF DIDN'T in Kap, using the fact that KC felt he was WORTH the money, and SF DIDN'T feel Kap was. You're reading things into this stuff as proof positive, using nothing but desire, hopes and speculation as a basis for something you are claiming as "fact". It was a SMART move by the Niners, whether it be because of retaining talent, OR do to a lack of faith, either way, Kap bet on himself and SF was willing to let him, doesn't mean they would have paid him like Cutler or even Smith, it simply means the cost was acdeptable to them, and the risk was acceptable to Kap.

[Zorn76]

RW will get north of 20 mil per, certainly thereabouts.

And he's worth it.

KC has hitched their wagon to Smith, and it comes as little surprise. He got a bit more in guaranteed $ than I would've guessed, but that's about it.

[Futureite]

Lol!! Annnd, now that debate is settled.

I do remember a vehement argument we had regarding Kap's contract. I took the position that he gave the 49ers a great deal to allow them to retain talent, that he could have drug out the negotiations for bigger money or signed elsewhere for more in 2015.

A lot of people countered with "the 49ers don't trust him. See, our analysis of his play was correct".

Well there you have it. By any objective measure, a QB who is no better than Kaep with even less time invested by the organization just signed a deal for $28+ mil more gauranteed than Kap's deal.

Now comes all of the qualifications to show how the situations are different. Also known as "reaching".

A lot of people did indeed say that, many of which are experts on the negotiations and the NFL, I fail to see how this "proves"anything different? Is Smith playing in Santa Clara? Do they have the same agent? FO personnel, Coach perhaps? No? Than how in the world are they comparable? That is like me claiming Kap and Dalton are the same, because Cincy did a similar contract , does that mean Dalton all of a sudden gave a "great" deal and the Bengals also, are 100% sold on him as the QB of the future?

Nothing was proven by Smith's contract, except KC felt comfortable giving him it. I could also claim just as easily that KC obviously DID have faith in Smith, and SF DIDN'T in Kap, using the fact that KC felt he was WORTH the money, and SF DIDN'T feel Kap was. You're reading things into this stuff as proof positive, using nothing but desire, hopes and speculation as a basis for something you are claiming as "fact". It was a SMART move by the Niners, whether it be because of retaining talent, OR do to a lack of faith, either way, Kap bet on himself and SF was willing to let him, doesn't mean they would have paid him like Cutler or even Smith, it simply means the cost was acdeptable to them, and the risk was acceptable to Kap.

Lol so now we have no possible way to compare Kaep to Alex? Why ......because they are on different teams.

This isn't reaching. It's well beyond that.

[Anthony]

Lol!! Annnd, now that debate is settled.

I do remember a vehement argument we had regarding Kap's contract. I took the position that he gave the 49ers a great deal to allow them to retain talent, that he could have drug out the negotiations for bigger money or signed elsewhere for more in 2015.

A lot of people countered with "the 49ers don't trust him. See, our analysis of his play was correct".

Well there you have it. By any objective measure, a QB who is no better than Kaep with even less time invested by the organization just signed a deal for $28+ mil more gauranteed than Kap's deal.

Now comes all of the qualifications to show how the situations are different. Also known as "reaching".

A lot of people did indeed say that, many of which are experts on the negotiations and the NFL, I fail to see how this "proves"anything different? Is Smith playing in Santa Clara? Do they have the same agent? FO personnel, Coach perhaps? No? Than how in the world are they comparable? That is like me claiming Kap and Dalton are the same, because Cincy did a similar contract , does that mean Dalton all of a sudden gave a "great" deal and the Bengals also, are 100% sold on him as the QB of the future?

