Official Post Game Thread

[mykc14]

I am Seahawks4Ever since I don't plan on ever rooting for any other team and I don't have "2nd, & 3rd." teams like some in here do. I also don't play fantasy football so I don't have divided loyalties on game days like some "fans" do. None in here I am sure but I have heard people rooting on certain opponents playing our Seahawks because they are on their fantasy teams on other boards, never in here though.

What I am no longer doing is buying the B.S. that Pete and company are selling. Tom Cable might be good at coaching an O-Lineman but he can't draft one to save his life. Cable is great at turning a D-Lineman into an O-lineman but he can't seem to be able to scout anybody good who actually plays the position in college.

They had a great thing going with their D- line rotation then blow it up yet expect the same production.

I have been waiting ever since Pete got here for two things, a pass rush and a reduction in penalties, Pete has delivered on neither and I have given up him ever providing either.

Russell Wilson, I love the guy, but dude struggles to throw for 200 yards and now is struggling to get over a buck fifty. It is NOT all the O-Line's or receiver's fault. he can't throw over the middle (hardly ever anyway) and is now having trouble throwing out patterns. He does throw those bubble screens though, top notch...

The defense won Super Bowl 48 and the NFC Championship game, left to Wilson and we would still be waiting for the Seahawks to win their first championship.

Did I say I love the guy, I absolutely love Russell Sherman, but I am sick of not having a passing game. Hasselbeck had more 300 passing games in his first year as a starter than RW has had in his first two and a half seasons.

Like I said earlier, I hope I am wrong but if I am not you are going to get a big I told you so from if I am!

Everything you say comes off as emotionally driven non-sense. I loved Hass as well but he is nowhere near the QB RW is and there stats back this up. I honestly wonder what people were expecting this year. I had hoped that we would be able to win every game this season and bring home another lombardi, but come on. We very easily could have had a better record this year than last year, but we aren't as good of a team this year. We lost a lot in the offseason, most hoped that those pieces could be replaced and they haven't been, yet. What didn't happen is Pete and John putting us in a salary cap situation where we can't add anything next year. They have done a tremendous job of putting us in a position to continue to improve this team, including being able to spend $ next offseason. By my unofficial count we could easily (if the cap increases to around 143 mil) have over 45 mil to spend next offseason. We have a team that is 6-4, in the thick of the playoff hunt, with a ton of cap space next offseason to improve our areas of weakness. We still are very much in this thing and have room to improve next year. IMO our FO should get major props for that. Compare that to a team like the niners, who have to shred salary cap next year as they are already 150 mil for next season (could easily see them getting rid of Brooks saving 6 mil and even Willis saving around 8 mil). Even with that and a 4 mil carry over they only would have around 11 mil to spend. Or the Cards who have nothing to roll over and there cap for next year is already going to be 146. Also, they don't have much room to shred contracts. They really only can save by cutting Dockett (6 mil), Fitz (9 mil), or Palmer (8mil). Even if they did all of that they would still only have 20 mil to spend. The point is we are still a contender and have $ to spend next offseason.

[NorthHawk]

I know it's frustrating, but it's not like we have the record of the Raiders or Jags.

We had a pretty good pass rush last year. I would suggest it had a major impact in the Super Bowl win.

I don't know who Russell Sherman is, but I hope he plays DT or OC.

I doubt the mental mistakes will ever be solved as it hasn't changed much in 4 years, but we still won enough last year to satisfy most fans.

I think Cable is overrated as a judge of talent, but there are only a few Line Coaches that succeed year after year. I'm not sure why they haven't much improved as a group over the years, but it might be the type of players that are needed for his system are difficult to find.

It's real tough to repeat in the NFL, but we have a young neucleus to continue to challenge for the next few years before a major rebuild might be required. I think this might be a little bit of an off year, so it's a matter of a few additions to return to our form of last year.

[Hawktawk]

Hawks were 6-5 in 2012 and wound up 25 seconds from the NFC title game. Little early for the OBIT.

[Hawk Sista]

not to split hairs, but it was 31 seconds.

[Hawk Sista]

Russell Sherman I s too short................wait, what? who? this is some funny reading, here guys. just remember that it is one or two people losing it and not the whole bunch.

