Seahawks Back in AFC West??

[Vegaseahawk]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2224854-insider-buzz-raiders-would-agree-to-nfc-west-move-to-land-los-angeles-stadium?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=seattle-seahawks

At first I didn't know what to think about this, but after thinking about it for a bit, I decided that I would like it, being a longtime fan & thinking back to the old days. I just LOVE to hate the Donkeys. That being said, such a move would pretty much kill the 49er rivalry, would it not?

[c_hawkbob]

On the one hand; screw the Raiders/Chargers scenario, I'd rather see the Rams back in LA anyway, it's where they belong. All three teams would be in the right cities and the Oakland and San Diego would just have to build new stadiums.

On the other hand; I wouldn't mind being back in the AFC West. We've already made the NFC West our whipping boys, winning 6 (soon the 7) of the last 10 titles and I'd love to do the same to our old rivals in the AFC West.

On the other, other hand; I'd miss the annual game in St Loo, which is only a 5 hour drive from here ...

[burrrton]

Can't bring myself to give a crp either way.

I never like change with my team, so I didn't like the going AFCW-->NFCW, and I'm sure I'd feel similar going back, but meh.

Still got 16 games to go out and win.

[THX-1138]

Well if it were up to me, and it obviously aint, I say screw the Raiders. Since 1976 I have been an avowed Raider Hater. I always will be. If the Raiders want to move to LA and it takes Seattle helping them out to make it happen then I repeat:

Screw 'em.

On an unrelated note:

Mark Davis is one big red nose and some white grease paint away from a promising career with Barnum and Bailey.

[HumanCockroach]

So, most here would welcome two more ten AM start times ? Makes zero sense to me. Logistically speaking, the team that should shuffle is St. Louis, which would place three AFC teams in closer proximity, in the same time zone, within the same division ( KC, Denver, St. Louis) while placing an actual west Coast team in closer proximity to the others in the NFC West. I absolutely HATE the idea of bouncing divisions yet again ( this would be move number 3) and could give two shakes of pi$$
whether there is a return of 80's rivalries ( after all there are NO rivalries without success, and Seattle certainly didn't have it in the 70's, or 90's) Seattle has plenty of lively rivalries in the division they currently reside (along with being their original division and conference) and am not in the least interested in starting over withing another conference and division, yet again, increasing the travel, 10 am start times etc, all for the sake of the past.

Hate it, completely and unequivocally. This same "excuse" they used to justify the last move, and they are going to dust it off again? F that. Absolutely no viable reason IMHO to even entertain this thought. You can add in the team is built to compete in THIS division as well ( as ALL teams are built) I am simply NOT interested in becoming Denver or NE.

[obiken]

Redo the divisions: SD, SF, Seattle, and Oak in one "West" and realign the rest of the divisions

[NorthHawk]

We've done our share of changes to benefit the league. Now it's time for some other team to make a change. After all, they moved or are moving to help themselves, so why should we be impacted?

[RiverDog]

I wanna see the Rams back in LA, too. I'm a traditionalist, and would love to see the Rams back to wearing all white jerseys/pants with the blue highlighting. St. Louis is a baseball town, and even in good times, has never fully adapted the Rams.

In any event, I don't see us moving back to the AFC, at least not now. Our rivalry with the Niners is currently tops in the NFL, and I don't think they'd want to split that up at this particular time.

FYI the Raiders at one time nearly ended up in Seattle, but they could never come to an agreement with UW to use Husky Stadium as their home field.

[jshawaii22]

So the point of this speculative BR report is that IF Oakland moves back to LA, they would be too close to San Diego to have both in the same division? If that's the reasoning, I don't get it. If Portland got an NFL team, wouldn't we all want them to be in our division? Are they saying that San Diego fans drive down from LA for games and they would lose what little fan base they have now? It's all about the Bolts stadium. It's supposed to suck.

Personally, I don't want to lose the Hawks vs 49ers rivalry that dominates right now. Maybe it's a short-sighted view, but I just don't think I would care about San Diego, Denver or KC the way I do about SF... that would suck.

Since they are in the Eastern Time Zone, move the god damn Rams out if someone has to go. They have Zero rivalries in the NFL.

js

[monkey]

Honestly, I've moved past the AFC West hatred...even for the Broncos, who won't be any good soon anyway, since Peyton's contract and age will have completely hamstrung that team starting next season. I'll always hate the Raiders but they are a complete joke. They're so pathetic I almost forget to loathe them sometimes.

The Niners though...now THERE'S a team I can REALLY, TRULY DESPISE!
I've never ever liked them anyway, I always hated them when they were winning Super Bowls, just because even then I hated that team, that city, their ugly colors etc... and even more because Jerry Rice was breaking all of Largent's records.
Now I can honestly say without any hesitation that I hate that team more than I hated the Raiders and Broncos put together! I hate their stupid coach, stupid QB...in fact, except for Gore, (who I have grudging respect for) I hate that whole stinking roster!

