Alright, that's it, can we call a spade a spade finally?

[HumanCockroach]

Future is a troll. Period. Anyone still waffling on it, take a gander at the RD heat thread. Dude isn't hiding it in anyway any longer. Even did the "drive by" system of showing up, bashing the team, us and then dissapearing ( in true troll fashion), SMDH. Sorry, I'm simply not going to pull punches anymore, done having him claim I'm bonerfide by some bad Niner news ( notice no bashing on my part of the Niners, not that there shouldn't be, as this is a f%$king Seahawks site) the # 1 homer, lying about what I've said, or posted, lied about what anyone under the sun has said for love of Pete.

Sorry I simply had to vent. I accepted the "olive branch" he supposedly extended when he lied about what I posted, and I held up my end far longer than I should have, and now, I don't give an F what he says. Dudes a Troll, NOT some "objective" fan from another team.

[RiverDog]

I've been posting on the subject of the Seahawks for over 10 years, had the most posts on the PI as well as this site and was one of the leading posters (in terms of numbers of posts) on several other sites. I was on a virtual island in stating my opinion about XL when I said that there were other factors in our loss greater than the officiating. I've been called a Pete hater, a Sherman hater, a Percy hater, an Irvin hater, a Carpenter hater, not a true Seahawk fan, and was actually banned from one site due to what was perceived as my negative posts about the Hawks.

Now Future comes along in a thread I started about avoiding the heat and accuses me, of all people, of making an excuse for a Hawks loss even though there was not one word in any of my comments in that or other threads that indicated I was even remotely using the weather as anything more than a simple factor in the game of which both teams had to deal with. I never even brought up the white jersey thing. Hell, even CP understood me to be one of the more objective Hawks fans.

He fits the definition of a troll. That statement about me was a complete fabrication and was done with the intent of agitating posters and creating a disturbance. I don't want to see him banned, though.

[Anthony]

For me I was never in doubt he is a troll, and lying troll as well. So I understand I cannot stand the guy.

[FolkCrusader]

Personally I love his insights when he's not trying to pick a fight but I have stopped responding to him for the most part. Sorry future, you are not the same guy as when you started posting here and on the PI.

[THX-1138]

Well, I wasn't on the PI site as long as everyone else, and I haven't as many posts here as everyone else, but I would like to add my $.02:

From my point of a view, if a fan from another team chooses to come to this forum, one which is VERY fair and intelligent in it's Seahawks and NFL discussions, and chooses to pitch rocks then he/she is FAIR GAME. The gloves come off (a bit). Said opposing fan should expect to be met with resistance and knowledgeable verbal beat-downs. Personally I wouldn't make disparaging remarks about one's lineage or call into question the marital status of their parents, but I will proclaim their idiocy and label them as TROLL as I see fit. All within what I see as the fair posting guidelines of this esteemed forum.

If you try to pluck the feathers from a Hawk then you should be able to handle the claws, too.

[HumanCockroach]

Yeah, he even resorted to the "drive by" version of it, which for all of Futures warts, isn't something he typically does, but for whatever reason felt like this was the time to do so. I've attempted to keep things sort of respectful ( though I haven't always succeeded) and typically, am not even close to one that bashes on the Niners, somehow though, even with being that way ( though I typically do indeed support my team, on my teams board) I'm #1 fanboy, without objectivity. WTF? I'm done being nice
in any way with that troll. He talks about "integrity" and "character" and then pulls this sh#t? You have GOT to be kidding. Why because I've only met a few of the folks here? Yeah, OK. Why, because I defend players like Sherman, Wilson etc? On a board dedicated to those guys? Seriously?

[kalibane]

Of course he's troll... he's become every bit of what CPreturns used to be. Same types of sideways specious arguments constantly

I called this a long time ago on the PI forums, been saying it the past two years. He was concilliatory when the 49ers were a doormat but after that first season NFC Championship game he thought the division was the 49ers to rule. He still stayed civil and reasonable but as soon as it became apparent that the Seahawks were going to be a challenge to division dominance his whole style changed and it's been down hill ever since. Now it's to the point where he just spouts lies on the regular and then exits the thread for good when his lies are completely exposed, moving onto a new thread to pollute.