#CRAZYTRAIN

[HumanCockroach]

I didn't know how to act coming into this season. Never as a Hawks fan have any of us been in this position, defending champs. And after last years somewhat improbable journey from dark horse favorite to champs this has been trying at times.But that's a good problem. If this regime flames out and goes by the wayside WE STILL GOT ONE!!! And did it in style too... I guess for me its like OBS said earlier. At least they got a Lombardi before i take my dirt nap. Honestly I think this current group of players and FO are far from done regardless of how this year winds up. This team has a lot of winners, heart of a lion type guys. They aren't going down without a fight. I still like their chances doom and gloom be damned. Now if they lose next week the conversation might change but I think they will win next week.The schedule is scary from our perspective but name me the team on the list of the last 6 that is going to feel safe lining up against Seattle in Nov and Dec?Its a scary schedule for our opponents too..........

I can honestly say that I had a "hangover" and really haven't been as "up" for games this year as last , KC was the very first game this season ( with exception of the GB game, which I attended, and I was honestly more pumped for the banner than the game) that I honestly felt overly excited for ( and I'm not entirely sure if some of the players don't have a similar feeling). It's like pining away for that hot little number for years, finally landing her and then what? It will never be the same as that first time. Granted, I still feel things, but they simply aren't as strong. Know what I mean? I even was discussing this just before KO with my Brother last Sunday. The KC loss hurt more than any loss I have watched since that fateful ATL playoff game.

I'm out of my fog now, hopefully the Seahawks players and staff are as well, and we can get this sh@t going again... GO HAWKS.

[Hawktawk]

not to split hairs, but it was 31 seconds.

25 seconds after the kickoff sis. That was the amount of time the Hawks were asked to defend.....Its hard to think about it. We are and forever will be the 2013 Superbowl champs but honest to god that team wasn't on the roll the 2012 team was. I do believe the 2013 magic was born out of the agony of that defeat but it still makes you wonder what might have been.

[Hawk Sista]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh - so my memory fails me. I remember 31 seconds - perhaps that was the time left after we scored. It is forever emblazed in my mind. Anyway - I agree that we were playing some really solid ball. I liked our chances that year.

Just a brief confession......my better half was guilty of premature celebration after the go ahead TD. It is our fault we lost. I'm so sorry.

[Hawktawk]

We scored and I looked at the clock with 31 seconds. I texted my brother "worried". I just had a premonition. Heck I know everything happens for a reason but that was a tough loss. I remember feeling fairly optimistic and not quite as depressed as I expected to be under the circumstances thought.

[Hawkstar]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh - so my memory fails me. I remember 31 seconds - perhaps that was the time left after we scored. It is forever emblazed in my mind. Anyway - I agree that we were playing some really solid ball. I liked our chances that year.

Just a brief confession......my better half was guilty of premature celebration after the go ahead TD. It is our fault we lost. I'm so sorry.

I appreciate you offering up your better half sis, but I'm certain I was the culprit. I not only celebrated to 31 seconds to early, I rubbed it in the nose of Falcon Fans. I was in Therapy until the Lombardi was hoisted.

[burrrton]

I had buddies that traveled and were *at the game* in ATL. I don't even think XLVIII got them over it completely.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

I remember that game vividly: I took my Dad with me. He's 57 years old and that was his first NFL game. Watching it slip away in those final seconds was heartbreaking, but the looks on those Falcons fans faces was priceless when Miller caught the go-ahead score. It was also funny to hear them ask who the heck the tight end was carving up their defense; guess they forgot Zach Miller was a two-time Pro Bowl tight end with the Raiders. The Falcons fans were talking their team up before all this and talking about us like we didn't belong, but the Seahawks fan behind me cooly stated all we had to do was score three straight TD's to take the lead. Sure enough, we did. That was the best part for me; the team got punched in the gut and kicked in the teeth and then got right back up, fought it out, and took the lead. Most fun I've ever had in a loss.

So, to tie back in to the thread, this team has seen plenty of adversity, and I've yet to see them quit, so I'm not about to count them out this season. Go Hawks!

[Hawktawk]

Yes no doubt too early for an obituary by far. Seattle has a daunting schedule. But so does everyone else they play or is competing for a division title or a wild card. Tell me which team sees Seattle on the schedule and says "thats a win"? Yeah I thought so......

[Futureite]

IMO, it's a must win game next week, because if we drop to 6-5, that means 4-1 the rest of the way to make the playoffs, provided 10 W's gets you in.

I understand if some out there roll there eyes or shake their heads to that statement, but that's how I see it. This season is what it is, and it's nothing like last season, especially with all the injuries we've had to get through.