Besides, if the NFL were to move us again, it would indeed prove beyond ANY shadow of a doubt, that the NFL thinks of the Seahawks as a joke team; because to move a recent Super Bowl winner, one who has BY FAR the best and most entertaining and interesting football rivalry with the Niners, would be the ultimate slap in the face.

If the NFL wants to move someone, then they ought to move St. Louis, who really belongs in LA anyway!

[RiverDog]

So the point of this speculative BR report is that IF Oakland moves back to LA, they would be too close to San Diego to have both in the same division? If that's the reasoning, I don't get it. If Portland got an NFL team, wouldn't we all want them to be in our division? Are they saying that San Diego fans drive down from LA for games and they would lose what little fan base they have now? It's all about the Bolts stadium. It's supposed to suck.

Personally, I don't want to lose the Hawks vs 49ers rivalry that dominates right now. Maybe it's a short-sighted view, but I just don't think I would care about San Diego, Denver or KC the way I do about SF... that would suck.

Since they are in the Eastern Time Zone, move the god damn Rams out if someone has to go. They have Zero rivalries in the NFL.

js

Perhaps they are afraid of fan violence if they were to put that thuggish Raiders fan base so close to another division rival. The Raiders/Niners rivalry is so ugly that they no longer play each other in the preseason. Leaving them in opposite conferences means they only have to worry about such a matchup once every 4 years instead of twice a season.

[c_hawkbob]

So the point of this speculative BR report is that IF Oakland moves back to LA, they would be too close to San Diego to have both in the same division? If that's the reasoning, I don't get it. If Portland got an NFL team, wouldn't we all want them to be in our division? Are they saying that San Diego fans drive down from LA for games and they would lose what little fan base they have now? It's all about the Bolts stadium. It's supposed to suck.

Personally, I don't want to lose the Hawks vs 49ers rivalry that dominates right now. Maybe it's a short-sighted view, but I just don't think I would care about San Diego, Denver or KC the way I do about SF... that would suck.

Since they are in the Eastern Time Zone, move the god damn Rams out if someone has to go. They have Zero rivalries in the NFL.

js

The Raiders to the NFC scenario is if both the Raiders and Chargers move to LA.

[RiverDog]

Although I have a hard time believing that they'd ever move there, the Raiders are still playing footsie with San Antonio.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... -alamodome

[Bird Droppings]

Lessers of evil are lessons of evil ... or logic ... or???

Right now, the NFL has incredible balance by having 4 team divisions in two leagues.

32.

an ideal number for scheduling.

so the idea of expansion, with one new team to Los Anhellese and one new team to Lundun would create more problems than they are worth.

So, logistics sez that a team based in London is not logical ... until the League expands to 48 or 64 teams, and that ain't happnin' yet.

For the time being, play a couple games a year there to appease and threaten world order, all at the same time.

But Los Anhellese is another matter.

It makes all the sense in the world to move an existing team there.

But the Chargers want it, the Rams want it, and the Raiders want it, but the NFL does not like the owner of the Raiders, who is not satisfied with his present stadium.

And today the Chargers come out and say 30% of their fan base are from the LA area.

Well, any team going into the LA market is, thus, a threat to San Diego (according to owner Spanos and Son Hollywoodbe Moving Company).

And the Sainted Louis situation is stymied in molasses and grits, and the owners want a more fluid moving situation.

Notwithstanding that the Rams owners opted to move to Sainted Louis many moons ago, the Frontiere has changed and now they want to go back home.

From a geographical standpoint, Saint Louis is the logical choice as they are already NFC West and it fits that jigsaw puzzle best.

While tossing Buffalo and Jacksonville seeem out of the equation, they are truly longshots in an LA dazzle move.

So while my money is on the Rams going home, I cannot place a large wager.

If Davis were the Rooney's or Mara's he would get LA.

If Spanos was the Rooney's or the Mara's he would get LA.

Since Goody Goodell has said the League wants two teams in LA, and Rams owner Kroenke is meeting with League officials today, my bet is partially attached to the fact that Koenke bought sixty acres of land next to the LA Forum last December. Gee.

So it's the Rams heading there soon, and the Raiders or Chargers (probably the Chargers ... but if the Raiders have a new owner that whole balance could change).

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[Bird Droppings]

So, after all that diatribe, the Hawks remain in the NFC West along with the Niners, Cardinals, and Rams.

Sorry, the caffeine did it.

zoom

[Hawk Sista]

"It's all about the Bolts stadium. It's supposed to suck."