Nothing was proven by Smith's contract, except KC felt comfortable giving him it. I could also claim just as easily that KC obviously DID have faith in Smith, and SF DIDN'T in Kap, using the fact that KC felt he was WORTH the money, and SF DIDN'T feel Kap was. You're reading things into this stuff as proof positive, using nothing but desire, hopes and speculation as a basis for something you are claiming as "fact". It was a SMART move by the Niners, whether it be because of retaining talent, OR do to a lack of faith, either way, Kap bet on himself and SF was willing to let him, doesn't mean they would have paid him like Cutler or even Smith, it simply means the cost was acdeptable to them, and the risk was acceptable to Kap.

LOL yup you summed it up, Future always looking for an angle and always wrong.

[Futureite]

Lol!! Annnd, now that debate is settled.

I do remember a vehement argument we had regarding Kap's contract. I took the position that he gave the 49ers a great deal to allow them to retain talent, that he could have drug out the negotiations for bigger money or signed elsewhere for more in 2015.

A lot of people countered with "the 49ers don't trust him. See, our analysis of his play was correct".

Well there you have it. By any objective measure, a QB who is no better than Kaep with even less time invested by the organization just signed a deal for $28+ mil more gauranteed than Kap's deal.

Now comes all of the qualifications to show how the situations are different. Also known as "reaching".

A lot of people did indeed say that, many of which are experts on the negotiations and the NFL, I fail to see how this "proves"anything different? Is Smith playing in Santa Clara? Do they have the same agent? FO personnel, Coach perhaps? No? Than how in the world are they comparable? That is like me claiming Kap and Dalton are the same, because Cincy did a similar contract , does that mean Dalton all of a sudden gave a "great" deal and the Bengals also, are 100% sold on him as the QB of the future?

Nothing was proven by Smith's contract, except KC felt comfortable giving him it. I could also claim just as easily that KC obviously DID have faith in Smith, and SF DIDN'T in Kap, using the fact that KC felt he was WORTH the money, and SF DIDN'T feel Kap was. You're reading things into this stuff as proof positive, using nothing but desire, hopes and speculation as a basis for something you are claiming as "fact". It was a SMART move by the Niners, whether it be because of retaining talent, OR do to a lack of faith, either way, Kap bet on himself and SF was willing to let him, doesn't mean they would have paid him like Cutler or even Smith, it simply means the cost was acdeptable to them, and the risk was acceptable to Kap.

LOL yup you summed it up, Future always looking for an angle and always wrong.

Eh, go take an economics class kid.

[RiverDog]

Was it Micky Mantle who signed the first contract for $100,000? The pundits at the time said it would destroy baseball to pay a player that much.

Alex Rodrigues left the Mariners to sign with Texas for $250,000,000. Did baseball die?

Athlete salaries are not reality. They are clouds that bend light. There is no connection to what is concrete in what is paid to athletes, actors, singers, anchormen. Attaching value to men (or women) who who represent money to media people is not meaningful. It is not touchdowns, or running yards that add value solely, it is also intrigue, mystery, scandal, and elusive qualities that the person (they are all just people, after all) emanates.

Even our own. Russell Wilson with his dedication. Richard Sherman with his audacity. It produces money. Not that that is a bad thing, more power to them, but lets recognize what it is.

The money will flow, but, trust, that the money will not flow beyond what management thinks will work.

No, it wasn't Mantle, but his predecessor in center field, Jolt'in Joe DiMaggio.

"The $100,000 barrier was first achieved by another Yankee in 1949. Joe DiMaggio became the first, and second, player to earn six figures."

A pretty good link here if you're interested...http://sabr.org/research/baseball-s-maj ... milestones

ObS's point is spot on. Salary inflation in professional athletes has been a reality in major league sports for quite some time. It's reminiscent of the double digit inflation mindset back in the late 70's. Buy it today because if you don't, the price goes up tomorrow. In other words, we'd best resign Russell the moment he's eligible to renegotiate his contract.

The fact that the Chiefs hitched their wagon to Smith shouldn't be a surprise. Andy Reid likes that type of quarterback to run his offense. Smith plays a lot like Donovan McNabb.