That said, we get Wagner back. That's Big. We get to host the Cards for our 1st matchup against them, another bonus. Then it's a short week before playing on Thanksgiving vs SF, who haven't proved that their new digs is a big HFA to this point.

The key is the timing of wins and losses. Getting the victory next Sunday gives us a bit more breathing room, and would help take the pressure off a little moving forward. Beat AZ next week, then we have to finish 3-2 the rest of the way. Big difference than having to go 4-1.

No matter how you slice it, I really believe we have to win out at home, then win another on the road.

I understand there's plenty of games left, but the NFC is an incredibly competitive conference this year.

There are also more desirable situations than others. For instance, it would serve us better to have Detroit and Dallas win their respective divisions, since we hold the tiebreaker against the Packers, and hopefully will have the same advantage against the Eagles, provided we beat them down the road.

We'll see how it shakes out. We are capable of going on a run, but we need to afford ourselves the best opportunity possible. That starts next Sunday vs the Cards.

We Need That Game.

Badly.

Go Seahawks!!!

I was wrong on the tiebreakers. Tiebreakers start with head to head, then Div record, then record V common opponents. If Seattle loses Sunday, the odds are pretty low that 10 wins gets them in. Reason being is in all likelihood they'd lose the tiebreaker with SF @ 10 wins based upon record V common opponents. A L Sunday would basically force Seattle to sweep us to secure a slot, and I don't believe that will happen. I'll hold to my prediction of a split. And this may even be the yr each team accomplishes that by winning on the other's homefield.

Each game is ridiculously important for Hawks from here on out. They all effect a tiebreaker in some form. Even the Eagle game is huge, as Seattle may be battling them for a 5 or 6 seed. Hell, we may be too. So do I say "go Hawks" or "go Eagles"??

This is going to be a wild, wild finish.

[HumanCockroach]

How did you come to that conclusion? something seems off in your calculations, as SC has already lost to Rams, and Arizona. Seattle could feasibly still beat Arizona twice whereas SC that ship has sailed.. conference record means a lot, but assuming Seattle will at least lose one to arizona, while assuming SC will beat them, seems like putting the cart before the horse. It is no more predictable at this point than me saying Seattle will win out, hold all the tie breakers and win the division, because, well because.

See how that works? Currently Seattle is 1-1 in the division, while SC is 1-2 seems to me, after overall record, Seattle has the edge here, not SC, and claiming they do is seriously assuming more than anyone right now could possibly know.

[Futureite]

How did you come to that conclusion? something seems off in your calculations, as SC has already lost to Rams, and Arizona. Seattle could feasibly still beat Arizona twice whereas SC that ship has sailed.. conference record means a lot, but assuming Seattle will at least lose one to arizona, while assuming SC will beat them, seems like putting the cart before the horse. It is no more predictable at this point than me saying Seattle will win out, hold all the tie breakers and win the division, because, well because.

See how that works? Currently Seattle is 1-1 in the division, while SC is 1-2 seems to me, after overall record, Seattle has the edge here, not SC, and claiming they do is seriously assuming more than anyone right now could possibly know.

Well, if Seattle loses this weekend, they are 0-2 within the div. I assume a SF/Sea split, so that means in all likelihood both teams end the yr with 3 Div wins. That eliminates the first two tiebreakers. The 3rd is commn opponents. We hold a 2 game edge in that tiebreaker, having beaten Dallas and KC. This is why I say basically every game from here on out is crucial for Seattle. Of course they are for us as well, and if you win the next two it may flipflop to where Seattle has the edge. But even in that case if we won in Seattle we're back to square 1, with both teams on track for 3 Div wins and the common opponent tie breaker determing the higher seed in the event the two teams finish with the same record.

That is how I see it now. When I misstated the order of the tiebreakers in my prior post, I thought Seattle had a clear advantage with a better conference record. I figured we needed 11 wins min, because we'd lose a tie with Seattle.

Of course anything could happen. I am making the prediction based upon what I think will happen. True, any team could win out, including AZ. I don't think that will happen though.

[Hawk Sista]

I have a cranberry salsa recipe if anyone is interested. It doesn't sound great but it tastes great. LMK if you are interested.

[Futureite]

I have a cranberry salsa recipe if anyone is interested. It doesn't sound great but it tastes great. LMK if you are interested.