Even if in his mind the joke is on us and he's getting off on our responses, it's really kind of pathetic watching a, presumably, grown man waste so much time regressing into full on internet troll, behavior you'd typically see from someone in mid adolescence.

[HumanCockroach]

Fella's please don't misunderstand my "tolerance" he did change, and I was one of the first to point it out. I have little issue with his misguided opinions or beliefs in regards to the Seahawks, I can typically write that off to lack of study, but when he posts lies, or puts intention and words into what I ( or other posters) post, I draw the damn line. Well that and lies about our players.

RD and I seldom see eye to eye, and have had our fair share of serious disagreements, but some doosh coming in here and questioning his integrity and character, and doing so while lying about it, just ain't going to fly with me. I seriously attempt to remain somewhat nice in all my posts ( though obviously I don't always succeed) even with that tool, only to be accused of gloating, or relishing something that hasn't anything to do with what I am saying. The jackalope is out of chances IMHO, and I could care less if he is banned or not at this point. CPreturns at least did lie about what people here said, even if he cherry picked stats, info and statements, he at the very least, refrained from making sh%t up about what the posters here were posting. It seems that isn't this trolls status operandi.

[Agent 86]

You are preaching to most of the choir HCR. I have seen you and Kali beat him down verbally with nothing but facts and fair questions to which he never responds. He leaves the thread and pops back up in a different one .

He's a class A troll, who really, no one should respond to anymore as his MO went from courteous fan who stroked our team when they were bad, to troll poster who didn't know how to deal with a division rival's success.

I decided to put the cone of silence on whenever this guy tries to speak.

[RiverDog]

Fella's please don't misunderstand my "tolerance" he did change, and I was one of the first to point it out. I have little issue with his misguided opinions or beliefs in regards to the Seahawks, I can typically write that off to lack of study, but when he posts lies, or puts intention and words into what I ( or other posters) post, I draw the damn line. Well that and lies about our players.

RD and I seldom see eye to eye, and have had our fair share of serious disagreements, but some doosh coming in here and questioning his integrity and character, and doing so while lying about it, just ain't going to fly with me. I seriously attempt to remain somewhat nice in all my posts ( though obviously I don't always succeed) even with that tool, only to be accused of gloating, or relishing something that hasn't anything to do with what I am saying. The jackalope is out of chances IMHO, and I could care less if he is banned or not at this point. CPreturns at least did lie about what people here said, even if he cherry picked stats, info and statements, he at the very least, refrained from making sh%t up about what the posters here were posting. It seems that isn't this trolls status operandi.

Seldom see eye to eye? That hasn't been my impression. I think if you went back and looked at our posts that you'd be surprised at how many times we agreed. Disagreements are always going to be more memorable than agreement.

I agree that Future has morphed into a troll and I've lost a lot of respect for him over the past several months, but to me, he's not nearly as annoying as CPR, who used to use these thinly veiled, backhanded compliment type of insults that really got under my skin. Everybody has their own buttons, and CPR knew exactly which buttons of mine to push to get me pissed off.

The effect a troll has on a forum would make a good topic for discussion. CPR's threads were always the most popular, and he seemed to draw a lot of us together in opposing him, gave us something in common that we could all agree on. It also made for fabulous comical entertainment.

[Hawk Sista]

Future was always a Troll, IMHO. He was subtly so sometimes w/ thinly veiled passive aggressive comments crafted to prod a response. I've not liked his posts for years and have put him on hyper blast more than once. I was always amazed that lots of posters here tolerated him for as long as they did. To me, same guy, different era - perhaps a little more brazen.

[burrrton]

A little OT, but then so's this thread:

Disagreements are always going to be more memorable than agreement.

Yep, and further, if you're anything like me, I post far more often to express disagreement- I usually only try to post a "HEAR HEAR" when I have something to add (as I'm doing now ).