[c_hawkbob]

If you want to talk about trust, Alex is a more trustworthy QB than Kap.

He can be trusted not to make poor decisions, he can be trusted not to take unnecessary chances with his safety or that of his receivers, he can be trusted to run the exact offense his HC intends the way it's drawn up. He can be trusted put an acceptable corporate image in front of the press.

These are things valued by his current coach and organization.

His previous coach and organization chose to let him walk in favor of the almost ridiculous upside potential of a more spectacular athlete at the position. An organization less concerned with trustworthiness than what could be. An organization willing to take the greater chance of failure that came with the possibilities of greater success.

Alex got more guaranteed than Kap because Kap hasn't delivered yet on all that upside whereas Alex has delivered more that was expected of him and can be trusted to keep on doing the same.

[mykc14]

Lol!! Annnd, now that debate is settled.

I do remember a vehement argument we had regarding Kap's contract. I took the position that he gave the 49ers a great deal to allow them to retain talent, that he could have drug out the negotiations for bigger money or signed elsewhere for more in 2015.

A lot of people countered with "the 49ers don't trust him. See, our analysis of his play was correct".

Well there you have it. By any objective measure, a QB who is no better than Kaep with even less time invested by the organization just signed a deal for $28+ mil more gauranteed than Kap's deal.

Now comes all of the qualifications to show how the situations are different. Also known as "reaching".

All this proves is that KC felt that Smith was worth more than Kaep. Again, I don't believe for a second that the niners came to Kaep with a contract and he told them "no, i'll take less so we can be competitive" and I don't think you believe that either. What probably happened was that was the number they came to through negotiations, just like every other contract. He got what he could, they offered what he thought he was worth, nothing more, nothing less. When RW gets his contract he will get what the FO thinks he is worth, this isn't that hard to figure out.

[Futureite]

If you want to talk about trust, Alex is a more trustworthy QB than Kap.

He can be trusted not to make poor decisions, he can be trusted not to take unnecessary chances with his safety or that of his receivers, he can be trusted to run the exact offense his HC intends the way it's drawn up. He can be trusted put an acceptable corporate image in front of the press.

These are things valued by his current coach and organization.

His previous coach and organization chose to let him walk in favor of the almost ridiculous upside potential of a more spectacular athlete at the position. An organization less concerned with trustworthiness than what could be. An organization willing to take the greater chance of failure that came with the possibilities of greater success.

Alex got more guaranteed than Kap because Kap hasn't delivered yet on all that upside whereas Alex has delivered more that was expected of him and can be trusted to keep on doing the same.

Well those are all valid points Bob, but the only problem is the NFL doesn't pay 3-4 times the money for trustworthiness. Players are paid for talent and production, and by any objective measure the two are comparable in both. In fact, majority opinion has Kaep rated higher than Alex.

If there were some value attached to trustworthiness I guarantee it's not 3-4 times that of "upside". Considering the two guys have thrown nearly the exact same number of ints over the past 1.5 yrs, I am not sure how much merit that position holds in the first place.

Bottom line is the market just demonstrated what a 15ish (or less) rated QB garners in guranteed money. All agents will now use this as an arguing point for their player. Unless of course the player intentionally requests a different structure. Which is what Kaep said he would do before his negotiations and has maintained he did do after he signed the contract.

[HumanCockroach]

You should read it again Future, as you missed the entire point..

'Nothing was proven by Smith's contract, except KC felt comfortable giving him it. I could also claim just as easily that KC obviously DID have faith in Smith, and SF DIDN'T in Kap, using the fact that KC felt he was WORTH the money, and SF DIDN'T feel Kap was. You're reading things into this stuff as proof positive, using nothing but desire, hopes and speculation as a basis for something you are claiming as "fact". It was a SMART move by the Niners, whether it be because of retaining talent, OR do to a lack of faith, either way, Kap bet on himself and SF was willing to let him, doesn't mean they would have paid him like Cutler or even Smith, it simply means the cost was acdeptable to them, and the risk was acceptable to Kap.'