Sweet. I am guessing you didn't read my prior post, where - based upon my own incorrect understanding of the tiebreakers - I worried that 11 wins wouldn't do it for the 49ers, because they'd have to overcome the conference record tiebreaker which the Seahawks held. It is amazing how quick the post turned into "trolling" after I reviewed the tiebreakers earlier today. For the sake of not annoying everyone else here again, I am not responding to your passive agressive baiting again. I have come to recognize you are quite good at it.

[mykc14]

Well, if Seattle loses this weekend, they are 0-2 within the div. I assume a SF/Sea split, so that means in all likelihood both teams end the yr with 3 Div wins. That eliminates the first two tiebreakers. The 3rd is commn opponents. We hold a 2 game edge in that tiebreaker, having beaten Dallas and KC. This is why I say basically every game from here on out is crucial for Seattle. Of course they are for us as well, and if you win the next two it may flipflop to where Seattle has the edge. But even in that case if we won in Seattle we're back to square 1, with both teams on track for 3 Div wins and the common opponent tie breaker determing the higher seed in the event the two teams finish with the same record.

That is how I see it now. When I misstated the order of the tiebreakers in my prior post, I thought Seattle had a clear advantage with a better conference record. I figured we needed 11 wins min, because we'd lose a tie with Seattle.

Of course anything could happen. I am making the prediction based upon what I think will happen. True, any team could win out, including AZ. I don't think that will happen though.

There is still alot of football to be played, both teams just need to take care of business. It's too early to worry about tie-breakers right now, IMO especially with so much divisional football to be played by both teams. If we do both end up 10 wins and 3-3 in our division then the niners would go. But looking at the rest of our schedules we both have our work cut out for us and if we are tied with almost any other team with 10 wins we would take the tie-beaker.

[Futureite]

Mykc;

Absolutely agree. I saw some posts above projecting, so I did the same. In reality the Thanksgiving game is probably bigger for us, because if we lose we'd basically have to win in Seattle or sit at home for the playoffs. There are a ton of different scenerios that could play out between now and then.

[c_hawkbob]

Sweet. I am guessing you didn't read my prior post, where - based upon my own incorrect understanding of the tiebreakers - I worried that 11 wins wouldn't do it for the 49ers, because they'd have to overcome the conference record tiebreaker which the Seahawks held. It is amazing how quick the post turned into "trolling" after I reviewed the tiebreakers earlier today. For the sake of not annoying everyone else here again, I am not responding to your passive agressive baiting again. I have come to recognize you are quite good at it.

Still feeling the need to 'defend' yourself, still calling people out to engage them in a specific argument. These are the things that make you a troll, not your opinion. Say what you have to say and leave it be.

[Hawktown]

Trolls will always be trolls no matter how UN-troll like they want to sound in 1 or 2 specific posts so they can say, look i am not acting a troll. Until they remove the smoke screen that is.

With that said, any good recipe's ?

[Hawk Sista]

I was not being passive aggressive at all. Anyone who has followed this group for any length of time KNOWS EXACTLY what salsa recipes are all about. Nothing passive about it.

[c_hawkbob]

LOL, exactly!, what veil?

[Hawk Sista]

what I find most hilarious is responding with see - I'm not responding. Wait.....what? Isn't that a response?

[mykc14]

what I find most hilarious is responding with see - I'm not responding. Wait.....what? Isn't that a response?

Clearly his response wasn't really a true response. It was like this:

"I heard the hurtful things that you said to me and I'm not going to respond to them. I mean this one doesn't really count because I had to respond to you to tell you that I'm not going to respond to you and since I had to respond to you anyway I thought I would actually respond to the last thing that you said to me but now I'm not going to respond anymore. So don't count this as a response even though I actually did respond, but I had to respond so it doesn't really count."

Or something like that. Don't you see it's not his fault. You made him respond.

[Hawk Sista]

My mistake is clear to me now. I take full accountability. Carry on...