[ShackMod]

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[burrrton]

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What he said ^^

[HumanCockroach]

Maybe it's just specific topics we seem to go round and round about. I don't have issues with "disagreements" RD, it is part of the purpose for a forum after all, but lies, misdirection, insults to the fans and the players the forum is for, questioning the integrity and character of the posters that have a reason to be here ( as it is you know a Seahawks site) . I'm fine with disagreeing ( sometimes strongly with posters on this board, that aren't doing so out of jealousy or spite, as they STILL have the best interest of the team at heart) about line issues, coaching decisions, players on field or off field actions, but when that crosses over into blatant lies, and insults about one of the posters that is obviously a longtime fan, I get angry ( which is obviously the purpose of a troll like Future, so I guess he wins).

[Futureite]

Future is a troll. Period. Anyone still waffling on it, take a gander at the RD heat thread. Dude isn't hiding it in anyway any longer. Even did the "drive by" system of showing up, bashing the team, us and then dissapearing ( in true troll fashion), SMDH. Sorry, I'm simply not going to pull punches anymore, done having him claim I'm bonerfide by some bad Niner news ( notice no bashing on my part of the Niners, not that there shouldn't be, as this is a f%$king Seahawks site) the # 1 homer, lying about what I've said, or posted, lied about what anyone under the sun has said for love of Pete.

Sorry I simply had to vent. I accepted the "olive branch" he supposedly extended when he lied about what I posted, and I held up my end far longer than I should have, and now, I don't give an F what he says. Dudes a Troll, NOT some "objective" fan from another team.

It's not "drive by". I just got tired of reading "liar" "troll" etc. Total waste of time to try and defend it. Especially with so many topics I posted on now tipping towards opinions I have posted.

Also, I started to realize that blog boards have devolved into sensationalisn. There is too much discussion about hyperbole and storylines. Examples here are "49er fans are (insert insult)". Examples on national boards are "Jim Harbaugh says 49ers fans could be improved". These aren't really topics I want to waste time discussing. And when I read them here I get so irritated that it's tough not to respond. So I chose to stop reading for a while.

Truth is it was easy for us both to talk football when our teams sucked. There were no storylines or competitive rivalry. It is different now. I am sure our fans taunted yours. Yours also taunted ours more than any other fanbase in my 35 yrs of watching football; literally. I am not sure how you expect people to react after the 100th "42-13" quote, but I am human. It got old pretty quick.

I tried my best to balance real honesty with objective opinion. The two do not mix well with something we both like to fiercely defend. That being our teams. If you look beyond my affiliation or my choice of words, you'll fund quite a bit of what I post is logical.

Ya, I should not have came at River. I had just finished reading 3 other national boards where throngs of Hawk fans blamed the heat. But the Charger players are use to 70 degrees yr rd - not 120. I could not believe the conversation filtered to the Shack. Thought the dialogue was above that here.

Anyway, those are the reasons my blogging on all boards has decreased by about 85%. I want to actually enjoy some this season. Regardless of who's team is better.

[Hawktown]

Anyway, those are the reasons my blogging on all boards has decreased by about 85%. I want to actually enjoy some this season. Regardless of who's team is better.[/quote]

Funny because i actually believe you calculated this number.

[Futureite]

Of course he's troll... he's become every bit of what CPreturns used to be. Same types of sideways specious arguments constantly

I called this a long time ago on the PI forums, been saying it the past two years. He was concilliatory when the 49ers were a doormat but after that first season NFC Championship game he thought the division was the 49ers to rule. He still stayed civil and reasonable but as soon as it became apparent that the Seahawks were going to be a challenge to division dominance his whole style changed and it's been down hill ever since. Now it's to the point where he just spouts lies on the regular and then exits the thread for good when his lies are completely exposed, moving onto a new thread to pollute.

Even if in his mind the joke is on us and he's getting off on our responses, it's really kind of pathetic watching a, presumably, grown man waste so much time regressing into full on internet troll, behavior you'd typically see from someone in mid adolescence.

Lol this entire post is the reason I've dropped my activity here and other boards. You are obviously completely and utterly oblivious to how over the top obnoxious your fanbase became as a whole immediately after the Buffalo game. Truth be told I reveled in the Hawks loss to the Chargers. But as soon as I wanted to post on it, I was over it. I got no thrill in rubbing anyone's nose in it, so I left it alone.