[Futureite]

You should read it again Future, as you missed the entire point..

'Nothing was proven by Smith's contract, except KC felt comfortable giving him it. I could also claim just as easily that KC obviously DID have faith in Smith, and SF DIDN'T in Kap, using the fact that KC felt he was WORTH the money, and SF DIDN'T feel Kap was. You're reading things into this stuff as proof positive, using nothing but desire, hopes and speculation as a basis for something you are claiming as "fact". It was a SMART move by the Niners, whether it be because of retaining talent, OR do to a lack of faith, either way, Kap bet on himself and SF was willing to let him, doesn't mean they would have paid him like Cutler or even Smith, it simply means the cost was acdeptable to them, and the risk was acceptable to Kap.'

I read it through the first time. Smith's contract means Kaep could have sought the same money, at minimum. Be it with the 49ers or another team. That is now an established fact.

[RiverDog]

If you want to talk about trust, Alex is a more trustworthy QB than Kap.

He can be trusted not to make poor decisions, he can be trusted not to take unnecessary chances with his safety or that of his receivers, he can be trusted to run the exact offense his HC intends the way it's drawn up. He can be trusted put an acceptable corporate image in front of the press.

These are things valued by his current coach and organization.

His previous coach and organization chose to let him walk in favor of the almost ridiculous upside potential of a more spectacular athlete at the position. An organization less concerned with trustworthiness than what could be. An organization willing to take the greater chance of failure that came with the possibilities of greater success.

Alex got more guaranteed than Kap because Kap hasn't delivered yet on all that upside whereas Alex has delivered more that was expected of him and can be trusted to keep on doing the same.

Well those are all valid points Bob, but the only problem is the NFL doesn't pay 3-4 times the money for trustworthiness. Players are paid for talent and production, and by any objective measure the two are comparable in both. In fact, majority opinion has Kaep rated higher than Alex.

If there were some value attached to trustworthiness I guarantee it's not 3-4 times that of "upside". Considering the two guys have thrown nearly the exact same number of ints over the past 1.5 yrs, I am not sure how much merit that position holds in the first place.

Bottom line is the market just demonstrated what a 15ish (or less) rated QB garners in guranteed money. All agents will now use this as an arguing point for their player. Unless of course the player intentionally requests a different structure. Which is what Kaep said he would do before his negotiations and has maintained he did do after he signed the contract.

They are paid based on the market for their services, which could be quite different from their talent and productivity. For example, Russell Wilson may not have the talent and productivity as a quarterback like Peyton Manning, but due to the difference in age, the market for Russell could be quite different from that of Manning.

[mykc14]

You should read it again Future, as you missed the entire point..

'Nothing was proven by Smith's contract, except KC felt comfortable giving him it. I could also claim just as easily that KC obviously DID have faith in Smith, and SF DIDN'T in Kap, using the fact that KC felt he was WORTH the money, and SF DIDN'T feel Kap was. You're reading things into this stuff as proof positive, using nothing but desire, hopes and speculation as a basis for something you are claiming as "fact". It was a SMART move by the Niners, whether it be because of retaining talent, OR do to a lack of faith, either way, Kap bet on himself and SF was willing to let him, doesn't mean they would have paid him like Cutler or even Smith, it simply means the cost was acdeptable to them, and the risk was acceptable to Kap.'

I read it through the first time. Smith's contract means Kaep could have sought the same money, at minimum. Be it with the 49ers or another team. That is now an established fact.

LOL! So when we signed housch to a stupid contract in 09 it meant tgat lance Moore or Kevin Walters , both of whom had better stats than housch the previous season, deserved at least as much $ as him? Come on! The niners felt Kaep was worth what he got and the chiefs felt smith was worth what he got, end of story.