The stadium is so lame and the parking is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy worse. It literally took more than an hour to get in and park (because of how the stadium is situated off the freeway, there is no walking there like in Seattle) and literally two hours to get out. It really ruined the day. From my point of view, and this has nothing to do with structural integrity and out-datedness of the place, part of the lameness of the stadium was the people in it. They really did not know when to cheer and most of the fans were more interested in hitting on each other and checking facebook on their iphones than watching a game. Perhaps that latter part is moot now that they are winning again, I dunno. But having been to Seattle and San Diego in the same season, there was ZERO fan experience by comparison (save the interesting food choices on the perimeter.)

Bob - what I understood about the scenario involving the Hawks moving back to the AFCW was this. San Diego would stay in SD and the Raiders would move to LA. Because they would not want two teams in the same division so close (I think the earlier post regarding safety is dead nuts accurate), the Raiders have volunteered to move to the NFC. Which, in the end, would result in a few extra homicides a year between SF and LA.

[kalibane]

From what I've heard Sis, the move would only take place if both the Chargers and the Raiders moved to LA.

It doesn't even make sense to say the Chargers are too close to LA. For one, Oakland played in LA before and it wasn't an issue. For two, Philly is about the same distance from Washington as SD is from LA and it's closer to NY than SD is from LA.

And as far as how I stand on this. I don't see the point of moving back to the AFC West when there is a great natural rivalry between the Hawks and SF. Not to mention you're breaking up the traditional Raiders/Broncos, Raiders/Chiefs rivalries. Also you put Oakland in the NFC West and remove Seattle and you might as well print out division titles for SF for the next 5-10 years.

[c_hawkbob]

I dunno Sis, I just listened to it again and he's definitely talking about the Chargers wanting to move to LA.

Towards the beginning of the video when he talks about the league not wanting two teams in LA if the Raiders moved their he'd have to have been talking as though San Diego were an LA suburb to mean if the Radiers moved to LA and the Chargers didn't.

When he says the league wants two teams in LA he can't be meaning one in LA and one in San Diego ...

[Hawk Sista]

I stand corrected. I just assumed that they meant the LA area. As a central California person - I kinda see that whole mess south of Ventura as one big lump of traffic and goo...including San Diego. I listened to it again and indeed you (& Kal) are right. I don't know why anyone would think that a City that couldn't support 1 team can now support 2... Who knows?

sorry - carry on.

[kalibane]

I think LA can support two teams. The problem was always the LA Coliseum (which was originally built in the 30's). There is only so much you can do in terms of remodeling. It's just antiquated and on top of that it's right across from USC in the middle of the city that already has horrendous traffic issues.

If they get a new stadium though even the fickle LA scene will support it and multiple owners will be tripping over themselves to get there for the local media rights alone.

[Hawk Sista]

I heard Clayton say the two teams most likely to go to LA are Rams & Raiders. I do find it difficult to see the Chargers, Rams & Raiders in a 100 mile radius. Maybe I'm wrong.

[RiverDog]

So, after all that diatribe, the Hawks remain in the NFC West along with the Niners, Cardinals, and Rams.

Sorry, the caffeine did it.

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Sorry? Why? You are by far the most interesting and entertaining poster in the forum, and that post was classic Zoom.

I agree, the Hawks ain't going anywhere. They moved us out of the AFCW against our will back in 2000. They won't do it again unless Mr. Allen consents, and no way is he giving up the SF rivalry.

[jshawaii22]

So, two teams in one stadium? I get it. Not one in LA proper and one in Anaheim... I would guess that's because it would take both teams to pay for the mortgage of 1.5 - 2 billion + to build it and pay off all the politico's and unions and the lawyers who would have dozens of lawsuits before a shovel of dirt was turned.

In the past, LA couldn't support one team. They tried with the Rams and Raiders. How would they support two. I'm glad the radio spot was speculation, not fact.

[Seahawks4Ever]

I grew to love our Seahawks playing in the AFC West. I also remember the snide remark that either the Raiders or Broncos said when we were moved back to the NFC West, " the Seahawks were the only team in our division that had not been to the Super Bowl". That was a huge slap to the face of the team and the fans. It implied we were all LOSERS.

Well, we have now been to two Super Bowls and just destroyed the AFC West Broncos (the team I believe made the remark) so should we return to the AFC West it would be the Chargers who have the dubious distinction of being the only team in that division that has NOT won a Super Bowl!

But, NO I don't want to see our Seahawks moved back to the AFC West. The NFC West is set up really well and will be even better should the Rams return to L.A. where they belong. Oh, and I am glad that the saints are no longer in the NFC West, yet, ironically, I would hate to see the K.C. Chiefs moved out of the AFC West, some how it just fits.