I'm sorry, but this is lifting my spirits a tinge. Thanks guys

[HumanCockroach]

Well, if Seattle loses this weekend, they are 0-2 within the div. I assume a SF/Sea split, so that means in all likelihood both teams end the yr with 3 Div wins. That eliminates the first two tiebreakers. The 3rd is commn opponents. We hold a 2 game edge in that tiebreaker, having beaten Dallas and KC

First of all the assumption Seattle loses at home this weekend is pretty damn laughable. They of course could indeed lose the game, but assuming it so as some sort of forgone conclusion is hilarious. Second, once again your math is squirly, I understand trying to forget as hard as possible, but SC has a ONE game lead in "common" opponents, with three yet to play ( Washington,Oakland,SD) You see "common" opponents include Denver, which last I checked Seattle beat, who the trounced the Niners. Seattle needs to beat those in front of them, but assuming there is some sort of insurmountable lead is crazy.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National ... e_playoffs

Who knows, but I do know should your team tie in that instead of winning out right your so called advantage turns to nothing as Seattle has two losses in conference, while the Niners already have tbhree. I wouldn't get overly cocky either, as SC hasn't exactly been destroying teams ( 14-6 against the Giants with FIVE interceptions? Beating the 4-6 Saints because your DB grew up playing soccer or taking acting lessons? ) and they certainly haven't destroying teams at home, pretty much all season ( in fact more often than not they lose in Levi). Maybe wait a minute before predicting Seattles doom ( especially at home).

[Futureite]

HC;

You are right. I missed the Denver game. I have looked at the tiebreakers and gone back and forth on it in my own mind, and who knows who has the advantage. You are also prob right that it's all way too early to do that. But I like to turn all sorts of things around in my mind for fun.

I didn't assume a L to the Cards. Though I do put them as very mild favs this weekend. Reason is they lock down the run as good as anyone and they blitz the hell out of the QaB. That's a tough draw for a team that is not protecting its QB that well. But it could go either way. I only referenced "0-2" to illustrate how important the game is. Meaning, it's as close to a must win as a team can have at this time of yr.

[Vegaseahawk]

I didn't assume a L to the Cards. Though I do put them as very mild favs this weekend.

You must know something the oddsmakers don't. They've installed the Cards as 6.5 point underdogs in this game.

[Futureite]

Vegas puts those numbers up based on their estimation of how the general public will bet, not on who they believe will win. I think this is a terrible matchup for the Hawk O. And Cards have a lot of confidence and some bigtime weapons on O. If I were to bet, I'd go with 20-16 Cards. Somewhere in that range.

CHawkBob said to post what I think and not apologize for it or attempt to defend it. He called that trolling. So I am taking his advice .

[Vegaseahawk]

Vegas puts those numbers up based on their estimation of how the general public will bet, not on who they believe will win

Not sure what you meant by your comment, although you are implying that I said that the oddsmakers base their lines on 1 thing only, who will win. That is an oversimplification. The oddsmakers post a number based on power rankings which include all of the statistics surrounding a team over time. I think they're giving Seattle 4 points for HFA, (other NFL teams get 3), & 1 or 2 more because the Cards QB is their 2nd stringer. Their goal is to have the public money evenly divided between the 2 sides, as well as the over & under. Now there are basically 2 types of bettors, the way thee oddsmakers see it. The Sharps, & the Squares. The sharps are the professional gamers who bet on sports for a living. There are a lot of them here in Vegas. They generally bet 4- 5 figures & up on a game, & their money can & does affect how the line moves. The Squares are the casual bettors, fans, & semi serious bettors, who generally, (but not always), go with their heart when they bet. Again, the goal of the sports book is to have the money evenly divided between both sides of the game. They then make their money on the vig, or the 10% they charge you to make a bet. Therefore, according to those who do this as a business, and are on the cutting edge of the statistics game, Seattle at home this week is a 6.5 stronger play than the Cards. You don't agree with them & thats fine. I happen to think that Seattle will cover the number although I look for that line to shift towards Az as the money comes in on them. Rarely do you see a line move more than 3 points, but in this case, it just might happen. I plan om betting at the last minute to get the most value since I think that the line will move down a point or 2.

[Futureite]

Thanks for the explanation Vegas. I honestly do not understand betting. Hell, my friends can't even seem to teach me card games. My general understanding was that odds makers put the lines out based upon how the general public will bet. If I understood it correctly, your explanation more or less stated that.

[Hawktown]

Thanks for the explanation Vegas. I honestly do not understand betting. Hell, my friends can't even seem to teach me card games. My general understanding was that odds makers put the lines out based upon how the general public will bet. If I understood it correctly, your explanation more or less stated that.

With the nonsense you spew around here, I am not at all surprised at what is underlined in bold above.

[Vegaseahawk]

Surprisingly, the game got bet up to Sea -7 at kickoff.

[Hawk Sista]

Looks like -16 was the number. Damn! We missed it.