[NorthHawk]

I've always been of the position that players thrive or not depending on the situation they are in.
In Smith's case, his first 7(?) years he had the same number of different Offenses he had to learn.
Nobody can really succeed as a young player in that environment - especially a raw QB thrown into the NFL.
Now Smith has an Offense that largely matches his skill set. He might not light the world on fire with stats, but Reid trusts him and that's a huge thing in the NFL.
To the Chiefs, he is worth the money. After all, Smith wasn't drafted so high because he lacked skills and potential. He just hasn't had the opportunity to work within the same system for more than 2 years to properly develop.
I hope he does well there. He deserves to get the chance to really understand and feel comfortable in an Offense once in his career.

[Futureite]

If you want to talk about trust, Alex is a more trustworthy QB than Kap.

He can be trusted not to make poor decisions, he can be trusted not to take unnecessary chances with his safety or that of his receivers, he can be trusted to run the exact offense his HC intends the way it's drawn up. He can be trusted put an acceptable corporate image in front of the press.

These are things valued by his current coach and organization.

His previous coach and organization chose to let him walk in favor of the almost ridiculous upside potential of a more spectacular athlete at the position. An organization less concerned with trustworthiness than what could be. An organization willing to take the greater chance of failure that came with the possibilities of greater success.

Alex got more guaranteed than Kap because Kap hasn't delivered yet on all that upside whereas Alex has delivered more that was expected of him and can be trusted to keep on doing the same.

Well those are all valid points Bob, but the only problem is the NFL doesn't pay 3-4 times the money for trustworthiness. Players are paid for talent and production, and by any objective measure the two are comparable in both. In fact, majority opinion has Kaep rated higher than Alex.

If there were some value attached to trustworthiness I guarantee it's not 3-4 times that of "upside". Considering the two guys have thrown nearly the exact same number of ints over the past 1.5 yrs, I am not sure how much merit that position holds in the first place.

Bottom line is the market just demonstrated what a 15ish (or less) rated QB garners in guranteed money. All agents will now use this as an arguing point for their player. Unless of course the player intentionally requests a different structure. Which is what Kaep said he would do before his negotiations and has maintained he did do after he signed the contract.

They are paid based on the market for their services, which could be quite different from their talent and productivity. For example, Russell Wilson may not have the talent and productivity as a quarterback like Peyton Manning, but due to the difference in age, the market for Russell could be quite different from that of Manning.

You all have done a complete 180 on this issue. Before the contract we were going to pay him at least $20 mil because Romo and Cutler got that, snd Kaep had all the leverage. Remember those comnents? After the contract was done your opinion shifted to "49ers don't trust him".

All this constant talk about integrity and not one person here can admit what they said before and after. And now I am listening to you guys talk up the value of a player in Alex Smith that I've literally read you dis since oh, 2011. I believe you all believed T'Jack was about the same grade st that time.

Kap is not worth what Alex is. No one would've paid him that. Right. What hypocritical homer bullshit this is. I should come to learn that 95% of you are never going to just admit you were wrong. It would kill you to admit Kaep is a team guy like good ol' Russ. Just ruins the good v evil theme.

[HumanCockroach]

None of our attitudes shifted. No one here is on his jock like you are ( I know real surprising considering what board it is and all, and how clutch he has been in make a play or go home moments). Everyone here HAS been on Wilson being the better QB, and that is where this stupidity comes from. You can claim that any team would have given Kap that, but there is NO WAY you can assert it as 'fact' if for no other reason, than you have yet to see how he progresses this season, the success or lack there of would have controlled what teams were WILLING to invest in Kap, not some stupid comparison based on differering enviroments and situations.

First of all, Smith NOT Kap had MORE productive years under Harbaugh, just because Harbaugh and co decided to go with Kap, does NOT change that to anything else. KC TRUSTED Smith MORE than SF trusted Kap, or they would have simply GIVEN him the guarantees, much like Cincy did with Dalton. No matter how you attempt to spin this garbage, that is the truth of the matter at this point. Each front office and player handle things DIFFERENTLY and claiming otherwise is simply dumb and ignorant.