You? "42-13 42-13 42-13 . . .43-8 43-8 43-8 . . . 50 Burger Fifty Burger Fifty Burger". Your collective obnoxious meter is about level 130. As self absorbed as you are braniac, I am not even slightly surprised that you've never once considered the other side of the coin.

See it's a lose lose for me. If I respond to your bullshit, I do look like a troll. If I don't, I am "polluting a thread and moving on". Why don't you break the cycle. Sorry the 5 min I just wasted to insult you back will not be returned to me.

[rottweiler]

Love 'em both, ah do — tha Futureite and the HeadCoach (/ HumanCockroach).

And given that, reckon that ah cain't pick sides in this charade.

I hope everybody here's doin' well today.

God bless us all.

[Futureite]

Anyway, those are the reasons my blogging on all boards has decreased by about 85%. I want to actually enjoy some this season. Regardless of who's team is better.

Funny because i actually believe you calculated this number.[/quote]

Haha I may have. Enjoy Sunday. I think you guys will win.

[Futureite]

Love 'em both, ah do — tha Futureite and the HeadCoach (/ HumanCockroach).

And given that, reckon that ah cain't pick sides in this charade.

I hope everybody here's doin' well today.

God bless us all.

Thanks man. Your posts always exude awesomeness and creativity.

[obiken]

I never paid much attention to him to be honest.
The only guy I ever had a problem with was ASHF, but that was more of a difference of opinion than him being a troll.
I thought he was too much of a Front office suck up, and a mindless cheerleader, and he thought I was a worthless incessant whine baby!!! The truth was probably in-between!

[RiverDog]

Ya, I should not have came at River. I had just finished reading 3 other national boards where throngs of Hawk fans blamed the heat. But the Charger players are use to 70 degrees yr rd - not 120. I could not believe the conversation filtered to the Shack. Thought the dialogue was above that here.

Throngs of Hawks fans blaming our loss on the heat? I call bullchit.

You'll have to go back and highlight what comments you are talking about. Naturally there's going to be a lot of discussion about the heat we had to endure just as there's going to be discussions about the altitude in Denver or the cold in Green Bay. But no one on this board, that I am aware of, blamed our loss on the heat, nor did anyone on the other board I frequent. There were a few posters that indicated that we did not prepare very well, noted that the Chargers chose to wear white, or that we may have not have prepared for the heat in the same manner as the Chargers did and there were a few, like our friend Jacknut, that said that we should have gone for it on 4th and 2 on our own 36 because our defense was completely gassed, but I don't view those comments as assigning a cause for the loss.

[RiverDog]

I never paid much attention to him to be honest.
The only guy I ever had a problem with was ASHF, but that was more of a difference of opinion than him being a troll.
I thought he was too much of a Front office suck up, and a mindless cheerleader, and he thought I was a worthless incessant whine baby!!! The truth was probably in-between!

Yea, I agree with you about ASF, obi. The guy should have been banned from the PI. You're not the only one he ran off. I know several good posters that got discouraged by his taunts.

[NorthHawk]

If Future is a troll, as many here think, he must be revelling in an entire thread devoted to him.
It's not unlike Cowpie in that regard.

[HumanCockroach]

I'm sure he is, that said, there were some that didn't feel so, and I am done pretending like he isn't so I started this thread. Typically Trolls are for the most part, a distraction, the lies took it beyond that for me.

[obiken]

If a person calls people names without a reason he is a troll. If he pushes a position that isn't grounded in logic, decency, or football principles, AND refuses to listen to reason he is a Troll. In the end we can all have a difference of opinion and still have fun in here.
The great issues of FB march on. The 4-3 was and is better than the 3-4. Terrell Owens should not be in the HOF.
Jerry Kramer not being in the HOF is a stain on the HOF.
Barry Sanders was a better RB than Emmitt Smith.
Karl Mecklenburg's Santa Claus, IE Dave Krieg, should not be in the ROH.