IF SF was as confident as you claim, those escalators would have been made much more attainable than they were, the FACTS of the matter are Kap STILL has holes in his game, and SF and staff aren't entirely sure, whether he will fix those problems, and so they PROTECTED themselves. It was a SMART move, and NO ONE I've seen on here has said otherwise ( well with the exception of you claiming it was pushed by Kap and his agents and some sort of goodwill charity work). sad really.

[NorthHawk]

What do you expect on a Seahawks fan page - objectivity?
I doubt you will find it in any fan forum for any team.
We all see our teams through different lenses than outsiders.
It's the way things work.

[HumanCockroach]

Of course not, that is Future's realm, and only his realm. Notice how he can remain objective regarding Seahawks players, and explain to us about how wrong we are in regards to pretty much everything under the sun? How could we ever get by with out his "objective" teachings on how people should be, behave, think, how football works, and everything else in the world?

Same as all pompous, arrogant jackarses claiming Niner fandom...

[RiverDog]

You all have done a complete 180 on this issue. Before the contract we were going to pay him at least $20 mil because Romo and Cutler got that, snd Kaep had all the leverage. Remember those comnents? After the contract was done your opinion shifted to "49ers don't trust him".

All this constant talk about integrity and not one person here can admit what they said before and after. And now I am listening to you guys talk up the value of a player in Alex Smith that I've literally read you dis since oh, 2011. I believe you all believed T'Jack was about the same grade st that time.

Kap is not worth what Alex is. No one would've paid him that. Right. What hypocritical homer bullshit this is. I should come to learn that 95% of you are never going to just admit you were wrong. It would kill you to admit Kaep is a team guy like good ol' Russ. Just ruins the good v evil theme.

Jeez, Future! Settle down. You're taking these comments about Kaep's contract vs. Smith way out of proportion. I didn't see anything that anyone said that could be construed to mean that Kaep isn't "a team guy like good ol' Russ." It's a discussion about the ins and outs of player contracts, why some players get paid more than others, etc, not some sort of commentary on different personalities.

[Anthony]

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Eh, go take an economics class kid.

Kid, LOL you have no clue like normal what you are talking about.

[Anthony]

If you want to talk about trust, Alex is a more trustworthy QB than Kap.

He can be trusted not to make poor decisions, he can be trusted not to take unnecessary chances with his safety or that of his receivers, he can be trusted to run the exact offense his HC intends the way it's drawn up. He can be trusted put an acceptable corporate image in front of the press.

These are things valued by his current coach and organization.

His previous coach and organization chose to let him walk in favor of the almost ridiculous upside potential of a more spectacular athlete at the position. An organization less concerned with trustworthiness than what could be. An organization willing to take the greater chance of failure that came with the possibilities of greater success.

Alex got more guaranteed than Kap because Kap hasn't delivered yet on all that upside whereas Alex has delivered more that was expected of him and can be trusted to keep on doing the same.

Great post!!

[Anthony]

Lol!! Annnd, now that debate is settled.

I do remember a vehement argument we had regarding Kap's contract. I took the position that he gave the 49ers a great deal to allow them to retain talent, that he could have drug out the negotiations for bigger money or signed elsewhere for more in 2015.

A lot of people countered with "the 49ers don't trust him. See, our analysis of his play was correct".

Well there you have it. By any objective measure, a QB who is no better than Kaep with even less time invested by the organization just signed a deal for $28+ mil more gauranteed than Kap's deal.

Now comes all of the qualifications to show how the situations are different. Also known as "reaching".

All this proves is that KC felt that Smith was worth more than Kaep. Again, I don't believe for a second that the niners came to Kaep with a contract and he told them "no, i'll take less so we can be competitive" and I don't think you believe that either. What probably happened was that was the number they came to through negotiations, just like every other contract. He got what he could, they offered what he thought he was worth, nothing more, nothing less. When RW gets his contract he will get what the FO thinks he is worth, this isn't that hard to figure out.

Yup I agree.

[Anthony]

If you want to talk about trust, Alex is a more trustworthy QB than Kap.

He can be trusted not to make poor decisions, he can be trusted not to take unnecessary chances with his safety or that of his receivers, he can be trusted to run the exact offense his HC intends the way it's drawn up. He can be trusted put an acceptable corporate image in front of the press.

These are things valued by his current coach and organization.

His previous coach and organization chose to let him walk in favor of the almost ridiculous upside potential of a more spectacular athlete at the position. An organization less concerned with trustworthiness than what could be. An organization willing to take the greater chance of failure that came with the possibilities of greater success.

Alex got more guaranteed than Kap because Kap hasn't delivered yet on all that upside whereas Alex has delivered more that was expected of him and can be trusted to keep on doing the same.

Well those are all valid points Bob, but the only problem is the NFL doesn't pay 3-4 times the money for trustworthiness. Players are paid for talent and production, and by any objective measure the two are comparable in both. In fact, majority opinion has Kaep rated higher than Alex.

If there were some value attached to trustworthiness I guarantee it's not 3-4 times that of "upside". Considering the two guys have thrown nearly the exact same number of ints over the past 1.5 yrs, I am not sure how much merit that position holds in the first place.

Bottom line is the market just demonstrated what a 15ish (or less) rated QB garners in guranteed money. All agents will now use this as an arguing point for their player. Unless of course the player intentionally requests a different structure. Which is what Kaep said he would do before his negotiations and has maintained he did do after he signed the contract.

Reading it fundamental, you should try it.

[Anthony]

You should read it again Future, as you missed the entire point..

'Nothing was proven by Smith's contract, except KC felt comfortable giving him it. I could also claim just as easily that KC obviously DID have faith in Smith, and SF DIDN'T in Kap, using the fact that KC felt he was WORTH the money, and SF DIDN'T feel Kap was. You're reading things into this stuff as proof positive, using nothing but desire, hopes and speculation as a basis for something you are claiming as "fact". It was a SMART move by the Niners, whether it be because of retaining talent, OR do to a lack of faith, either way, Kap bet on himself and SF was willing to let him, doesn't mean they would have paid him like Cutler or even Smith, it simply means the cost was acdeptable to them, and the risk was acceptable to Kap.'

I read it through the first time. Smith's contract means Kaep could have sought the same money, at minimum. Be it with the 49ers or another team. That is now an established fact.

No it does mean that at all and is not a fact, you are doing what you do best speculating and then trying to turn it into a fact. For all you know every team in the league would have offered Kap the same deal SF did, you have no clue at all. which is normal for you, clueless.

[Anthony]

You all have done a complete 180 on this issue. Before the contract we were going to pay him at least $20 mil because Romo and Cutler got that, snd Kaep had all the leverage. Remember those comnents? After the contract was done your opinion shifted to "49ers don't trust him".

All this constant talk about integrity and not one person here can admit what they said before and after. And now I am listening to you guys talk up the value of a player in Alex Smith that I've literally read you dis since oh, 2011. I believe you all believed T'Jack was about the same grade st that time.

Kap is not worth what Alex is. No one would've paid him that. Right. What hypocritical homer bullshit this is. I should come to learn that 95% of you are never going to just admit you were wrong. It would kill you to admit Kaep is a team guy like good ol' Russ. Just ruins the good v evil theme.

And you pathetic jump to say Smith getting more than Kap proves Kap could have gotten more is even worse homer crap and something you cannot prove. Kap got what SF felt he was worth period, Smith got what KC thought he was worth period. The fact Smith got more than Kap proves KC felt he was worth more than what SF thought Kap was worth period nothing more.